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Read " the True Believer " by Hoffer....the classic on mass movements.

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check out the bookstore section at www.rational.org

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Try this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups?edit=1

and this is specifically for 12sf:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free

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Try this:

http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups?edit=1

and this is specifically for 12sf:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/12-step-free

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groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address.

Jan

how can I change my options so that my mailbox is not so crowded...How do I get to the membership page?

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groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address.

Jan

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groups.yahoo.com - click on My Groups - click on 12 step free. That's one way. Get there - bookmark it - or memorize address.

Jan

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I keep saying it over and over I know but keep reading reading reading.

If you are going to drink again you are going to need every possible tool

to counter the brainwashing that the cult has done.

I know, been there , done that. The good news it is possible to get

through all the brainwashing about drinking *but* you do need to be aware

of how very powerful the brainwashing is.

All I can tell you is that everything that you have been conditioned to

believe in AA is false.

I have found this list to be a lifesaver, especially after I resumed

drinking. It is really scary to take the risk and being able to vent here

has been an enormous help.

kisses

Tom Boy

who is really looking forward to the holiday season. Can you believe that

I have *never* in my life had dessert with alcohol in it? I have never

had one of those chocolates with liquor in it? Never have even had cough

syrup with alcohol in it?

At 07:01 PM 03/12/01 +0000, you wrote:

Hey folks,

I was in the Pacific Group. If you're gonna be in AA it's kinda of a

fun place to be. They do alot of stuff-parties, BBQ's, dances. I was

reading an article in the LA Times about people who leave the Mormons

in Utah--leaving PG feels kinda like that. You're life is

kinda--poof!

I'm definitely gonna have spiked eggnog this holiday season, but I am

worried that as soon as the liquor goes down my throat all the

brainwashing about what a fuck up I am will come back to me. I want to

drink and not have it drag me back into aa. I'm gonna pick up that

book on cult deprogramming to counter some of that stuff in my

head.

ki

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Hey Ki, Enioy the eggnog. Have 6 for me! You don't have to live on AA guilt trips. It's your choice, live like normal folk, or hold on to the AA apron strings. Can you imagine how many steppers will be sittin around over the holidays, chompin at the bit to join in and be a "REAL" person, but AA has them so fucked up, many may just take the gas pipe because of it. We never hear about those who do, only their Sponsors know for sure. Happy Holidays and enjoy yourself responsibly. I'll be doin my O'Doule's cause I over marinated my own Liver thru the years... so I settle for near beer!!!! AA'ers Love to hear that!!!! Jim (unknown) Hey folks,I was in the Pacific Group. If you're gonna be in AA it's kinda of afun place to be. They do alot of stuff-parties, BBQ's, dances. I wasreading an article in the LA Times about people who leave the Mormonsin Utah--leaving PG feels kinda like that. You're life is kinda--poof!I'm definitely gonna have spiked eggnog this holiday season, but I amworried that as soon as the liquor goes down my throat all thebrainwashing about what a fuck up I am will come back to me. I want todrink and not have it drag me back into aa. I'm gonna pick up thatbook on cult deprogramming to counter some of that stuff in my head.ki

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" A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product--------------------------------------------

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" A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product--------------------------------------------

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" A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams!" That is nothing more than a subliminal message from the spirit of "Bill W" telling the steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to "DRINK THE KOOL-AID" (unknown) I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.--.:: powered by http://skim.com ::.____________________________________________skim.com - where your shirt is your address..fashion.meets.function.meets.communication..our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product--------------------------------------------

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Hi Jim

What is KOOL-AID

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> " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal

message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's

coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID "

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> I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be

venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some

of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that

could work for them as they were so messed up.

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> They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant

nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the

thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a

horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than

they dare hope for.

>

> The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or

abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK

for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are

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Hi Jim

What is KOOL-AID

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> " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal

message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's

coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID "

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> I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be

venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some

of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that

could work for them as they were so messed up.

>

> They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant

nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the

thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a

horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than

they dare hope for.

>

> The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or

abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK

for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are

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Hi Jim

What is KOOL-AID

Re: (unknown)

> " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more than a subliminal

message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the steppers that one day he's

coming down (or up) from the great beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID "

>

> (unknown)

>

> I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be

venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some

of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that

could work for them as they were so messed up.

>

> They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant

nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the

thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a

horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than

they dare hope for.

>

> The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or

abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK

for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are

non AA alternatives.

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itsa reference to the poisoned fruit drink that the jim jones cult

drank to commmit nass suicide. people reference it to

empahise the power of a cult of personality.

> Hi Jim

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> What is KOOL-AID

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> Re: (unknown)

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> > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more

than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the

steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great

beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID "

> >

> > (unknown)

> >

> > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully

expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I

cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my

groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for

them as they were so messed up.

> >

> > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams.

For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with

mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a

life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place,

but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare

hope for.

> >

> > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who

could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no

alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in

a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA

alternatives.

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Thanks

Makes a change from tea i guess

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> > > " A Life Beyond Your Wildest Dreams! " That is nothing more

> than a subliminal message from the spirit of " Bill W " telling the

> steppers that one day he's coming down (or up) from the great

> beyond and order them to " DRINK THE KOOL-AID "

> > >

> > > (unknown)

> > >

> > > I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully

> expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I

> cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my

> groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for

> them as they were so messed up.

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> > > They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams.

> For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with

> mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a

> life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place,

> but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare

> hope for.

> > >

> > > The people who I do despair for are the younger people who

> could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no

> alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in

> a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA

> alternatives.

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more than you wanted to know about Kool-Aid:

http://www.userland.com/whatIsKoolAid

Kate

> Hi Jim

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> What is KOOL-AID

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[Guest guest]

,

more than you wanted to know about Kool-Aid:

http://www.userland.com/whatIsKoolAid

Kate

> Hi Jim

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> What is KOOL-AID

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[Guest guest]

This site says it is a " legend " that the Peoples' Temple killed

themselves with laced kool-aid; itisnt a legend, it's a fact. Many

however were forced at gunpoint to do so; those who tried to run away

were shot.

P.

> > Hi Jim

> >

> > What is KOOL-AID

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> >

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[Guest guest]

This site says it is a " legend " that the Peoples' Temple killed

themselves with laced kool-aid; itisnt a legend, it's a fact. Many

however were forced at gunpoint to do so; those who tried to run away

were shot.

P.

> > Hi Jim

> >

> > What is KOOL-AID

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[Guest guest]

Pete, Actually, they said it was flavor-aid, generic koolaid. " Drink

the flavor-aid " just doesn't work for me, though.

> > > Hi Jim

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> > > What is KOOL-AID

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[Guest guest]

Pete, Actually, they said it was flavor-aid, generic koolaid. " Drink

the flavor-aid " just doesn't work for me, though.

> > > Hi Jim

> > >

> > > What is KOOL-AID

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Hey , KOOL-AID is a powder mix of fruit drink flavors that when added to water and sugar, provides a tasty drink for kids. Add Grain Alcohol, it's a great party drink, good for loosening up the "Babes" at Parties. Add Cyanide, like the Reverend Jim did in Ghana It shows how fucked up people in Cults are and believe anything their leader tells him,,,,, hence Bill W and his flock of steppers. All MIND CONTROL Jim (unknown)>> I have read with great enthusiasm all of your emails and fully expected to be venting my own venom against AA by now, but I cant help thinking that for some of the people who were in my groups, that AA is probably the only thing that could work for them as they were so messed up.>> They all talked of having a life beyond their wildest dreams. For me, constant nightly reincarnations of a drunken history with mountains of gratitude and the thanking AA does not resemble a life beyond my wildest dreams, it sounds a horrible dreary place, but for these poor souls maybe it is much better than they dare hope for.>> The people who I do despair for are the younger people who could moderate or abstain without all the AA baggage but no alternatives are on offer in the UK for drinkers unless you are in a real bad state and need rehab, then there are non AA alternatives.>>>>> -->>> .:: powered by http://skim.com ::.> ____________________________________________> skim.com - where your shirt is your address.>> .fashion.meets.function.meets.communication.> .our.collections.at: http://skim.com/product> -------------------------------------------->>>>>>>>

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" Generic " kool-aid??? FDA licensed maybe?

P.

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