RE: Re: Support group in Australia

[Guest guest]

Hey Jody,

I'm not sure about this but if PTU works by slowing down the thyroid its

probably going to slow down everything as well. Love those unintended effects.

Since I'm really new at this I could be VERY wrong. Might need to try to look

it up but all my resources are way way old. Like fifteen years ago old. I

think we need a pharmacist on this list! But hey, we have Elaine and that's

probably better.

I'll bet that there are some foods that are more likely to make this happen as

well. There is an incredible pizza place back in Toledo, (Elaine might like

this) on Monroe street which has this great amazingly tasty everything pizza

which is guaranteed to cause immediate diarrhea in normal people. But as my

kids always said, its too good not to eat it.

Now that I think about it the problem has always been worse in my son who is six

three and weighs about a hundred and sixty pounds. His hands shake. Hmmmm. I

wonder...

Messing around with this stuff makes you paranoid doesn't it?

And if you are going to move gas from your toes the only real social problem is

that you might want to skip high tea.

Me too. LOL

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Hi Laurel,

I'm not on PTU for hyper, but for my eyes, and I don't have any

constipation. My bowels actually work very well...but thinking back to this

bloating and sometimes very painful gas, I never had it before taking the

PTU. And oh Lordy, when I sit in a certain position I can make the bloat

move, and then this horrid, loud belch comes up from the bottom of my feet

it seems...first time it scared me and hubby both LOL...now it happens

almost daily, but it does bring relief.

Jody

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Hey Sue,

The DAAS were actually breaking up when my daughter was in Sidney. She made it

for their very last show. Had a tremendous time and brought back tapes (in the

wrong format) that she had to beg a local company to transfer which they did

after swearing her to a blood oath that she would never ever have them copied.

I will tell her that the guys still show up once in a while. She had the hugest

crush on and went about calling herself the Empress Tangarawara (did I

spell that right?) for the longest time. (The world's best kisser?)

Thanks for the update. I will be sure to let her know.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

THanks Fay. I actually haven't taken anything for a while as I noticed

iodine in my vitamins. I am off into town today so will get some.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of Philip Day? I heard him speak

whilst here in a Australia. His book Health Wars is very interesting.

Thanks again

Sue

PS Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug Allstars', but they no

longer exsist. The memebers have gone onto different shows. You see them

pop up every now and then. LOL

At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>

>

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

><> writes:

>>

>Sincstarting the

>> ATD I

>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>

>uncomfortable.

>> I have a runny nose

>> and

>> Will I be more likely to

>catch everything going around

>>

>

> Here's something to consider: A

>homeopath I know suggested taking high

> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

> started treatment. I think I kept

>it up for about a half a year or so.

>

> I just realized something: thanks

>to all of you participating from

> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>no matter what time of day!

>

> Take care, Fay

> ________________________________________________________________

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[Guest guest]

Ok this explains why the serotonin reuptake inhibitors cause constipation.

Prozac, Paxil etc ad nauseam. Literally. But if people with thyroid problems

(or those with IBS) have a problem with the receptors does this tend to make the

problem better or worse?

Just curious.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Jody, your description of your belch just make me burst into hysterics here at

work! LOL Made my day!

Regarding ATD's and reflux/heartburn...Tap most definately gave me reflux and

heartburn.

Whomever mentioned IBS....the latest studies done on IBS focus more on the

brain/gut connection and they are honing in on seratonin's role in the IBS

puzzle. I was labeled with IBS many years ago, however now that my thyroid

hormones have stabilized in the normal range, I'm 75% better IBS-wise.

Here's some info on the serotonin connection w/IBS: (I personally think that

perhaps a significant number of people having IBS like symptoms (diarrhea,

constipation, gas) might actually have subclinical thyroid problems - just my

two cents though)

Serotonin, or 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT), is a peptide that is found throughout

the body. Approximately 96% of serotonin is located in the gastrointestinal

tract, 2% in platelets, and 2% in the CNS. More than 20 types of serotonin

receptors at various locations in the human body have been described, but the

receptors that seem to be most important in the gastrointestinal tract in

general and in IBS in particular are the 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 receptors.

Because the structure of the receptor determines the function of the peptide,

serotonin has slightly different functions when paired with each different

receptor. Generally, these receptors are involved in controlling the motility of

and secretions in the gut and the perception of abdominal pain. Typically, 5-HT3

and 5-HT4 receptor agonists promote motility and the antagonists decrease

motility. Although the exact mechanism is not known, these receptors do not

function properly in IBS.

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[Guest guest]

Ok this explains why the serotonin reuptake inhibitors cause constipation.

Prozac, Paxil etc ad nauseam. Literally. But if people with thyroid problems

(or those with IBS) have a problem with the receptors does this tend to make the

problem better or worse?

Just curious.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Jody, your description of your belch just make me burst into hysterics here at

work! LOL Made my day!

Regarding ATD's and reflux/heartburn...Tap most definately gave me reflux and

heartburn.

Whomever mentioned IBS....the latest studies done on IBS focus more on the

brain/gut connection and they are honing in on seratonin's role in the IBS

puzzle. I was labeled with IBS many years ago, however now that my thyroid

hormones have stabilized in the normal range, I'm 75% better IBS-wise.

Here's some info on the serotonin connection w/IBS: (I personally think that

perhaps a significant number of people having IBS like symptoms (diarrhea,

constipation, gas) might actually have subclinical thyroid problems - just my

two cents though)

Serotonin, or 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT), is a peptide that is found throughout

the body. Approximately 96% of serotonin is located in the gastrointestinal

tract, 2% in platelets, and 2% in the CNS. More than 20 types of serotonin

receptors at various locations in the human body have been described, but the

receptors that seem to be most important in the gastrointestinal tract in

general and in IBS in particular are the 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 receptors.

Because the structure of the receptor determines the function of the peptide,

serotonin has slightly different functions when paired with each different

receptor. Generally, these receptors are involved in controlling the motility of

and secretions in the gut and the perception of abdominal pain. Typically, 5-HT3

and 5-HT4 receptor agonists promote motility and the antagonists decrease

motility. Although the exact mechanism is not known, these receptors do not

function properly in IBS.

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[Guest guest]

Ok this explains why the serotonin reuptake inhibitors cause constipation.

Prozac, Paxil etc ad nauseam. Literally. But if people with thyroid problems

(or those with IBS) have a problem with the receptors does this tend to make the

problem better or worse?

Just curious.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Jody, your description of your belch just make me burst into hysterics here at

work! LOL Made my day!

Regarding ATD's and reflux/heartburn...Tap most definately gave me reflux and

heartburn.

Whomever mentioned IBS....the latest studies done on IBS focus more on the

brain/gut connection and they are honing in on seratonin's role in the IBS

puzzle. I was labeled with IBS many years ago, however now that my thyroid

hormones have stabilized in the normal range, I'm 75% better IBS-wise.

Here's some info on the serotonin connection w/IBS: (I personally think that

perhaps a significant number of people having IBS like symptoms (diarrhea,

constipation, gas) might actually have subclinical thyroid problems - just my

two cents though)

Serotonin, or 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT), is a peptide that is found throughout

the body. Approximately 96% of serotonin is located in the gastrointestinal

tract, 2% in platelets, and 2% in the CNS. More than 20 types of serotonin

receptors at various locations in the human body have been described, but the

receptors that seem to be most important in the gastrointestinal tract in

general and in IBS in particular are the 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 receptors.

Because the structure of the receptor determines the function of the peptide,

serotonin has slightly different functions when paired with each different

receptor. Generally, these receptors are involved in controlling the motility of

and secretions in the gut and the perception of abdominal pain. Typically, 5-HT3

and 5-HT4 receptor agonists promote motility and the antagonists decrease

motility. Although the exact mechanism is not known, these receptors do not

function properly in IBS.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Doris,

Glad I made you laugh <grin> Hubby says now I put him and the kids to

shame, but oh well.

Fired endo number 2 told me that seratonin also plays a role in graves

disease, but since I was 2 1/2 years into my being left hypO, I don't

remember much about it, except that seratonin (lack or overload?) is

affected, or we are affected by it. That is why he prescribed prozac for

me, that drug relates (stimulates I believe) seratonin to help with wait

loss in thyroid patients...what he DIDN'T say, was anything you lose in the

first few weeks comes back and then some while on it. I didn't stay on it

long, it really made me feel terrible.

Something else to think about, especially for those who get flu vaccines

regularly, Dr. Wakefield has linked IBS and something else with the

gut to the MMR vaccine, as well as with autism. Gee lets keep shooting

those *preventative* toxic laden vaccines into our bodies and the bodies of

our babies.

TTYL

Jody

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Well if it is she liked ( McDermott) he was hosting a show until

last year on a major TV network. I don't know if the show is returning

this year. I have to admit he is a very funny man.

Sue

At 04:40 PM 21/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> Hey Sue,

>

>

>

> (The world's best kisser?)

>

> I will be sur

>

>e et her know.

> Laurel

>

> Re: Re:

>Support

>group in Australia

>

> I actually haven't taken anything for a

>while as I

>noticed

> I am off into town today so will get some.

> I

>heard him

>speak

> His book Health Wars is very interesting.

> Thanks

>again

> Sue

>

>

> Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug

>Allstars', but they no

> You see them

> pop up every now and then. LOL

>

> At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

>><> writes:

>>>

>>Sincstarting the

>>> ATD I

>>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>>

>>uncomfortable.

>>> I have a runny nose

>>> and

>>> Will I be more likely to

>>catch everything going around

>>>

>>

>> Here's something to consider: A

>>homeopath I know suggested taking high

>> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

>> started treatment. I think I kept

>>it up for about a half a year or so.

>>

>> I just realized something: thanks

>>to all of you participating from

>> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>>no matter what time of day!

>>

>> Take care, Fay

>> ________________________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Well if it is she liked ( McDermott) he was hosting a show until

last year on a major TV network. I don't know if the show is returning

this year. I have to admit he is a very funny man.

Sue

At 04:40 PM 21/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> Hey Sue,

>

>

>

> (The world's best kisser?)

>

> I will be sur

>

>e et her know.

> Laurel

>

> Re: Re:

>Support

>group in Australia

>

> I actually haven't taken anything for a

>while as I

>noticed

> I am off into town today so will get some.

> I

>heard him

>speak

> His book Health Wars is very interesting.

> Thanks

>again

> Sue

>

>

> Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug

>Allstars', but they no

> You see them

> pop up every now and then. LOL

>

> At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

>><> writes:

>>>

>>Sincstarting the

>>> ATD I

>>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>>

>>uncomfortable.

>>> I have a runny nose

>>> and

>>> Will I be more likely to

>>catch everything going around

>>>

>>

>> Here's something to consider: A

>>homeopath I know suggested taking high

>> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

>> started treatment. I think I kept

>>it up for about a half a year or so.

>>

>> I just realized something: thanks

>>to all of you participating from

>> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>>no matter what time of day!

>>

>> Take care, Fay

>> ________________________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes. McDermott. And in the States we don't have the luxury of such great

stuff like McDermott, or Tim Tams (yep we can all do the slammer) or any of

the million other things that are so wonderful about Australia.

I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

Thanks Sue

Laurel

Re: Re:

>Support

>group in Australia

>

> I actually haven't taken anything for a

>while as I

>noticed

> I am off into town today so will get some.

> I

>heard him

>speak

> His book Health Wars is very interesting.

> Thanks

>again

> Sue

>

>

> Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug

>Allstars', but they no

> You see them

> pop up every now and then. LOL

>

> At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

>><> writes:

>>>

>>Sincstarting the

>>> ATD I

>>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>>

>>uncomfortable.

>>> I have a runny nose

>>> and

>>> Will I be more likely to

>>catch everything going around

>>>

>>

>> Here's something to consider: A

>>homeopath I know suggested taking high

>> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

>> started treatment. I think I kept

>>it up for about a half a year or so.

>>

>> I just realized something: thanks

>>to all of you participating from

>> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>>no matter what time of day!

>>

>> Take care, Fay

>> ________________________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes. McDermott. And in the States we don't have the luxury of such great

stuff like McDermott, or Tim Tams (yep we can all do the slammer) or any of

the million other things that are so wonderful about Australia.

I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

Thanks Sue

Laurel

Re: Re:

>Support

>group in Australia

>

> I actually haven't taken anything for a

>while as I

>noticed

> I am off into town today so will get some.

> I

>heard him

>speak

> His book Health Wars is very interesting.

> Thanks

>again

> Sue

>

>

> Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug

>Allstars', but they no

> You see them

> pop up every now and then. LOL

>

> At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

>><> writes:

>>>

>>Sincstarting the

>>> ATD I

>>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>>

>>uncomfortable.

>>> I have a runny nose

>>> and

>>> Will I be more likely to

>>catch everything going around

>>>

>>

>> Here's something to consider: A

>>homeopath I know suggested taking high

>> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

>> started treatment. I think I kept

>>it up for about a half a year or so.

>>

>> I just realized something: thanks

>>to all of you participating from

>> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>>no matter what time of day!

>>

>> Take care, Fay

>> ________________________________________________________________

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

luxury of making choices.

Nice chatting

Sue

At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

> Tha

>

>nke

> Laurel

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

luxury of making choices.

Nice chatting

Sue

At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

> Tha

>

>nke

> Laurel

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

luxury of making choices.

Nice chatting

Sue

At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

> Tha

>

>nke

> Laurel

>

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sue,

I know this is off topic and not what the list is for but, hey. It turns out

that she was at the last broadcast of 's last show of the season when she

was there. So she knew about the show and the cancellation. I guess she keeps

up by email with her mates in the WA. But the trip to Sidney was the most

exciting thing about the entire experience and that's saying some because she

actually also went to Queensland and jumped out of an airplane (Described in the

certificate as " a perfectly good aeroplane. " )

And the truth be told she believes that Australia is heaven. Wants to live

there. That's just what you guys need right? A bunch of Yanks messing things

up.

And you are right. Our health care system sucks. I can say that cause, among

other absurd things, I'm a nurse. And any time you want to trade Sydney for

Niagara Falls its fine with me.

Thanks for the smile,

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

luxury of making choices.

Nice chatting

Sue

At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

> Tha

>

>nke

> Laurel

>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Sue,

I know this is off topic and not what the list is for but, hey. It turns out

that she was at the last broadcast of 's last show of the season when she

was there. So she knew about the show and the cancellation. I guess she keeps

up by email with her mates in the WA. But the trip to Sidney was the most

exciting thing about the entire experience and that's saying some because she

actually also went to Queensland and jumped out of an airplane (Described in the

certificate as " a perfectly good aeroplane. " )

And the truth be told she believes that Australia is heaven. Wants to live

there. That's just what you guys need right? A bunch of Yanks messing things

up.

And you are right. Our health care system sucks. I can say that cause, among

other absurd things, I'm a nurse. And any time you want to trade Sydney for

Niagara Falls its fine with me.

Thanks for the smile,

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

luxury of making choices.

Nice chatting

Sue

At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>

>

> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

> Tha

>

>nke

> Laurel

>

>>

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[Guest guest]

Doris,

Sorry if I already answered you but I've been spending way too many hours on

this machine and my brain is fried.

I know a lot of people with symptoms of IBS. In fact one young man who is a

close friend is hyperactive and nervous as hell and its his primary symptom. I

didn't know that there were more than one type of IBS.

I'm beginning to think that, just maybe, a lot of " anxiety " disorders are

autoimmune in nature. I guess I think first about brains because that is/was my

major. But if the receptors for serotonin are mostly in the gut then its going

to be connected directly to what the synapses are doing in the head as well.

Unless you happen to have a receptor problem. Does that make sense? Perhaps if

you do you get used to a higher than normal amount of serotonin in your body.

What I don't quite get yet is why the manufactured drugs cause such terrible

constipation in most people and you are talking about diarrhea. Has to do with

the receptor sites (and probably a lot of other factors as well)

The other weird thing I'm wondering is that some of us are using evening

primrose to help the absorbtion of cytomel (the T3 stuff). I read the back of

the bottle and it says that GLA, the active ingredient, is a precursor to

prostaglandins. Ok. Prostaglandins are what aid uterine contractions when one

is in labor or having a miscarriage. I'll have to do some homework but I'm

thinking that alone could explain some stuff. Like what else does

prostaglandins do.

Thanks for the input. and the ear. I just like to try to figure this stuff

out.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Laurel, I can only answer with what my experience has been. I was an IBS - D

type (diarrhea predominant) and I can tell you that SSRI's give me terrible,

awful, horrible diarrhea.

From what I'm gathering off of the IBS bb that I frequent, it's these faulty

receptors that make IBS worse/symptomatic.

Doris

[Guest guest]

Doris,

Sorry if I already answered you but I've been spending way too many hours on

this machine and my brain is fried.

I know a lot of people with symptoms of IBS. In fact one young man who is a

close friend is hyperactive and nervous as hell and its his primary symptom. I

didn't know that there were more than one type of IBS.

I'm beginning to think that, just maybe, a lot of " anxiety " disorders are

autoimmune in nature. I guess I think first about brains because that is/was my

major. But if the receptors for serotonin are mostly in the gut then its going

to be connected directly to what the synapses are doing in the head as well.

Unless you happen to have a receptor problem. Does that make sense? Perhaps if

you do you get used to a higher than normal amount of serotonin in your body.

What I don't quite get yet is why the manufactured drugs cause such terrible

constipation in most people and you are talking about diarrhea. Has to do with

the receptor sites (and probably a lot of other factors as well)

The other weird thing I'm wondering is that some of us are using evening

primrose to help the absorbtion of cytomel (the T3 stuff). I read the back of

the bottle and it says that GLA, the active ingredient, is a precursor to

prostaglandins. Ok. Prostaglandins are what aid uterine contractions when one

is in labor or having a miscarriage. I'll have to do some homework but I'm

thinking that alone could explain some stuff. Like what else does

prostaglandins do.

Thanks for the input. and the ear. I just like to try to figure this stuff

out.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Laurel, I can only answer with what my experience has been. I was an IBS - D

type (diarrhea predominant) and I can tell you that SSRI's give me terrible,

awful, horrible diarrhea.

From what I'm gathering off of the IBS bb that I frequent, it's these faulty

receptors that make IBS worse/symptomatic.

Doris

[Guest guest]

Doris,

Sorry if I already answered you but I've been spending way too many hours on

this machine and my brain is fried.

I know a lot of people with symptoms of IBS. In fact one young man who is a

close friend is hyperactive and nervous as hell and its his primary symptom. I

didn't know that there were more than one type of IBS.

I'm beginning to think that, just maybe, a lot of " anxiety " disorders are

autoimmune in nature. I guess I think first about brains because that is/was my

major. But if the receptors for serotonin are mostly in the gut then its going

to be connected directly to what the synapses are doing in the head as well.

Unless you happen to have a receptor problem. Does that make sense? Perhaps if

you do you get used to a higher than normal amount of serotonin in your body.

What I don't quite get yet is why the manufactured drugs cause such terrible

constipation in most people and you are talking about diarrhea. Has to do with

the receptor sites (and probably a lot of other factors as well)

The other weird thing I'm wondering is that some of us are using evening

primrose to help the absorbtion of cytomel (the T3 stuff). I read the back of

the bottle and it says that GLA, the active ingredient, is a precursor to

prostaglandins. Ok. Prostaglandins are what aid uterine contractions when one

is in labor or having a miscarriage. I'll have to do some homework but I'm

thinking that alone could explain some stuff. Like what else does

prostaglandins do.

Thanks for the input. and the ear. I just like to try to figure this stuff

out.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

Laurel, I can only answer with what my experience has been. I was an IBS - D

type (diarrhea predominant) and I can tell you that SSRI's give me terrible,

awful, horrible diarrhea.

From what I'm gathering off of the IBS bb that I frequent, it's these faulty

receptors that make IBS worse/symptomatic.

Doris

[Guest guest]

Sue,

How does yours work?

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:59:25 +1100

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Re: Support group in Australia

>

> Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

> major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

>

> Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

> the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

> your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

> from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

> luxury of making choices.

>

> Nice chatting

> Sue

>

> At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

>> Tha

>>

>> nke

>> Laurel

>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sue,

How does yours work?

Terry

>

> Reply-To: graves_support

> Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:59:25 +1100

> To: graves_support

> Subject: Re: Re: Support group in Australia

>

> Oh goodness didn't want to make her weep. <grin> He is still apart of a

> major TV station here, so I'm sure he will still pop up from time to time.

>

> Yes Australia has a load of wonderful things, but hey, we all want to visit

> the USA because we think you lot have it all. <grin> However saying that,

> your health system is a bit daunting. I don't really understand it, but

> from what I gather it can cost you a fortune, and you don't always have the

> luxury of making choices.

>

> Nice chatting

> Sue

>

> At 04:49 PM 22/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>

>> I'll tell her about the show but she will probably weep.

>> Tha

>>

>> nke

>> Laurel

>>

>>>

>

>

>

>

> -------------------------------------

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> intended to replace expert medical care.

> Please consult your doctor before changing or trying new treatments.

> ----------------------------------------

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>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry

We have the Medicare system. In fact I have a brochure here in front of me

and this is what it says:

Medicare ensures that all Australians have access to free or low-cost

medical, optometrical and hospital care while being free to choose private

health services.

Medicare provides:

* free treatment as a public (Medicare) patient in a public hospital; and

* free or subsidised treatment by doctors, including specialists,

participating optometrists and dentists (for specified services only).

Australia's public hospital system is jointly funded by the Commonwealth

and State/Territory Governments and is administered by State and Territory

health departments.

Out of hospital services

Medicare provides benefits for:

* consultation fees for doctors, including specialists;

* tests and examinations by doctors needed to treat illnesses, including

x-rays and pathology tests;

* eye tests performed by optometrists;

* most surgical procedures performed by approved dentists;and

* specified items under the Cleft Lip and Palate Scheme

Whats not covered by Medicare:

* private patient hospital costs (eg theatre fees or accomodation)

* dental examinations and treatment

* ambulance services

* home nursing

* physiotherapy, occupational therapy, speech pathology, eye therapy,

chiropractic services, podiatry and psychology;

* acupuncture (unless part of a doctor's consultation)

* glasses and contact lenses;

* hearing aids and other appliances;

* the costs of prostheses;

* medicines (except for the subsidy on medicines covered by the PBS - Pay

Back System);

* medical and hospital costs incured overseas;

* medical costs for which someone else is responsible(eg. a compensation

insurer, an employer,a government or government authority);

* medical services which are not clinically necessary;

* surgery solely for cosmetic reasons; and

* examinations for life insurance, sperannuation or membership of a

friendly society.

These services may be covered by private health insurance.

In the area I live we ONLY have public hospitals. So to have private

hospital cover in our area is not worth it. However I do have private

health cover have been paying it for years and (fingers crossed) have never

had to use it. I might add here, if you arrive at a public hospital and you

are a emergency you get the immediate treatment to save you life and this

does not cost you. It is covered by Medicare. The thing is you have the

doctors that are there, not your regular doctor. But hey, if your life

was in the balance, I'd want whoever was there! <grin>

Hope this explains it in full. Now its your turn, I'd truly like to hear

about your health system.

Sue

Terry wrote:

> Sue,

>

> How does yours work?

>

> Terry

>

>><>

[Guest guest]

Hi Terry

We have the Medicare system. In fact I have a brochure here in front of me

and this is what it says:

Medicare ensures that all Australians have access to free or low-cost

medical, optometrical and hospital care while being free to choose private

health services.

Medicare provides:

* free treatment as a public (Medicare) patient in a public hospital; and

* free or subsidised treatment by doctors, including specialists,

participating optometrists and dentists (for specified services only).

Australia's public hospital system is jointly funded by the Commonwealth

and State/Territory Governments and is administered by State and Territory

health departments.

Out of hospital services

Medicare provides benefits for:

* consultation fees for doctors, including specialists;

* tests and examinations by doctors needed to treat illnesses, including

x-rays and pathology tests;

* eye tests performed by optometrists;

* most surgical procedures performed by approved dentists;and

* specified items under the Cleft Lip and Palate Scheme

Whats not covered by Medicare:

* private patient hospital costs (eg theatre fees or accomodation)

* dental examinations and treatment

* ambulance services

* home nursing

* physiotherapy, occupational therapy, speech pathology, eye therapy,

chiropractic services, podiatry and psychology;

* acupuncture (unless part of a doctor's consultation)

* glasses and contact lenses;

* hearing aids and other appliances;

* the costs of prostheses;

* medicines (except for the subsidy on medicines covered by the PBS - Pay

Back System);

* medical and hospital costs incured overseas;

* medical costs for which someone else is responsible(eg. a compensation

insurer, an employer,a government or government authority);

* medical services which are not clinically necessary;

* surgery solely for cosmetic reasons; and

* examinations for life insurance, sperannuation or membership of a

friendly society.

These services may be covered by private health insurance.

In the area I live we ONLY have public hospitals. So to have private

hospital cover in our area is not worth it. However I do have private

health cover have been paying it for years and (fingers crossed) have never

had to use it. I might add here, if you arrive at a public hospital and you

are a emergency you get the immediate treatment to save you life and this

does not cost you. It is covered by Medicare. The thing is you have the

doctors that are there, not your regular doctor. But hey, if your life

was in the balance, I'd want whoever was there! <grin>

Hope this explains it in full. Now its your turn, I'd truly like to hear

about your health system.

Sue

Terry wrote:

> Sue,

>

> How does yours work?

>

> Terry

>

>><>

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

What kind of prescription coverage do you have? What are the cost of drugs

over there...I know our thyroid drugs are not that expensive but am

wondering about others.

Thanks for sharing this, I find it really interesting. For us, hubby

carries insurance through work that covers most things. In hospital is

covered at 100%, doctor appts. $15.00 co-pay, labs - $10.00 co-pay, ER

service if not admitted is a $50.00 co-pay, X-rays - $15.00 co-pay.

Prescriptions: generic, $15.00 co-pay

name brand $30.00 co-pay

These are for 3 month supplies by mail...to fill locally it is $20.00 month

regardless of generic or name brand...including my thyroid meds which

altogether run about $17.00 for 4 of them...so I get them filled at a

different pharmacy and tell them I have no insurance. This is a cheat on

the system in my opinion.

We are fortunate in that my husband is considered an *old-timer* where he

works so right now we do not pay for our insurance. Anyone else hired there

in the last 5 years pays $10.00 a week single and $20.00 a week family and

our deductible is $1200.00 family, $600.00 single. This is paid out of

pocket before our major med kicks in. My doctors are all in our plan so it

makes it easy, if they weren't, I would have to pay everything out of pocket

and wait for the insurance company to reimburse me.

That is our policy for now, when hubby retires, we will carry a portion of

what we have no, plus our medicare, which, at this time, I know nothing

about.

There are so many different ways insurances run in this country, no one

could ever keep track of them! Hope this gives you an idea of one kind of

policy here...others have different coverage and most pay astronomical

monthly fees for their coverage.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

What kind of prescription coverage do you have? What are the cost of drugs

over there...I know our thyroid drugs are not that expensive but am

wondering about others.

Thanks for sharing this, I find it really interesting. For us, hubby

carries insurance through work that covers most things. In hospital is

covered at 100%, doctor appts. $15.00 co-pay, labs - $10.00 co-pay, ER

service if not admitted is a $50.00 co-pay, X-rays - $15.00 co-pay.

Prescriptions: generic, $15.00 co-pay

name brand $30.00 co-pay

These are for 3 month supplies by mail...to fill locally it is $20.00 month

regardless of generic or name brand...including my thyroid meds which

altogether run about $17.00 for 4 of them...so I get them filled at a

different pharmacy and tell them I have no insurance. This is a cheat on

the system in my opinion.

We are fortunate in that my husband is considered an *old-timer* where he

works so right now we do not pay for our insurance. Anyone else hired there

in the last 5 years pays $10.00 a week single and $20.00 a week family and

our deductible is $1200.00 family, $600.00 single. This is paid out of

pocket before our major med kicks in. My doctors are all in our plan so it

makes it easy, if they weren't, I would have to pay everything out of pocket

and wait for the insurance company to reimburse me.

That is our policy for now, when hubby retires, we will carry a portion of

what we have no, plus our medicare, which, at this time, I know nothing

about.

There are so many different ways insurances run in this country, no one

could ever keep track of them! Hope this gives you an idea of one kind of

policy here...others have different coverage and most pay astronomical

monthly fees for their coverage.

Jody

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sue,

What kind of prescription coverage do you have? What are the cost of drugs

over there...I know our thyroid drugs are not that expensive but am

wondering about others.

Thanks for sharing this, I find it really interesting. For us, hubby

carries insurance through work that covers most things. In hospital is

covered at 100%, doctor appts. $15.00 co-pay, labs - $10.00 co-pay, ER

service if not admitted is a $50.00 co-pay, X-rays - $15.00 co-pay.

Prescriptions: generic, $15.00 co-pay

name brand $30.00 co-pay

These are for 3 month supplies by mail...to fill locally it is $20.00 month

regardless of generic or name brand...including my thyroid meds which

altogether run about $17.00 for 4 of them...so I get them filled at a

different pharmacy and tell them I have no insurance. This is a cheat on

the system in my opinion.

We are fortunate in that my husband is considered an *old-timer* where he

works so right now we do not pay for our insurance. Anyone else hired there

in the last 5 years pays $10.00 a week single and $20.00 a week family and

our deductible is $1200.00 family, $600.00 single. This is paid out of

pocket before our major med kicks in. My doctors are all in our plan so it

makes it easy, if they weren't, I would have to pay everything out of pocket

and wait for the insurance company to reimburse me.

That is our policy for now, when hubby retires, we will carry a portion of

what we have no, plus our medicare, which, at this time, I know nothing

about.

There are so many different ways insurances run in this country, no one

could ever keep track of them! Hope this gives you an idea of one kind of

policy here...others have different coverage and most pay astronomical

monthly fees for their coverage.

Jody

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