RE: Re: Support group in Australia

February 21, 2002

Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the ATD I

have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

uncomfortable.

I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose and

sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around now?

Sue

en wrote:

> Dawn, I also have

>terrible stomach trouble. Dreadful waves of

> nausea.....like bad bad

>morning sickness....and pain too. My

> specialist has told me it means my

>bowel (or was it stomach) is hyper-

> active. I've only been back on propylthiouracil for just over a week,

> and am hoping it will kick in shortly and stop it.

> en.

February 21, 2002

Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the ATD I

have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

uncomfortable.

I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose and

sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around now?

Sue

en wrote:

> Dawn, I also have

>terrible stomach trouble. Dreadful waves of

> nausea.....like bad bad

>morning sickness....and pain too. My

> specialist has told me it means my

>bowel (or was it stomach) is hyper-

> active. I've only been back on propylthiouracil for just over a week,

> and am hoping it will kick in shortly and stop it.

> en.

February 21, 2002

Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the ATD I

have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

uncomfortable.

I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose and

sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around now?

Sue

en wrote:

> Dawn, I also have

>terrible stomach trouble. Dreadful waves of

> nausea.....like bad bad

>morning sickness....and pain too. My

> specialist has told me it means my

>bowel (or was it stomach) is hyper-

> active. I've only been back on propylthiouracil for just over a week,

> and am hoping it will kick in shortly and stop it.

> en.

February 21, 2002

I have a question regarding the use of vitamins... especially after I saw

Fay that you were taking 2000 mg /day vitamin C. Can the body actually

absorb large amounts of vitamins like that ? I had always thought that a

persons body can only absorb certain amounts of different vitamins... after

that the body just excretes it along with anything else that it can't use.

Are the vitamin companies tricking us into believing that we need large

amounts like this when really we can't absorb that much in one go ? Can

anyone enlighten me on this ?

Thanks,

Kate.

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

I have a question regarding the use of vitamins... especially after I saw

Fay that you were taking 2000 mg /day vitamin C. Can the body actually

absorb large amounts of vitamins like that ? I had always thought that a

persons body can only absorb certain amounts of different vitamins... after

that the body just excretes it along with anything else that it can't use.

Are the vitamin companies tricking us into believing that we need large

amounts like this when really we can't absorb that much in one go ? Can

anyone enlighten me on this ?

Thanks,

Kate.

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

I have a question regarding the use of vitamins... especially after I saw

Fay that you were taking 2000 mg /day vitamin C. Can the body actually

absorb large amounts of vitamins like that ? I had always thought that a

persons body can only absorb certain amounts of different vitamins... after

that the body just excretes it along with anything else that it can't use.

Are the vitamin companies tricking us into believing that we need large

amounts like this when really we can't absorb that much in one go ? Can

anyone enlighten me on this ?

Thanks,

Kate.

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

Jody, your description of your belch just make me burst into hysterics here at

work! LOL Made my day!

Regarding ATD's and reflux/heartburn...Tap most definately gave me reflux and

heartburn.

Whomever mentioned IBS....the latest studies done on IBS focus more on the

brain/gut connection and they are honing in on seratonin's role in the IBS

puzzle. I was labeled with IBS many years ago, however now that my thyroid

hormones have stabilized in the normal range, I'm 75% better IBS-wise.

Here's some info on the serotonin connection w/IBS: (I personally think that

perhaps a significant number of people having IBS like symptoms (diarrhea,

constipation, gas) might actually have subclinical thyroid problems - just my

two cents though)

Serotonin, or 5-hydroxytryptamine (5-HT), is a peptide that is found throughout

the body. Approximately 96% of serotonin is located in the gastrointestinal

tract, 2% in platelets, and 2% in the CNS. More than 20 types of serotonin

receptors at various locations in the human body have been described, but the

receptors that seem to be most important in the gastrointestinal tract in

general and in IBS in particular are the 5-HT3 and 5-HT4 receptors.

Because the structure of the receptor determines the function of the peptide,

serotonin has slightly different functions when paired with each different

receptor. Generally, these receptors are involved in controlling the motility of

and secretions in the gut and the perception of abdominal pain. Typically, 5-HT3

and 5-HT4 receptor agonists promote motility and the antagonists decrease

motility. Although the exact mechanism is not known, these receptors do not

function properly in IBS.

February 21, 2002

Hi Sue,

I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the graves eye

disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have been having

horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have never made this

connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about here...thank you for

sharing this..

The ATD's do suppress our immune systems some, the higher the dose, the more

suppression, but your dose will lower. I have to admit that one of the

*perks* for me with graves is that I am hardly every sick. I think I have

had one cold in 6 years, maybe 2, don't get the flu bugs from everyone else

around me...maybe because our immune systems work overtime. I have noticed

with the PTU I have had 2 sinus infections, but have waited them out and

they have gone away on their own.

Hang in there,

Jody

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February 21, 2002

Hi Sue,

I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the graves eye

disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have been having

horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have never made this

connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about here...thank you for

sharing this..

The ATD's do suppress our immune systems some, the higher the dose, the more

suppression, but your dose will lower. I have to admit that one of the

*perks* for me with graves is that I am hardly every sick. I think I have

had one cold in 6 years, maybe 2, don't get the flu bugs from everyone else

around me...maybe because our immune systems work overtime. I have noticed

with the PTU I have had 2 sinus infections, but have waited them out and

they have gone away on their own.

Hang in there,

Jody

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February 21, 2002

Hi Sue,

I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the graves eye

disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have been having

horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have never made this

connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about here...thank you for

sharing this..

The ATD's do suppress our immune systems some, the higher the dose, the more

suppression, but your dose will lower. I have to admit that one of the

*perks* for me with graves is that I am hardly every sick. I think I have

had one cold in 6 years, maybe 2, don't get the flu bugs from everyone else

around me...maybe because our immune systems work overtime. I have noticed

with the PTU I have had 2 sinus infections, but have waited them out and

they have gone away on their own.

Hang in there,

Jody

_________________________________________________________________

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February 21, 2002

> I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the graves eye

> disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have been having

> horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have never made this

> connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about here...thank you for

> sharing this..

Funny you should mention that. I've had this terrible feeling since about

Monday. I hesitate to call it " acid reflux " because I've only ever heard

the term used in prescription commercials. Its like a burning sensation

in my throat, and along with it is this really awful " bloated " feeling in

my chest -- like I don't have enough room to take a full breath. Last

night, I gave up and took a couple Gas-X tablets, and drank a soda.. was

feeling a bit better within an hour.

It appears to be back today (although not as bad), so here I am drinking

sodas again. I wonder if it is the PTU somehow.

--patti

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February 21, 2002

Laurel, I can only answer with what my experience has been. I was an IBS - D

type (diarrhea predominant) and I can tell you that SSRI's give me terrible,

awful, horrible diarrhea.

From what I'm gathering off of the IBS bb that I frequent, it's these faulty

receptors that make IBS worse/symptomatic.

Doris

February 21, 2002

THanks Fay. I actually haven't taken anything for a while as I noticed

iodine in my vitamins. I am off into town today so will get some.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of Philip Day? I heard him speak

whilst here in a Australia. His book Health Wars is very interesting.

Thanks again

Sue

PS Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug Allstars', but they no

longer exsist. The memebers have gone onto different shows. You see them

pop up every now and then. LOL

At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

><> writes:

>>

>Sincstarting the

>> ATD I

>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>

>uncomfortable.

>> I have a runny nose

>> and

>> Will I be more likely to

>catch everything going around

>>

>

> Here's something to consider: A

>homeopath I know suggested taking high

> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

> started treatment. I think I kept

>it up for about a half a year or so.

>

> I just realized something: thanks

>to all of you participating from

> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>no matter what time of day!

>

> Take care, Fay

> ________________________________________________________________

February 21, 2002

THanks Fay. I actually haven't taken anything for a while as I noticed

iodine in my vitamins. I am off into town today so will get some.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of Philip Day? I heard him speak

whilst here in a Australia. His book Health Wars is very interesting.

Thanks again

Sue

PS Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug Allstars', but they no

longer exsist. The memebers have gone onto different shows. You see them

pop up every now and then. LOL

At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

><> writes:

>>

>Sincstarting the

>> ATD I

>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>

>uncomfortable.

>> I have a runny nose

>> and

>> Will I be more likely to

>catch everything going around

>>

>

> Here's something to consider: A

>homeopath I know suggested taking high

> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

> started treatment. I think I kept

>it up for about a half a year or so.

>

> I just realized something: thanks

>to all of you participating from

> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>no matter what time of day!

>

> Take care, Fay

> ________________________________________________________________

February 21, 2002

THanks Fay. I actually haven't taken anything for a while as I noticed

iodine in my vitamins. I am off into town today so will get some.

I was wondering if anyone has heard of Philip Day? I heard him speak

whilst here in a Australia. His book Health Wars is very interesting.

Thanks again

Sue

PS Can't remember who mentioned the 'Doug Allstars', but they no

longer exsist. The memebers have gone onto different shows. You see them

pop up every now and then. LOL

At 08:30 PM 21/02/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>

> On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

><> writes:

>>

>Sincstarting the

>> ATD I

>> I now have bloating and it is really

>>

>uncomfortable.

>> I have a runny nose

>> and

>> Will I be more likely to

>catch everything going around

>>

>

> Here's something to consider: A

>homeopath I know suggested taking high

> doses of vitamin C (I quickly

>built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

> started treatment. I think I kept

>it up for about a half a year or so.

>

> I just realized something: thanks

>to all of you participating from

> Australia, I always seem to have mail,

>no matter what time of day!

>

> Take care, Fay

> ________________________________________________________________

February 21, 2002

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

On Thu, 21 Feb 2002 23:33:57 +1100 Sue Raccanello

writes:

> Glad that you are talking about stomach trouble. Since starting the

> ATD I

> have had a stomach in termoil. I now have bloating and it is really

> uncomfortable.

> I have also caught a bug that is going around. I have a runny nose

> and

> sore throat. Will I be more likely to catch everything going around

> now?

Here's something to consider: A homeopath I know suggested taking high

doses of vitamin C (I quickly built up to 2000-2500 mg./day) when I

started treatment. I think I kept it up for about a half a year or so.

I just realized something: thanks to all of you participating from

Australia, I always seem to have mail, no matter what time of day!

Take care, Fay

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February 21, 2002

Thank goodness I am not the only one. <grin> I am hoping like crazy that

it will settle can go away. As you say it actually is quiet painful at times.

Thanks

Sue

At 12:25 PM 21/02/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> Hi Sue,

> I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the g

>raveeye

> disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have

>been having

> horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have

>never made this

> connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about

>here...thank you for

> sharing this..

>

> The ATD's do suppress our

>immune systems some, the higher the dose, the more

> I have to admit that

>one of the

> *perks* for me with graves is that I am hardly every sick. I

>think I have

> had one cold in 6 years, maybe 2, don't get the flu bugs

>from everyone else

> I have noticed

> with the PTU I have had 2 sinus infections, but have waited them out and

> they have gone away on their own.

>

> Hang in there,

> Jody

February 21, 2002

I am wondering if the bloating/pain is connected with irritable bowel syndrome

and if that who syndrome isn't related to the hyper/hypo cycle. Isn't there

changes in the intestine lining that causes malapsorbtion of vitamins and

minerals? And the gut is smooth muscle but its still muscle and still requires

the same kind of energy. If antithyroid drugs are slowing down everything

perhaps they are slowing down your intestinal tract as well. If constipation

and all that is slowed bowel function associated with being hypo then maybe this

is what is happening. Since this is a change of function for the gut maybe it

is due to the fact that compensation has taken place and changes have been made

that are either temporary or permanent.

Does that make any sense? I just read it and I confuse myself. But it makes me

wonder how many people are less hyper than they were and how many of them are

experiencing the pain/bloating thing.

Laurel

Re: Re: Support group in Australia

> I started on PTU the end of October for eye treatment of the graves eye

> disease...you mention the bloating and stomach turmoil...I have been having

> horrible bloating, lots of gas, sometimes painful, but have never made this

> connection to my ATD's ... something new to think about here...thank you for

> sharing this..

Funny you should mention that. I've had this terrible feeling since about

Monday. I hesitate to call it " acid reflux " because I've only ever heard

the term used in prescription commercials. Its like a burning sensation

in my throat, and along with it is this really awful " bloated " feeling in

my chest -- like I don't have enough room to take a full breath. Last

night, I gave up and took a couple Gas-X tablets, and drank a soda.. was

feeling a bit better within an hour.

It appears to be back today (although not as bad), so here I am drinking

sodas again. I wonder if it is the PTU somehow.

--patti

*~*~*~*~*

Patti Spicer patti@...

" The silence is as important as the noise. What gets left out is

as important as what gets included "

--Sara Lawrence-Lightfoot, author of " I've Known Rivers "

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