I'm new here and considering Breast Augmentation

December 27, 2007

Ahh!! I found it! Dr. Pierre Blais' testimony before the FDA

Advisory panel in March 2000. In this specific segment, he discusses

the problems with the valves, among other things:

http://implants.clic.net/tony/Blais/035.html

Dr. Blais Testimony to the FDA

Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:32:55 -0700

From: " Rogene " saxony02@... (by way of ilena@...

(Ilena Rose)

(thanks Rogene. just a note . . . all the speakers were asked to make

their financial / disclosures at the beginning of their talks)

Beginning at page 242 . . .

CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Just so the three remaining individuals who are

going to be talking to us know, we will be getting to them in time.

We have one remaining consumer group to hear from. Dr. Blais, Pierre

Blais is from the Chemically Associated Neurological Disorders, and

in view of Ms. Stansell's yielding of half of her time, would the

timer please be set for 15 minutes?

DR. BLAIS: Thank you very much.

I differ from the other speakers in as much as I am not a U.S.

citizen. I'm here on invitation. I'm not a member of the association,

nor, for that matter, of any advocacy association.

I do not derive income from the breast implant trades, neither

through implantation, explantation, health care, diagnostic,

marketing, sale, or whatever.

I am here at my own expense. I have never received funding from any

source with respect to this program.

I'm a former Canadian official with a position very similar to our

colleagues here from the FDA. I had a similar role in Canada. I'm

responsible for what may be the largest breast implant or, for that

matter, general deep, long term implant study ever taken worldwide.

It has lasted now 25 years to this day.

The part I wish to report today is a very small segment of this

study. It concerns 250 specimens from a very large cohort of

explanted devices collected between about 1989 to almost the present.

Out of these, there were only a few that were suitable for the type

of study according to our protocol.

The type of protocol that we had targeted was one where we would look

for contamination in implants that had not failed. This is a minority

of implants that are removed, and they also included a review of the

mechanical issues surrounding the fabrication of implants.

We have heard today about many things. We have heard about how

beneficial the implants can be psychologically, how beneficial they

will be to cancer patients, the fact that they are liked by

individuals who have had deformity and so on. This may be so I could

agree with it. I applaud the studies.

They're very worthwhile.

My interests, however, are much more mundane. I'm a scientist, and

I'm also a technologist. I've studied those devices now for far in

excess of 25 years. I go back to the '60s, and I have personal direct

recollection from the ph Kennedy hearings. Those of you who are

my age will remember that.

Now, what I wish to impress on you is that the mention of science in

the study, the retrospective study is one thing, and that may be so,

but the mention of science in the context of fabrication and

engineering of the implant is not here. I have never seen any

evidence of intelligent engineering or science in the design, the

fabrication or, for that matter, the post explantation analysis of

these devices. They are articles of commerce of very low grade. They

belong to technology. They do not belong to science.

Those of you who still hold the view that these things are scientific

need only look at a few. I have some here. I won't bore you with that

they are like, except to mention the part that I wish to draw

attention to.

Virtually anything we have pulled out of patients over the last years

that have not been outright broken amongst the salines were all

septic, septic to a level which is unprecedented in studies on

scientific implants. They were visibly contaminated with all types of

flora, something that by itself should be a sobering thought for any

physician who puts them in and who takes them out.

What I want to draw your attention to is a very small segment of our

study which has concerned saline implants. Two hundred and forty-two

implants that fall into a certain category, a subclass of saline

implants, 74 that fulfill criteria of being " intact " in the surgical

sense of the word, six of the users reporting problems prior to

removal, such as deflation, a few of them claiming systemic

complications -- I'm not competent to discuss it -- three users only

involved in litigation.

Out of these 74, 12 were very old implants, what we call the

Mark I, which is a unique implant introduced in 1968 with a very

coarse and, by the way, highly secure valve system. These are the

ones that habitually are removed without rupture. It's an interesting

observation.

The others, 62 of them, bearing the same type of valve, this is what

we call a forward valve or an apex valve. Those of you familiar with

the trade will know what this symbols is. It is simply a hole with a

diaphragm at the bottom and a plug at the top to cap it.

The early ones, the , were quite secure. The second generation

which was introduced in '76 is not, nor is it designed to be, as best

as I can figure out. This type of implant is designed to leak

intentionally to support a claim of control of contracture. It is by

itself an engineering misrepresentation. It is not a single product.

It is made by nearly everyone in the trade. More than 18 different

manufacturers have made it. The values all share the same process,

the same problem because they all come from the same place. They are

a commodity. They are an article of commerce marketed by a single

manufacturer, sold to others.

Now, the other part of importance in this sub-study is that not only

were the values of this design not terribly good in terms of

manufacturing, but they did not even fit. The parts were not mated

correctly. To put it in very vulgar terms, it was like having a cork

on a wine bottle which is about five millimeters smaller than the

hole, so that if you put the cork in the bottle, it falls to the

bottom.

Now, I ask you as a technologist, as a scientist, as a physician, as

an administrator, as a layman, as a user, what would you think of a

company that presents to you with an elaborate pre-market submission

claiming elaborate studies and good science and good engineering, who

cannot manufacture an object to the right dimensions? What

credibility will the PMA have?

Now, there are many things. I've made a formal submission, and I'm

very grateful to Dr. Krause for accepting it. It will be given to you.

Unlike many others, it involves 20 recommendations on what the

committee has no option but to consider if they ever find that one of

the submissions complies with the terms of the requirement. I'm not

saying there are any.

I have yet to find one, but there could be one.

If such an implant ever appears in your files and you're required to

give it assent as an approved product, then you have no option but to

consider implementing the 20 recommendations that are made there, and

many of them are quite surprising. They're also very old because the

same recommendations are culled out of meetings that took place

incidental to classification panels in 1978 right through to about

1983 and were reiterated again in the late '80s when the gel implant

issue arose.

I'll just point to a few of them. If you wish to have further

elaborations, I can do that personally, if an invitation.

One of the main issues that I have is that the FDA must address

retrospectively warnings for users of the implants. They are exposed

to risks which have never been made clear to them and have been

denied. Yet they are undeniable in the light of laboratory findings.

The other issues have to do with disclosure and the clearing up of

issues that are called possibilities, remote risks as opposed to

inevitable, time dependent certainties.

These implants are literally replete with certainties. They are not

probabilities.

And then finally I have to deal with the issue of breast feeding. In

the light of any reasonable person who is briefed about breast

physiology and in the light of the laboratory findings that we are

getting from saline implant, there is no basis in any science, any

technology, not even in psychology, that would justify breast

feeding, and as surprising as it sounds, it has nothing to do with

the offspring. It has to do with the very principle on why implants

are put in the first place.

If you attempt breast feeding with an implant, you will have a good

chance of bringing the breast back to its pre-implantation condition,

breast involution. It's all over medical texts.

The issue of the so-called selfishly oriented recommendation against

breast feeding is absolute. It is a cosmetic issue and also one of

risk.

Now, the issue of the offspring is secondary, but it's just as

important in the ethical sense because we now have implants that are

not secure in terms of integrity, which are known to be colonized by

a broad range of microorganisms which have access to the breast, and

the breast is fully engorged and responsible for distribution of milk

precursor product to the implant.

Therefore, the implant constitutes a direct channel for transmission

of an infective vector to the offspring. This concept is so old that

you will find it in European texts in 1965.

Contrary to opinions expressed this morning, the saline implant is

not a 1968 discovery. It's a 1960 discovery, and to make it even more

embarrassing, it's a Canadian one at that. It is my [brethren] who

has foisted this on you. It is older than the gel implant. It's been

known since the beginning that they constituted a microbiological

hazard that would preclude absolutely any recommendation for breast

feeding.

Finally, to conserve and try to establish a record of being timely,

the issue of radiography must also be addressed. It is also

transparently obvious these devices, the very shell is structured and

is radiopaque. As such, the uniqueness of the shell, its structure

and its peculiarities, preclude any form of meaningful

radiodiagnostic oncology aspect. The implant is not just a confusing

factor. It is capable of generating both false positive and false

negatives. Therefore, there should be an FDA recommendation with

respect to deemphasizing any value of radiographic assessment for

tumors.

Then last of all, I have the issue of cost. How and why did Canada

governments become interested in breast implants? It had nothing to

do with the health of the user, the offspring, the safety, or the

cosmetic aspects, what we call efficacy. It had to do with cost.

Some of you know that Canada operates under a medicare system. In the

early days of this debate, which is the late '70s, I performed a

study on health care cost, which is easy to do. It's only a computer

issue in Canada, as we have the record, and a very strong outcome

came.

Anyone implanted consumed four times our health care resources of a

corresponded age adjusted individual. I haven't done the study since.

I'm scared.

Now, this has enormous implications. If you do a macroeconomic

analysis of this phenomenon, you will observe that both primary and

secondary health care costs of some states and incidental to

Medicare/Medicaid, which does operate in some states, you find that

it exceeds in some cases the actual promotion studies, the cost of

promoting the technology.

Now, as a result of this, everyone, whether or not they have

implants, are affected. They are affected in the sense that third

party insurers, HMOs, and everyone else who is in the health care

funding business is looking at breast implants with much concern for

good reasons, because they attract health care procedures, and they

attract health care costs.

One doesn't have to be the rocket scientist to figure this out.

Finally, the issue, the last issue, I made a small omission in

disclosing conflict. It may not be a conflict. I have consulted for

everybody, the breast implant industry, the breast implant

professionals, the attorneys for defense, attorneys for plaintiffs,

third party insurers, governments, you name it. I have done it, but I

have not derived a living from it.

And finally, I do have an involvement as a witness, and it's a

witness in Canada called a material witness incidental to a criminal

investigation of the Canadian government surrounding wrongdoings in

the approval process of medical devices.

Thank you very much.

CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Dr. Burkhardt

DR. BURKHARDT: Is it Dr. Blais?

DR. BLAIS: Yes, it is, sir.

DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you.

A couple of things that I couldn't understand. I'm just a little

dense about this stuff, the thing that you said. You said that you

had removed 74 intact saline implants.

DR. BLAIS: They're out of a group --

DR. BURKHARDT: I'm not finished yet.

DR. BLAIS: I'm sorry. I apologize.

DR. BURKHARDT: You removed 74 intact implants. Then you commented

that the valve looked like it had been made to leak, and I don't

understand whether the implants you removed were intact or deflated

or what. What was the relationship there?

DR. BLAIS: They were intact in the sense of the word that you would

use in your own operative report, Dr. Burkhardt.

DR. BURKHARDT: But were they deflated?

DR. BLAIS: They were fully inflated. Many of them were even over

inflated.

DR. BURKHARDT: So they had not leaked.

DR. BLAIS: Correct. However, this is not true --

DR. BURKHARDT: That was the answer to my question. I just wanted to

understand that.

Now, in terms of transmitting an infected vector to the offspring,

it's my understanding, and we have an expert here who might be able

to help us, that about 95 percent of lactating mother's milk is

contaminated with staff epidermatis. It's a normal organism in the

milk, and this is the predominant organism that is recovered from

around implants.

So it's not clear to me why you think that the implant itself is a

vector in transmitting that.

DR. BLAIS: Yes, it's three questions actually that you have directed,

and I'm familiar with the microbiology of the breast. In fact, it's

not limited to stapholocci. It includes also propioni bactiacne and

many other things, the natural flora of the contaminated functional

breast.

However, the organisms in those implants were not of this genus. They

belonged to the mycobacteria family for reasons I can't go into, but

now I show you the diagram of this valve again, and I tell you that

it is not secure.

Even though the implants were inflated, which puzzled us for a time,

our modeling studies showed that the valve functioned as a pump. It

would take extracellular fluid occupying the intracapsular space and

through the user's habitual movements, this would produce cyclic

compression, and it drive fluid within the implant.

Therefore, the implant leaked not just one way,b ut in both

directions and --

DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you very much.

DR. BLAIS: -- therefore, whatever is in would get out into the breast.

DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you.

DR. BLAIS: Thank you.

CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Yes, Dr. Dubler.

MS. DUBLER: On the very last page of your handout, you have a comment

on publication.

DR. BLAIS: Yes.

MS. DUBLER: And how difficult it is to get these sorts of negative

data published.

DR. BLAIS: Yes.

MS. DUBLER: Has the government of Canada -- has your report in any

way been submitted formally and accepted by any agency of the

Canadian government?

DR. BLAIS: No, Doctor. The report that you have in your hand was

finished yesterday. You are privileged to have its first copy, or

either cursed with having its first copy.

MS. DUBLER: Thank you.

DR. BLAIS: I have published many things. I have not and deliberately

avoided publication in this area as it has been painfully difficult

to collect clinical material, and that could be the object of another

presentation, but it has no place here.

CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Thank you.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In fact, I've been to two consoltations and was just

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> to

> > > get

> > > > the

> > > > > > Silicone and changed me mind because of a report I read

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> > > > > > Has everyone on here had bad experiences?

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> > > > > > I'd appreciate any advise of feedback from anyone who has

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December 27, 2007

Thanks. I think you all have one me over alreadyglory2glory1401 <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Ahh!! I found it! Dr. Pierre Blais' testimony before the FDA Advisory panel in March 2000. In this specific segment, he discusses the problems with the valves, among other things:http://implants.clic.net/tony/Blais/035.htmlDr. Blais Testimony to the FDADate: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 11:32:55 -0700From: "Rogene" saxony02netscape (DOT) net (by way of ilena@....com (Ilena Rose) (thanks Rogene. just a note . . . all the speakers were asked to make their financial / disclosures at the beginning of their talks)Beginning at page 242 . . .CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Just so the three remaining individuals who are going to be talking to us know, we will be getting to them in time.We have one remaining consumer group to hear from. Dr. Blais, Pierre Blais is from the Chemically Associated Neurological Disorders, and in view of Ms. Stansell's yielding of half of her time, would the timer please be set for 15 minutes?DR. BLAIS: Thank you very much.I differ from the other speakers in as much as I am not a U.S. citizen. I'm here on invitation. I'm not a member of the association, nor, for that matter, of any advocacy association.I

do not derive income from the breast implant trades, neither through implantation, explantation, health care, diagnostic, marketing, sale, or whatever.I am here at my own expense. I have never received funding from any source with respect to this program.I'm a former Canadian official with a position very similar to our colleagues here from the FDA. I had a similar role in Canada. I'm responsible for what may be the largest breast implant or, for that matter, general deep, long term implant study ever taken worldwide. It has lasted now 25 years to this day.The part I wish to report today is a very small segment of this study. It concerns 250 specimens from a very large cohort of explanted devices collected between about 1989 to almost the present. Out of these, there were only a few that were suitable for the type of study according to our protocol.The type of protocol that we had targeted was one

where we would look for contamination in implants that had not failed. This is a minority of implants that are removed, and they also included a review of the mechanical issues surrounding the fabrication of implants.We have heard today about many things. We have heard about how beneficial the implants can be psychologically, how beneficial they will be to cancer patients, the fact that they are liked by individuals who have had deformity and so on. This may be so I could agree with it. I applaud the studies.They're very worthwhile.My interests, however, are much more mundane. I'm a scientist, and I'm also a technologist. I've studied those devices now for far in excess of 25 years. I go back to the '60s, and I have personal direct recollection from the ph Kennedy hearings. Those of you who are my age will remember that.Now, what I wish to impress on you is that the mention of science in

the study, the retrospective study is one thing, and that may be so, but the mention of science in the context of fabrication and engineering of the implant is not here. I have never seen any evidence of intelligent engineering or science in the design, the fabrication or, for that matter, the post explantation analysis of these devices. They are articles of commerce of very low grade. They belong to technology. They do not belong to science.Those of you who still hold the view that these things are scientific need only look at a few. I have some here. I won't bore you with that they are like, except to mention the part that I wish to draw attention to.Virtually anything we have pulled out of patients over the last years that have not been outright broken amongst the salines were all septic, septic to a level which is unprecedented in studies on scientific implants. They were visibly contaminated with all

types of flora, something that by itself should be a sobering thought for any physician who puts them in and who takes them out.What I want to draw your attention to is a very small segment of our study which has concerned saline implants. Two hundred and forty-two implants that fall into a certain category, a subclass of saline implants, 74 that fulfill criteria of being "intact" in the surgical sense of the word, six of the users reporting problems prior to removal, such as deflation, a few of them claiming systemic complications -- I'm not competent to discuss it -- three users only involved in litigation.Out of these 74, 12 were very old implants, what we call the Mark I, which is a unique implant introduced in 1968 with a very coarse and, by the way, highly secure valve system. These are the ones that habitually are removed without rupture. It's an interesting observation.The others, 62

of them, bearing the same type of valve, this is what we call a forward valve or an apex valve. Those of you familiar with the trade will know what this symbols is. It is simply a hole with a diaphragm at the bottom and a plug at the top to cap it.The early ones, the , were quite secure. The second generation which was introduced in '76 is not, nor is it designed to be, as best as I can figure out. This type of implant is designed to leak intentionally to support a claim of control of contracture. It is by itself an engineering misrepresentation. It is not a single product. It is made by nearly everyone in the trade. More than 18 different manufacturers have made it. The values all share the same process, the same problem because they all come from the same place. They are a commodity. They are an article of commerce marketed by a single manufacturer, sold to others.Now, the other part of importance in

this sub-study is that not only were the values of this design not terribly good in terms of manufacturing, but they did not even fit. The parts were not mated correctly. To put it in very vulgar terms, it was like having a cork on a wine bottle which is about five millimeters smaller than the hole, so that if you put the cork in the bottle, it falls to the bottom.Now, I ask you as a technologist, as a scientist, as a physician, as an administrator, as a layman, as a user, what would you think of a company that presents to you with an elaborate pre-market submission claiming elaborate studies and good science and good engineering, who cannot manufacture an object to the right dimensions? What credibility will the PMA have?Now, there are many things. I've made a formal submission, and I'm very grateful to Dr. Krause for accepting it. It will be given to you.Unlike many others, it involves 20

recommendations on what the committee has no option but to consider if they ever find that one of the submissions complies with the terms of the requirement. I'm not saying there are any.I have yet to find one, but there could be one.If such an implant ever appears in your files and you're required to give it assent as an approved product, then you have no option but to consider implementing the 20 recommendations that are made there, and many of them are quite surprising. They're also very old because the same recommendations are culled out of meetings that took place incidental to classification panels in 1978 right through to about 1983 and were reiterated again in the late '80s when the gel implant issue arose.I'll just point to a few of them. If you wish to have further elaborations, I can do that personally, if an invitation.One of the main issues that I have is that the FDA must address

retrospectively warnings for users of the implants. They are exposed to risks which have never been made clear to them and have been denied. Yet they are undeniable in the light of laboratory findings.The other issues have to do with disclosure and the clearing up of issues that are called possibilities, remote risks as opposed to inevitable, time dependent certainties.These implants are literally replete with certainties. They are not probabilities.And then finally I have to deal with the issue of breast feeding. In the light of any reasonable person who is briefed about breast physiology and in the light of the laboratory findings that we are getting from saline implant, there is no basis in any science, any technology, not even in psychology, that would justify breast feeding, and as surprising as it sounds, it has nothing to do with the offspring. It has to do with the very principle on why

implants are put in the first place.If you attempt breast feeding with an implant, you will have a good chance of bringing the breast back to its pre-implantation condition, breast involution. It's all over medical texts.The issue of the so-called selfishly oriented recommendation against breast feeding is absolute. It is a cosmetic issue and also one of risk.Now, the issue of the offspring is secondary, but it's just as important in the ethical sense because we now have implants that are not secure in terms of integrity, which are known to be colonized by a broad range of microorganisms which have access to the breast, and the breast is fully engorged and responsible for distribution of milk precursor product to the implant.Therefore, the implant constitutes a direct channel for transmission of an infective vector to the offspring. This concept is so old that you will find it in European texts

in 1965.Contrary to opinions expressed this morning, the saline implant is not a 1968 discovery. It's a 1960 discovery, and to make it even more embarrassing, it's a Canadian one at that. It is my [brethren] who has foisted this on you. It is older than the gel implant. It's been known since the beginning that they constituted a microbiological hazard that would preclude absolutely any recommendation for breast feeding.Finally, to conserve and try to establish a record of being timely, the issue of radiography must also be addressed. It is also transparently obvious these devices, the very shell is structured and is radiopaque. As such, the uniqueness of the shell, its structure and its peculiarities, preclude any form of meaningful radiodiagnostic oncology aspect. The implant is not just a confusing factor. It is capable of generating both false positive and false negatives. Therefore, there should be an

FDA recommendation with respect to deemphasizing any value of radiographic assessment for tumors.Then last of all, I have the issue of cost. How and why did Canada governments become interested in breast implants? It had nothing to do with the health of the user, the offspring, the safety, or the cosmetic aspects, what we call efficacy. It had to do with cost.Some of you know that Canada operates under a medicare system. In the early days of this debate, which is the late '70s, I performed a study on health care cost, which is easy to do. It's only a computer issue in Canada, as we have the record, and a very strong outcome came.Anyone implanted consumed four times our health care resources of a corresponded age adjusted individual. I haven't done the study since. I'm scared.Now, this has enormous implications. If you do a macroeconomic analysis of this phenomenon, you will observe that both

primary and secondary health care costs of some states and incidental to Medicare/Medicaid, which does operate in some states, you find that it exceeds in some cases the actual promotion studies, the cost of promoting the technology.Now, as a result of this, everyone, whether or not they have implants, are affected. They are affected in the sense that third party insurers, HMOs, and everyone else who is in the health care funding business is looking at breast implants with much concern for good reasons, because they attract health care procedures, and they attract health care costs.One doesn't have to be the rocket scientist to figure this out.Finally, the issue, the last issue, I made a small omission in disclosing conflict. It may not be a conflict. I have consulted for everybody, the breast implant industry, the breast implant professionals, the attorneys for defense, attorneys for plaintiffs,

third party insurers, governments, you name it. I have done it, but I have not derived a living from it.And finally, I do have an involvement as a witness, and it's a witness in Canada called a material witness incidental to a criminal investigation of the Canadian government surrounding wrongdoings in the approval process of medical devices.Thank you very much.CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Dr. BurkhardtDR. BURKHARDT: Is it Dr. Blais?DR. BLAIS: Yes, it is, sir.DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you.A couple of things that I couldn't understand. I'm just a little dense about this stuff, the thing that you said. You said that you had removed 74 intact saline implants.DR. BLAIS: They're out of a group --DR. BURKHARDT: I'm not finished yet.DR. BLAIS: I'm sorry. I apologize.DR. BURKHARDT: You removed 74 intact implants. Then you commented that the valve looked like it had been made to

leak, and I don't understand whether the implants you removed were intact or deflated or what. What was the relationship there?DR. BLAIS: They were intact in the sense of the word that you would use in your own operative report, Dr. Burkhardt.DR. BURKHARDT: But were they deflated?DR. BLAIS: They were fully inflated. Many of them were even over inflated.DR. BURKHARDT: So they had not leaked.DR. BLAIS: Correct. However, this is not true --DR. BURKHARDT: That was the answer to my question. I just wanted to understand that.Now, in terms of transmitting an infected vector to the offspring, it's my understanding, and we have an expert here who might be able to help us, that about 95 percent of lactating mother's milk is contaminated with staff epidermatis. It's a normal organism in the milk, and this is the predominant organism that is recovered from around implants.So it's

not clear to me why you think that the implant itself is a vector in transmitting that.DR. BLAIS: Yes, it's three questions actually that you have directed, and I'm familiar with the microbiology of the breast. In fact, it's not limited to stapholocci. It includes also propioni bactiacne and many other things, the natural flora of the contaminated functional breast.However, the organisms in those implants were not of this genus. They belonged to the mycobacteria family for reasons I can't go into, but now I show you the diagram of this valve again, and I tell you that it is not secure.Even though the implants were inflated, which puzzled us for a time, our modeling studies showed that the valve functioned as a pump. It would take extracellular fluid occupying the intracapsular space and through the user's habitual movements, this would produce cyclic compression, and it drive fluid within the

implant.Therefore, the implant leaked not just one way,b ut in both directions and --DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you very much.DR. BLAIS: -- therefore, whatever is in would get out into the breast.DR. BURKHARDT: Thank you.DR. BLAIS: Thank you.CHAIRMAN WHALEN: Yes, Dr. Dubler.MS. DUBLER: On the very last page of your handout, you have a comment on publication.DR. BLAIS: Yes.MS. DUBLER: And how difficult it is to get these sorts of negative data published.DR. BLAIS: Yes.MS. DUBLER: Has the government of Canada -- has your report in any way been submitted formally and accepted by any agency of the Canadian government?DR. BLAIS: No, Doctor. The report that you have in your hand wasfinished yesterday. You are privileged to have its first copy, or either cursed with having its first copy.MS. DUBLER: Thank you.DR. BLAIS: I have published many

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It sounds crazy but no one out there knows how sick people are getting. I live in south florida and a lot of people have implants but no one EVER talks about the things mentioned hereDGRAHAMA@... wrote: This test should be done on all people getting any type of implant prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman. You have found many good sites with

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Is anything helping you?DGRAHAMA@... wrote: I have to say I feel much differently about it now. I just don't understand why no one in the world of plastic surgery know anything about it. ~ the reason they dont know about it is because all the money they earn off of all us implanted people makes them " forget " all the

problems connected to receiving implants.........of any kind ! ! ! the original implantation costs 4,000-6,000 each subsequent explant and implant replacement costs 5,0000-10,000. Then explant enbloc or capsulectomy costs 6,000-22,000. Many, many implanted women have several surgeries. Each costing lots of money. Mammograms and MRI's inbetween all those are very expensive too. Now, for people like me who are so sick all their organs shut down, I have to say, my medical costs this last 2 years are well over a million dollars. I am now on 100 percent disability, and I have medicare coverage through disability, and it runs me about 96 dollars a month now, and only pays 80 percent. That seems like it pays alot, but you consider each cardiac appointment I go to is around 300 dollars, which leaves my balance for that visit 60.00. That is alot for someone

that lives on less than a grand a month ! ! ! I have NO perscription coverage either. The list goes on and on. I cant get life insurance, nor can I get credit life which pays off a house or car if something happens to you. Since I owe so many medical bills, I no longer have good credit, and will never be able to buy anything. I can no longer leave my phone open to phone calls so I leave my computer on so all the collection agencies get a busy signal. My phone rings off the wall if I dont block it with my computer ! ! Literally ! ! ! This is NO fun, nor were tits worth all this illness or stress ! ! ! See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.

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I wanted them for all the same reason you did. I'm a very healthy person . I work out 5 days a week and eat fish; chicken fruit and veggies. I take all the right vitiminsa and look great for my age!! 40 is my age; and I see a change in my breasts and I hatge it. I can't wear the shirts I use to wear and like you I feel bad about it. But not anymore. Thanks to all you brave; terrific women I'm not going through with it. I guess beauty really does start from the inside.DEVON <devonandbob@...> wrote: Hi

,I'm new here,too, and have been reading with great interest yourand everyone else's comments. I have saline implants, done by one ofthe best surgeons in NYC, who also now happens to be a sponsor doctorfor one of the more popular Pro-Augmentation websites. I wasn't goingto trust my chest to just anyone, no siree! He was very easy to getalong with, and the staff seemed great. His office is on Park Avenue,and everyone in his photos looked so awesome that I was jealous ofthem. I decided on saline, as I had heard about the possible dangersof silicone, and was scared but determined to look my best. Hereassured me that there was absolutely no problems with saline, and ifthey for some reason ruptured, the saline would just be re-absorbed bymy system. (Have you read about the valves being a two-way street inyour body yet?) Oh yes, and that they would last for at least 20years, or if lucky, I would be buried with them.

(After reading someof the brave ladies' stories on this and other websites, that nowsounds kinda scarily prophetic). I had the surgery, and my recoverywas fairly quick, and the 4th year anniversary for these breasts willbe in July. BUT, they won't be there this time, hopefully, because Ihave found another plastic surgeon - also one of the very best - thatI hope to have take them out of me and just reshape me with a lift.WHY? Well, if all the medical stuff hasn't scared the crap out of youyet enough to reconsider, consider my experience so far: If you don'tfeel your breasts' weight all the time (and it's not constantly onyour mind), bear in mind that that may change, even if you don't go"too big". I didn't - I just wanted that fullness that we all seem todesire, but they feel soooo heavy. Also, along with the stretch marksthat may develop, you may lose sensation in one or both nipples,making being touched there a

non-event, or worse - painful. My rightbreast is numb a lot of the time, but sore at other times, so I'mhopeful that a nerve is just being pushed on and may resolve itselfafter explantation. I am beginning to develop many odd symptoms aswell, and although I've never been what you might call a healthfanatic, I have taken pretty good care of myself, yet I am losing myhair (I don't use chemical dye or perms, either), my vision is gettingalarmingly blurry, I forget stuff a LOT, and it's getting worse, Ihave a lot of sinus troubles, my knees have begun to have stabbingpains, my hands are freezing most of the time, I am getting odd, scaryrashes all over, shall I go on? You have read it over and over hereand hopefully elsewhere. It's your body. Hopefully you aren't beingdrawn to the BA websites because of a guy? That was another reason Igot implanted, and one of the worst. Maybe THE worst. Mythen-husband was a cold creep and

I thought I just wasn't sexy enough.It doesn't take much looking around to see that we don't measure upin the media's eyes. I was constantly comparing myself with otherwomen and coming up short, fat and flat. It took me getting thesethings in me to see that they didn't make much, if any difference inhow I feel about myself, and since they are causing problemos, outthey come. Check out the 48 Reasons Why Not to get a Boob Job articleon the Humantics website. It was very imformative as well. And remember, I've only had these puppies in for less than 4 years. 4 short years, and already things aren't going well. It appears that there may be a fat-implantation option out there, butI know next to nothing about it. Keep researching, please.Hugs to you,Devon> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact, I've been to two consoltations and was just > about > > to > > > > get > > > > > the > > > > > > > Silicone and changed me mind because of a report I read > on > > > > >

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Hi ,

I think others don't address it much because people really don't want

to hear it. So many women are getting implants and may not have

symptoms immediately. If you have them and are feeling great, you

don't want to hear or accept the reality of illness. When I had

implants and was feeling great, if I heard a horror story, I'd chalk

it up to a fluke, like there being some underlying problem with the

woman, because " it certainly couldn't happen to me. " Even as I

developed symptoms, I dismissed them as stress of a fast-paced

lifestyle. There is a ton of denial and ignorance relating to

implants!!

Also, you don't hear about the illness as much except on forums

because sick people are too busy trying to regain their health.

Since I've been ill I don't get out much to spread the word. When I

went out to a cafe I used to go to a lot and everyone asked where I'd

been, I didn't want to say " Sick from breast implants " to former

casual acquaintances. It just seemed very awkward at the moment. I

wish I would have been able to tell it like it is, but I'm not " there

yet " ...it will come in time. Sick people become isolated as well so

they aren't going to be getting out and telling their stories until

they are stronger. - PH

This test should be done on all

people getting any type of implant

> prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman. You have

found

> many good sites with awesome info on them !

> Love Dede

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So, what are you doing to get better? and is it working?perfecthealth68 <perfecthealth68@...> wrote: Hi ,I think others don't address it much because people really don't want to hear it. So many women are getting implants and may not have symptoms immediately. If you have them and are feeling great, you don't want to hear or accept the reality of illness. When I had implants and was feeling great, if I heard a horror story, I'd chalk it up to a fluke, like there being some underlying problem with the woman,

because "it certainly couldn't happen to me." Even as I developed symptoms, I dismissed them as stress of a fast-paced lifestyle. There is a ton of denial and ignorance relating to implants!!Also, you don't hear about the illness as much except on forums because sick people are too busy trying to regain their health. Since I've been ill I don't get out much to spread the word. When I went out to a cafe I used to go to a lot and everyone asked where I'd been, I didn't want to say "Sick from breast implants" to former casual acquaintances. It just seemed very awkward at the moment. I wish I would have been able to tell it like it is, but I'm not "there yet"...it will come in time. Sick people become isolated as well so they aren't going to be getting out and telling their stories until they are stronger. - PH This test should be done on all people getting any type of implant> prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman. You have found> many good sites with awesome info on them ! > Love Dede> > > > > ---------------------------------> See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.> > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

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I know there is no amount of money that can make up for what you have been through, but coulndn't you sue anyway??? Just so you could pay medical bills?DGRAHAMA@... wrote: Right now, I have saline implants in, they are 8 yrs old and my heart is too weak to have surgery to have them taken out ! ! ! I am 53, have a pacemaker/defibrillator implanted in my left chest with 3 wires into my heart so it can shock it when it stops or quivers from v-fib. It has gone off 12 times so far......... When I get these toxic time bombs out, I plan on doing what ever it takes and in my power to detox and maintain a healthy lifestyle in hopes of reversing much of this health crisis. I also have lupus and stage 2 chronic kidney failure, caused from the lupus I got from the chemicals in silicone. They call it chemically stimulated lupus. Right now

I am patiently waiting on my heart to heal some more from my last heart attack, the end of july. I plan to explant the second I have cardiac clearance. I have to travel to Georgia to have this done. Dr Kolb is my hero, she is willing, able, and an angel. No one in Texas will touch me with my heart being so weak....... from safe silicone implants.......I had a massive silicone rupture back in 1994. Since these salines are also silicone, I have continued to go downhill since then........I am determined to get better, and I will ! ! Hugs Dede See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.

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Hi ,

Your post brings tears to my eyes because I'm so happy that you're

saving yourself from harm. You remind me of my former self. I was

so into health, nutrition and exercise and looked young for my age,

which is a year younger than you. Now I honestly feel elderly and 40

is so young. I'm in the prime of my life yet can't enjoy it due to

illness. Be grateful for your health and vitality as breast size

means absolutely nothing in the big scheme of things. Go to sleep

happy knowing you're giving your body the gift of health. Love, PH

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In fact, I've been to two consoltations and was just

> > about

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Silicone and changed me mind because of a report I

read

> > on

> > > > > > > > mentorcorp.com. I'm not researching Saline and I came

> > > across

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > site.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has everyone on here had bad experiences?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any advise of feedback from anyone who

has

> > > > gone

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > the procedure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks.

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Congratulations, , this choice will keep you healthy. Changes to

our bodies are normal and natural. Implants are not.

Your body will thank you for making the right decision.

Lynda

At 08:34 PM 12/27/2007, you wrote:

>I wanted them for all the same reason you did.

>

>I'm a very healthy person . I work out 5 days a week and eat fish;

>chicken fruit and veggies. I take all the right vitiminsa and look

>great for my age!! 40 is my age; and I see a change in my breasts

>and I hatge it. I can't wear the shirts I use to wear and like you I

>feel bad about it. But not anymore. Thanks to all you brave;

>terrific women I'm not going through with it. I guess beauty really

>does start from the inside.

>

>DEVON <devonandbob@...> wrote:

>Hi ,

>I'm new here,too, and have been reading with great interest your

>and everyone else's comments. I have saline implants, done by one of

>the best surgeons in NYC, who also now happens to be a sponsor doctor

>for one of the more popular Pro-Augmentation websites. I wasn't going

>to trust my chest to just anyone, no siree! He was very easy to get

>along with, and the staff seemed great. His office is on Park Avenue,

>and everyone in his photos looked so awesome that I was jealous of

>them. I decided on saline, as I had heard about the possible dangers

>of silicone, and was scared but determined to look my best. He

>reassured me that there was absolutely no problems with saline, and if

>they for some reason ruptured, the saline would just be re-absorbed by

>my system. (Have you read about the valves being a two-way street in

>your body yet?) Oh yes, and that they would last for at least 20

>years, or if lucky, I would be buried with them. (After reading some

>of the brave ladies' stories on this and other websites, that now

>sounds kinda scarily prophetic). I had the surgery, and my recovery

>was fairly quick, and the 4th year anniversary for these breasts will

>be in July. BUT, they won't be there this time, hopefully, because I

>have found another plastic surgeon - also one of the very best - that

>I hope to have take them out of me and just reshape me with a lift.

>WHY? Well, if all the medical stuff hasn't scared the crap out of you

>yet enough to reconsider, consider my experience so far: If you don't

>feel your breasts' weight all the time (and it's not constantly on

>your mind), bear in mind that that may change, even if you don't go

> " too big " . I didn't - I just wanted that fullness that we all seem to

>desire, but they feel soooo heavy. Also, along with the stretch marks

>that may develop, you may lose sensation in one or both nipples,

>making being touched there a non-event, or worse - painful. My right

>breast is numb a lot of the time, but sore at other times, so I'm

>hopeful that a nerve is just being pushed on and may resolve itself

>after explantation. I am beginning to develop many odd symptoms as

>well, and although I've never been what you might call a health

>fanatic, I have taken pretty good care of myself, yet I am losing my

>hair (I don't use chemical dye or perms, either), my vision is getting

>alarmingly blurry, I forget stuff a LOT, and it's getting worse, I

>have a lot of sinus troubles, my knees have begun to have stabbing

>pains, my hands are freezing most of the time, I am getting odd, scary

>rashes all over, shall I go on? You have read it over and over here

>and hopefully elsewhere. It's your body. Hopefully you aren't being

>drawn to the BA websites because of a guy? That was another reason I

>got implanted, and one of the worst. Maybe THE worst. My

>then-husband was a cold creep and I thought I just wasn't sexy enough.

>It doesn't take much looking around to see that we don't measure up

>in the media's eyes. I was constantly comparing myself with other

>women and coming up short, fat and flat. It took me getting these

>things in me to see that they didn't make much, if any difference in

>how I feel about myself, and since they are causing problemos, out

>they come. Check out the 48 Reasons Why Not to get a Boob Job article

>on the Humantics website. It was very imformative as well.

>And remember, I've only had these puppies in for less than 4 years.

>4 short years, and already things aren't going well.

>It appears that there may be a fat-implantation option out there, but

>I know next to nothing about it. Keep researching, please.

>Hugs to you,

>Devon

>

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > In fact, I've been to two consoltations and was just

> > about

> > > to

> > > > > get

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Silicone and changed me mind because of a report I read

> > on

> > > > > > > > mentorcorp.com. I'm not researching Saline and I came

> > > across

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > site.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Has everyone on here had bad experiences?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I'd appreciate any advise of feedback from anyone who has

> > > > gone

> > > > > > > through

> > > > > > > > the procedure.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks.

> > > > > > > >

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B-

Can you remove the wires and the bra's still work?

What would be funny is to make an art project with

all the old bra's you dont want in your collection. Like

a mannequin with bra's all over it.......

Also, getting a curio cabinet to display all the many

bra's would be kewl......hum.....guinness book of world

records..........

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~

Ya, you know, it is amazing the selling (brainwashing)

techniques they use to sell their plastic surgery.

They actually convince us that we are not already

beautiful and perfect, when we were made perfect

to begin with. Perfect in relation to this subject

means uniquely our own....or made by God.........

You know, another subject is body size.......also

works for body part size.......

God made some of us big, and some of us small,

and the rest of us somewhere inbetween. This means

we are all .......perfect...in our own unique God given

way, and we need to embrace that, and be grateful

for what we already have.

Variety is the spice of life......if we were all alike, then

we would all be ~ a world of ditto's ~

Hugs Dede

Ya know, if we all did all that plastic surgery they promote, we would have

huge knockers, with little or no feeling, that look like basket balls with thin skin stretched over them, lots of junk in our trunks ( big butts) , duck lips, faces that dont move, or have any expression, bob hair cuts wearing victoria secret in stalletos on feet with huge bunions that hurt, no brains or time to feed the brain as we would be spending all our time being self absorbed and adjusting our dismorphic selves...........YUK...! .......!

Id rather live and enjoy the earth and God's gifts....the beach, mountains, snow, flowers, birds, the cascades, wild animals, kewl rocks, and butterflies ~ DedeSee AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for winter.

December 28, 2007

There is a girl on this board- I think it's Cherie- who had all these symptoms and was recently explanted, but doesn't talk about implant illness BECAUSE so many women around her have them. Think of your reaction to all this (initially, mine was the same- it's overwhelming and nobody wants to accept it). My guess is that if women talk about this, people pull back from them, so they stop talking about it. Re: Re: I'm new here and considering Breast Augmentation

It sounds crazy but no one out there knows how sick people are getting. I live in south florida and a lot of people have implants but no one EVER talks about the things mentioned hereDGRAHAMAAOL (DOT) COM wrote: This test should be done on all people getting any type of implant prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman. You have found many good sites with

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Here's a secret it took me 2 years to figure out-if you're an A cup (or belo), wireless/soft cup bras make you look perkier than wired bras. I know it's counter-intuitive, but it's true. It's not just on me, either- I've found some websites that back me up on this. I discovered it myself when trying to clear up some breast pain, and THEN found the info on the Internet. I wish I'd seen it sooner! I own about a zillion wired bras that make me look matronly. Re: Re: I'm new here and considering Breast Augmentation

I wanted them for all the same reason you did. I'm a very healthy person . I work out 5 days a week and eat fish; chicken fruit and veggies. I take all the right vitiminsa and look great for my age!! 40 is my age; and I see a change in my breasts and I hatge it. I can't wear the shirts I use to wear and like you I feel bad about it. But not anymore. Thanks to all you brave; terrific women I'm not going through with it. I guess beauty really does start from the inside.DEVON <devonandbob@ verizon.net> wrote: Hi

,I'm new here,too, and have been reading with great interest yourand everyone else's comments. I have saline implants, done by one ofthe best surgeons in NYC, who also now happens to be a sponsor doctorfor one of the more popular Pro-Augmentation websites. I wasn't goingto trust my chest to just anyone, no siree! He was very easy to getalong with, and the staff seemed great. His office is on Park Avenue,and everyone in his photos looked so awesome that I was jealous ofthem. I decided on saline, as I had heard about the possible dangersof silicone, and was scared but determined to look my best. Hereassured me that there was absolutely no problems with saline, and ifthey for some reason ruptured, the saline would just be re-absorbed bymy system. (Have you read about the valves being a two-way street inyour body yet?) Oh yes, and that they would last for at least 20years, or if lucky, I would be

buried with them.

(After reading someof the brave ladies' stories on this and other websites, that nowsounds kinda scarily prophetic). I had the surgery, and my recoverywas fairly quick, and the 4th year anniversary for these breasts willbe in July. BUT, they won't be there this time, hopefully, because Ihave found another plastic surgeon - also one of the very best - thatI hope to have take them out of me and just reshape me with a lift.WHY? Well, if all the medical stuff hasn't scared the crap out of youyet enough to reconsider, consider my experience so far: If you don'tfeel your breasts' weight all the time (and it's not constantly onyour mind), bear in mind that that may change, even if you don't go"too big". I didn't - I just wanted that fullness that we all seem todesire, but they feel soooo heavy. Also, along with the stretch marksthat may develop, you may lose sensation in one or both nipples,making being

touched there a

non-event, or worse - painful. My rightbreast is numb a lot of the time, but sore at other times, so I'mhopeful that a nerve is just being pushed on and may resolve itselfafter explantation. I am beginning to develop many odd symptoms aswell, and although I've never been what you might call a healthfanatic, I have taken pretty good care of myself, yet I am losing myhair (I don't use chemical dye or perms, either), my vision is gettingalarmingly blurry, I forget stuff a LOT, and it's getting worse, Ihave a lot of sinus troubles, my knees have begun to have stabbingpains, my hands are freezing most of the time, I am getting odd, scaryrashes all over, shall I go on? You have read it over and over hereand hopefully elsewhere. It's your body. Hopefully you aren't beingdrawn to the BA websites because of a guy? That was another reason Igot implanted, and one of the worst. Maybe THE worst. Mythen-husband

was a cold creep and

I thought I just wasn't sexy enough.It doesn't take much looking around to see that we don't measure upin the media's eyes. I was constantly comparing myself with otherwomen and coming up short, fat and flat. It took me getting thesethings in me to see that they didn't make much, if any difference inhow I feel about myself, and since they are causing problemos, outthey come. Check out the 48 Reasons Why Not to get a Boob Job articleon the Humantics website. It was very imformative as well. And remember, I've only had these puppies in for less than 4 years. 4 short years, and already things aren't going well. It appears that there may be a fat-implantation option out there, butI know next to nothing about it. Keep researching, please.Hugs to you,Devon> > > > > > >> > > > > > > In fact, I've been to two consoltations and was just > about > > to > > > > get > > > > > the > > > > > > > Silicone and changed me mind because of a report I read > on >

> > > >

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Ballernia,

I guess I'm a bit confused on your statement that I do not talk about

implant illness? What do you mean by that? I talk about it all the

time....???? Help me understand.

Cherie

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Sue who?The FDA gave all doctors the "thumbs up" to surgically install breast implants.There is no FDA-guideline on HOW to install the breast implants.There is no FDA-guideline on who NOT to install breast implants in.So her surgeon followed the rules.That leaves her suing the FDA.Alone? That would be expensive for one woman to take on. Re: Re: I'm new here and considering Breast Augmentation

I know there is no amount of money that can make up for what you have been through, but coulndn't you sue anyway??? Just so you could pay medical bills?DGRAHAMAAOL (DOT) COM wrote: Right now, I have saline implants in, they are 8 yrs old and my heart is too weak to have surgery to have them taken out ! ! ! I am 53, have a pacemaker/defibrill ator implanted in my left chest with 3 wires into my heart so it can shock it when it stops or quivers from v-fib. It has gone off 12 times so far......... When I get these toxic time bombs out, I plan on doing what ever it takes and in my power to detox and maintain a healthy lifestyle in hopes of reversing much of this health crisis. I also have lupus and stage 2 chronic kidney failure, caused from the lupus I got from the chemicals in silicone. They call it chemically stimulated lupus.

Right now

I am patiently waiting on my heart to heal some more from my last heart attack, the end of july. I plan to explant the second I have cardiac clearance. I have to travel to Georgia to have this done. Dr Kolb is my hero, she is willing, able, and an angel. No one in Texas will touch me with my heart being so weak....... from safe silicone implants.... ...I had a massive silicone rupture back in 1994. Since these salines are also silicone, I have continued to go downhill since then........ I am determined to get better, and I will ! ! Hugs

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Make sure you check out Dr. Zuckerman's site, as she exposes

the flaws in these research reports. She's got many listed on this

site.

http://www.breastimplantinfo.org/what_know_4.html

Patty

>

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there is

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I think she means with your friends who have implants?

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I only have two friends that have them and I have told them

everything. As a matter of fact, my friend who came with me to Denver

to take of care of me has them and has watched me be sick for a year

now.

Still confused......

Cherie

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Good for you! In any case, I think Ballerina's point is valid (maybe

she got the wrong name.) I've heard quite a few women who were sick

relate that when they start talking about their illness with their

implanted friends, they are treated differently...like there is

something wrong with them! I've known the feeling....I've also been

treated " differently " because my experience doesn't line up with what

everyone thinks is the truth. Family members and friends don't

believe implants can make people sick because the doctors say so, and

that I'm just making my illness out to be worse than it is, or that

I've blamed the wrong thing for my health problems. It's very

frustrating!!!!!

Patty

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Patty,

Oh I understand where she is coming from, I have experienced that

myself however....it doesn't stop me! I was just confused on how she

thought that was me.

Cherie

-- In , " glory2glory1401 "

<glory2glory1401@...> wrote:

>

> Good for you! In any case, I think Ballerina's point is valid

(maybe

> she got the wrong name.) I've heard quite a few women who were

sick

> relate that when they start talking about their illness with their

> implanted friends, they are treated differently...like there is

> something wrong with them! I've known the feeling....I've also

been

> treated " differently " because my experience doesn't line up with

what

> everyone thinks is the truth. Family members and friends don't

> believe implants can make people sick because the doctors say so,

and

> that I'm just making my illness out to be worse than it is, or that

> I've blamed the wrong thing for my health problems. It's very

> frustrating!!!!!

>

> Patty

>

> > > > > This test should be done on all people getting any

type

> > of

> > > > implant

> > > > > prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman.

You

> > have

> > > > found

> > > > > many good sites with

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Patty,

I think most implanted women feel uneasy about being told of possible problems. . . i.e., if they don't think about it, it won't happen.

Still, they need to know. I've found it easier to educate them by talking about MY experience. . . I never ask them if they have a problem. Even if they do, they're not likely to admit it. However, the seed is planted. When the time comes they need some help, hopefully they won't waste time running from doctor to doctor being told implants are safe.

Hugs,

Rogene

December 28, 2007

, You wouldn't believe what I'm doing to get better. I've been

to over 20 doctors, paid close to $70,000 in medical

bills/alternative treatments and this is all coming from a woman who

had an average of one cold a year for 38 years. I prided myself in

my health, yet took it for granted as I never imagined my health

could be the state it is in now.

This is what I have resorted to in order to get better: craniosacral

therapy, lymphatic massage, excruiating eye exams with all types of

equipment that I never even knew existed, hypnotherapy, laser

therapy, ionic foot baths, colonics, far infrared sauna therapy,

heavy metal chelation, coffee enemas, liver flushes, skin brushing,

NAET therapy, kinesiology, EFT, autonomic response therapy, Xalatan

medication for high intraocular pressure, restricting my diet to no

sugar/no fruit, giving up makeup and perfume because I couldn't

tolerate it due to chemical sensitivity, etc. etc. I'm sure there is

much I am forgetting. Most of these therapies are alternative

because mainstream medicine has no idea what to do for us.

My point is that I went from a typical All-American upper-middle

class woman who was in the prime of her life, to a woman who now

spends most of her day at home trying desperately to regain her

health. This is how I expected my life to be at 80, not at 39. You

can go to www.myspace.com/carlinwagner to see what my life used to be

like.

You ask if I'm getting better? Unfortunately I haven't seen much

improvement but I've only been explanted 8 months and I've heard it

can take 18 mos or longer to feel well again. I'm trying to remain

positive because as diligent as I've been, my body has to be healing,

I just know it.

I am so thankful you decided against this and are giving yourself

facials/massages instead. You, your family and friends are so

blessed for that decision!! It makes me smile knowing you are

healthy! Love, PH

This test should be done on all

> people getting any type of implant

> > prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman. You have

> found

> > many good sites with awesome info on them !

> > Love Dede

> >

> > ---------------------------------

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> winter.

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I hope your insurance is covering all of this. perfecthealth68 <perfecthealth68@...> wrote: , You wouldn't believe what I'm doing to get better. I've been to over 20 doctors, paid close to $70,000 in medical bills/alternative treatments and this is all coming from a woman who had an average of one cold a year for 38 years. I prided myself in my health, yet took it for granted as I never imagined my health could be the state it is in now.This is what I have resorted to in order to get better:

craniosacral therapy, lymphatic massage, excruiating eye exams with all types of equipment that I never even knew existed, hypnotherapy, laser therapy, ionic foot baths, colonics, far infrared sauna therapy, heavy metal chelation, coffee enemas, liver flushes, skin brushing, NAET therapy, kinesiology, EFT, autonomic response therapy, Xalatan medication for high intraocular pressure, restricting my diet to no sugar/no fruit, giving up makeup and perfume because I couldn't tolerate it due to chemical sensitivity, etc. etc. I'm sure there is much I am forgetting. Most of these therapies are alternative because mainstream medicine has no idea what to do for us.My point is that I went from a typical All-American upper-middle class woman who was in the prime of her life, to a woman who now spends most of her day at home trying desperately to regain her health. This is how I expected my life to be at 80, not at 39. You

can go to www.myspace.com/carlinwagner to see what my life used to be like.You ask if I'm getting better? Unfortunately I haven't seen much improvement but I've only been explanted 8 months and I've heard it can take 18 mos or longer to feel well again. I'm trying to remain positive because as diligent as I've been, my body has to be healing, I just know it.I am so thankful you decided against this and are giving yourself facials/massages instead. You, your family and friends are so blessed for that decision!! It makes me smile knowing you are healthy! Love, PH This test should be done on all > people getting any type of implant> > prior to implantation. B, you are a very wise woman.

You have > found> > many good sites with awesome info on them ! > > Love Dede> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > See AOL's top rated recipes and easy ways to stay in shape for > winter.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> >> > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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That's a great attitude to embrace what you have. As far as you having a blonde moment, I don't know about that!. It's so seductive going there. The staff is catering to you; you see these pictures of what you could have; it makes you feel younger; you just want to be beautiful and there is this surgeon telling you you can have it all! Now I have to go back and call the surgeons I went to see and tell them I'm not going to pursue it. DGRAHAMA@... wrote: Sunshower ~ Honey, all, yes, ALL implants cause problems ! ! So far from my research, titanium has been the least problematic, but that is metal ! ! Some breast augs feel as hard as metal tho...... The surgeon that has been doing breast augs for 30 years is telling you a lie ! ! He doesnt deserve the time of day from you. He lied to you to pad his pocket ! ! ! There is NO way in hell that any surgeon that has

been doing BA surgery for 30 years hasnt seen anyone ill from it. He is a pinocchio, and I hope his nose grows and consumes his face for that ! ! I was lied to as well. My implanting surgeon was the best in town, did beautiful surgery. I saw many pics. Well, stupid me, of course he only showed me the good photos........and not the screw ups........ geeze, what a blonde moment I had when I believed him. Also, the only person that ever had a rupture was someone that theirs ruptured in a car wreck.......also a

lie......... Did you know that there are 170,000 men in a class action lawsuit for " man part " implants that made them sick? God made us all perfect in our own unique special way, and that is a blessing. Embrace it, love you, and loose the greedy liars... I have a long history of breast implant illness, have had silicone and saline, and a massive rupture of silicone with many, many surgeries removing silicone, cystic masses with silicone in them, lymph node removal, gangrene, the list goes on........and on and on..... Hugs N Prayers ~

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