Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi there Ken, Well, 30 carbs are 30 carbs. That much is true - but - now comes the crunchers. The brown breat is not made with white flour and will give you a slower sugar release. The yummy cake will give you a real quick shot because it also has white sugar and white flour. Pay attention to " total carbs " and not " net carbs " . I don't know about Canada but, in the U.S. there are no standards for what constitutes " Net Carbs " . Now that I have really muddied the water Pat, or Harry can hop in and unsnarl my mess. Cy, the Ancient Okie... r Just don't have any ideas re what to eat and what not to eat! I am a relatively new type 2 diabetic. I am getting used to what to eat with one acception and that is how do I differencia between 30 carbs of say 2 pieces of brown bread, and that of say, 30 carbs of chocolate? I mean I don't understand how the chocolate can differ to that of bread ....after all, they're both only 30 carbs each right? I suspect that the chocolate is sugar loaded and the bread is not loaded with this direct sugar gotten from the choclate! I thought that if I watched only my carbs in general, I'd be alright but now as I said, suspect that the direct sugar is much more dangerous than the bread example. Cy, or anone else please comment on my delema...would appreciate it a lot. Ken B in toronto. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > Hello > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in females, or > do males get too? > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 A fellow member of this list serve has compiled a carb guide, and I will be glad to send you a copy of it via an email attachment if you wish. There are different kinds of carbohydrates. There are naturally occurring ones and refined ones. The refined carbohydrates get into the blood system much faster than those that are " natural " . Thus refined carbohydrates cause the glucose levels in the blood stream to spike, rise rapidly and high, whereas carbohydrates that are natural cause a slower absorption into the blood stream causing less of a rapid rise in the glucose level and a more gradual spike. The diabetic only needs to know that insulin only works on carbohydrates no matter whether they are natural or refined. The body converts all carbohydrates into glucose, the simplest type of carbohydrate. The diabetic should avoid all refined carbohydrates or use them as sparingly as possible. Refined carbohydrates include: sugar, flour and any products made with it, corn meal, fruit juices, and any thing white like potatoes and milk. Refined carbohydrates are poison for the diabetic. The diabetic should eat only whole dgrains, meats, cheeses, nuts and vegetables for the most part. These items make excellent salads, and it would be wise for a diabetic to have two or more salads per day. Insulin does not work on protein or fat. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > females, > or > > do males get too? > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 A fellow member of this list serve has compiled a carb guide, and I will be glad to send you a copy of it via an email attachment if you wish. There are different kinds of carbohydrates. There are naturally occurring ones and refined ones. The refined carbohydrates get into the blood system much faster than those that are " natural " . Thus refined carbohydrates cause the glucose levels in the blood stream to spike, rise rapidly and high, whereas carbohydrates that are natural cause a slower absorption into the blood stream causing less of a rapid rise in the glucose level and a more gradual spike. The diabetic only needs to know that insulin only works on carbohydrates no matter whether they are natural or refined. The body converts all carbohydrates into glucose, the simplest type of carbohydrate. The diabetic should avoid all refined carbohydrates or use them as sparingly as possible. Refined carbohydrates include: sugar, flour and any products made with it, corn meal, fruit juices, and any thing white like potatoes and milk. Refined carbohydrates are poison for the diabetic. The diabetic should eat only whole dgrains, meats, cheeses, nuts and vegetables for the most part. These items make excellent salads, and it would be wise for a diabetic to have two or more salads per day. Insulin does not work on protein or fat. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > females, > or > > do males get too? > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 A fellow member of this list serve has compiled a carb guide, and I will be glad to send you a copy of it via an email attachment if you wish. There are different kinds of carbohydrates. There are naturally occurring ones and refined ones. The refined carbohydrates get into the blood system much faster than those that are " natural " . Thus refined carbohydrates cause the glucose levels in the blood stream to spike, rise rapidly and high, whereas carbohydrates that are natural cause a slower absorption into the blood stream causing less of a rapid rise in the glucose level and a more gradual spike. The diabetic only needs to know that insulin only works on carbohydrates no matter whether they are natural or refined. The body converts all carbohydrates into glucose, the simplest type of carbohydrate. The diabetic should avoid all refined carbohydrates or use them as sparingly as possible. Refined carbohydrates include: sugar, flour and any products made with it, corn meal, fruit juices, and any thing white like potatoes and milk. Refined carbohydrates are poison for the diabetic. The diabetic should eat only whole dgrains, meats, cheeses, nuts and vegetables for the most part. These items make excellent salads, and it would be wise for a diabetic to have two or more salads per day. Insulin does not work on protein or fat. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > females, > or > > do males get too? > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi cy and Harry; Cy, thanks for your opinion and Harry I would love to have a carb chart or whatever. Sounds like I have to avoid these fine floured and sugared products. Good night Cy and Harry and will be looking for your chart Harry. Cheers; Ken b uyeast infection > > > > > > > > Hello > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in females, or > do males get too? > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 There is a thing called the blycemic index or the GI for each type of food. It simply means that foods breakdown into glucose at different rates. The higher the index number the more rapidly it will be broken down into glucose in the blood stream. The standard is made with one slice of white bread at a 100. The white potato has a GI of 115 and the sweet potato has a GI of 70. It just means that some foods are better for you than others when it comes to considering their glycemic index. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > females, > or > > do males get too? > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 so the difference between the reg. potato and sweet potato is that the sweet one is ok for you? or is it the reg. one/? that is confusing for me to follow.and to understand. uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > females, > > or > > > do males get too? > > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Hi, Harry, Could you e-mail a copy of the carb guide to me also? April Reisinger kars1414@... uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > females, > > or > > > do males get too? > > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Harry, Although my daily blood readings have been very good lately, I would appreciate please a copy of the carb guide that you have. My Email address is: adrian.rowe5@... . uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > females, > > or > > > do males get too? > > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 It is kind of like golf. The higher your score, the worse you are; the lower the score, the better off you are. The standard is 100 for the GI. uyeast infection >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hello >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in >> > females, >> > or >> > > do males get too? >> > > > and how can it be controlled? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 I too would like a copy of the carb thing taht every one is requesting. uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 Is that for the day? The 100 I mean? Or is that for each meal? April uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 I didn't know you were a diabetic my dear. I am so sorry. --Dar --Every Saint has a Past, Every Sinner has a Future uyeast infection >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Hello >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in >> > females, >> > or >> > > do males get too? >> > > > and how can it be controlled? >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 That is for each food item. You probably eat several food items per meal, so you figure the GI for each item you eat. uyeast infection >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hello >> >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in >> >> > females, >> >> > or >> >> > > do males get too? >> >> > > > and how can it be controlled? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 That is for each food item. You probably eat several food items per meal, so you figure the GI for each item you eat. uyeast infection >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Hello >> >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in >> >> > females, >> >> > or >> >> > > do males get too? >> >> > > > and how can it be controlled? >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > >> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 you know I'm thinking the same that you are asking. uyeast infection > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hello > > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > >> > females, > > >> > or > > >> > > do males get too? > > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 you know I'm thinking the same that you are asking. uyeast infection > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Hello > > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > >> > females, > > >> > or > > >> > > do males get too? > > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 who are you referring to? gina, aren't you from another olist? uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 30 grams of carbs are 30 grams of carbs regardless if it is chocolate or bread. Regards, uyeast infection > > > > > > > > Hello > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in females, or > do males get too? > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 the online USDA searchable food database is the best around. The limited list harry has was derived from it and compiled by Dean Masters on list here. Check the real deal out at: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ also check out www.calorieking.com for carb counts on name brand foods. Both sites are accessibel using a screen reader. Regards, uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > females, > > or > > > do males get too? > > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 the online USDA searchable food database is the best around. The limited list harry has was derived from it and compiled by Dean Masters on list here. Check the real deal out at: http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/ also check out www.calorieking.com for carb counts on name brand foods. Both sites are accessibel using a screen reader. Regards, uyeast infection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello > > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > > females, > > or > > > do males get too? > > > > and how can it be controlled? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 The GI is not a total carbohydrate count. It is a measure of the rate, I emphasize rate, at which carbohydrates of each food are broken down to glucose in the blood stream. It is important not to confuse the total carbohydrate count with the blycemic index. They are quite different and measure different things. For a diabetic the total number of carbohydrates is what you really need to know, not the net carbs, since your body converts the total number of carbohydrates into glucose. If you eat a food item that contains say 40 grams of carbs, like a potato, then the total number of carbs in that potato are converted into glucose. If you purrchase a food bar which claims to have only 8 grams of net carbs in it, and you inspect the label in closer detail and learn it contains a total of 18 grams of total carbs, then your body converts the total of 18 grams of carbs into glucose, and not just the 8 grams of net carbs. uyeast infection >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Hello >>> >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in >>> >> > females, >>> >> > or >>> >> > > do males get too? >>> >> > > > and how can it be controlled? >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > >>> >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 that is for the food/white bread it is its gi. Really though, the glucimic index is ok to know about but it is not crucial for diabetic control. Main thing is keep your 2 hour post meal sugar 120 or less by limiting carbs at each meal and your a1c will be between 5.0 to 5.5. It really is that simple... if your sugar, 2 hours past eating, is not 120 or less, 6.6 Canadian, then cut yoru carbs back at that meal. if you consistantly keep your 2 hour post meal test 120 or less you will have no future diabetic complications. Most diabetics can eat only around 30 grams of carbs at each meal to get a 2 hour post meal test of 120 or less. Regards, uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 that is for the food/white bread it is its gi. Really though, the glucimic index is ok to know about but it is not crucial for diabetic control. Main thing is keep your 2 hour post meal sugar 120 or less by limiting carbs at each meal and your a1c will be between 5.0 to 5.5. It really is that simple... if your sugar, 2 hours past eating, is not 120 or less, 6.6 Canadian, then cut yoru carbs back at that meal. if you consistantly keep your 2 hour post meal test 120 or less you will have no future diabetic complications. Most diabetics can eat only around 30 grams of carbs at each meal to get a 2 hour post meal test of 120 or less. Regards, uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2005 Report Share Posted January 18, 2005 that is for the food/white bread it is its gi. Really though, the glucimic index is ok to know about but it is not crucial for diabetic control. Main thing is keep your 2 hour post meal sugar 120 or less by limiting carbs at each meal and your a1c will be between 5.0 to 5.5. It really is that simple... if your sugar, 2 hours past eating, is not 120 or less, 6.6 Canadian, then cut yoru carbs back at that meal. if you consistantly keep your 2 hour post meal test 120 or less you will have no future diabetic complications. Most diabetics can eat only around 30 grams of carbs at each meal to get a 2 hour post meal test of 120 or less. Regards, uyeast infection > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Hello > >> > > > I know this is not a cool topic, but I guess it's common in > >> > females, > >> > or > >> > > do males get too? > >> > > > and how can it be controlled? > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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