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Michele,

Some hospitals give that hep shot without telling it. I know of two that

were and will still try it on younger moms.

Love and Blessings,

Ellen

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> I don't think so, just the DPT about 3 weeks ago

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> Did he have his hep shot at birth??

> christina

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, I have heard the same thing as well. I mentioned here a few backs

that I was so worried about this that I called the hospital to see what my

baby's records indicated.

Kathleen

In a message dated 7/9/2001 8:21:36 AM Central Daylight Time,

meharv84@... writes:

> Michele,

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> Some hospitals give that hep shot without telling it. I know of two that

> were and will still try it on younger moms.

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> Love and Blessings,

> Ellen

> The Misguided One

> meharv84@...

> I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

> not always right.

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> Learn more about my people at

> http://chicora-waccamaw.com/

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Sometimes they give the hep b shot at birth and they don't even tell you.

At 09:52 PM 7/8/01 +0000, you wrote:

>Did he have his hep shot at birth??

>christina

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>> Oh, I " m not doubting it at all, I just wondered how it would work,

>is all. .

>> . but he has cried and cried and cried ever since he was born; they

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>> told her it was colic all along. I think he has had this problem

>since he

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>> It can cause the lining around the brain to swell, it can cause

>SIDS, so why

>> would it not cause bleeding?

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>> Love and Blessings,

>> Ellen

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At 08:05 AM 7/9/01 -0500, you wrote:

>Michele,

>

>Some hospitals give that hep shot without telling it. I know of two that

>were and will still try it on younger moms.

>

>Love and Blessings,

> Ellen

>The Misguided One

>meharv84@...

>I believe that what is right is not always popular and what is popular is

>not always right.

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Yes, I certainly was clueless, they could have gotten me to sign for any

vax, I trusted the drs! And, I'm an older mom, not a younger mom. They

could have vaxed him from here to Timbuctoo and I would have thought they

were 'protecting' him.

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It shouldn't surprise me, but it still does.. why the witch hunters are

investigating when a diagnosis hasn't been made. I am praying for your family.

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They get their doctors to make the diagnoses.Thank you for the prayers and

remember the others going through it too, please.

Love and Blessings,

Ellen

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> It shouldn't surprise me, but it still does.. why the witch hunters are

investigating when a diagnosis hasn't been made. I am praying for your

family.

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But surely they would record the injection in the baby's hospital records if

they did do it, right?

Kathleen

In a message dated 7/11/2001 12:05:27 AM Central Daylight Time,

moira@... writes:

> Sometimes they give the hep b shot at birth and they don't even tell you.

>

> At 09:52 PM 7/8/01 +0000, you wrote:

> >Did he have his hep shot at birth??

> >christina

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yes should have been reported to health dept also.

Love and Blessings,

Ellen

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Congratulations! -dz-

--- Raf <rafheule@...> wrote:

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> I never thought I still would get a baby at my

> age.

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> Raf

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Wow Joanne...that is awesome....what a blessing that baby was to the entire team. But to think the mother had so much against her to begin with! Incredible odds.....she truly WAS a winner! But the baby....how precious that her Mom fought the battle for her!

debby

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Ah... A baby : )) WONDERFUL!!!!!! You are very very lucky. It isnot many that get to have a baby when they are ill with liver disease...socount your blessings..including that little bundle you are carrying. I amsure they can set things up so that they can be right there if you start tobleed and they can stop it.... My docs had a women with PBC have ababy....they were all so excited you would have thought it was their baby.That babys picture has a special place on their wall and in their scrapbook!!!!! Oh....and she had also already had a kidney Tx to boot....andwaiting for a liver.... So...rejoice and be happy. Joanne C Owner

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Thank you all for your good wishes on my nephew's birth !

Fania

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Congrats on the new nephew, Fania!

Roxanna

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> Hi Colleen,

>

> Baby is due the 29th of March.

Ooh, two days after my birthday! We have 6 family birthdays in March!

> is anxious to leave this cold weather and reads the Orlando

temp to me every morning.

Sounds like he's pretty excited about going too! It'll be good to get

away from things for a little while.

> Think I mentioned doing the little duckies floating on 'water' as

> favors for the shower...

Yes, they sound sooo cute! Good luck getting the order done before

you leave.

You will have to post pics of the new little one, with Val's

permission of course! But hey, who doesn't want to show off their

precious baby!! :) Wishing her well!

Colleen

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Jeanine, she is just beautiful! How many other grands do you have?

Shaye

Baby

, Val will be so pleased that someone likes the name. She read

it in a book awhile back. Don't know where the Marie came from. Dr.

Burns started induction around six on Monday and baby was born at ten

thirty am on Tuesday. She is a little doll with her chubby cheeks

but biiiig feet. She's feeding well (Val is breast feeding) and all

parts seem to be working. Coming home today so DH will see the

baby. Val lives in the little house behind ours so it'll be easy to

watch the baby progress. And yes, hope she's a soaper.

Granddaughter Jackie wants to start helping so I may just take her up

on it.

I had made some lavender/oatmeal soap with shea butter (no color) and

it is ready to be used. Hope it will be good for the baby.

Now it's time to get to some serious soaping. With the baby and

vacation I've fallen behind.

I posted a picture of Vadel in my photo folder if anyone would likje

to see her.

Jeanine

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Jeanine

She's precious!! My 8 month old granddaughter lives a couple of blocks

away from me so I get to see her a lot also. I babysit at least 10 hours

a week so she really knows her Grandma!! Today we took her to the mall

and had her picture taken with the Easter Bunny. Tomorrow I will be

scanning it into my computer so my daughter can email them to people.

I'll be sure to put one in my photo folder in our group so everyone can

take a peek. I don't think I've posted one since she was about a month

old. It seems like just yesterday and can't believe she's 8 months old

already. We bought her the cutest bathing suit today and I bought her a

baby floaty with a sun cover for our pool. She'll be spending a lot of

time in it this summer. She loves the water. I've taught numerous kids

to swim over the years. But I firmly believe in not letting them go

under water until at least age 2 due to ear infection possibilities.

Enjoy that precious little one and I'm glad to hear they're home!!

Baby

, Val will be so pleased that someone likes the name. She read

it in a book awhile back. Don't know where the Marie came from. Dr.

Burns started induction around six on Monday and baby was born at ten

thirty am on Tuesday. She is a little doll with her chubby cheeks

but biiiig feet. She's feeding well (Val is breast feeding) and all

parts seem to be working. Coming home today so DH will see the

baby. Val lives in the little house behind ours so it'll be easy to

watch the baby progress. And yes, hope she's a soaper.

Granddaughter Jackie wants to start helping so I may just take her up

on it.

I had made some lavender/oatmeal soap with shea butter (no color) and

it is ready to be used. Hope it will be good for the baby.

Now it's time to get to some serious soaping. With the baby and

vacation I've fallen behind.

I posted a picture of Vadel in my photo folder if anyone would likje

to see her.

Jeanine

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Jeanine, Congratulations to you and Val! She is just beautiful. And be sure to

tell Val that I think Vadel is a very pretty name.

: ) Ehrhardt

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Hi ,

I am not a doctor but I have to tell you that those early tampon type of

ultrasounds can cause a huge problem in a developing fetus.......if there is

nothing wrong there can be.The fact that they put the wand up the vagina and

the " waves " are literally closer to the fetus can cause lots of problems.I

would wonder why the doctor isn't giving you folic acid to help protect that

baby.The prenatals are critical to the body having the nutrients to " form " a

healthy baby.I wouldn't allow amino either because that can cause a

miscarriage. The prenatal I took was good.....it was Zenate by Solvay

pharmaceuticals.I have no idea if it is still in use but could be worth

checking out. I will pray for you and your baby.

R

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>>I go in for another ultrasound tomorrow. I'm scared.

I would be concerned about having so many ultrasounds.

>>High hCG levels can also mean Spina Bifida

My cousin has a child with spina bifida. He is age 6 now and you

can't really tell.

Try increasing folic acid, it is supposed to help with that.

Also, many times the ultrasound is wrong.

Dana

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Don't want to alarm you, but I have a son with autism and a son with downs.

I have always felt that my youngest , (with DS) was actually my reward

or compensation for having a child with ASD (Ben)! They are so different! I

can remember all the times Ben has given me a spontaneous hug because

they are so rare. on the other hand is always giving hugs! He is such a

people person, so outgoing, friendly and affectionate. He loves everyone and

everyone loves him! Never had any grief from the school because of him,

they are always happy to accomodate his needs and include him in

everything. Ben - well that's another story. Could go on forever about the

fights I've had to have on his behalf. IF you do have a baby with DS, and

remember it's only an IF - it's not as bad as you are probably imagining!

I always felt that this was just a " fluke " and there was no connection but

recent

research has me thinking otherwise now. Do you follow the DAN research

and protocols at all? Dr. Jill was doing a study on kids with DS and

found a flaw in the MTHFR gene that effects methylation (don't ask me to

explain it ! too confusing!). Anyway, she also found that kids with autism (or

many of them at least) have this same flaw (and so do their mothers) and that

is the basis for the latest DAN treatment protocol. I think its methyl B12,

folic

acid, TMG and something else. So there may be a connection after all. The

einstein syndrome web site actually has a good explanation on the

methylation system and what is wrong. You could check this out. It sounds

like providing the proper supps as soon as possible with DS can make a

world of difference for them.

Just some info, just in case. Your baby could well be completely healthy and

fine. I have absolutely no idea about this, but I wonder if taking the same

supps during pregnancy (james protocol) would help at all? Something I'd

check with a " qualified " doctor about, certainly don't go on my speculation!

Feel free to email me if you have any questions.

Laurie

> Hello Everyone. I posted a bit ago that we are " expecting " . Very exciting.

Cleaned up my body, our environment, our habits, etc. Feeling a little tired,

but that's about it. Soo. I go in for a quantitative blood test, I was worrying

about an ectopic pregnancy with my history. The follow up quant. test

indicated that no, my hormone level hCG did not double as supposed to, but

quadrupled. Holy cow, twins? Not quite. A same day ultrasound shows just

one at about 5 weeks and a few days. So, the initial suspicion, that I was

actually two months along and not one, was wrong. And, we can't see

multiples. I go in for another ultrasound tomorrow. I'm scared. High hCG levels

can also mean Spina Bifida ( my Mom has this and it runs strong in her family,

showing up every other generation) or possibly Downs Syndrome. What is

going on? Anyone else experience this? I'm keeping my enzyme, probiotic

routine ( have yet to decide on prenatal supplements, as I've learned more

than I realized with regards to product integrity). You do all you can, and

prepare for another Autistic child if that happens to be the case, but where the

heck do you go for Downs or Spina Bifida? I would never knowingly,

intentionally cause harm to a child, but I feel that's exactly what my husband

and I did, by getting pregnant again. What have we set this child up for? Do I

recover a child from Autism only to go on a crusade to help a child with

Downs? I was horrified by the idea of twins, yet, that seems to pale to my

worry about this hCG thing indicating a possible problem " already " with our

newest addition. As if we don't have enough to worry about. I've found that

with my faithful consumption of enzymes, and not my prior spotty catch as

catch can consumption has alleviated a few aches I was feeling in my legs.

Could be coincidence, but knowing what enzymes can do, I'm inclined to

attribute the benefit to enzymes, also, my eyes are clear again, no yellowness

at all, almost bright white. Can that be attributed to enzymes?

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I was told I had a high risk of having a downs baby with my first son. I

wouldn't let them do blood tests on me for the next 2 kids. I spent my

first pregnancy worried.... I refused the amnio because after doing

research, the risk that the amnio would harm the baby was higher than the

calculated risk of my having a downs baby.

Changed doctors for my next child and was told that doctors can pick up the

problems later on without an amnio anyway. I'm not sure what the high

levels of hCG mean but most of these tests are somewhat subjective. For

example, the blood tests I had done factor in age as well, but not the

health of the mother. Then if you have a calculated risk of 1/200 or

lower, you are considered high risk and they tell you. If you are 1/201 or

higher they don't tell you but in fact you are really just as likely to have

a problem.

I really don't suggest doing lots of tests as they just make you worry.

Don't spend the whole pregnancy worrying about what might be as I do think

that the mental state of the mother has an effect on the child. I wish I

had changed doctors as a more friendly doctor would have answered my

questions and reassured me that the baby was most likely fine since there

are things they look for that signify downs or spinal bifida - neck length,

heart problems... 2nd doctor patiently explained it all to me. Find a good

doctor who is willing to explain everything to you and it should help you

calm down!

My father claims that a child with Downs can be recovered if treated at

birth with certain supplements.... If you are worried about it, please do

some research on what supplements.

I have to agree with the other post I read, watch the ultrasounds. With my

first child, I had an internal early one (doctor told me I was high risk to

lose him then forgot about it by the next appointment - was it really

necessary to scare me????). Then one ultrasound at every checkup. With

number 2 and 3, I didn't go to a doctor until 5 months pregnant. After the

first time, I didn't want the doctors interfering and scaring me to death.

Had about 5 with # 2 and 2 with # 3. Lots of people say they aren't real

good for the baby. If I had to do it all over, I think I'd have 1 or 2 with

each child. The risk just isn't worth it.

Abby

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Abby,

Your father is correct, except that treatment need not start at birth,

although that is certainly preferable. My nephew started treatment

when he was 3, and now he is a " typical " 7-year-old with no signs of

Down's Syndrome. It's pretty amazing what can be done!

> My father claims that a child with Downs can be recovered if treated at

> birth with certain supplements....  If you are worried about it,

> please do

> some research on what supplements.

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So can this be done on older kids as well. Around 10? My in-laws best

friends are raising their Downs grandson.

Abby

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Abby,

Your father is correct, except that treatment need not start at birth,

although that is certainly preferable. My nephew started treatment

when he was 3, and now he is a " typical " 7-year-old with no signs of

Down's Syndrome. It's pretty amazing what can be done!

> My father claims that a child with Downs can be recovered if treated at

> birth with certain supplements....  If you are worried about it,

> please do

> some research on what supplements.

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