Immunizations

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where do you live in florida?

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ft myers...i don't think it is a county thing i think it is a state thing,

since it is done throught the health ept on a state immunization acrd.i think

it is state.

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Hi Sharon:

Do you mind my asking what PRS is, how it affects Meghann? Sounds like you

have your hands full, not just with Meghann but with 5 kids!

Lynn

immunizations

Lynn says

>>Also, something you should know is that chicken pox is a very

serious illness for JRA kids, too. >>

I don't think that can be stressed enough. Meghann was stricken with

chicken pox. Although we got her to the doctor and she was given the

aclovir (Dr said given within the first 24 hours would lessen the affects of

the chicken pox). She had a much more severe case than any of her brothers

or sisters. (They had it 5 years earlier before she was born). She ran

high fevers, vomited in all a very sick little girl. We brought her in once

and was hour to hour phone calls to her pediatrician.

Of course she came off all her meds immediately which of course started off

a flare. Was not a pleasant experience.

On the causes....as we know nobody knows...only speculations. I figure

Meghann had JRA fairly early long before her dx and long before we had any

concerns. When she was a baby she would sometimes yelp when I would change

her diaper. I would be totally befuddled and chalked it up to stomach

problems or something from her g-tube. Although that seemed unlikely it was

the only thing I could contribute it to....JRA was the furthest thought from

my mind.

I do believe in our genetic soup she may have had some tendencies. My mom

has Lupus and my sister possibly has Renauds. There are a few more family

members with RA.

Because Meghann was also born with Pierre Robin Syndrome/Sequence (PRS) the

chances of her being born with isolated PRS was about 20% and80% that it was

present in conjunction with another syndrome, I have constantly been

researching other possibilities. One syndrome called Sticklers (35%of PRS

children have this) does present with arthritis, however it is

osteoarthritis Vs rheumatoid arthritis. At this point she is negative for

the other symptoms of Sticklers. Another possibility was VCFS

(Velo-cardio-facial-syndrome) which can present with both JRA and PRS. We

recently had that one ruled out.

I don't necessarily dwell on the possibility that she got this genetically.

We aren't planning on having any more children; she was #5. However our

children will be having children someday and it would be nice for them to

know if and if so what are their chances they may be passing this along.

Let them decide what they want to do. Personally, there are worse things

that can happen than either of these two conditions; and if this is the

worse hand dealt to them then I hope they deal themselves in.

Sharon and Meghann

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Immunizations

Hi and Everyone:

I have a question, perhaps someone has experience with this subject. I plan on travelling to Costa Rica this winter. I am now faced with the dilemna of whether or not to get shots. I will go to the health unit today to see what shots they suggest, but you know, I do not trust what they are going to tell me, I am sure they have been well brainwashed. I do not want to be a paranoid fool either so I need to do some investigating on my own. I am thinking, "my immune system has just undergone a lot of punishment, do I, or should I, give it a shot in the arm to set it off again." Who knows what ill effect these immunizations have on our body. I have heard more about shots for Hepatitis A than any other ones. Does anyone have any experience with this? I am thinking not to get any shots, just find out the best way to protect myself from getting into situations that have the potential to make me ill. Sheri

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Eli-

I can relate. 's due for her checkup and I'm postponing making the appt. because I'm so paranoid of immunizations causing a flare.

Diane (, 3, pauci)

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Okay this probably will sound like a stupid question(especially

considering I am a nurse) but I need to know. (I work with adults not

kids so this is out of my area). Anyway, I know my daughter can't

have the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine because it is a live

vaccine. She takes MTX, Enbrel and Pred among others. But her 5 y.o.

brother has not had the disease yet (amazing because he slept in the

same bed with his 13 y.o. brother on vacation 2 yrs ago before we

knew he had them); but then she didn't get them then either (her

titier is negative.. Anyways, I was thinking I should get him

vaccinated to decrease her risk but can she " catch " them because of

that? I know that the child getting the vaccine is at risk? He is

also supposed to get some other vaccines before kindergarten. Do they

put her at risk? I hate to put him at risk for disease because I have

seen the horrible effects of pertussis, polio etc but I won't put her

at risk either.

Thanks for any input. I need to check with the health department too.

But I know people who have " been there, done that " can tell you so

much more.

e

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Hi e,

I don't know how much help I can be, but if it was me, I would have my other

child get the immunization.  Easy for me to say - I only have one child.  Rob

did get the chickenpox immunization long before he developed JRA.  Even with

that, when tested, his titer was low.  (Either because of his meds, or because

it was dormant because of no exposure) They were not really sure.  But, when

there was a suspected case of chickenpox in his daycare, his pediatrician had me

pull him out of there because she said that if he caught chickenpox, he would

require hospitalization because his immune system is so compromised by his meds

that he would be deathly ill.  Luckily, it was a false alarm, the other child

didn't have chickenpox.  But, his pediatrician had told me he would need to stay

out of pre-school for ten days following any child being diagnosed with

chickenpox because the risk was too great.  

There has been a lot of discussion about immunizations and there connection with

arthritis among the group, and I have my concerns as well.  My grandfather had

polio, and my grandmother lost two babies to it - so I support the giving of

immunizations.  We just don't know what causes this ( I am kind of responding to

the " Why my child " post now.) - but since it is an autoimmune disorder - I am

with the group that kind of thinks that this was something dormant in my son,

and anything that triggers the immune system can trigger the disease - and that

includes so many things like a bee sting, injury, illness, and who knows what

else I think it would have happened regardless.  My son also has Minimal Change

Disease, which affects his kidneys, this too was triggered by something

triggering the immune system.  A bee sting, an immunization or illness can

trigger a flare of the kidney problem as well.  So it is part of him - one of

his " crosses to bear " as my grandmother would put it, were she still here.

 There is a viral arthritis - and it does go away on it's own - maybe the one's

who develop the type that doesn't go away following an immunization are the

one's who would have developed it at one time or another when something else

triggered the body to react the way that it does.  Who knows?

I honestly don't think that children outside of a research study are being given

things experimentally - because that type of research would not benefit the

person doing it - because in order to move forward with what ever they are

researching they have to be able to publish the results - or make them public in

order to be able to market the medication they are testing, or to announce their

discovery.  Just my two cents.

Hugs to all.

Val

Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

In a message dated Wed, 15 May 2002  2:15:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

" boundforlondon " <gktriplej@...> writes:

>Okay this probably will sound like a stupid question(especially

>considering I am a nurse) but I need to know. (I work with adults not

>kids so this is out of my area). Anyway, I know my daughter can't

>have the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine because it is a live

>vaccine. She takes MTX, Enbrel and Pred among others. But her 5 y.o.

>brother has not had the disease yet (amazing because he slept in the

>same bed with his 13 y.o. brother on vacation 2 yrs ago before we

>knew he had them); but then she didn't get them then either (her

>titier is negative.. Anyways, I was thinking I should get him

>vaccinated to decrease her risk but can she " catch " them because of

>that? I know that the child getting the vaccine is at risk? He is

>also supposed to get some other vaccines before kindergarten. Do they

>put her at risk? I hate to put him at risk for disease because I have

>seen the horrible effects of pertussis, polio etc but I won't put her

>at risk either.

>

>Thanks for any input. I need to check with the health department too.

>But I know people who have " been there, done that " can tell you so

>much more.

>

>e

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I am not sure about the chicken pox,but I do know MMR and DPaT and inactive

Polio can not be passed.Even with the MMR if your child gets the fever and

the rash they really dont have measles and they cant give it to anyone.I do

know there is a chance you might get a few pox from the chicken pox

vaccine,but it is supposed to be very mild,I also know that the chicken pox

vaccine is not 100%you can still catch it but again its supposed to be mild.

boundforlondon wrote:

> Okay this probably will sound like a stupid question(especially

> considering I am a nurse) but I need to know. (I work with adults not

> kids so this is out of my area). Anyway, I know my daughter can't

> have the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine because it is a live

> vaccine. She takes MTX, Enbrel and Pred among others. But her 5 y.o.

> brother has not had the disease yet (amazing because he slept in the

> same bed with his 13 y.o. brother on vacation 2 yrs ago before we

> knew he had them); but then she didn't get them then either (her

> titier is negative.. Anyways, I was thinking I should get him

> vaccinated to decrease her risk but can she " catch " them because of

> that? I know that the child getting the vaccine is at risk? He is

> also supposed to get some other vaccines before kindergarten. Do they

> put her at risk? I hate to put him at risk for disease because I have

> seen the horrible effects of pertussis, polio etc but I won't put her

> at risk either.

>

> Thanks for any input. I need to check with the health department too.

> But I know people who have " been there, done that " can tell you so

> much more.

>

> e

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Two weeks ago, my 5 year old with JRA, was given the MMR booster. This is a live vaccine and she should have gotten exempted from having to have this since she is on methotrexate. When on methotrexate, you cannot have the live vaccines which include the chicken pox and the MMR. The polio can be live but usually is not. I had read this but completely forgot. Nikki could not receive her methotrexate shot for 2 weeks and we have had to watch her closely to see if she would get the measles. So far, she has not and is probably ok. The infectious disease folks at the Children's hospital said it would occur in the first 2 weeks after the immunization. They said that 97% are immune from the first MMR which is given at 15 months and this was just catching the other 3%. We are praying that Nikki will not get the measles but I was very upset we had to miss the methotrexate for 2 weeks b/c it is really working well for Nikki.

Chris

Re: immunizations

Okay this probably will sound like a stupid question(especially

considering I am a nurse) but I need to know. (I work with adults not

kids so this is out of my area). Anyway, I know my daughter can't

have the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine because it is a live

vaccine. She takes MTX, Enbrel and Pred among others. But her 5 y.o.

brother has not had the disease yet (amazing because he slept in the

same bed with his 13 y.o. brother on vacation 2 yrs ago before we

knew he had them); but then she didn't get them then either (her

titier is negative.. Anyways, I was thinking I should get him

vaccinated to decrease her risk but can she " catch " them because of

that? I know that the child getting the vaccine is at risk? He is

also supposed to get some other vaccines before kindergarten. Do they

put her at risk? I hate to put him at risk for disease because I have

seen the horrible effects of pertussis, polio etc but I won't put her

at risk either.

Thanks for any input. I need to check with the health department too.

But I know people who have " been there, done that " can tell you so

much more.

e

[Guest guest]

If your pediatrician is aware that your child has JRA, make it a point to have him call your rheumy to make sure they can have the immunization. I had that same problem just this past month. My daughter, (systemic 5) had to have her shots and her pedi called her rheumy and her rheumy said she could not have, I think it was the MMR shot. Dont be surprised either if schools question. Make sure the pedi puts on the back of her/his shot record the reason for not being able to have the shot. But it is very important to have pediatrician communicating with Rheumy.

Theresa, West Palm Beach, FL

>From: dbornscheu@... >Reply- > >Subject: Re: immunizations >Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:49:47 EDT > >Eli- > >I can relate. 's due for her checkup and I'm postponing making the >appt. because I'm so paranoid of immunizations causing a flare. > >Diane (, 3, pauci) Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here

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e,

I dont believe your son getting those vaccinations will put your daughter at risk for getting the disease. (I am a nurse too, but i work geriatrics, kids not my area either!!!)LOL. Anyway, I think it would just be him because the live vaccine is injected into him, not her. I would still double check with the doc or the health department, let me know what they say, got me curious now too!!

Tina (s mom)

boundforlondon <gktriplej@...> wrote: Okay this probably will sound like a stupid question(especially considering I am a nurse) but I need to know. (I work with adults not kids so this is out of my area). Anyway, I know my daughter can't have the varicella (chicken pox) vaccine because it is a live vaccine. She takes MTX, Enbrel and Pred among others. But her 5 y.o. brother has not had the disease yet (amazing because he slept in the same bed with his 13 y.o. brother on vacation 2 yrs ago before we knew he had them); but then she didn't get them then either (her titier is negative.. Anyways, I was thinking I should get him vaccinated to decrease her risk but can she "catch" them because of that? I know that the child getting the vaccine is at risk? He is also supposed to get some other vaccines before kindergarten. Do they put her at risk? I hate to put him at risk for disease because I have seen the horrible effects of pertussis, polio etc but I won't put her at risk either.Thanks for any input. I need to check with the health department too. But I know people who have "been there, done that" can tell you so much more.e

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Tina

lolol i cared for my mother in law and father in law when was getting her shots i told the doctor i was doing this and she said to be cautous and dont let drink with them and be VERY sterile around them for 7 days this sent me to the store for plastic plates and spoons so would have her own i was so scared due to the immune system of the elderly i also had to ask them if they had taken the shot before i do know that my father in law go shingles the same virus as chicken pox and caught it from him as chicken pox so beware of this yall i have to say on this subject is a ounce of prevention is worth a pound of precaution kissing breathing on the person is a no no you know how kids are

they sneeze and germs go everywhere lolol i use lysol alot lololol just keeping germs down and the good old saying washing hands helps lolol this is true Robbin

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Michele-

I totally agree with you. I can't criticize doctors for recommending immunizations which prevent such awful diseases (and yes, I watched ER) especially when the risk of serious side effects is so low. Maybe an immunization triggered 's jra, I don't know. But still, based on the information I had at the time, even knowing of potential health risks (the risks of which were so low), I'd have to say I'd still make the same decision. Hindsight is 20/20. You can't second guess yourself. We and our child's doctors were likely just trying to make the best decision possible based upon a weighing of risks.

Diane (, 3, pauci)

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I agree too that we should get our kids vaccinated. I hope no one thought thats what I meant. The only thing that I was trying to say was that something else could be in the needle that wasn't the origanal vaccine. And I didn't want anyone to think that I was critisizing every doctor because I wasn't. I know there are a lot of good doctors, I guess I am just scared of the unknown; the news makes me paranoid when I see on there that doctors are killing people on purpose. Jona mom of na 2 poly

dbornscheu@... wrote: Michele- I totally agree with you. I can't criticize doctors for recommending immunizations which prevent such awful diseases (and yes, I watched ER) especially when the risk of serious side effects is so low. Maybe an immunization triggered 's jra, I don't know. But still, based on the information I had at the time, even knowing of potential health risks (the risks of which were so low), I'd have to say I'd still make the same decision. Hindsight is 20/20. You can't second guess yourself. We and our child's doctors were likely just trying to make the best decision possible based upon a weighing of risks. Diane (, 3, pauci)

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Teri good idea

i know when took her MMR she had a reaction to it and its best to

make sure before you give it the MMR shot i believe has the very tiny words

stateing the side effects and its the one that says arthritis

Robbin

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bound for london

coool glad your daughter is having fun

caught chicken pox from my father in law he was 80 at the time

but he had shingles

we never gave her the vaccine

the way they did me was when i seen the blisters i called the doctor

the nurse said bring her in BUT make sure shes covered up in a blanket we

dont want to give it to everyone well i did as they asked

she got over it a few little scars

we had went in for a check up and was sitting in the waiting room

and i noticed this kid with blisters and asked his mom what was wrong with

him

she said oh its just chicken pox

i must have had the oddest look on my face

she said why do you ask and i told her about when got it

i was so scared at that point that i told the nurse and the nurse said why

didnt you tell us he could possibly have chicken pox

she said oh it is nothing well i told her look chicken pox is serious not

just to the kid but to other kids around them

exspecially a kid with a health problem already

they had me take into a exam room and the mom and kid into another one

i worried for 2 weeks about that

its good your daughter is away from your son for 2 weeks

hope he does good

give him a ice cream for taking the shots

and a big hug

Robbin

[Guest guest]

Thanks Teri,

Robbie's doctor had some of his immunizations delayed because of the steriods

before JRA when he was being treated for his Minimal Change Disease. He also

had immunizations delayed when he was an infant because he was receiving IV

respigam (related, I think to a gamma globulin to prevent RSV - virus that can

be fatal for preemies because their lungs are mature enough to fight the

infection.) He is now current on all of his immunizations - not looking forward

to the next round, though.

Val

Rob's Mom (4,systemic)

In a message dated Fri, 19 Jul 2002 9:36:54 AM Eastern Standard Time,

thepwort@... writes:

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> I know they are quite a few kids on prednisone. resaerching on side

> effects of some immunizations and found this:

> http://kidshealth.org/parent/general/body/vaccine_p7.html

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> MMR

> The MMR vaccine protects against measles, mumps, and rubella (German

> measles).

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> When to Delay or Avoid the Immunization

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> If your child is ill with anything more serious than a cold,

> immunization should be delayed.

> If your child has an allergy to eggs or to the antibiotic neomycin

> that has required medical treatment.

> If your child has received gamma globulin within the past 3 months.

> If your child has immune system problems related to cancer, leukemia,

> or lymphoma; is taking prednisone, steroids, or immunosuppressive

> drugs; or is undergoing chemotherapy or radiation therapy.

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Thirteen months! Wow. I'm so happy for . For all of you. Great news to

hear, especially for those who are new to the JRA experience. Remission can and

does happen. Let's hope her arthritis never returns. Thank you, Teri, for

keeping in touch. And for giving more hope to those whose children have just

recently been diagnosed.

Aloha, Georgina

----- Original Message -----

From: thep115

Thanks for making me think. is due for her MMR. I will call her

rheumy and check with him to see what he thinks about her getting her

shot. We have been in remission for 13 months now and hate to see it

end.

Teri and currently sleeping and sooooo quiet

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Hi Laurel,

Go to cbcutah.com

R

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I suggest reading this site (147 pages):

It has a lot of information.....

See the Th1 and Th2 imbalance/titers on page 7, I believe.

J

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In a message dated 7/28/03 5:02:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

robbiev911@... writes:

>

> They screwed you once SHAME ON THEM they screw you

> twice SHAME ON YOU sorry to be harsh but you CANT

> trust a thing they say . There is proof of thimerisol

> still being in vac. in the 2003 PDR. Where is all the

> old vacc.s They havent been recalled so who,s getting

> them?????????Dont take the chance.

> --- autiemom4 <autiemom4@...> wrote:

> > What is the latest info on immunizations today? Are

> > they safe now?

> > I have autistic children, and am now remarried with

> > a different

> > husband and we are expecting. I have no idea if

> > immunizations is

> > what caused the autism in the children I have

> > already or not. I

> > just want to be very careful.

> >

> > Any info would be appreciated!

> > Laurel

> >

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> What is the latest info on immunizations today? Are they safe now?

Certainly a wide range of opinions on that question.

And it is a complex question. There is the mercury in vaccines

( " thimerosal " ) and then there are the viruses themselves.

Both of these are certainly questionable. A good book on

the subject is " What Your Doctor May NOT Tell You About

Children's Vaccinations " , by Cave MD.

/files/Books_about_autism

This book was written when there were MORE vaccines with

thimerosal. There are still vaccines with thimerosal, just

not as many. It is hard to separate out " which part " in

the vaccine is causing the problem (the mercury? the viruses?

the aluminum? other things?), but certainly vaccines are

associated with BIG big problems. I think Cave's book will

give you a lot to think about. Hard to say how much

the problems will be reduced by reducing thimerosal (or

how much would be improved by actually ELIMINATING

thimerosal, which has not been done.) I would not say

that vaccines are " safe " . At best, I'd say we don't know.

Which is not particularly " good " . They have been a big

problem, and now SOMEWHAT fewer of them have mercury,

so there is no track record that they are " safe " , in

my mind.

> I have autistic children, and am now remarried with a different

> husband and we are expecting. I have no idea if immunizations is

> what caused the autism in the children I have already or not. I

> just want to be very careful.

Best of health to your new baby. You may also want to look

at the list " VACCINATIONS " (on groups). It is largely

geared to parents deciding about whether to vaccinate--- and

is very geared to the RISKS of vaccines.

best,

Moria

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Hi Laurel,

the latest info is that vaccines are not safe.

You can find some info here:

Web sites:

http://www.mercola.com/2002/jan/23/hepatitis_vaccine.htm

www.thinktwice.com

www.909shot.com

http://www.mercola.com/2001/jan/28/mmr_autism.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2000/nov/19/vaccine_sids2.htm

http://www.nitrf.org/autistic.html

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm

Books:

http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/bookstor.htm#vaccine

What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Children's Vaccinations by

Cave, Deborah

Vaccines: Are They Really Safe and Effective? by Neil Z.

both can be ordered from www.amazon.com

Margaret

--- In , " autiemom4 " <autiemom4@y...>

wrote:

> What is the latest info on immunizations today? Are they safe

now?

> I have autistic children, and am now remarried with a different

> husband and we are expecting. I have no idea if immunizations is

> what caused the autism in the children I have already or not. I

> just want to be very careful.

>

> Any info would be appreciated!

> Laurel

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[Guest guest]

I knew there had to be a common denominator somewhere.

There are just way to many children having

difficulties that would be labeled add, adhd, etc.

It's all caused by their immunizations and it makes

soooooooooooooooo much sense. There inducing all these

pschy disorders with their drugs, so they can

prescribe more drugs. I don't know if i have alreadly

said this because the last few days have really been a

whirl wind, but I'M CONVINCED CHRIS' IMMUNIZATION THAT

HE GOT HAS CAUSED EVERTHING! The last one that i have

record of (and i'm getting his full shot records on

Monday) was done in 05/99. He started having OBVIOUS

difficulties about 1 year later. He lost some ability

to reason (totally out of character for my son). Now i

know teen agers go through this, BUT this was a weird

lack of reasoning. His behavior was strange. He ws

obsessed with this girl older than him and she didn't

want to have any thing to do with him. He was getting

beat up by her friends because he wouldn't listen to

her. I remember my daughter in the kitchen screaming,

" SHE DOESN'T LIKE YOU, WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

ABOUT THAT. " My daughter even started crying. I think

she was imbaresed by the situation because she knew

some of the people that were involved. He even became

known as 's stocker. His grades dropped (he was

in pre-cal if that tells you any thing) and he got

kicked off the baseball team. This all took place

about 1 year after the immunization. Something i

discovered the other day is that kids who have autism

don't look at you in the eye. always had a

problem with that. My sister in law pointed that out

to me on several occasions. This was just a small

sign. These immunizations have different effects on

different people depending on the body.

One thing i didn't mention up there is that i remember

when i was in the hospitals and i would meet parents.

I would ask them how old there child is and they would

either say 16 or 17. I got to where i would say, " is

your kiddo 16 or 17? " Kids who have what has are

commonly hit with it at 16 or 17. Well, THAT'S BECAUSE

THEIR GIVEN THAT IMMUNIZATION USUALLY BETWEEN 14 AND

15. I KNEW THERE HAD TO BE A COMMON DENOMINATOR SOME

WHERE! JESUS CHRIST FOLKS, I'M SO ANGRY!!!!! PLEASE,

if you know anyone that could connect what i have i

would love to hear from them.

Connie

[Guest guest]

I knew there had to be a common denominator somewhere.

There are just way to many children having

difficulties that would be labeled add, adhd, etc.

It's all caused by their immunizations and it makes

soooooooooooooooo much sense. There inducing all these

pschy disorders with their drugs, so they can

prescribe more drugs. I don't know if i have alreadly

said this because the last few days have really been a

whirl wind, but I'M CONVINCED CHRIS' IMMUNIZATION THAT

HE GOT HAS CAUSED EVERTHING! The last one that i have

record of (and i'm getting his full shot records on

Monday) was done in 05/99. He started having OBVIOUS

difficulties about 1 year later. He lost some ability

to reason (totally out of character for my son). Now i

know teen agers go through this, BUT this was a weird

lack of reasoning. His behavior was strange. He ws

obsessed with this girl older than him and she didn't

want to have any thing to do with him. He was getting

beat up by her friends because he wouldn't listen to

her. I remember my daughter in the kitchen screaming,

" SHE DOESN'T LIKE YOU, WHAT DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND

ABOUT THAT. " My daughter even started crying. I think

she was imbaresed by the situation because she knew

some of the people that were involved. He even became

known as 's stocker. His grades dropped (he was

in pre-cal if that tells you any thing) and he got

kicked off the baseball team. This all took place

about 1 year after the immunization. Something i

discovered the other day is that kids who have autism

don't look at you in the eye. always had a

problem with that. My sister in law pointed that out

to me on several occasions. This was just a small

sign. These immunizations have different effects on

different people depending on the body.

One thing i didn't mention up there is that i remember

when i was in the hospitals and i would meet parents.

I would ask them how old there child is and they would

either say 16 or 17. I got to where i would say, " is

your kiddo 16 or 17? " Kids who have what has are

commonly hit with it at 16 or 17. Well, THAT'S BECAUSE

THEIR GIVEN THAT IMMUNIZATION USUALLY BETWEEN 14 AND

15. I KNEW THERE HAD TO BE A COMMON DENOMINATOR SOME

WHERE! JESUS CHRIST FOLKS, I'M SO ANGRY!!!!! PLEASE,

if you know anyone that could connect what i have i

would love to hear from them.

Connie