AntIbiotics

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was quoted as having written:

>> So many of the problems people report in this group could be avoided by

using Dr. Brown's gentle methods of introducing the antibiotic. -- <<

Yes, but we are impatient. And if 50mg is good, 100 MUST be better, and if

100 every couple of days is good, 100 every day must be better, and if 100

every day is good, 200 must be better.

Dr. Brown had both a lot more common sense than most of us, he cared for own

our well-being better than most of us.

Patience, patients... patience.

Geoff

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I'd like to say its not just the people on this list. ITS THE DOCTORS!!!

They are the ones who want this over with so they don't have people on this

for 5 or more years. Even my sainted doc Goldstein has put one of the people

I sent to him on Minocin7 days a week! I was so upset. I want the doctors

who are telling the new doctors to do this, o get with the program or there

will not be a program because everyone will have to drop out because the AP

doesn't work anymore. What can we do??

cooky

rheumatic Re: Antibiotics

> was quoted as having written:

>

> >> So many of the problems people report in this group could be avoided by

> using Dr. Brown's gentle methods of introducing the antibiotic. -- Chris

<<

>

> Yes, but we are impatient. And if 50mg is good, 100 MUST be better, and if

> 100 every couple of days is good, 100 every day must be better, and if 100

> every day is good, 200 must be better.

>

> Dr. Brown had both a lot more common sense than most of us, he cared for

own

> our well-being better than most of us.

>

> Patience, patients... patience.

>

> Geoff

> soli Deo gloria

>

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[Guest guest]

I wrote to the company that put out that essay on angiogenesis, and this is

what they wrote back....

cooky

Re: antibiotics

Minocycline like all the tetracycline derivatives have matrix

metalloproteinase inhibitory activities, so they are INHIBITORS not

stimulators of angiogenesis.

>Hi,

>

>I have rheumatoid arthritis and have taken Minocin for 4 1/2 years with

>success. A doctor just recently told another person taking antibiotics that

>it can cause angiogenesis. My question is: Do I have a cause for concern

>since I will be taking antibiotics for the rest of my life.?

>

>Thank you in advance,

>

>ester Stonkey

[Guest guest]

I am also interested in antiibotic treatment for PA. Where was the " cause " of

Arthritis article published?

>>> xmac23@... 8/22/02 12:51:19 PM >>>

Hello again all -

Is anyone undergoing any antibiotic treatment for PA? I have read a

lot about this type of treatment, but I'm still a little skeptical!

Also, did you all see the " cause " of Arthritis article published by a

Harvard researcher. Pretty intereting, but only time will tell if

it's true.

[Guest guest]

> Hello again all -

>

> Is anyone undergoing any antibiotic treatment for PA? I have read a

> lot about this type of treatment, but I'm still a little skeptical!

Hi- I have been on antibiotic treatment for four years now with

excellent results- my PA, which was severe for more than 25 years, is

almost entirely gone. You can find out more about this on the

" rheumatic " group, at www.roadback.org, and at rheumatic.org.

I put my history in the " stories " section at the roadback site.

best regards, Greenly

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I too was so encouraged by your posts about your success with antibiotics

that I decided to talk to my rheumy about it.

At the time I was taking 20 mg of MTX a week with some relief but not a

whole lot. My rheumy said that he had seen studies where antibiotis had

helped people with RA but that he believed that " the reason " they worked

were for different reasons than what followers of the AP believe.

Regardless, he agreed to let me try Minocycline but was reluctant to let me

go off the MTX cold turkey.

So about a year ago I started taking 100MG of Minocycline twice a day.

Within two months I experience marked improvment and relief from the PA. I

have been cutting back regularly on the MTX and am now down to 5 MG a week

and planning to go off completely this October!

I have abousolutely no swelling or pain to speak of... only a tiny bit of

stiffness in the morning which seems to melt away in the shower.

I have experimented with eliminating all grains, sugar, caffiene, alcohol,

and dairy from my diet in conjunction with PA and with an unlcerative

colitis condition without any obvious positive relults from that alone. I do

take a plethora of vitamins and supplements including probiotics, milk

thistle, Omega 3, vit. E, vit. D, multi Vitamin, folic acid. The only other

medication I take is Asacol (for my ulcerative colitis...which is under

control).

Anyway, I guess you can out me down as an antibiotic success story (knock on

wood!).

Thank you!

Amy in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Hi! all,

I have been faithfully following all your stories & taking whatever advice I

can. I am currently in the middle of a massive flare up & off work for a while.

I am trying a Gluten Free diet, with some success...I am wondering about, honey,

banana's, prunes & grape juice. Any idea's anyone. My wrists have had to be

splinted, my left jaw is inflammed, & for the first time I have redness &

flaking around my eyes. I have cut out caffiene, (on decaf) & all flours,

wheats, nightshades. I have prednisone & MTX in the cupboard but was reluctant

to go that way again. (liver problems previously). I did start the cortisone

today in desperation. I also take prothiaden & Voltaren & copious amounts of

Panadiene Forte....somebody please HELP ME!! I am looking for diet success

stories, some mentioned Asian tonite....are peanuts OK? I eat no meat any more,

just fish & chicken.

My finger nails & toe nails are splitting & lined & the skin is growing away

underneath them...it smells horrible, also my navel is inflammed.

Sorry to sound gloomy folks, but I really need some help here, I cannot find

anyone locally for support, just my lovely Mum who looks after me.

Cheers all!.......Robyn 43/f/Queensland/Australia

Charrons <4charrons@...> wrote: Hi ,

I too was so encouraged by your posts about your success with antibiotics

that I decided to talk to my rheumy about it.

At the time I was taking 20 mg of MTX a week with some relief but not a

whole lot. My rheumy said that he had seen studies where antibiotis had

helped people with RA but that he believed that " the reason " they worked

were for different reasons than what followers of the AP believe.

Regardless, he agreed to let me try Minocycline but was reluctant to let me

go off the MTX cold turkey.

So about a year ago I started taking 100MG of Minocycline twice a day.

Within two months I experience marked improvment and relief from the PA. I

have been cutting back regularly on the MTX and am now down to 5 MG a week

and planning to go off completely this October!

I have abousolutely no swelling or pain to speak of... only a tiny bit of

stiffness in the morning which seems to melt away in the shower.

I have experimented with eliminating all grains, sugar, caffiene, alcohol,

and dairy from my diet in conjunction with PA and with an unlcerative

colitis condition without any obvious positive relults from that alone. I do

take a plethora of vitamins and supplements including probiotics, milk

thistle, Omega 3, vit. E, vit. D, multi Vitamin, folic acid. The only other

medication I take is Asacol (for my ulcerative colitis...which is under

control).

Anyway, I guess you can out me down as an antibiotic success story (knock on

wood!).

Thank you!

Amy in Oregon

[Guest guest]

Hi

thanks so much for posting your results. I had not heard of antibiotic treatment

but I sure am going to check into this. I am afraid of the dangerous drugs out

there. I am now on Celebrex which is only deadening the pain some but not all

the way and I am so sick of being in pain all the time. Only time I feel pretty

good is when I am laying down and i cannot do that all the time. I am not happy

with the things that can happen and are happening with Celebrex. My biggest

problem is swollen legs and feet and nothing will make it go away.

I checked that site out and have gotten a couple of names of doctors fairly

close to go to. I am also trying diet with some success but it is not making

the swelling go away. My worse problem is my hands and it scares me to think

that in the near future I may not be able to use either of them.

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[Guest guest]

Hello Robyn

I am sorry that you are being tormented and afflicted

by this horrible disease. I do not know your

background good enough to definately suggest a remedy.

But I will give you my perception of the situation.

1. Strive after spiritual freedom and eternal life.

Get the faith and cherish it deeply. Pray, pray, and

pray.

2. Slowly begin an exercise program. Set in the hot

tub alot.

3. Research how your diet affects PA. I am using the

Asian diet with varied American swing. Stay away from

fat and beef, and most pork. Chicken, fish, and nuts

are the best. You need protein but not to much. The

more protein the more purines. No coffee, tea, or

soft drinks. Water with lemon only. No breads except

for millet breads. Eat alot of honey. Always think

vegetables.

4. Avoid stress. It is a killer.

5. Rest alot.

6. Of course no drinking or drugs or smoking.

7. Always think positive. Make it your goal to beat

the disease.

Enjoy your self as much as you can.

Good Times

in Dallas

--- Robyn Geiger <bobbyg592002@...> wrote:

>

> Hi! all,

> I have been faithfully following all your stories &

> taking whatever advice I can. I am currently in the

> middle of a massive flare up & off work for a while.

> I am trying a Gluten Free diet, with some

> success...I am wondering about, honey, banana's,

> prunes & grape juice. Any idea's anyone. My wrists

> have had to be splinted, my left jaw is inflammed, &

> for the first time I have redness & flaking around

> my eyes. I have cut out caffiene, (on decaf) & all

> flours, wheats, nightshades. I have prednisone & MTX

> in the cupboard but was reluctant to go that way

> again. (liver problems previously). I did start the

> cortisone today in desperation. I also take

> prothiaden & Voltaren & copious amounts of Panadiene

> Forte....somebody please HELP ME!! I am looking for

> diet success stories, some mentioned Asian

> tonite....are peanuts OK? I eat no meat any more,

> just fish & chicken.

> My finger nails & toe nails are splitting & lined &

> the skin is growing away underneath them...it smells

> horrible, also my navel is inflammed.

> Sorry to sound gloomy folks, but I really need some

> help here, I cannot find anyone locally for support,

> just my lovely Mum who looks after me.

> Cheers all!.......Robyn 43/f/Queensland/Australia

> Charrons <4charrons@...> wrote: Hi ,

>

> I too was so encouraged by your posts about your

> success with antibiotics

> that I decided to talk to my rheumy about it.

>

> At the time I was taking 20 mg of MTX a week with

> some relief but not a

> whole lot. My rheumy said that he had seen studies

> where antibiotis had

> helped people with RA but that he believed that " the

> reason " they worked

> were for different reasons than what followers of

> the AP believe.

> Regardless, he agreed to let me try Minocycline but

> was reluctant to let me

> go off the MTX cold turkey.

>

> So about a year ago I started taking 100MG of

> Minocycline twice a day.

> Within two months I experience marked improvment and

> relief from the PA. I

> have been cutting back regularly on the MTX and am

> now down to 5 MG a week

> and planning to go off completely this October!

>

> I have abousolutely no swelling or pain to speak

> of... only a tiny bit of

> stiffness in the morning which seems to melt away in

> the shower.

>

> I have experimented with eliminating all grains,

> sugar, caffiene, alcohol,

> and dairy from my diet in conjunction with PA and

> with an unlcerative

> colitis condition without any obvious positive

> relults from that alone. I do

> take a plethora of vitamins and supplements

> including probiotics, milk

> thistle, Omega 3, vit. E, vit. D, multi Vitamin,

> folic acid. The only other

> medication I take is Asacol (for my ulcerative

> colitis...which is under

> control).

>

> Anyway, I guess you can out me down as an antibiotic

> success story (knock on

> wood!).

>

> Thank you!

> Amy in Oregon

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Robyn

Can you get Dovonex? I have been using this for years for my psoriasis. It is

the only thing that works. You cannot use it on the eyes and I do not know what

you can use for the eyes. Another thing I use for the psoriasis is temovate. It

is a steriod so I am very careful how much I use it. With the steroid it is 2

weeks on and one off. I dont use much.........as I said......so sometimes I dont

go off for the full week but that is only cause I might use it once a day and

only on a stubborn spot. I dont know what to do about nails as I have bad toe

nails also. My finger nails are getting bad also. You can use the Dovonex on the

belly button or get a over the counter cordizone cream. The cream will not work

as good as the Dovonex but it is better than nothing.

Wish you all the luck in the world. Find a good psoriasis doctor to get you what

you need.

Verna

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[Guest guest]

> Hi ,

>

> I too was so encouraged by your posts about your success

with antibiotics

> that I decided to talk to my rheumy about it.

>

> At the time I was taking 20 mg of MTX a week with some relief

but not a

> whole lot. My rheumy said that he had seen studies where

antibiotis had

> helped people with RA but that he believed that " the reason "

they worked

> were for different reasons than what followers of the AP

believe.

> Regardless, he agreed to let me try Minocycline but was

reluctant to let me

> go off the MTX cold turkey.

>

> So about a year ago I started taking 100MG of Minocycline

twice a day.

> Within two months I experience marked improvment and relief

from the PA. I

> have been cutting back regularly on the MTX and am now down

to 5 MG a week

> and planning to go off completely this October!

>

> I have abousolutely no swelling or pain to speak of... only a tiny

bit of

> stiffness in the morning which seems to melt away in the

shower.

>

> I have experimented with eliminating all grains, sugar, caffiene,

alcohol,

> and dairy from my diet in conjunction with PA and with an

unlcerative

> colitis condition without any obvious positive relults from that

alone. I do

> take a plethora of vitamins and supplements including

probiotics, milk

> thistle, Omega 3, vit. E, vit. D, multi Vitamin, folic acid. The only

other

> medication I take is Asacol (for my ulcerative colitis...which is

under

> control).

>

> Anyway, I guess you can out me down as an antibiotic success

story (knock on

> wood!).

>

> Thank you!

> Amy in Oregon

Hi Amy, that's great!! thanks so much for your report!! The

antibiotic people generally say not to combine it with MTX, so it's

very interesting to hear your success with it. It's also interesting

that you had no clear results from diet alone, that was my

experience too (although I have read reports of people who had

success with diet alone). For me, the antibiotic was the key, but

complete success came only when I dealt with the diet too.

Anyway, I'm really thrilled to hear you are doing so well.

best regards,

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi

>

> thanks so much for posting your results. I had not heard of

antibiotic treatment but I sure am going to check into this. ...

> I checked that site out and have gotten a couple of names of

doctors fairly close to go to. I am also trying diet with some

success but it is not making the swelling go away. My worse

problem is my hands and it scares me to think that in the near

future I may not be able to use either of them.

Hi- I hope you can find a good doctor to work with you. I have

heard of some people who had success with diet alone, but not

many. For me the combination of diet and the antibiotic has

been the solution. Whatever you do, don't give up. My hands

were terribly affected for many years, but are just fine now. Most

forms of PA, though causing terrible pain and swelling, do not

cause rapid joint destruction as RA often does. But, get a good

doctor working with you!!!

best regards, Greenly

[Guest guest]

I applied for SSD and yesterday had to see a doctor of their choice. I dont know

what the results will be. Dont have much hope as they took an xray of my hand

and found only a small amount of joint damage. I talked to the doctor and told

him before he did it that he would not find anything. That mine was tendon and

not joint. He gave me a diet to follow that will clear up the ps but not sure it

will help the pa but then it was a no meat or fish. Some suppliments and a salve

i make myself to put on the ps. The diet he gave me is like the one I had been

trying to incorporate but with not 100% success but is for the pa.

It is so hard to give up all meats. I do find that what I eat will cause more

pain as I found out yesterday. One of the things he had on his list of not to

eat was beets which I ate a lot of the day before. When I went to bed I was in

so much pain in my hands and one foot. I could not get comfortable. Salt and

pepper is a no no. Nothing spicy. Everything mild including fruit and veggies.

No accidic fruit. Eat room temperature foods and drinks. Nothing hot or cold. I

dont understand the reason for that and it is hard to do. There is a list of

what to not eat and what to eat. I was surprised on the veggies as I never gave

it a thought that some of the things he listed would cause a problem but I knew

the nightshade family was not good but he has potatos on the list. Only naural

sugar like is found in fruits. He also said that one should clear onself of

stress. Whatever is bothering them to get rid of it. I know that my pa got real

bad when I found out my husband had lung cancer and we could not treat it for

over 2 months due to two operations that he had to go through due to a messed up

biopsy.

He said to leave it all up to God, Budda or whatever one believes or not

believes in. Go outside in a quiet place if possible and close eyes, let head

fall back and take a deep breath. Empty the mind and sit like that for 10

minutes. I have no idea how I would know when 10minutes is up. Do this in the

morning and evening. I do have to say that I have decided to let it all up to

God. I also know that since I finally got to that stage I have been feeling

better mentally. Before that I was a mess trying to figure out what I could do

to keep my hubby around longer. Sorry I went on and on about this. Just wanted

to let you know some of my history and how i got in such bad shape......although

I am not in bad shape compared to some here. I dont want to get that bad so am

changing diet and exercise. Going to try to get that antibiotic treatment.

Cannot get into my doctors till after the weekend. Then have to see if my

insurance will pay for it. Need a good doctor to get that going.

Will let everyone here know how it is all working out. I do believe that what we

eat comes out in bad ways in our bodies. It stays in our small intestines for at

least 24 hours and in that time our bodies take in all the bad along with the

good. Get rid of the bad and I would think that it has to show up good on the

body. Also diet is number 1 on the list of things that cause cancer. Number

2 is smoking and thank goodness I gave that up cold turkey 15 years ago although

I know that even though I quit it can still cause me problems. Stupid thing to

do was start in the first place. Good luck to all in their quest for relief

from this terrible pain.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dave,

You might like to try http://www.1drugstore-online.com/ which Liesl

posted up the other day.

I don't know how the price on this site compares to the price you paid.

They don't require a prescription.

Chris.

On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 03:26 AM, Dave Wood wrote:

> Dear All,

> I need to buy more Minocin / Minocycline and was wondering where I can

> go

> (preferably online) to purchase the best type of Minocin /

> Minocycline. I

> recently bought 100 capsules in the states and paid quite a steep

> price. I

> use the 100mg, I wanted to try the 50mg but was quoted a price of over

> $800.00 US for 100 capsules.

>

> Dave

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Tracey,

Allida here! I don't know about the others, but as of now, the only antibiotic my PCP will allow me to take is the amoxicillian. He says it is the safest antibiotic for the liver, and the easiest for it to deal with. It hasn't knocked out my most recent bout with bronchitis, but I am not through with the entire amount yet, so I am still hoping it will do the trick soon. Best of luck with that toothache. I know how miserable they can be. I hope you find some help today. Keep the faith! A. in North Carolina

[Guest guest]

Perhaps your doctor will give you antifungals simultaneously

> Hi all,

>

> I am pretty much going to have to take the antibiotic, bactrim,

for two

> weeks, since people with Cystic Fibrosis have chronic lung

infections and

> I got one about a week ago that is pretty bad.

>

> My question is, what can I do to minimize the impact that this

antibiotic

> will have on my Candida treatment? Should I be taking probiotics

> concurrently, or is that pointless? Has anyone else had to do this

while

> on the candida program?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Take care,

> Erek

[Guest guest]

Dear Erek,

I had severe pneumonia that wouldn't cure with two rounds of

antibiotics a few years ago, and the only thing that helped was garlic

tea and raw garlic. Garlic is much more powerful than antibiotics; so

is oregano oil and many other natural products.

If you decide to take antibiotics, take probiotics too, but take them 2-

3 hrs. apart from taking the antibiotics. They used to make

antibiotics coated with nystatin because they " knew " it caused candida.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Hi Erek

Because of some chronic gastric disorders, and recurring bacterial

infections, I've had to take antibiotics fairly often these past 16 months.

I prefer not to, for a number of reasons, but sometimes feel I need to go

along with the doctors on this.

I've learned, in order to keep the candida levels from jumping too high and

worsening things, that I do need to increase my probiotics during the course

of the antibiotics, and for a week or two afterwards. There is a protocol

for this, though, so you can get the maximum benefit from the probiotics,

and put the beneficial bacteria back into your body.

You'll need to time the probiotics and take them 3 hours following a dose of

antibiotic. I think you can also take the probiotics several hours before,

but I can't exactly remember how long before. I just take the probiotic

(yogurt and acidophilus capsules in my case) 3 hours after the antibiotic.

My candida symptoms always jump up regardless of my diet, but, so far,

haven't become severe, and are back down within a week. I always go back to

the strictest phase of the candida elimination diet as well, so no fruits

and low-carb veggies. I haven't yet added back the high-carb veggies to my

diet, even after a year on the candida elimination diet.

Hope your lung infection clears up. Not good at all!

Kim M.

[Guest guest]

> the yeast under control. But should I wait until the antibiotics are

> finished, or is taking them reason enough to increase. How much can

he take

> a day? Is 3x a day okay?

I would give probiotics about 2 hours after every dose of antibiotics,

as much and as often as possible.

Dana

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/09/2005 9:39:27 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

eric_s11050@... writes:

> quackery should not be put on any

> chatrooms often confusing the hell out of patients whos lives are in

> termoil.enough is enough!arsenic is natural and it kills and so is

> chlorine. playing a game of eat as much salt as your body can

> withstand is also a stupid idea most likely coming from some stupid

> person who thinks that a spirochete is like a slug,it is not I assure

> you..so please but please stop with the collecting of ticks and

> spirochete counts and coffee anemas and the strange concoctions and

> witches brews..

*****, you are entitled to your opinion, but please make it an informed

opinion. Making statements as you have recently made is very harmful to those

trying to decide what choice of treatment protocol to make. All you have to

do is go on the Internet and use google.com and you will find thousands of

articles and websites which are not quackery......I damn near destroyed my liver

and gave myself chronic candida because of my use of antibiotics and this was

YEARS before the Lyme diagnosis.

******The man who is making the Lyme homeopathic remedy is right on the mark,

as many of us can tell you. You don't understand homeopathy, so making the

statement that a remedy can't be made from ticks is wrong on your part. Before

making blanket statements PLEASE make it an informed statement.

******Once again I will take my protocol for all my ailments over allopathic

medicine. Trauma and surgery is another story. Hell, when I had to have the

three surgeries I went immediately to my homeopathic MD and got glutathione

IV's to help wash the anesthesia out of my body and brain.

******When I got the nanobacteria lung infection, I did several alternative

IV's (hydrogen peroxide/DMSO followed in two days with 100grams=100,000 mgs of

VitC) and didn't take antibiotics. When I had the last three surgeries, they

gave me antibiotics by IV while in the hospital, because I could get the

HP/DMSO or the high dose of VitC IV, but the minute I left the hospital I went

straight to my Homeopathic, MD got an IV flush to clean out my body from the

toxic

antibiotics. It isn't quackery or witch brew or strange, IT IS FACT.....I'm

61 yrs old and had to learn the hard way. I wouldn't however take the

antibiotics by mouth and only agreered to take it via IV's as if you don't have

infections when you enter the hospital you certainly do when you leave....<sigh>

> we deserve to have good health care without fear of antibiotics by

> certain groups, it is counter productive to shoot down

> antibiotics..that is the only known way off getting better.as far as

> the others that got better well we dont know that for sure.

> eric

*******for the last time, NO ONE IS SHOOTING DOWN THE USE OF ANTIBIOTICS.

That is a personal choice, it just isn't a choice I would personally make.

PLUS, antibiotics is NOT the only way to get well from Lyme disease!! There are

many of us on this lists and other lists who have successfully been treated

with alternatives and feel GREAT!! Look who is holding the gun??

You my dear.....just because my way worked for me, doesn't give you the right

to shoot my protocol down OR call it quackery. Alternative medicine WORKS!!

******I'm sorry it upsets you because I'm well on my way to being completely

well. I only wish that treating emphysema/COPD was easier. My lungs were

trashed at birth, then I was stupid enough to smoke for several year.!!! What a

fool I was........If I knew then, what I know now, what a different life I

would have lead.....I'm taking full responsibility for the stupid choices " I

MADE " and I will continue to reach out to folks to try and help them to better

understand, so that they can make INFORMED CHOICES!

******In the mean time I will continue reaching out to those that want my

help!!

I have one question for you......why is it that people get mad and slam a

protocol if you get well using alternative medicine?? I personally know

thousands of patients who have chosen alternatives and are well today.

******Were you aware that in the 1918 Flu epidemic that killed 50,000 million

that those who survived used the hydrogen peroxide IV's? Yep they used

hydrogen peroxide on the sickest flu patients and 48% were cured from the flu.

One other thing, I don't do " flu shots " never have and NEVER will. There are

too many preventatives and if I would get any type of flu I would run not

walk to my homeopathic MD.

*******Keep a smile on your face, love in your heart and walk with the

angels, holding hands in the " chain of love " .....

Angel Huggzz

or Angel

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[Guest guest]

I have been very happy many times in my life, believe me, antibiotics were

my best friend. That was then and since that time I have done everything in

my power to help my body do its job and let it fight my battles. I have not

needed a single drug in 2 years, and if and when I ever do need one, I will

double by alternative supplements to help combat the ill effects of the

drugs.

You also need to do some current research on the blood brain barrier and

what crosses it, because stem cells do cross the blood brain barrier and

stem cells can morph into any kind of cell that the body might need, an stem

cells are part of our most amazing, created by intelligent design, immune

system! Science and Medicine are changing daily, if you are not researching

and reading every day, you will get left behind.

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the

immune system cannot go into the brain where the spirochete goes to

get away from the immune system so helping the immune system is not

going to change anything.. " it evades the immune system " most

[Guest guest]

Yes, take lots of garlic, fresh not cooked. Cut it into small pieces and swallow

without chewing. Take probiotics, stick closely to diet.

Antibiotics

I had to go on antibiotics yesterday. Any suggestions for how to keep

my body going?

[Guest guest]

what is the reno clinic and what treatment are you getting there?

curious.

>

> Has anyone considered the damage to the body with long term

antibiotic use?

> I think that the standard care for Lyme disease is WAY off. I

did not have any relief

> from the anti's... I posted info for the Reno clinic a few times

here. I read some debunkers telling folks it is a scam...Well, they

are not in the position to know anything...One must be in the

treatments to see the miracles I have seen!!

> Anti's are only effective in the first 2 weeks of infection,

once the spiorchete penetrates the blood cells it moves quickly

throughout the whole body..

> Very few peole experience complete relief for life with the

treatments now available

> in the standard medical protocols for Lyme. Next time someone

says that the Reno clinic is " bogus " , ask them the last time they

were there for the treatments!!

> I tell you all, it is a permanent relief from this disease,

period... I see it daily,

> I have been there for 3 weeks now and am coming back to

life...Miraculously!!

> I hope more of you seek this help, then you will have real

relief and get your

> life back, your health restored, and peace knowing the

spiorchete is DEAD!!

> On my way back to health....JMJ

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[Guest guest]

Sherri,

I'm very happy that this is working for you. I'm all for any

treatment that helps us recover.

Please take a step back and see what you are doing. You

are " debunking " standard care for Lyme disease with antibiotics.

I'm here to tell you that standard care with antibiotics with an

LLMD has worked for me and my family. I have been feeling great for

the past 4 months, my wife is off of abx for the past 2 months and

she is doing very well and my son continues to improve on the abx.

I respect your decision to decide what treatment is best for you.

Please respect mine.

Be well,

>

> Has anyone considered the damage to the body with long term

antibiotic use?

> I think that the standard care for Lyme disease is WAY off. I

did not have any relief

> from the anti's... I posted info for the Reno clinic a few times

here. I read some debunkers telling folks it is a scam...Well, they

are not in the position to know anything...One must be in the

treatments to see the miracles I have seen!!

> Anti's are only effective in the first 2 weeks of infection,

once the spiorchete penetrates the blood cells it moves quickly

throughout the whole body..

> Very few peole experience complete relief for life with the

treatments now available

> in the standard medical protocols for Lyme. Next time someone

says that the Reno clinic is " bogus " , ask them the last time they

were there for the treatments!!

> I tell you all, it is a permanent relief from this disease,

period... I see it daily,

> I have been there for 3 weeks now and am coming back to

life...Miraculously!!

> I hope more of you seek this help, then you will have real

relief and get your

> life back, your health restored, and peace knowing the

spiorchete is DEAD!!

> On my way back to health....JMJ

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[Guest guest]

Your email is full of half truths and falsehoods, sorry. getting relief

from Lyme for a few weeks is one thing, we all know that the Spirochete will

hide. Come back in a few years. This place is sounding even more like

snake oil.

> Has anyone considered the damage to the body with long term antibiotic

use?

> I think that the standard care for Lyme disease is WAY off. I did not

have any relief

> from the anti's... I posted info for the Reno clinic a few times here. I

read some debunkers telling folks it is a scam...Well, they are not in the

position to know anything...One must be in the treatments to see the

miracles I have seen!!

> Anti's are only effective in the first 2 weeks of infection, once the

spiorchete penetrates the blood cells it moves quickly throughout the whole

body..

> Very few peole experience complete relief for life with the treatments

now available

> in the standard medical protocols for Lyme. Next time someone says that

the Reno clinic is " bogus " , ask them the last time they were there for the

treatments!!

> I tell you all, it is a permanent relief from this disease, period... I

see it daily,

> I have been there for 3 weeks now and am coming back to

life...Miraculously!!

> I hope more of you seek this help, then you will have real relief and

get your

> life back, your health restored, and peace knowing the spiorchete is

DEAD!!

> On my way back to health....JMJ

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