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At 02:09 PM 12/23/99 -0800, you wrote:

>From: a Perza <chestnutt@...>

>

>Wow.. you are very thin. Have you had children? Since having kids, I

>have found such a change in my body. I am 5 71/2 and could not imagine

>weighing that little. I see that it is a problem. I work out

>regularly, eat really healthy but am far from rail thin. Hmmm How about

>eating chick peas and avocado, mixed into your salads. (they are my

>favorites) They are very good for you, and perhaps help you to

>maintain your body weight as they are high caloried food items.

>You must really be very strict with your diet. I truly hope that it has

>at least been positive in the fact that you feel better re the candida.

>

>Happy Holidays,

>a

No, I haven't had kids yet, although I've heard similar comments that

pregnancy changes your metabolism. I've been skinny my entire life,

actually. I remember being a 13-year old twig and eating these English

muffins smothered in butter, peanut butter, and jelly trying to gain weight

(gee....is it any surprise I have a candida problem now?? I think not! ;>).

I'll remember the chick peas and the avocados, though, and I did find this

powder called The Ultimate Meal which contains no sugar or yeast. I mix it

with vanilla Rice Dream sometimes in the mornings. Trouble is, it's $35 a

container! YOW!

Sorry if I sounded cranky in my previous post. The holidays are not an easy

time for people who can't have sugar. People around me keep trying to foist

sugar and yeast-laden foods upon me and being a longtime candy-fiend I have

a hard time saying no. Needless to say, I'm a little on edge.

I get to leave work early today, though!!! Wheeee!!!!! I get to drive to a

particularly bad part of town to buy a hard-to-find brand of pomade as part

of my husband's present. It's a Rockabilly thing...you probably wouldn't

understand. ;>

Anne Sneddon

Las Vegas, Nevada

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My acunpuncturist requested that I avoid coffee, alcohol, sweets, and

shellfish.

Also, I was told to eat lots of mustard greens and bok choy (chinese greens).

Esther

[Guest guest]

I certainly believe that the right (or wrong) diet has a lot to do with our

health. I also believe that some of us can be, if not completely cured, at

least improve our health tremendously without having to resort to synthetic

drugs. >>

Margaretha,

I think you're absolutely right, that diet has a lot to do with our health,

and we can improve our health tremendously by making changes therein. I have

absolutely *no* argument with that. However, I think there is a balance to

be struck between using only synthetic medications, and forgoing the

knowledge of the medical profession completely. And that balance must be

found within each individual, and it's each individuals responsibility to

seek it out.

I'm in the process of evaluating many of these issues myself. For example, I

am taking an NSAID for PA and and specific anti-depressant for my

fibromyalgia. I have learned through my own reading and research that people

who take these medications concurrently have a greater risk of gastric

bleeding problems than someone who takes only NSAIDS. That increase in risk

doesn't sit well with me, so I've been taking evening primrose oil and

evaluating other " natural " means of reducing inflammation (green tea,

whatever), so as to perhaps reduce my reliance on the synthetic NSAID.

Another example: I know that taking methotrexate may have deletrious effects

on the liver in the long term. I have read studies and heard people's

testimonies about the benefits of using milk thistle to help the body repair

itself. So I have also starting using milk thistle daily.

Does my doctor think I'm wasting my money? Probably. Do I really care? No.

But the fact is that he and I both agree that medical science is not

all-knowing, that there may be benefits to diet and supplementation that

haven't been adequately studied and may never be because of the financial

strength of the pharmaceuticals industry (at least in the US), and I need to

use my own judgement to evaluate the risks I'm willing to take, and money

I'll willing to possibly burn.

One thing I do know is before I started taking methotrexate, I was absolutely

miserable, physically and mentally. This disease was having a tremendous

impact on my family life and my emotional state. By taking methotrexate and

the host of other medications I'm taking, perhaps I am taking a long-term

risk with my health that may come back to bite me in the rump at some future

point. But what I do know *for certain* is that taking these medications has

given me at least part of my life back. I'm selfish, perhaps, in that I want

to play with my 3 year old in my backyard *now*, and the thought of being

back where I was almost a year ago scares me to death. My choice has been to

put my family's and my immediate well-being ahead of some potential problem

that may or may not crop up in the future. Others may make different choices

- we all have our own paths to follow, based on our own God-given discernment.

Best wishes to all of you in finding and walking your path. I love learning

more about everyone's approaches to managing their lives with this disease.

I'll take my inspiration wherever I can get it!

This is the *opinion* of

Patty

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Margaretha,

> To all who want to give it a try

I'd like to see a general idea of the initial diet that " cleanses " those

toxins.

It wasn't easy, but I've about learned to leave

all wheat products alone and seldom eat any

dairy. The diet I've been trying to follow recently

excludes all meat except fresh or frozen " sea

food " and fruits in an attempt to eliminate all

chemical preservatives and additives. Eating

only sea food is a lot beyond our budget so

I've been trying to figure how to get enough protein without too much

carbohydrates.

> I certainly believe that the right (or wrong) diet has

> a lot to do with our health. I also believe that some

> of us can be, if not completely cured, at least

> improve our health tremendously without having to

> resort to synthetic drugs.

I beginning to reach that conclusion as well.

> Also don't forget that it can take a very long time

> for your body to get rid of all the toxins

Any hints about how long one should give a diet before looking elsewhere?

Thanks for the encouraging words.

Patty Bacon in the Pineywoods of East Texas

[Guest guest]

pbacon@... writes: Eating only sea food is a lot beyond our budget so

I've been trying to figure how to get enough protein without too much

carbohydrates.*********

Have you considered using soy products? I think prepared properly tofu and

tempeh are delicious. There are a lot of products available to try, and you

would also be eating those soy isoflavones that are supposedly so wonderful

for us. We have a fabulous health food store near us that carries all kind

of products, and I'm slowly making my way through some of them. There are

vegetarian sites on the web which would also be helpful to you if you are

interested in trying tofu, tempeh, miso and the like. I have some links if

you are interested.

Just a thought!

Patty

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Janie,

Actually, why our bodies develop arthiritis of any kind is not known. And,

a strong allergic response is one respect theory, although, still not

proven. I figure that it is likely that allergy is the cause for some but

we just don't know for sure. What is known is that certain foods in certain

people can contribute to their arthritic symptoms. Eliminating the foods

doesn't cure them, but does relieve their symptoms. And, afterall that is

all any of us are after--sympton relief.

I think the reason that so many of us jump on the drug band wagon so quickly

is because we have this false belief that our doctors know best so we just

trudge ahead blindly. Consequently I am where I am which is a " mell of a

hess " as my mother would say. I am so happy to have found this doctor who

practices naturopathic medicine. She is in fact an MD--a pathologist. A

pathologist studies the chemistry of the disease process. She said that

after years of pathology research she recognized that over 90% of all

diseases are caused by nutritional deficiencies. So, she felt that her

efforts would be better spent in prevention hence she teamed with a partner

who is an ND (Naturopathic Doctor) to start their preventive care practice.

She is able to advise me on both natural remedies and pharmalogical

remedies. Interestingly she has never told me to stop taking the drugs.

She believes all those choices are mine to make. Per my request she is

doing a library search on research regarding MTX toxicity in long term use

patients.

So, the answers for each of us is different because we are all different!

Persistence, hope and support are the key for all of us which is what makes

this list so valuable!

[Guest guest]

Once again, I express my dislike for the word " diet. " While it is true that

changing your eating habits can go a long way, I prefer the term " lifestyle

adjustment. " I just wanted to remind everyone that there is a lot more to

your life than the food you eat. Even something so trivial as the time you

get up in the morning can make a significant change in your life and have

positive effects. Of course, if you don't make the right adjustments (maybe

changing your rising time is not right for you!) then the changes can be

negative. And exercise...do I even need to go there? A complete regimen of

3 hour/day aerobic and strength can be way overboard for someone else. For

some, a complete regimen might be half hour of stretching everyday.

Everyone has their limitations, and their are no age or physical barriers.

Which reminds me...did anyone watch the show last night about the Schapell

twins? I think their story is wonderful and a perfect example to us all.

Granted their conjoined state is natural for them, but they still have to

face the discrimination and the dehumanization which they endure every time

they step out of their home. Such real people, with real problems, who

handle them as best they can. Had to share that....

Janet

[Guest guest]

Hi Patty: I would really like to know the web addresses for those vegetarian

sites you were talking about. I would like to get info regarding recipes for

Tofu. I had a recipe for a tofu dressing for Caesar salad which was

delicious! But I lost it! Thanks, Bunny

[Guest guest]

now you're making me hungry . .

diet

> Dale,

>

> I was sitting here munching on an apple as read your message. I have a

> big bowl of fruit in front of me -- apples and bananas. That's what I eat

> now for snacks - fruit instead of cookies and crackers.

>

> > I love veggies and fruit, and really feel

> > there is great nutritional value in them (esp raw).

>

> Me too. I eat tons of fruit and and I eat a HUGE salad every night, made

> typically with raw spinach instead of lettuce, and covered with raw

brocolli

> and sliced tomatoes.

>

> >I can see the benefits of

> > cutting down on carbs and especially processed foods and sugar of any

> kinds, but

> > not veggies and fruit.

>

> I never suggested you should cut down on veggies and fruit! However you

> should not be too alarmed if your wife limits fruit to about one piece per

> day for the first stage of a low-carb diet, since fruit is high in sugar,

> and then see her add back all the fruit she wants once she reaches her

> target weight. At least that is what I have done with great success. And

in

> my own case, one piece per day was more fruit han I was eating before I

> started the diet!

>

> > I feel that one could still lose weight, maybe over a longer period of

> time,

> > without going to the extreme of eliminating so many healthy foods and

> without

> > putting such a load on the kidneys.

>

> I have no idea what you are talking about Dale. WHAT HEALTHY FOODS?

>

> These are the foods I have eliminated:

>

> cookies

> candy

> bread

> pasta

> pizza

> cereal

> sugar

> fatty dairy products

>

> So I don't know what you mean by " eliminating so many healthy foods " . I

have

> not eliminated any healthy foods.

>

> For my main meal of the day I eat beef or fish or chicken with lots and

lots

> of vegetables, followed by fruit for dessert. That's unhealthy? I don't

> think so!

>

> -gts

>

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

By the way I am not a big supporter of the Atkin's diet.

I argue for the paleolithic diet - the diet of our cavemen ancestors for

which we are genetically designed. It is for this reason that I am trying to

eliminate dairy products. I still eat a little cheese, for example last

night I had melted cheese on broccolli at a restaurant, but I hope to

eliminate dairy altogether.

The majority of humans on earth are lactose intolerant and many people are

allergic to casein (milk protein). The reason for these problems is that the

adult human machine was not designed to ingest milk, much less the milk of

another species! It is very bizarre that humans drink milk and eat cheese.

No other animal on earth drinks milk in adulthood and no other animal on

earth ever drinks the milk of another species. We've been programmed by the

dairy industry to think it is healthy and natural, but the fact is that we

humans are almost like vampires when we drink the milk of another species.

It's downright weird and unnatural.

The dairy industry argues that we need their protein and calcium. However

our bodies expect to get protein and calcium and all other nutrients from

natural time-honored sources like meat, fish, fowl, fruits, nuts and

vegetables. These are the foods that our human and hominid ancestors ate for

many millions of years.

Animal husbandry with its hi-fat dairy products, and agriculture with its

hi-carb grain products, both came into existence only about 10,000 years

ago. 10,000 years may seem like a long time but it was just yesterday in

biological terms. Our bodies have not genetically adapted to the products

these industries produce. We are neolithic people but we still live in

paleolithic bodies.

Your DNA will love you if you eat only meat, fish, fowl, fruits, nuts and

vegetables. Eat only those foods that are edible when you're naked with a

sharp stick.

-Fred Flintstone

[Guest guest]

Dear group,

Yesterday I started minocin. I've read Dr. Mercola's guidelines for the

diet. Do all of you follow this diet? How closely/loosely? (I'm already

following a low-carb diet and this diet too would really limit my foods.)

What kind of results have you all had with his dietary guidelines? From

your experiences, what would be the most important part to try to follow?

Thanks for your input.

M.

[Guest guest]

rheumatic Diet

>From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

>Anybody out there ever use potato flour or something in that order to

>make a dough for a veggie pizza? Thanks!

Hi .....I'm going on the assumption that you are wanting to make a

wheat-free pizza dough..........while avoiding all glutens I experimented with a

number of alternative flours. I found that combining two or three flours made

for some interesting taste sensations. For instance, garbonzo bean flour and

tapioca flour adds an interesting flavor.

Also, when baking with gluten free flours, it is a good idea to add Xanthan

gum. Xanthan gum is a binder which improves the quality of a gluten-free

product. It prevents spreading, crumbling, and improves elasticity. You should

use one-half to one tsp Xanthan gum for each cup of gluten-free flour.

It can be found in most health-food stores - a bit pricey, but well worth

it, and a little goes a long way.

Following is a recipe for gluten-free pizza dough. I've tried it and found

it to be an excellent alternative to regular dough.....and, it doesn't crumble

in your hand like so many GF foods!

Sorry if this is more information than you wanted.....if that's the case,

just ignore!

Be well, and happy pizza eating!...........

.................................................................................\

.................................................

1 tablespoon gluten-free dry yeast2/3 cup brown rice flour or bean flour

1/2 cup tapioca flour2 tablespoons dry milk powder or non-dairy milk powder*

2 teaspoons xanthan gum1/2 teaspoon salt1 teaspoon unflavored gelatin powder

1 teaspoon Italian herb seasoning2/3 cup warm water (105 degrees)

1/2 teaspoon sugar or 1/4 teaspoon honey1 teaspoon olive oil

1 teaspoon cider vinegarcooking sprayPreheat oven to 425 degrees.

In medium bowl using regular beaters (not dough hooks), blend

the yeast, flours, dry milk powder, xanthan gum, salt, gelatin

powder, and Italian herb seasoning on low speed. Add warm water,

sugar (or honey), olive oil, and vinegar. Beat on high speed for

3 minutes. (If the mixer bounces around the bowl, the dough is

too stiff. Add water if necessary, one tablespoon at a time,

until dough does not resist beaters.) The dough will resemble soft

bread dough. (You may also mix in bread machine on dough setting.)

Put mixture into 12-inch pizza pan or on baking sheet (for thin,

crispy crust), 11 x 7-inch pan (for deep dish version) that has

been coated with cooking spray. Liberally sprinkle rice flour

onto dough, then press dough into pan, continuing to sprinkle

dough with flour to prevent sticking to your hands. Make edges

thicker to contain the toppings.

Bake the pizza crust for 10 minutes. Remove from oven. Spread

pizza crust with your favorite sauce and toppings. Bake for

another 20-25 minutes or until top is nicely browned.

Preparation = 45 minutes. Serves 6.Crust only:

Calories 138, Fat 1 g, % Fat Cal 8%, Protein 2 g,

Carbohydrate 30 g, Cholesterol 0 mg, Sodium 286 mg,

Fiber 2 g Exchanges - Carbohydrate 2, Fat 1/4

* Dairy Alternative: 2 tablespoons tapioca flour or sweet rice

flour in place of the 2 tablespoons dry milk powder or non-dairy

milk powder. However, the crust won't brown as nicely.

[Guest guest]

Hi, sala, You didn't give me more than I wanted, just the right

amount of information! Thank you so much for your kindness. I am off

to the health food store (seems to be my new habitat) and purchase the

xanthan gum which I had never before heard of. So I can cook with

honey? I have not had any as I figured that would qualify as sugar.

Have you ever tried the rice cheese on it? It tastes like American to

me so I am not too sure about using it on this. Thanks so much!

joeysala wrote:

> From: " joeysala " <joeysala@...>

> rheumatic Diet

> >From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

> >

> >Anybody out there ever use potato flour or something in that order to

>

> >make a dough for a veggie pizza? Thanks! Hi .....I'm

> going on the assumption that you are wanting to make a wheat-free

> pizza dough..........while avoiding all glutens I experimented with a

> number of alternative flours. I found that combining two or three

> flours made for some interesting taste sensations. For instance,

> garbonzo bean flour and tapioca flour adds an interesting flavor.

> Also, when baking with gluten free flours, it is a good idea to add

> Xanthan gum. Xanthan gum is a binder which improves the quality of a

> gluten-free product. It prevents spreading, crumbling, and improves

> elasticity. You should use one-half to one tsp Xanthan gum for each

> cup of gluten-free flour. It can be found in most health-food

> stores - a bit pricey, but well worth it, and a little goes a long

> way. Following is a recipe for gluten-free pizza dough. I've tried

> it and found it to be an excellent alternative to regular

> dough.....and, it doesn't crumble in your hand like so many GF

> foods! Sorry if this is more information than you wanted.....if

> that's the case, just ignore!Be well, and happy pizza

>

eating!.....................................................................\

.......................................................................

>

> 1 tablespoon gluten-free dry yeast2/3 cup brown rice flour or bean

> flour1/2 cup tapioca flour2 tablespoons dry milk powder or non-dairy

> milk powder*2 teaspoons xanthan gum1/2 teaspoon salt1 teaspoon

> unflavored gelatin powder1 teaspoon Italian herb seasoning2/3 cup warm

> water (105 degrees)1/2 teaspoon sugar or 1/4 teaspoon honey 1 teaspoon

> olive oil1 teaspoon cider vinegarcooking sprayPreheat oven to 425

> degrees.In medium bowl using regular beaters (not dough hooks), blend

> the yeast, flours, dry milk powder, xanthan gum, salt, gelatin powder,

> and Italian herb seasoning on low speed. Add warm water, sugar (or

> honey), olive oil, and vinegar. Beat on high speed for 3 minutes. (If

> the mixer bounces around the bowl, the dough is too stiff. Add water

> if necessary, one tablespoon at a time, until dough does not resist

> beaters.) The dough will resemble soft bread dough. (You may also mix

> in bread machine on dough setting.)Put mixture into 12-inch pizza pan

> or on baking sheet (for thin, crispy crust), 11 x 7-inch pan (for deep

> dish version) that has been coated with cooking spray. Liberally

> sprinkle rice flour onto dough, then press dough into pan, continuing

> to sprinkle dough with flour to prevent sticking to your hands. Make

> edges thicker to contain the toppings.Bake the pizza crust for 10

> minutes. Remove from oven. Spread pizza crust with your favorite sauce

> and toppings. Bake for another 20-25 minutes or until top is nicely

> browned. Preparation = 45 minutes. Serves 6.Crust only:Calories 138,

> Fat 1 g, % Fat Cal 8%, Protein 2 g, Carbohydrate 30 g, Cholesterol 0

> mg, Sodium 286 mg,Fiber 2 g Exchanges - Carbohydrate 2, Fat 1/4* Dairy

> Alternative: 2 tablespoons tapioca flour or sweet rice flour in place

> of the 2 tablespoons dry milk powder or non-dairy milk powder.

> However, the crust won't brown as nicely.

> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

> [

[Guest guest]

Re: rheumatic Diet

Hi, sala, You didn't give me more than I wanted, just the right amount

of information! Thank you so much for your kindness. I am off to the health

food store (seems to be my new habitat) and purchase the xanthan gum which I had

never before heard of. So I can cook with honey? I have not had any as I

figured that would qualify as sugar. Have you ever tried the rice cheese on it?

It tastes like American to me so I am not too sure about using it on this.

Thanks so much!

.......I actually eliminated the honey, but that's a personal choice.

Haven't liked any of the artificial cheeses.....and when I did the GF thing, I

also went off dairy and nightshades, so I had cheeseless, tomato sauceless

variations. Can get pretty inventive!

So, are you avoiding wheat because of recommended RA diets, or for celiac

problems? If you'd like, I can send you more info on other GF recipes,

etc...............

[Guest guest]

When you eat the fish, do you eat the eyeballs and brain?

I've heard they are incredibly rich in some highly beneficial molecules.

Guess, I'll have to look that up again to espouse on which ones.

I tried it once, cooked, it was pretty good, other than the thought of it, and

this rubbery marble that was left after sucking the membranes off the eyes.

And to eat the brains and adrenals, and other glands of a fresh killed animal,

to eat them raw I believe, is an extremely healthful practice. Caveman style,

yummy! Where's my stick!

I was just reading the incredibly healthy thing about the Atkins diet is that it

calls for more fat, less carbos. Low fat diets are killing us. Low salt diets

are

killing us.

And of course raw, organic veges are the best, still contain the life force, so

important to our well-being. Did you see the study where organic was tested

against commercial and found to be incredibly more full of nutrients, such as

the trace minerals, some of which are entirely lacking in the commerical

produce. I could send that if you haven't seen it.

What do you think of the food combining charts, which say not to mix veges

and fruits in the same meal? Have your fruits for a between meal snack

instead!

And what about grazing--eating small portions 6 times a day.

And only 1-3 types of food each time.

One theory has it that we each way too many foods at once.

The Essene, I believe, and they also say to each your food alone, quietly, in

sacred meditation, giving thanks for each morsel as you delight in it's

essence.

And do you know the benefits of Ormus materials? Check it out.

http://www.zz.com/WhiteGoldWeb/index.htm Red grape juice is very high in

ormes. Anything red, all the way through, such as beets, raspberries, blood

root, are good stuff for hu-mans to consume.

http://skyfamily.com/wholistacare

On 25 Jan 00, at 16:32, gts wrote:

> By the way I am not a big supporter of the Atkin's diet.

>

> I argue for the paleolithic diet - the diet of our cavemen ancestors for

> which we are genetically designed. It is for this reason that I am trying to

> eliminate dairy products. I still eat a little cheese, for example last night

I

> had melted cheese on broccolli at a restaurant, but I hope to eliminate dairy

> altogether.

>

> The majority of humans on earth are lactose intolerant and many people are

> allergic to casein (milk protein). The reason for these problems is that the

> adult human machine was not designed to ingest milk, much less the milk

of

> another species! It is very bizarre that humans drink milk and eat cheese.

No

> other animal on earth drinks milk in adulthood and no other animal on earth

ever

> drinks the milk of another species. We've been programmed by the dairy

industry

> to think it is healthy and natural, but the fact is that we humans are almost

> like vampires when we drink the milk of another species. It's downright

weird

> and unnatural.

>

> The dairy industry argues that we need their protein and calcium. However

> our bodies expect to get protein and calcium and all other nutrients from

> natural time-honored sources like meat, fish, fowl, fruits, nuts and

> vegetables. These are the foods that our human and hominid ancestors ate

for

> many millions of years.

>

> Animal husbandry with its hi-fat dairy products, and agriculture with its

> hi-carb grain products, both came into existence only about 10,000 years

> ago. 10,000 years may seem like a long time but it was just yesterday in

> biological terms. Our bodies have not genetically adapted to the products

> these industries produce. We are neolithic people but we still live in

> paleolithic bodies.

>

> Your DNA will love you if you eat only meat, fish, fowl, fruits, nuts and

> vegetables. Eat only those foods that are edible when you're naked with a

> sharp stick.

>

> -Fred Flintstone

>

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[Guest guest]

That's great it helped you. Arthritis is tricky and probably has many

causes. Mine has nothing to do with diet, I'm sure. Sure, foods can

exacerbate symptoms, but, at least for me, food is no cure. I don't eat

wheat (bothers my stomach), haven't eaten dairy for over 20 years (lactose

intolerant), and eat mostly vegetables, whole grains, and organic chicken. I

never get flus, and rarely get colds (only because I have children) I have

eaten this way for over 10 years. Before that I was a vegetarian. I've had

RE for over 13 years. I've done extensions cleansings, colonics, etc. I've

tested for allergies, etc. Diet just isn't the cure nor the cause for me.

But allergies can be an arthritic factor for others.

The only thing recently I've thought of, probably in desperation, is to go

on a supervised extended water or juice fast. It would probably have to be

at least 21 days to 1 month. This would not be to 'cleanse' my system, as I

don't think cleansing is what's called for here. But it would be in an

attempt to 'reset' my system, try to calm it down and get the immune system

working normally.

My doctor today described the immune system as a two-fold feature. He said

one way you could look at RE or RA is that the immune system is stuck part

way through completing it's cycle of healing. Part one would be dealing

with acute problems such as colds and flus. Part 2 would be dealing with

inflammatory types of healing such as sprains, tissue problems. I am stuck

midway in Part 2 with the immune system not completing itself. This could

be described as something that goes on deeper in the brain, deeper than

conscious thought. It needs resetting. He said there is a new herbal

formula on the market developed by South African rheumatologists that

supposedly helps with this resetting. I'll get the info and post it when I

can.

It's definitely nice when one kind find something as simple and controllable

as diet to help cure a disease.

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>From: " Higbee " <higgy@...>

> " Patten " <leslie@...>

>Subject: Re: rheumatic Diet

>Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2000, 12:31 AM

>

> I think diet does effect RA, for instance i discovered wheat caused me to

>flare, so a elimimation diet is good thing to try. Also i have personally

>met 2 people in remission using diet changes alone. I also went into

>remission for about 8 months (i didnt even take a advil) when i made changes

>in my diet. Also good eating habbits can help you deal with the medications

>better, improve your immune system so you dont get sick as often, and

>control your weight.

> But there is more, the people who went into remission i met also did

>colonic flushes and went through a detoxification process.

> It is a tricky disease and theres no one answer, but i think eating a low

>fat, high nutrition diet is important.

>

>

> rheumatic Diet

>

>

>> From: " Patten " <leslie@...>

>>

>> Hi,

>>

>> You're right. Diet is the key to feeling good, except when it comes to

>> arthritis--then diet is not the key. Seems like so many diseases respond

>to

>> diet, exercise, etc. But arthritis is just deeper than that--so

>something.

>> It's frustrating.

>>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mimianne,

I went to a doctor who believes in water only fasting for RA. I

actually stuck to this diet without cheating for ten (That is TEN!) days.

It was difficult obviously and I got very weak and lost fifteen pounds.

The pain went away after the second day as predicted, but when I started

adding back foods (He had me had zucchini first), the pain came right

back. And the pain did not improve no matter what I ate or didn't eat.

So, fasting doesn't seem to work for me at least.

Gloria

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[Guest guest]

Thanks so much to all who shared their experiences. I've been down the

arm-eating road, too

After all of your excellent suggestions, I was inspired to do more

research. If gluten and dairy free doesn't do the job, I'll move on to

low-carb which supplements will hopefully help for the GI thing. I'm going

to start supplementing magnesium, acidophilus, chromium, calcium, zinc and

omega3 oils in addition to the vitamins I'm already taking.

This is a fascinating site:

http://www.paleodiet.com/

Thanks again for all the great info - I'll keep you posted!

Lynne

[Guest guest]

Donna -

I tried a bunch of different diets, and had a bunch of expensive testing done

to determine what food allergies I had. I finally found a diet that works,

for me. I eat whatever I want whenever I want it. Ice cream seems to help,

Moose Tracks is the best. I supplement my diet with NSAIDS, Neoral (soon to

change to Enbrel), folic acid, and everybody's favorite - Methotrexate. This

is the " diet " that works for me ;-)

Rob Glover

<< HI MY NAME IS DONNA,

I WAS HOPING SOMEONE OUT THERE HAS AN ANWSER FOR ME .

I HAVE PA, 6 YRS I TRYED EVERTHING FROM COD LIVER OIL TO TUMS.

ANY ADVISE PEOPLE GIVE ME I TRY.I EVEN TRYED SWITCHING MY DIET AROUND.I CANT

SEEM TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS THE BEST ONE.I TRIED THE ATKINS DIET AND FLARED UP

SO BAD.(I THINK IT WAS THE CHEESE).DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THERE IS A DIET THAT

HELPS SO WE DONT FLARE UP?

THANK YOU . DONNA >>

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From: " Patten " <leslie@...>

gail@...

Subject: Diet

Date: Thu, Apr 20, 2000, 8:12 AM

Hi

I'd be interested in hearing more. I have been non-dairy for over 15 years

for lactose intolerance. I have been eating no wheat products since over a

year ago. I don't eat potatoes, but am not religious about other nightshade

members.

I have a friend who had ulcer problems and osteo problems with a knee and

started the paleolithic diet and cured himself. He and I argued about it

last night for over an hour. He is adamently no grains of any kind, no soy,

no beans, etc., but protein (any kind), vegies, and fruit. He really thinks

I should be on this for two months to see any difference.

Red meat including lamb has seemed to make me stiffer so I'm not sure. No

grain at all seems radical. I have been on the AP for 8 months and feel

pretty lousy. I'm willing to try anything though. Any feedback?

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>>My diet was given by a Naturopath and confirmed, and added to, by Dr Chiu.

No gluten (wheat, rye, barley, oats), no dairy except a little yoghurt,

no red meat, no nightshades(potato, capsicum, tomato, chilli, aubergine),

no citrus, no caffeine(coffee & tea), no alcohol, no sugar. Only olive

oil.

Lots of fish, lots of green vegetables, some fruit, ground nuts and seeds.

[Guest guest]

Sorry for the late reply . It's been a busy Easter break.

I know it is confusing, but it's so much better to be in less pain. I've

definitely confirmed that alcohol has a major effect on me. With the

rest of the forbiddens I haven't experimented individually, but generally

feel good on my diet. And quite satisfied eating vegies and fish or

chicken. I don't eliminate all carbs like Dr Aitken recommends, and

don't eat fat except olive oil, but I try to have the carbs separately,

eg fruit on its own or with seeds, starchy vegies without protein. But I

do have chicken and rice together. I am slowly but without really

deliberately, coming off all other grains except brown rice, and I only

have that ocacasionally. It really does feel good. It's just hard

socially.

Why don't you give it a go? What have you really got to lose? (except

pain and swelling!) I find when I have to cook for other people I cook

for myself and then add other things for them. Try coming off other

grains but leave brown rice which seems to be the most benign. Or try

coming off the nightshade and citrus families, tea and coffee, red meats

and leaving the grains till last. If you come off things one at a time

you may be able to see a benign effect. But I believe that it does take

a while for the body to adjust and work things out of the system. i

remember I found it hard at first but felt good after two weeks. So it

may take far too long coming off one thing at a time.

The usual way, I believe, is to remove all possible allergens then

after the body is thoroughly used to it, reintroduce a food and see what

happens.

Best of luck. If it doesn't work then it doesnt work and you can try

something else.

Gail

[Guest guest]

Refresh my memory, adkins diet eliminates grains right??? If thats the case then you probably are allergic to something you have taken out of your diet.

rheumatic Diet

I have just completed my 4th week on the Atkins diet and have lost 13 lbs total. I was really disappointed this week to not lose any weight, but feel so good about having a subtle difference in the stiffness in my feet and hands. I am noticing I am not so stiff after that first morning bout and in the afternoon have barely any stiffness at all. During the night I noticed my neck didn't hurt when I moved and made a different kind of noise, like a ratchet wrench. That is exactly how I would describe it. I am wondering if not eating carbs and negligible sugar, except in Jello, is making the difference.

Coming up from the barn in the uneven grass I didn't turn over on my ankle like I usually do and tried a little run and could actuall run slowly. Last year I tried to take line dancing lessons for exercise and could not jump off the floor.

Has anyone else experienced improvement in stiffness on the Atkins diet and how did they jump start the weight loss if they were stuck. I weigh myself every Thursday.

At the present I'm taking a med vacation and only taking my thyroid meds. No anti inflams or Minocin.

Bev

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[Guest guest]

Dear Gena,

I know how you feel. I was a diet maniac before the AP, trying to stop the

RA from progressing. Once on AP, I went a little crazy. Now, I believe

that common sense is the best guide. Dairy isn't good for intestine or

cholesterol, etc. but I have added organic yogurt, sweetened only with fruit

juice, because I feel the calcium and probiotics in it are helpful. I don't

eat it daily, just two times a week max, and so far so good. I have added

back gluten, but not wheat, since wheat is a common allergen, so I eat rye

bread (but with no yeast in it). I was told not to eat oils, but my skin and

digestion suffered, so I eat olive oil, but try not to cook with it cause

heat changes it, and it creates inflammatory substances. I try to stay away

from sugar. And I try to eat vegetables and fruit, and organic foods (when I

can afford them), and I only eat red meat as a rare treat (ie. steak once

every 6 weeks or so). I have read so many diets, and they all do contradict

each other. I believe a " healthy " diet is the best one, and I think,

intuitively, we all know what that means.

Hope you do well back on the minocin. What are you doing about the yeast, if

that's causing the hives? Good luck.

[Guest guest]

This sounds pretty good, add flax seed oil and maybe colostrum for skin and

digestion.

Re: rheumatic diet

> Dear Gena,

> I know how you feel. I was a diet maniac before the AP, trying to stop

the

> RA from progressing. Once on AP, I went a little crazy. Now, I believe

> that common sense is the best guide. Dairy isn't good for intestine or

> cholesterol, etc. but I have added organic yogurt, sweetened only with

fruit

> juice, because I feel the calcium and probiotics in it are helpful. I

don't

> eat it daily, just two times a week max, and so far so good. I have added

> back gluten, but not wheat, since wheat is a common allergen, so I eat rye

> bread (but with no yeast in it). I was told not to eat oils, but my skin

and

> digestion suffered, so I eat olive oil, but try not to cook with it cause

> heat changes it, and it creates inflammatory substances. I try to stay

away

> from sugar. And I try to eat vegetables and fruit, and organic foods (when

I

> can afford them), and I only eat red meat as a rare treat (ie. steak once

> every 6 weeks or so). I have read so many diets, and they all do

contradict

> each other. I believe a " healthy " diet is the best one, and I think,

> intuitively, we all know what that means.

> Hope you do well back on the minocin. What are you doing about the yeast,

if

> that's causing the hives? Good luck.

>

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[Guest guest]

I think diet is crucial for anyone on antibiotic therapy. I have RA and

while I don't follow rigidly Dr. Mercola's dietary recommendations, I do

follow his main principles: little sugar, lots of filtered water, lots of

organic veggies, some fruit (espeically berries), nuts and seeds, little or

no corn. We eat mostly organic meat--largely chicken with some beef and

occasionally organic pork, and we eat a lot of fish-- I drink green tea,

limit grains, rarely have fruit juice or soda or wine and just the

occasional decaf coffee. I believe peppers and sugar may affect my pain

levels somewhat, and I limit potatoes in my diet. I feel better following

these guidelines, and it only makes sense that our bodies which are already

stressed with these diseases need as much support as possible. Start slowly

with any dietary changes, perhaps focusing on one or two changes at a time;

Dr. Weil says it takes a couple of months to really change dietary habits.

But you'll find you stop craving old foods and really want to eat better.

Let me know if I can help with any other suggestions.

Take care,

rheumatic diet

> Hi I am new to this list. I have scleroderma. I was wondering what the

> opinion is regarding the suggested diet recommended with the antibiotic

> therapy?Thanks, Dottie

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