diet

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I really don't need to SEE it, I just need to know how to convince my DH

to EAT it! He won't eat anything remotely healthy! I had to do top

level negotiation to get him to eat baby wheat bread. No whole grain,

just Home Pride stuff. (Not my favorite by any scope of the

imagination, but it si better than white!) He is more picky than a two

year old. I need some practical advice on how to convine Mr. Picky that

he needs to eat better for him.

Shalia

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>Eventhough my son has a SERIOUS nuerological condition, DUE TO THE DPaT

VACCINE, he not sick that often. Never had an antibiotic--Never an ear

infection, etc. I attribute this fever thing that he has had for the

past 2 days to him doing a cleansing on himself. I am hoping it will

turn out to be a good thing. Well anyway, we attribute him to being

" medically healthy " despite the nuerological condition to this to diet.

>

>He has no dairy and no meat. We make fresh juice for him daily. He

loves spinach, celery and carrots with a dash of ginger. He drinks soy

dream (it seems to have the most calcium)now, because I started

introducing the bottle with a large hole in the nipple and he got used

to it. It also became a behavioral thing. We give him lots of fruits

and veggies. We also make him fresh almond butter, beans, sesame seeds,

and pumkin seeds for protein. He was put on this diet by an Ayurvedic

Dr. Spiroulina is also added to his foods. For medical purposes he was

taken off grains for a while. After one month millet, amarynth, and

brown rice could be added to his diet.

>

>Does anyone else have similar diets?? This diet seems the most logical

for his seizure disorder and his overall well being. If anyone would

like to see the whole diet please email me.

>

>

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What I did was pick the top two....sugar and transfat. That way I didn't feel

totally overwhelmed. Mind you those two really empty the cupboard.

Donna

Scleroderma/Raynaud's 01/95

AP 10/97

Ottawa/Canada

http:www.compmore.net/~donray

www.compmore.net/~donray

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> From: " D. King " <dking@...>

>

> Hi ,

>

> Glad to hear I'm not the only AP person who has a hard time with that

> DIET!!!!

> I feel as though EVERYTHING is on that " list " so I can't eat anything!

> I guess that's a solution, stop eating then you'll have nothing to worry

> about ... in time.

>

> Debra

>

> Mazumdar wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bev,

> > I don't remember hearing about the diet you mentioned in

> > your post. Can you tell me more about it, or tell me where to find the

> > information? It sounds like our other arthritis diet but maybe not

> > quite as strict. That would be great for me because " the spirit is

> > willing but the flesh is weak. "

> > Mazumdar

> > MCTD 30 years, AP 8 months

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Ta Da! See our new web site.

>

[Guest guest]

My husband must be your husbands long lost twin. (Except there is

probably a large age difference!) No ideas, huh? I'd just cook

healthy, and let him go hungry if he didn't want to eat it, but he has

gone on hunger strikes for it. ACK! He drives me nuts!

Shalia

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>In a message dated 2/19/99 7:20:22 PM Central Standard Time,

>rands68@... writes:

>

><< He is more picky than a two

> year old. I need some practical advice on how to convine Mr. Picky

that

> he needs to eat better for him. >>

>

>this sounds like my dh he only wants steak and potatoes and thinks that

>ketchup is a good vegie.

>

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:

We would be very interested in the diet you have Rocky on. We have tried the

Ketogenic diet, both with fats from a regular diet and with MCT oil. Didn't

have much luck with it though I understand that some children respond very

well to it. (Even those with infantile spasms.) Also, that was about

eighteen years ago.

Right now, is just on a regular diet, but after 3 major surgeries this

last year for scoliosis (due to deterioration of the spine because her

neurological system not sending the right messages to the muscles), she has

lost lots of weight and is just really run down. Her mobility is limited

because in addition to rods from T1 to L4 and down into her pelvis, she is

also fused from T1 all the way down. We have tried all kinds of special " Boo "

(her nickname) drinks and the weight just won't come back.

Seizure wise, she is doing well, although that is a relative term for her.

Meaning that she now only has seizures about once a day on the average.

Sometimes she might go 3 or 4 days and we do not see any.

ANYWAY........... We would appreciate the diet to try with her. Sometimes

you just never know what these kids will respond to.

Thanks,

Alice Clinton

ClintonVA@...

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In a message dated 2/19/99 7:20:22 PM Central Standard Time,

rands68@... writes:

<< He is more picky than a two

year old. I need some practical advice on how to convine Mr. Picky that

he needs to eat better for him. >>

this sounds like my dh he only wants steak and potatoes and thinks that

ketchup is a good vegie.

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Caleb 18mo.old. Wife to for 10 years.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bev,

I don't remember hearing about the diet you mentioned in your post.

Can you tell me more about it, or tell me where to find the information? It

sounds like our other arthritis diet but maybe not quite as strict. That would

be great for me because " the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. "

Mazumdar

MCTD 30 years, AP 8 months

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Glad to hear I'm not the only AP person who has a hard time with that

DIET!!!!

I feel as though EVERYTHING is on that " list " so I can't eat anything!

I guess that's a solution, stop eating then you'll have nothing to worry

about ... in time.

Debra

Mazumdar wrote:

>

> Dear Bev,

> I don't remember hearing about the diet you mentioned in

> your post. Can you tell me more about it, or tell me where to find the

> information? It sounds like our other arthritis diet but maybe not

> quite as strict. That would be great for me because " the spirit is

> willing but the flesh is weak. "

> Mazumdar

> MCTD 30 years, AP 8 months

[Guest guest]

Dear :

The book is called The Arthritis Relief Diet by Dr. Scala and is a program

to curb your dependence on drugs with preventative measures that have been

proven to work. Based on the most recent worldwise scientific studies that

emphasize the dramatic impact of diet on arthritis. It offers a plan that will

help prevent permanent joint damage and reduce the pain.

Also on this diet you will lose weight as there is little fat and no red meat.

There are meal plans and a list of things to do to get started like cleaning out

your fridge of all the foods you shouldn't have.

You can have skim milk and add powdered milk to it to make it more palateable.

Also chicken and fish are big items. No organ meat and no processed meat like

cooked ham, or salami, or hotdogs. Beans are really good. The canned variety

too. Lots of vegetables, fruit, whole wheat break, bagels. So much to choose

from. You won't be bored with it once you get set to do it. And drink lots of

water.

I had oatmeal with raisons for breakfast. Took 2 minutes to make.

I put 1/3 cup of oatmeal and 2/3 cups of water in a microwaveable bowl and add

raisons and microwave for 2 minutes, stirring halfway thru and let stand one

minute and there is your breakfast

There is a section on herbs for arthritis that mentions Devil's Claaw, Wild Yam,

Black Cobash, Bogbean, and Sarsaparilla.

Supplements are recommended with the diet.

Also no sugar.

You could probably find the book at your library if you don't want to buy it.

..I got a lot in good information from it.

I started on Tuesday and according to the book should get results in a few days.

I think I do feel a little less bloated but maybe I'm imagining things.

Good luck.

Love

Bev

rheumatic Re: Diet

Dear Bev,

I don't remember hearing about the diet you mentioned in your

post. Can you tell me more about it, or tell me where to find the information?

It sounds like our other arthritis diet but maybe not quite as strict. That

would be great for me because " the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak. "

Mazumdar

MCTD 30 years, AP 8 months

[Guest guest]

Hello Again Debra,

(I think I'm working backwards through my e-mails!)

I've been trying to stick to an ATKINS/PROTIEN POWER type diet again lately.

I seem to feel better on that than on the AP recommended diet. The thing

I've discovered from the higher protein/carb restricted diet is that giving

up sugar and bread pretty much halts the desire for sugar and bread. I

still eat plenty of the lower-carb veggies though. Anytime I've tried a

lowfat diet, I find myself craving fat like crazy, and I end up eating more

of it than before the diet!

Please don't stop eating completely, because I'd miss your posts! (Pretty

selfish, arn't I?)

Bye,

Kari

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>From: " D. King " <dking@...>

> Mazumdar <lcmedit@...>

>Cc: rheumaticonelist

>Subject: rheumatic Re: Diet

>Date: Fri, Feb 19, 1999, 10:45 AM

>

>From: " D. King " <dking@...>

>

>Hi ,

>

>Glad to hear I'm not the only AP person who has a hard time with that

>DIET!!!!

>I feel as though EVERYTHING is on that " list " so I can't eat anything!

>I guess that's a solution, stop eating then you'll have nothing to worry

>about ... in time.

>

>Debra

>

> Mazumdar wrote:

>>

>> Dear Bev,

>> I don't remember hearing about the diet you mentioned in

>> your post. Can you tell me more about it, or tell me where to find the

>> information? It sounds like our other arthritis diet but maybe not

>> quite as strict. That would be great for me because " the spirit is

>> willing but the flesh is weak. "

>> Mazumdar

>> MCTD 30 years, AP 8 months

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------------

>Ta Da! See our new web site.

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/19/99 10:10:00 PM Central Standard Time,

rands68@... writes:

<<

My husband must be your husbands long lost twin. (Except there is

probably a large age difference!) No ideas, huh? I'd just cook

healthy, and let him go hungry if he didn't want to eat it, but he has

gone on hunger strikes for it. ACK! He drives me nuts!

Shalia

>>

Sorry, no ideas,but mine has gone on the hunger strike crap too. I tried going

oh well, this is it if you don't like don't eat it thing. He went to mcdonalds

every night and ran up a 120 dollar a month food habit that way. He is 28 , so

i am hoping with time he will grow up but hell colon cancer or prostate cancer

will probably get him first!!! LOL

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Caleb 18mo.old. Wife to for 10 years.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I'm new to the group. But this diet sounds alot like the Hallelujah

Diet.

http://www.hacres.com

They promote juicing and Barleygreen. Which I do.

~Gena

On 20 Feb 1999 00:17:54 -0000 @... writes:

>From: @...

>

>Eventhough my son has a SERIOUS nuerological condition, DUE TO THE

>DPaT VACCINE, he not sick that often. Never had an antibiotic--Never

>an ear infection, etc. I attribute this fever thing that he has had

>for the past 2 days to him doing a cleansing on himself. I am hoping

>it will turn out to be a good thing. Well anyway, we attribute him to

>being " medically healthy " despite the nuerological condition to this

>to diet.

>

>He has no dairy and no meat. We make fresh juice for him daily. He

>loves spinach, celery and carrots with a dash of ginger. He drinks

>soy dream (it seems to have the most calcium)now, because I started

>introducing the bottle with a large hole in the nipple and he got used

>to it. It also became a behavioral thing. We give him lots of fruits

>and veggies. We also make him fresh almond butter, beans, sesame

>seeds, and pumkin seeds for protein. He was put on this diet by an

>Ayurvedic Dr. Spiroulina is also added to his foods. For medical

>purposes he was taken off grains for a while. After one month millet,

>amarynth, and brown rice could be added to his diet.

>

>Does anyone else have similar diets?? This diet seems the most

>logical for his seizure disorder and his overall well being. If

>anyone would like to see the whole diet please email me.

>

>

>

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My husband must be your husbands long lost twin. (Except there is

> probably a large age difference!) No ideas, huh? I'd just cook

> healthy, and let him go hungry if he didn't want to eat it, but he

>has > gone on hunger strikes for it. ACK! He drives me nuts!>

> Shalia

> >>

I got this today and thought it " fit " this tread.....~~Gena

TODAY'S MESSAGE

During the past several years, I can't tell you how many people

have written me with the same question.

" What do I do? My family thinks I'm nuts with this way of

eating. "

If you haven't grappled with this question, the odds are mighty

good that you live alone or else you've been blessed with

something truly rare: 100% supportive friends and family.

Most of us, when we begin our diet and lifestyle changes, often

have to clear more hurdles than an Olympic track and field star.

When we say we're changing our diet, most of the time everyone

from our parents to our spouses to our kids proclaim in no

uncertain terms that we've taken complete leave of our senses.

After all, the authorities in the medical and nutritional

professions, as well as the government experts, have stated

quite clearly that the standard American diet of meat and

potatoes, along with processed food and soft drinks, will keep

us happy and fit.

Oh yes, they always remind us to get five servings a day of

fruit and vegetables, but we know they don't really mean this

because they tell us with so much assurance that the processed

foods most people live on are healthy and good and that disease

has no connection to what we eat.

We not only have the so-called " health experts " repeating an

untruth, but we have the ad experts on Madison Avenue laying it

on even thicker.

" Milk does a body good, " we're told, and everywhere we look we

see happy celebrities and super athletes with white mustaches

from their latest chug of cow juice.

I always wonder if these famous people are so happy because

milk really makes them feel good or if they're actually grinning

from the incredible amounts of money the milk industry has paid

them to pose for such stupid photographs?

You want to know the truth about milk? Go visit Cohn's

website at:

http://www.notmilk.com

" Beef, it's what's for dinner. " A generation of kids grew up

with this idea, along with my generation whose mothers were

taught in high school in the 40's and 50's that they were

delinquent with their families if they didn't serve meat and

dairy at least twice a day to their husbands and children.

Unfortunately, what the food and medical establishments have

taught us has helped to make America a sick society with the

highest medical expenses in the history of the world.

If what we're eating is so good for us and if we have the best

medical care in the world, why are so many people in this

country so sick with so many chronic illnesses?

Yet, what happens if we wake up when we're exposed to an

alternative way of eating and living? What if we decide to take

charge of our own lives? What if we do something as simple as to

say, " Family, I'm changing my diet - I'm going to stop eating

meat, dairy, white flour, sugar, and salt " ?

I'll tell you what happens. Many family members start acting

like you're insulting them by wanting to change your diet and

lifestyle.

I mean, seriously, don't we each have the right to put into our

bodies what we want to put into them? Don't we have an

obligation to share with loved ones a better way if we find one?

Yes, of course we do.

But we slam head-on into brick walls if it means giving up

Dunkin' Donuts, meat and potatoes, soft drinks and chocolate,

Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.

What a horrible, stressful situation we often find ourselves in.

One partner in a marriage finds a better way to eat and live,

and yet the other partner won't have a thing to do with it.

Indeed, on many occasions he/she treats the new approach with

scorn and contempt.

Happily, these conflicts can be resolved, over time, especially

if the marriage is strong and if the relationship is indeed an

equal partnership.

On many occasions, I've heard something like, " My husband

wouldn't have a thing to do with this diet. So I had to make

different meals. Meat and potatoes for him and the children and

rice and veggies for me. But, you know what, after he and the

kids saw me losing all this weight and getting so much more

energy, pretty soon they wanted to try it too. "

So, the story does have a happy ending in many cases, and

everyone in the family upgrades their diet and enjoys newfound

health, but in situations like these the health-conscious spouse

has to have endless patience and good humor.

Others have partners who just plain won't make any switches no

matter what. And these spouses not only won't try a new way,

they expect to continue to be waited on hand and foot while

heaping scorn on a vegetarian lifestyle.

Although several of you have asked me what to do in such a

relationship, I don't know what to suggest for men and women who

have to deal with this kind of stress because every marriage is

different.

If some of you have worked your way through a problem similar

to what I just described, I hope you'll share your solutions

because doing so would help several 21-dayers right now.

I consider the problem of unsupportive family and friends to be

the single most difficult thing to overcome when you decide to

live and eat non-conventionally, especially after you get

through detox and into health for the long-term. Most families

and spouses will humor you for a few weeks, but if it looks like

you're into something they consider weird for the rest of your

life, then it can get sticky, to say the least.

It's an on-going struggle, and unless you live alone, you have

to find and live the strength of your convictions the best you

can in the circumstances you are in.

It's not easy, but I believe the rewards in terms of health and

well being are ultimately worth the price.

I honor and bow in respect to each and every one of you who are

fighting this hard and often lonely battle.

On that rather somber note, let's move to a recipe that'll make

all of us feel better!

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TODAY'S RECIPE

( G. sent this from " The Garden of Eden Raw Fruit &

Vegetable Recipes " by Phyllis Avery

APPLE BLUEBERRY PUDDING (actually, it's more like a raw granola)

2 sweet apples, chopped (Sprinkle with lemon or lime)

1 basket of blueberries (frozen blueberries works well also)

3/4 cup whole barley

1 cup organic fresh apple juice

1/2 cup chopped soaked almonds

Dash of cinnamon

Soak barley in apple juice overnight... or two nights is

better. Drain excess juice from barley if desired. (I usually

leave it in.) I use my Cuisinart to chop the apples and

almonds. It gets the almonds in a more chewable size. Combine

ingredients. Enjoy! Note: This recipe has made a hit with

everyone, including my grandchildren. I make it often. Serves

two.

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SUCCESS STORIES

Dear Chet:

Things happen for a reason. I thought I was going to die due to

the pain and suffering of a gall bladder attack Jan 7. I took

the pills the doctor gave me, but after two days I took matters

into my own hands and started researching this on my own.

Thanks to Sheila's Intestinal list I was able to get tons of

help -- they referred me to so much information...

I thank God for the warning bell -- it straightened me out and

before the New Year I was 133 lbs. and managed to go down to

127. The gall bladder attack brought me down to 117, and I

gained some of it back. Thanks to your 21-day program I am now a

size 6 and cannot wait to show off my figure. I went shopping

today and boy do I look good! (I was a size 10 to 12.) I am

only 4' 11 " .

I hope you do this every quarter. I am amazed at how much

excess food we consume when we do not need to. I followed your

diet 85% to 98% of the time with great results. The more I

adhere to it the greater the benefits. I know I will resume

more eating but never like I used to do.

God bless you so very much. I am ready for your next project.

Sincerely,

Vicki P.

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The following letter was addressed to someone on the 21-Day

Support List and is full of helpful advice and information:

You will not detox or lose weight sufficiently on two cooked

meals a day. You need to give your body plenty of live food

(enzymes) to get your metabolism going. Cooked food is harder

for your body to digest, therefore taking energy away from your

body to detox. Live foods cause your body to clean house more

quickly. The more live foods the faster the detox, the more

cooked foods, the slower.

If you eat a large fruit or vegetable salad at lunch and a

large vegetable salad at dinner, along with exercising at least

20 min. a day, you could lose about 2 lbs. a week. That is if

you are eliminating junk foods, meats, and dairy products, also.

I go on a cleansing program about every 4 months (juice only

for 2 weeks). This is a good time for enemas. I personally

recommend them under certain circumstances. The benefits are

worth it. Our colons have taken years of abuse from poor diets.

I changed my diet to largely raw about 1 year ago, because I

was diagnosed with a serious disease. It has changed my life

dramatically. I thank God for showing me there was a better

way. I lost 40 lbs. in 4 months. I'm a size 4 again.

I had been gradually changing my diet prior to that time, but I

was still eating chicken and more cooked foods, but was not

losing any weight. When I eliminated meat and dairy and began

walking daily my weight started dropping about 2 lbs. per week.

I no longer have asthma, sinuses, aches in my legs and hips

that I had, allergies, or even headaches. I feel better than I

have felt in many, many years.

I did go through some serious detoxing, however. I was

horribly sick for 1 full month, and then I went through a few

other shorter term detoxing symptoms. But they were worth it.

I now have an enormous amount of energy.

I admire those of you who have decided to change your diets to

just get healthier or lose weight. I waited until I HAD to. I

wish I had known this information sooner. Maybe I wouldn't have

gotten sick in the first place.

Just keep pressing on. It does get better. Live foods will

taste better to you than dead foods. Your body will crave them

more and more. As soon as you start giving the body better

nutrition than it has, it immediately begins to eliminate the

bad cells to replace them with better cells. It just takes time.

Good luck to all.

Marilyn S.

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CHET'S CLOSING WORDS

I hope you have a wonderful Saturday. Remember that it's

important to slow down on the weekends and to get some extra

rest, if possible. Also, treat yourself to some healthy sweets,

if chocolate or other old favorites tempt you. This will sound

silly, but if you soak a handful of organic raisins in a glass

of water, you'll have a taste treat that's out of this world.

Just don't let the raisins get too plump. About 3-4 hours will

do the job just right. And you can drink the soak water, for a

healthy soft drink.

See you tomorrow, if the snow doesn't take out the electricity,

that is. We had two inches on Friday of the white stuff and it

was a nice sight to see, watching it come down as I sat here and

answered e-mail.

Chet

Chet Day

Editor, H & B Weekly

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In a message dated 3/15/99 1:44:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

arjay@... writes:

<< Does anyone actually follow his diet tips only two oz. of fat cheese a

week, >>

,

YOO HOO! I love cheese, and I was not eating ANY because that's what the

diet said... Where'd you find the 2 oz note? At least I can have some once

in a while now!

[Guest guest]

I find the diet and water the hardest part. What else is there tho other than

taking our meds. We are BAD. Me anyway. I don't think I would feel any

better if I followed the diet, but I watch my sugar intake and rarely drink

colas. My downfall are CHEESIES. I love cheese too. I think the dairy

would be worse. I was reading a Chatelaine or Family Circle Magazine article

about butter, and apparently butter can be made from " horse " , goat, or any other

animals' milk. I guess milk is milk. I almost gagged! Horse milk! Won't

catch me milking a horse.

Bev

rheumatic diet

http://www.bbonline.com/va/foxhill

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[Guest guest]

I would worry more about the hormones they are giving cows to make them

produce more milk. I get my butter from a friend with a cow and

sometime this spring I will once again have a dairy goat--best milk in

the world. A bear ate my last one with luck I'll get him this year.

> Briarwood wrote:

>

> I find the diet and water the hardest part. What else is there tho

> other than taking our meds. We are BAD. Me anyway. I don't think

> I would feel any better if I followed the diet, but I watch my sugar

> intake and rarely drink colas. My downfall are CHEESIES. I love

> cheese too. I think the dairy would be worse. I was reading a

> Chatelaine or Family Circle Magazine article about butter, and

> apparently butter can be made from " horse " , goat, or any other

> animals' milk. I guess milk is milk. I almost gagged! Horse

> milk! Won't catch me milking a horse.

>

> Bev

>

> rheumatic diet

>

> http://www.bbonline.com/va/foxhill

> RA Chat: http://members.tripod.com/~Mark_Holmes/RA/ra.html

> mholmes@... ICQ # 18123139

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>

[Guest guest]

you are a real pioneer lady. A bear ate your goat? Poor goat.

Sounds like one of the fairy tales but it was usually a wolf. LOL In

Canada they didn't allow BSE to be put in the milk. I'm glad. What kind of

goat do you have?

Bev

Re: rheumatic Re: diet

>I would worry more about the hormones they are giving cows to make them

>produce more milk. I get my butter from a friend with a cow and

>sometime this spring I will once again have a dairy goat--best milk in

>the world. A bear ate my last one with luck I'll get him this year.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Judy,

Its the same with me the less I eat the better I feel.

presumably because the liver doesnt have to work so

hard. I find now that i cant overeat as I find it

makes my liver hurt.

Elena

--- JBerry122@... wrote:

> From: JBerry122@...

>

> Dear Group:

> I know I'm new here and probably bombarding you

> with too many

> questions, but I was wondering about how much a part

> our diets have to do

> with liver problems. For myself, it plays a major

> role in how I feel. The

> less or lighter I eat, the better I feel. Is there

> some recommended diet for

> liver problems? Or, in particular, some sort of

> juice fasting comes to mind,

> that might help. Would love to hear some feedback

> on this.

> Judy

> ALSO: I've recently read your discussions about

> Milk Thistle and other

> herbs, but no one has mentioned Sam-E. It's a new

> supplement that GNC has

> and it was on the news recently. Evidently, it's a

> natural substance that

> our liver produces ... or a healthy liver does.

> People are taking it to aid

> in liver function and it boosts a person's mood.

> Has anyone tried it or have

> any more information?

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I also saw my Dietician today. I think she has me on the same kind of

guidelines as yourself, Geri. At least 3 to 4 servings of protein a day (1

with each meal). She stresses chicken, peanut butter, eggs, yoghurt, and

cheese. Milk with every meal if possible, for both the calcium and protein.

In addition to helping provide needed nutrients, she also emphasized that

protein is essential in helping the liver repair itself. Good enough for

me! I find it very easy to eat these things knowing they are healing foods!

I don't know if everyone is also on Calcium Supplements, but my doctors have

stressed it. 1500mg Calcium per day, and 1000iu Vitamin D to help the body

absorb the calcium. My dietician gave me some helpful hints today regarding

this as well. Take the Calcium in 500mg tablet form 3x per day, because the

body cannot absorb more than this amount at one time, and any more can cause

stomach discomfort. Also, taking it with milk and food aids absorption.

I also heard to stay away from animal fats, which is why I stick to chicken

and fish. Fish such as salmon and tuna (I believe) have essential omega-3

fatty acids which help ease inflammation.

That's all from me for now! Take care everyone!

>From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>Reply- onelist

> onelist

>Subject: Re: [ ] Digest Number 130

>Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:46:51 -0700

>

>From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

>,

>I wasn't told to stay away from anything! I don't know if that was because

>it didn't matter or because they just neglected to tell me what I had to

>do. I was sent to a Dietician, however, by the transplant doctors as part

>of pre-transplant evaluation.

>

>No warning to me about alcohol because I'd already told them I don't drink

>since it usually makes me sick. I was told that I require almost a full

>pound of protein daily - far more than I could possibly consume. I asked

>about alternatives to meat, like beans, etc., and the dietician thought

>that I would never be able to eat enough of them in a day to give me the

>amount of protein I need.

>

>The reason for the high protein requirement (for me) is because, despite

>apparent weight gains, there can be a danger of malnutrition due to the

>liver's failure to absorb necessary nutrients. However, for some people

>who have a problem with ammonia in their systems, animal proteins are to be

>avoided.

>

>I was also told that I should avoid any kind of raw fish (sushi), shellfish

>unless well cooked, and raw meats (like carpacchio?). This is because of

>the Prednisone, not the liver disease, or so I understood. Salt should be

>restricted to around 2000 mgs. daily if possible, if fluid retention is a

>problem.

>

>I've noticed that many of us have been given entirely different dietary

>guidelines so it's difficult to know what's right.

>Geri

>

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

oops, I forgot a couple of other things she said. Avoid using the salt

shaker, and cut down/out salty foods. These include processed foods

(ie.Kraft dinner, process cheese etc), canned soups, and fast foods because

they're high in sodium. I notice that these foods cause my liver and

stomach to ache now anyways. ok. Think I'm done. Sweet dreams

everyone....

>From: emily simpson <esimpson7@...>

>Reply- onelist

> onelist

>Subject: Re: [ ] Diet

>Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 21:42:14 PDT

>

>From: emily simpson <esimpson7@...>

>

>

>Hi all,

>

>I also saw my Dietician today. I think she has me on the same kind of

>guidelines as yourself, Geri. At least 3 to 4 servings of protein a day (1

>with each meal). She stresses chicken, peanut butter, eggs, yoghurt, and

>cheese. Milk with every meal if possible, for both the calcium and

>protein.

> In addition to helping provide needed nutrients, she also emphasized that

>protein is essential in helping the liver repair itself. Good enough for

>me! I find it very easy to eat these things knowing they are healing

>foods!

>

>I don't know if everyone is also on Calcium Supplements, but my doctors

>have

>stressed it. 1500mg Calcium per day, and 1000iu Vitamin D to help the body

>absorb the calcium. My dietician gave me some helpful hints today

>regarding

>this as well. Take the Calcium in 500mg tablet form 3x per day, because

>the

>body cannot absorb more than this amount at one time, and any more can

>cause

>stomach discomfort. Also, taking it with milk and food aids absorption.

>

>I also heard to stay away from animal fats, which is why I stick to chicken

>and fish. Fish such as salmon and tuna (I believe) have essential omega-3

>fatty acids which help ease inflammation.

>

>That's all from me for now! Take care everyone!

>

>

>

>>From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>>Reply- onelist

>> onelist

>>Subject: Re: [ ] Digest Number 130

>>Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 13:46:51 -0700

>>

>>From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>>

>>,

>>I wasn't told to stay away from anything! I don't know if that was

>>because

>>it didn't matter or because they just neglected to tell me what I had to

>>do. I was sent to a Dietician, however, by the transplant doctors as part

>>of pre-transplant evaluation.

>>

>>No warning to me about alcohol because I'd already told them I don't drink

>>since it usually makes me sick. I was told that I require almost a full

>>pound of protein daily - far more than I could possibly consume. I asked

>>about alternatives to meat, like beans, etc., and the dietician thought

>>that I would never be able to eat enough of them in a day to give me the

>>amount of protein I need.

>>

>>The reason for the high protein requirement (for me) is because, despite

>>apparent weight gains, there can be a danger of malnutrition due to the

>>liver's failure to absorb necessary nutrients. However, for some people

>>who have a problem with ammonia in their systems, animal proteins are to

>>be

>>avoided.

>>

>>I was also told that I should avoid any kind of raw fish (sushi),

>>shellfish

>>unless well cooked, and raw meats (like carpacchio?). This is because of

>>the Prednisone, not the liver disease, or so I understood. Salt should be

>>restricted to around 2000 mgs. daily if possible, if fluid retention is a

>>problem.

>>

>>I've noticed that many of us have been given entirely different dietary

>>guidelines so it's difficult to know what's right.

>>Geri

>>

>>

>>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/6/99 5:56:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

hearnwic@... writes:

<< Hi, I've been on ATD for the last year. They have done their job I

suppose. That is my T3 and T4 numbers are in the normal range but my TSH is

still low. When I first walked into the endo's office I weighed 145 lb. had

BP of 125/60, ran 5K a day, but I was as mad as a hatter. I had been losing

muscle and gaining fat. I was so weak I could hardly stand. I now weigh

close to 220. My BP lowest is 150/90 and I am a zombie. I seem to be

incapable of doing even the smallest of chores. I lost my job.

But the big problem is I am a diabetic. Is there a diet that can

help me? >>

Hi

It sounds to me like you're having symptoms of both hyperT and hypoT

at the same time. Your TSH being low with normal T3 and T4 also seems to

support this. We've seen this in other people.

All your symptoms of being weak, unable to do anything, losing muscle

mass while exercising, and having psychotic symptoms ( " mad as a hatter " ) all

indicate a copper deficiency. Incidentally our bodies need copper to

manufacture insulin, so diabetes fits right in with a copper deficiency.

The fact that you've gained weight and have little energy also

indicates zinc and selenium deficiencies. I think if a person gets deficient

in zinc and selenium but has adequate copper, she will get hypoT. If she is

deficient in copper and selenium but has adequate zinc, then she'll get

hyperT. And if all three deficiencies occur simultaneously, you'll get what

you have--symptoms of both and basically have a total breakdown with

absolutely no energy.

Fortunately the situation is correctable. The other deficiencies

that you might have are manganese and/or chromium. It's a good idea to get a

hair analysis so that you know what you are deficient in so you don't

supplement haphazardly.

Anyone interested in getting a hair analysis can contact Dr. Larry

(email: shekinah@...). He will do it for about $100. There

are other ways to get hair analyses and many doctors offer that service.

Going through Dr. seems cost-effective and he has a lot of experience

in interpreting the results. If you get a result, please send me a copy so

that I can accumulate the information.

It's possible to go from " zombie " to " super-dynamo " by supplementing

and correcting your deficiencies, but when you're a zombie it is hard to

imagine (I've been there). Consult the Supplement List and start

supplementing with the copper, zinc, and selenium and the other nutrients

that work with them. In your situation, you might find that a multiple which

is supplemented with extra copper, selenium, and chromium might make a big

difference.

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Janelle and Geri:

I have an interesting story concerning shellfish. When I had x-rays where they

inject dye into your bloodstream I had a terrible allergic reaction - my entire

body burned and I was throwing up. They had to stop the x-ray I got so sick.

Anyway, they asked me if I was allergic to shellfish --- evidentally the dye

they

use is made of shellfish. I guess I am allergic now.

I hope none of you have this reaction if you have to have any of these tests.

Has

anyone had any of the tests? Did you have a reaction?

Kaye AIH Ohio

Janelle Asplund wrote:

> Hi Geri. My doctor didn't give me any dietary restrictions, but I'm busily

> imposing a bunch on myself, since it seems foolish not to do the simple things

I

> can to help matters (or at least not make them worse). I thought the problem

> with shellfish was not only that it's salty, but if eaten raw can be carrying

> major bacteria, which of course those of us with suppressed immune systems

want

> to avoid. Just thought I'd throw my two cents in.

>

> I wonder what foods would be left if we stopped eating all the things we're

been

> told are bad for us either because of the AIH or the meds...

>

> Janelle AIH

> Seattle

> ______________________________ Forward Header

__________________________________

> Subject: Re: [ ] Digest Number 130

> Author: spangs@... at Internet-USA

> Date: 7/6/99 3:46 PM

>

> From: Geri Spang <spangs@...>

>

> ,

> I wasn't told to stay away from anything! I don't know if that was because

> it didn't matter or because they just neglected to tell me what I had to

> do. I was sent to a Dietician, however, by the transplant doctors as part

> of pre-transplant evaluation.

>

> No warning to me about alcohol because I'd already told them I don't drink

> since it usually makes me sick. I was told that I require almost a full

> pound of protein daily - far more than I could possibly consume. I asked

> about alternatives to meat, like beans, etc., and the dietician thought

> that I would never be able to eat enough of them in a day to give me the

> amount of protein I need.

>

> The reason for the high protein requirement (for me) is because, despite

> apparent weight gains, there can be a danger of malnutrition due to the

> liver's failure to absorb necessary nutrients. However, for some people

> who have a problem with ammonia in their systems, animal proteins are to be

> avoided.

>

> I was also told that I should avoid any kind of raw fish (sushi), shellfish

> unless well cooked, and raw meats (like carpacchio?). This is because of

> the Prednisone, not the liver disease, or so I understood. Salt should be

> restricted to around 2000 mgs. daily if possible, if fluid retention is a

> problem.

>

> I've noticed that many of us have been given entirely different dietary

> guidelines so it's difficult to know what's right.

> Geri

>

>

> ---------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Thank you for answering me. I have just been to the naturopath. I

printed out the list of supplements which you had sent me. He was quite

impressed because even atlernative medicine has little to offer people

with Graves. He did suggest a hair analysis

which I will have done. My endo is quite concerned with my state but at

least he does not believe in RAI. I was a model diabetic I monitored

everthing I ate and recorded all my meds and blood sugars. I think I

was one of the 5% who could keep my sugar levels in the normal range.

But now I am completely indifferent to sugar levels as I am most other

things. Maybe it's depression but it does'nt feel like depression just a

weird kind of apathy. I am going to start on the supplements. One

thing that was very interesting about the copper was the sensitivity to

the sun. I burn as if I am an albino. I am fair but not that fair. I

will keep you informed on how things are going.Thank you again

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[Guest guest]

She stresses chicken, peanut butter, eggs, yoghurt, and cheese.

Thanks for all the good information . I'm guessing your nutritionist

thinks the protein value of eggs, cheese, and peanut butter outweigh their

fat content?

Janelle AIH

Seattle

[Guest guest]

>--- evidentally the dye they

> use is made of shellfish.

Actually, x-ray dye and shellfish both contain iodine.

BTW, iodized salt has iodine added. It makes my wife's nose itch to eat

salted popcorn! She has slowly developed a very strong reaction to

shellfish.

Don

[Guest guest]

Kaye:

Not me but I eat shell fish one in a great while.

Really don't want that test.

Sue AIH

Wisconsin