Weight....

[Guest guest]

Donna,

I think s lesion picture is in " Album 3 " ....

> >

> > Sis,

> >

> > Sorry to jump in these pictures they say they posted of

> I think or

> > some rash. I can't find them at all???????? I was gonna see if

> you could redo

> > that link to the picture of it. It said click on the link to

the

> left there

> > was none on my screen anyway???? Thanks so much you are a gem.

> >

> > Donna

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, that is a hypo Free T4....7 is usually the bottom of the range

for Free T4.

http://www.endocrineweb.com/TFT.html

To maintain health, a person probably needs to be over the midpoint

of the range...and if on oral thyroid hormone, probably for sure in

the upper 1/3 of the range for Free T4.

Your total T3 should be higher too, but a better test is the Free

T3...which shows T3 unbound by anything (like estrogen) and

available for use.

That is an unusually low TSH...almost looks like central hypo (hypo

originating from the pituitary)...unless you're on some medication

that affects TSH.

You do have some antibodies...but i'm not sure this is Hashi's with

that low TSH....I'd suspect something else causing the hypo.

although it's not unheard of...

cindi

>

> Sis...

> What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range for

> mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

> Free T3 was 295 (ref = 230 to 420)

> Thyroglobulin was 17.9 (ref = 2.0 to 35.0)

> Thryroglobulin Antibodies was less than 20. (ref is less than 20)

> Thyroid Stimulating Hormone was 105% (Baseline is <= 125%)

>

> Any comments anyone....is my free T4 too low???

[Guest guest]

btw, when I was diagnosed and began treatment...my own Free T4 was .77.

Cindi

>

> Sis...

> What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range for

> mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

[Guest guest]

that's right...selenium aids in conversion of T4 to T3.

A great book for you ladies would be Hypothyroidism Type 2 or Dr.

Hotze's, Health, Hormones and Happiness.

Cindi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cindi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had TSH, free T3 and T4 tested, but I don't recall if

I

> had

> > > >the

> > > > > > antibodies tested. Could the other three tests be

normal

> > with

> > > >the

> > > > > > missing link being the antibodies?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given

> > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

> or

> > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any

medical

> > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for

a

> > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> > (1954,

> > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

> > >

> >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > utterfly.com/action/

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> > > >

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

Thanks....

Steroids suppress the thyroid.....and for a whlle I was getting the

shots...for this skin rash....and applying topical steroid

creams...etc. Probably over a 2 year peiod of time. Then there were

the times I got poison ivy!!! Yuk!

I had looked things up ....and you're right...low numbers all the

way around indicate something from the pituitary......

An ultrasound sound showed a slight enlargement of the thyroid at

the same time these test were run. THis was all done back in

December.

I no longer have the " gag " feeling in my throat.just a small gag

sometimes when swallowing....

I don't know if I have antibodies or not....it says less than 20 but

doesn't give me a specific number.

My hair is not falling out....

You know...I wonder if my skin rash is more thyroid related...than

implant related. uummmmmm

> >

> > Sis...

> > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range

for

> > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

> > Free T3 was 295 (ref = 230 to 420)

> > Thyroglobulin was 17.9 (ref = 2.0 to 35.0)

> > Thryroglobulin Antibodies was less than 20. (ref is less than

20)

> > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone was 105% (Baseline is <= 125%)

> >

> > Any comments anyone....is my free T4 too low???

>

[Guest guest]

Yes....

I probably do need Armour. My twin sister has Graves....my older

sister is hypo.......

and my doctor KNOW this....but hasn't put me on anything......

, " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...> wrote

> btw, when I was diagnosed and began treatment...my own Free T4

was .77.

> Cindi

>

>

> >

> > Sis...

> > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range for

> > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry, I'm sorry for all you have been though. I guess you'll never know. It's certainly plausible that all your troubles were instigated by the presence of implants, and if not instigated, then certainly exacerbated. Patty_00_ <5678@...> wrote: My silicone implants were placed in 1974. In 1977, I developed trigeminal neuralgia for which I still must take pain medication every few hours. In 1980, I was diagnosed as hypothyroid. In 1985, I had emergency back surgery for a herniated disk that fractured and migrated such that a fragment was penetrating my spinal cord and beginning an ascending paralysis. I weighed only 80 pounds, not at all the typical candidate for such a disorder. In 1995

following having been defrauded personally by a business associate of more than $50 million and left destitute and homeless with a corporate personal debt that, today, approached $16 million, I developed my systemic skin rash from which I still suffer severely. I am scarred all over my body from a decade of scratching. Currently, I have open lesions all over my scalp, back and abdomen. At the same time, for the first time, I began to gain weight. For the past five years, nothing has been successful in my efforts to lose the excess 20 pounds. All my life I struggled with being underweight. Now, this weight gain, hair loss and fatigue also coincide with menopause and with the severe trauma and stress of having been a crime victim (my best friend was murdered by my attorney in the white collar scam because I'd given him shares of stock in my company and he was killed in order to steal those shares that were soon valued at $18 million.... Molly, was there during

this and can verify that what I am saying is absolutely truthful) and also follow a severe incident with infectious mononucleosis so it is scientifically impossibly to say with certainty that the implants are the sole cause. __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow - 2 years of steroidal potions...

I had so much skin damage from hypo that I put together an article

to give more info on skin and low thyroid hormone levels:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/your-skin-and-hypothyroidism/

What kind of rash did you have?

The more common problems are dryness, of course..all the way up to

fish-scale skin...but hypo can cause all sorts of weird skin stuff.

Cindi

> > >

> > > Sis...

> > > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range

> for

> > > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

> > > Free T3 was 295 (ref = 230 to 420)

> > > Thyroglobulin was 17.9 (ref = 2.0 to 35.0)

> > > Thryroglobulin Antibodies was less than 20. (ref is less than

> 20)

> > > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone was 105% (Baseline is <= 125%)

> > >

> > > Any comments anyone....is my free T4 too low???

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more autoimmune diseases after having

just the implants removed. I keep getting new diseases and not getting any

better. Does this ever stop! Margie

>From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

>Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

>Donna,

> It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well remember my early days of

>discovery about what was happening to me, and then the healing process, and

>finally coming to grips with the idea that I may never be the same again.

>It's just not right. Doctors should warn women, tell prospective patients

>just how serious autoimmune diseases can be. Elaborate on the subject to

>make sure it is understood completely. Not to do so is criminal. It's

>deceptive. They downplay any risks associated with implants and make you

>think these things are just plain safe.

>

> What's worse is when you do show some of the symptoms that they glossed

>over, they say, " it's not the implants. " They are in a huge state of

>denial. (And they think we are the ones that have psycho problems!)

>

> I remember the nurse telling me to my face when I told her of all the

>symptoms I was experiencing " the implants are the safest on the market " .

>As if that concept will make a difference to MY body! They can claim

> " safety " till they are blue in the face, but if my immune system, my

>genetics, my organs can't handle the presence of silicone like thousands of

>other people, they are not safe to me! My thyroid doesn't care if they are

>the safest on the market! My body's truth is superior to their truth...and

>it's the one I gotta live with.

>

> Donna, don't give up hope for healing from this. While it's true that

>there may be some sort of permanent damage, your chances for being able to

>go forward and live an exciting life again like you used to can be realized

>with dedication to detoxification, a good positive outlook on life, and

>proper treatment. We do have to live with reality, but we dont' have to

>give up our hopes and dreams because of it. Hopes and dreams are what

>propel us forward, and give us joy in living. I live with joy each and

>every day of my life because of the hope I have. It's hope that God gave

>me!

> Hugs,

> Patty

>

>

>

>

>BSBanshee1@... wrote:

> Patty,

>

> You are always so kind I like to read your responses. This is true to

>have a positive outlook, it is just hard I guess because reality hasn't hit

>me in the face yet. I want to believe I will be healed from this but

>reality is that I will have for rest of my life. I just don't want to face

>that I guess. It is hard, I feel like I have been put through hell after

>being sick for over a year now. I know a lot of others are sick a lot

>longer than I was before removal. I am thankful I found out the truth so

>soon. I think I am still in shock and I don't look good. I don't feel

>good. It's summer time and hard to grasp. I think it might take time for

>me to first get over how I was left to die by my PS, second the finding of

>truth and third the reality of a permanent illness. I will adjust it might

>just take a little bit. Thanks for the support Patty.

>

> Donna

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

well you're not alone...again, getting a low thyroid condition

diagnosed and properly treated in this country is quite hard...it's

a real problem. And yet just raising thyroid hormone levels to

optimum levels can make so much difference. Hypos can't even

excrete toxins right and so that is an important factor I think.

Thyroid hormone affects every single cell in the body.

You probably have Hashi's since your sister has Graves...the gene

for these thyroid disorders are a recessive gene..implants could

have triggered it if you didn't have symptoms before that.

Cindi

> > >

> > > Sis...

> > > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range

for

> > > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi...

What were your other readings????

> >

> > Sis...

> > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range for

> > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

>

[Guest guest]

I believe I explained that probably " surgery " and drop in thyroid

hormone levels did that. and yes, a foreign object in the body

couldn't help. but the disease was already present. you can die

from the disease if untreated...it progresses anyway. i just

hurried it along with surgery/implants.

If it were the implants, I would still be that sick.

Please understand - i'm not recommending implants or saying they are

in any way good for a person.

In fact I can pretty definitively say that had my cognitive function

not already been affected by hashi's/hypo...i would not have made

the implant decision. Because 10 years prior it would never have

been a consideration.

I don't disagree with your assesssment that an autoimmune person

having implants is risky. But we should not make blanket statements

that all women should remove them. Sometimes it is best to let

sleeping dogs lie...and for me, it would be stupid at this time to

upset my health by undergoing surgery for a possible future

problem.

Cindi

>

> Actaully, you have had problems. You stated it yourself....that

it triggered your Hashimoto's from moderate to severe mode.

>

> Implants will only do you more harm in the long run. One thing

is for sure...they're not going to make your state of autoimmunity

any better! And certainly can make it worse. I am sure you know

that having one autoimmune disease can lead to others, such as

lupus.

>

> I am glad you are " maintaining " , but I have to really

wonder...are the implants worth it?

> Knowing that implants have killed women, I'd say you are playing

dangerously!

> Patty

[Guest guest]

with that range, that's pretty severe.

one usually sees the over 2 range...

and then another type measurement range that start with over 30 being

diagnostic of hashi's.

cindi

>

> I believe when I was first diagnosed with Hashimoto's my Anti-TPO

antibodies were listed as 7.9 on a scale of 0.0 to 2.0.

> Patty

[Guest guest]

Yes, Cindi, my Ob/Gyn says the same, you should go by the symptoms if

your thyroid is in the " normal' range.

Lynda

At 08:39 AM 6/5/2006, you wrote:

>At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

>

>My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

>cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

>

>evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose appropriately...but

>over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to

>reflect the severity of my hypo.

>

>I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are

>deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still have

>a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a lowered

>antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from the

>disease and the antibodies have gone down.

>

>Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

>hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like mine.

>cindi

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Cindi...

> > What were your other readings????

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given

>by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician or

>licensed health care professional before commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

>mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

>decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

>better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

>Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

>

>See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.shutterfly.co\

m/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree....symptoms are a good indication of need. I wish doctors thought like that though! They are all about numbers. Cindi, did you find a good doctor to work with that thinks like you? Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3. My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous cachexia..the last stage of hypo. evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose appropriately...but over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to reflect the severity of my hypo. I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still have a pretty good thyroid gland

function...or in my own case, a lowered antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from the disease and the antibodies have gone down. Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like mine. cindi __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I also have taken the route of self medication, but I do not have the testing done. How do you get regular testing while self-medicating? I upped my Armour dosages a few weeks ago and ended up with splitting headaches....I know it was too much for me, so I had to back down again. Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: nope. after firing two doctors (both wanting me on different dosages)....and then having one doctor fire me (i refused to change the dosage amount on which i'd been well and happy for over a year)...i made the choice like so many others to self-medicate. There is no rocket science behind treating hypo symptoms...you take enough to not have hypo symptoms. I've been on the same dosage now for over 2 years. better than

i've been in the past 20 years. that's why my thyroidal buddies from Natural Thyroid hormones started our site/forum at www.stopthethyroidmadness. It's time to get back to the old ways (when it was treated by symptoms before there were labs) so folks can stay well. but there are doctors who "get" this..i just got tired of paying $$$...and am doing so well..I figured why bother right now. Cindi> At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous > cachexia..the last stage of hypo. > > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose appropriately...but > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to > reflect the severity of my hypo. > > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still have > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a lowered > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from the > disease and the antibodies have gone down. > > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like mine. > cindi> > >

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[Guest guest]

www.healthcheckusa.com

Armour is best taken multi-dosed...with a 2nd dose after the

first...about 6 hours later. This is because of the short life of

the straight T3 that is in ARmour.

yea..too much can make your head hurt...and ears buzz. but you may

need more...just spaced out during another dose. some folks take 3-

4 doses a day because of weak adrenal function and that's all they

can tolerate at one time.

Cindi

> > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> >

> > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

> > cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

> >

> > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose

> appropriately...but

> > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to

> > reflect the severity of my hypo.

> >

> > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are

> > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still

> have

> > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a

> lowered

> > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from

the

> > disease and the antibodies have gone down.

> >

> > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

> > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like

> mine.

> > cindi

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Actually I was taking 2 grains in the morning and 2 grains in the afternoon. Now I am on 1 grain in the morning, and if I remember, 1 grain in the afternoon. Thanks for the links on the testing site. How does this work? Do you have to go into a lobal lab and they send you the results? Or is this at-home testing? Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: www.healthcheckusa.comArmour is best taken multi-dosed...with a 2nd dose after the first...about 6 hours later. This is because of the short life of the straight T3 that is in ARmour. yea..too much can make your head hurt...and ears buzz. but you may need more...just spaced out during another dose. some folks take 3-4 doses a day because

of weak adrenal function and that's all they can tolerate at one time. Cindi> > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3. > > > > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous > > cachexia..the last stage of hypo. > > > > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose > appropriately...but > > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to > > reflect the severity of my hypo. > > > > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are > > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still > have > > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a > lowered >

> antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from the > > disease and the antibodies have gone down. > > > > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for > > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like > mine. > > cindi> > > > > > __________________________________________________> >

[Guest guest]

Margie,

Do you know if your capsules were removed? I don't

remember.

If you're actively working at detoxing, you may be

experiencing a herx effect . . . which means that

you'll be feeling better once your body has a chance

to clear the toxins.

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote:

> Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more

> autoimmune diseases after having

> just the implants removed. I keep getting new

> diseases and not getting any

> better. Does this ever stop! Margie

>

>

> >From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

> >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >Donna,

> > It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well

> remember my early days of

> >discovery about what was happening to me, and then

> the healing process, and

> >finally coming to grips with the idea that I may

> never be the same again.

> >It's just not right. Doctors should warn women,

> tell prospective patients

> >just how serious autoimmune diseases can be.

> Elaborate on the subject to

> >make sure it is understood completely. Not to do

> so is criminal. It's

> >deceptive. They downplay any risks associated with

> implants and make you

> >think these things are just plain safe.

> >

> > What's worse is when you do show some of the

> symptoms that they glossed

> >over, they say, " it's not the implants. " They are

> in a huge state of

> >denial. (And they think we are the ones that have

> psycho problems!)

> >

> > I remember the nurse telling me to my face when

> I told her of all the

> >symptoms I was experiencing " the implants are the

> safest on the market " .

> >As if that concept will make a difference to MY

> body! They can claim

> > " safety " till they are blue in the face, but if my

> immune system, my

> >genetics, my organs can't handle the presence of

> silicone like thousands of

> >other people, they are not safe to me! My thyroid

> doesn't care if they are

> >the safest on the market! My body's truth is

> superior to their truth...and

> >it's the one I gotta live with.

> >

> > Donna, don't give up hope for healing from this.

> While it's true that

> >there may be some sort of permanent damage, your

> chances for being able to

> >go forward and live an exciting life again like you

> used to can be realized

> >with dedication to detoxification, a good positive

> outlook on life, and

> >proper treatment. We do have to live with reality,

> but we dont' have to

> >give up our hopes and dreams because of it. Hopes

> and dreams are what

> >propel us forward, and give us joy in living. I

> live with joy each and

> >every day of my life because of the hope I have.

> It's hope that God gave

> >me!

> > Hugs,

> > Patty

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >BSBanshee1@... wrote:

> > Patty,

> >

> > You are always so kind I like to read your

> responses. This is true to

> >have a positive outlook, it is just hard I guess

> because reality hasn't hit

> >me in the face yet. I want to believe I will be

> healed from this but

> >reality is that I will have for rest of my life. I

> just don't want to face

> >that I guess. It is hard, I feel like I have been

> put through hell after

> >being sick for over a year now. I know a lot of

> others are sick a lot

> >longer than I was before removal. I am thankful I

> found out the truth so

> >soon. I think I am still in shock and I don't look

> good. I don't feel

> >good. It's summer time and hard to grasp. I think

> it might take time for

> >me to first get over how I was left to die by my

> PS, second the finding of

> >truth and third the reality of a permanent illness.

> I will adjust it might

> >just take a little bit. Thanks for the support

> Patty.

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

I take 4 1/2 grains.

Most folks do need between 3-5 grains to alleviate symptoms.

I take 2 in the AM, 2 about 5 hrs. later..and then another 1/2 grain

later on in the afternoon/early evening.

Remember you can split those pills..

on healthcheck...

you go to their site...check their list for a lab near you.

then order the tests you want.

they mail you the paperwork...and then you take that and go to that

lab and have the blood drawn.

the results are posted online within days and they also mail you a

hard copy.

for those without insurance..it's actually much cheaper than what

docs would charge for tests.

cindi

> > > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> > >

> > > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

> > > cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

> > >

> > > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose

> > appropriately...but

> > > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH

to

> > > reflect the severity of my hypo.

> > >

> > > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies

are

> > > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and

still

> > have

> > > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a

> > lowered

> > > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from

> the

> > > disease and the antibodies have gone down.

> > >

> > > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

> > > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like

> > mine.

> > > cindi

> > >

> > >

> > > __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Cindi, Thanks for the info. It's half the equation! The other half is where do you get your meds? (I have a source for the Armour, but I am wondering about the cytomel?) Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: I take 4 1/2 grains. Most folks do need between 3-5 grains to alleviate symptoms. I take 2 in the AM, 2 about 5 hrs. later..and then another 1/2 grain later on in the afternoon/early evening. Remember you can split those pills.. on healthcheck...you go to their site...check their list for a lab near you. then order the tests you want. they mail you the paperwork...and then you take that and go to that lab and have the blood drawn. the results are posted online within days and they also mail you a hard copy.

for those without insurance..it's actually much cheaper than what docs would charge for tests. cindi __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Thanks, I will. Pattycindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: I sent you some other sources...I don't use Cytomel and don't currently have source info for that. you might want to join the group, Natural Thyroid Hormones and ask if someone knows a place. Cindi-- In , Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote:>> Cindi,> Thanks for the info. It's half the equation!> The other half is where do you get your meds? (I have a source for the Armour, but I am wondering about the cytomel?) __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

,

I think it's basically which came first, the chicken or the egg. I

didn't have any of these problems one year ago, and I got implants

and suddenly my body started doing all sorts of crazy things, and I

don't think it's a coincidence - especially given the fact that so

many others noticed the same symptoms after getting implants.

Sis

> > >

> > > Sis...

> > > What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range

> for

> > > mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

> > > My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

> > > Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

> > > Free T3 was 295 (ref = 230 to 420)

> > > Thyroglobulin was 17.9 (ref = 2.0 to 35.0)

> > > Thryroglobulin Antibodies was less than 20. (ref is less than

> 20)

> > > Thyroid Stimulating Hormone was 105% (Baseline is <= 125%)

> > >

> > > Any comments anyone....is my free T4 too low???

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

Wow, that's great that you and your friends started a website.

You've been through the same frustrations that many of us have gone

through - when you don't feel well it becomes so frustrating to get

help, and I'm not only saying that from an implant point of view,

I'm saying it from the point of view from anything that isn't easily

diagnosed. We just get shuffled around from doctor to doctor. I've

contacted the holistic practioner who ran my blood work and asked if

she checked for thyroid antibodies. She e-mailed back and said she

doesn't remember but will check on Wednesday when she returns to the

office.

Sis

> > At the time I was diagnosed, they didn't run a Free T3.

> >

> > My TSH was 6. yes. only 6...and I was in myxedematous

> > cachexia..the last stage of hypo.

> >

> > evidently...many moons ago my TSH may have rose

> appropriately...but

> > over the years, my pituitary failed and could not produce TSH to

> > reflect the severity of my hypo.

> >

> > I had TPO and antithyroglobulin antibodies. But antibodies are

> > deceptive. A person can have high antibodies (1000+) and still

> have

> > a pretty good thyroid gland function...or in my own case, a

> lowered

> > antibody count (200 something) and the gland is atrophied from

the

> > disease and the antibodies have gone down.

> >

> > Symptoms will alway be the best diagnostic measure for

> > hypothyroidism. Diagnosing by symptoms avoids scenarios like

> mine.

> > cindi

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Rogene, No, the doctor only removed the implants last April. detoxing is not

really a option due to the aquired blood clotting disease (whick is also

auto immune disorder) I keep getting new autoimmune diseases. Bladder,

vaginal ect..... MARGIE

>From: Rogene S <saxony01@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

>Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:07:50 -0700 (PDT)

>

>

>

>

>Margie,

>

>

>

>Do you know if your capsules were removed? I don't

>

>remember.

>

>

>

>If you're actively working at detoxing, you may be

>

>experiencing a herx effect . . . which means that

>

>you'll be feeling better once your body has a chance

>

>to clear the toxins.

>

>

>

>Hugs,

>

>

>

>Rogene

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>--- Margie Horan <margiehoran@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> > Patty, Have you heard of woman getting more

>

> > autoimmune diseases after having

>

> > just the implants removed. I keep getting new

>

> > diseases and not getting any

>

> > better. Does this ever stop! Margie

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > >From: Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...>

>

> > >Reply-

>

> > >

>

> > >Subject: Re: Re: Weight....

>

> > >Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:07:23 -0700 (PDT)

>

> > >

>

> > >Donna,

>

> > > It's a very bitter pill to swallow. I well

>

> > remember my early days of

>

> > >discovery about what was happening to me, and then

>

> > the healing process, and

>

> > >finally coming to grips with the idea that I may

>

> > never be the same again.

>

> > >It's just not right. Doctors should warn women,

>

> > tell prospective patients

>

> > >just how serious autoimmune diseases can be.

>

> > Elaborate on the subject to

>

> > >make sure it is understood completely. Not to do

>

> > so is criminal. It's

>

> > >deceptive. They downplay any risks associated with

>

> > implants and make you

>

> > >think these things are just plain safe.

>

> > >

>

> > > What's worse is when you do show some of the

>

> > symptoms that they glossed

>

> > >over, they say, " it's not the implants. " They are

>

> > in a huge state of

>

> > >denial. (And they think we are the ones that have

>

> > psycho problems!)

>

> > >

>

> > > I remember the nurse telling me to my face when

>

> > I told her of all the

>

> > >symptoms I was experiencing " the implants are the

>

> > safest on the market " .

>

> > >As if that concept will make a difference to MY

>

> > body! They can claim

>

> > > " safety " till they are blue in the face, but if my

>

> > immune system, my

>

> > >genetics, my organs can't handle the presence of

>

> > silicone like thousands of

>

> > >other people, they are not safe to me! My thyroid

>

> > doesn't care if they are

>

> > >the safest on the market! My body's truth is

>

> > superior to their truth...and

>

> > >it's the one I gotta live with.

>

> > >

>

> > > Donna, don't give up hope for healing from this.

>

> > While it's true that

>

> > >there may be some sort of permanent damage, your

>

> > chances for being able to

>

> > >go forward and live an exciting life again like you

>

> > used to can be realized

>

> > >with dedication to detoxification, a good positive

>

> > outlook on life, and

>

> > >proper treatment. We do have to live with reality,

>

> > but we dont' have to

>

> > >give up our hopes and dreams because of it. Hopes

>

> > and dreams are what

>

> > >propel us forward, and give us joy in living. I

>

> > live with joy each and

>

> > >every day of my life because of the hope I have.

>

> > It's hope that God gave

>

> > >me!

>

> > > Hugs,

>

> > > Patty

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >BSBanshee1@... wrote:

>

> > > Patty,

>

> > >

>

> > > You are always so kind I like to read your

>

> > responses. This is true to

>

> > >have a positive outlook, it is just hard I guess

>

> > because reality hasn't hit

>

> > >me in the face yet. I want to believe I will be

>

> > healed from this but

>

> > >reality is that I will have for rest of my life. I

>

> > just don't want to face

>

> > >that I guess. It is hard, I feel like I have been

>

> > put through hell after

>

> > >being sick for over a year now. I know a lot of

>

> > others are sick a lot

>

> > >longer than I was before removal. I am thankful I

>

> > found out the truth so

>

> > >soon. I think I am still in shock and I don't look

>

> > good. I don't feel

>

> > >good. It's summer time and hard to grasp. I think

>

> > it might take time for

>

> > >me to first get over how I was left to die by my

>

> > PS, second the finding of

>

> > >truth and third the reality of a permanent illness.

>

> > I will adjust it might

>

> > >just take a little bit. Thanks for the support

>

> > Patty.

>

> > >

>

> > > Donna

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > __________________________________________________

>

> > >