Weight....

[Guest guest]

Cindi, you're definitely entitled to your opinion. I had major

surgery in the past and never experienced any problems afterwards,

so my theory is that the implants made me sick, but different

opinions are what makes the world go 'round. I also don't have

Hashi's. I know someone on this group definitely has it, but I

can't remember who!!

Sis

> >

> > Cindi,

> >

> > If you're happy with them and choose to keep them, just continue

> to

> > keep your eye on any changes to your health. Understandable

that

> > you wouldn't want to mess with things if you believe it would

rock

> > the apple cart. I'm sure you're already in tune with your body

> > since you've had immune issues already.

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi - I think my immune system was funky to begin with, and I

agree with you, adding the implants into the mix totally flared

everything up. It's possible that those of us who get sick are

somehow predisposed to immune problems, and either the foreign body

or the chemicals in the implants add to the load and our body

says " tilt " .

Sis

> >

> > Cindi,

> >

> > Unfortunately, there's no

> > such thing as bona fide evidence because this is big business

and

> > the manufacturers have been able to skirt the issue for many

> years.

> > If someone had done some serious investigating of why they make

us

> > sick, then maybe there would be evidence, but bias studies have

> been

> > performed and none of them seem to look into exactly what causes

> > some of us to react adversely to implants.

>

[Guest guest]

Let me just clarify...

a normal non-Hashi's person sould tolerate the thyroid hormone drop

in levels after surgery without significant symptoms...I was

alluding to Hashi's folks in which that drop would further

exaccerbate the Hashi's.

And please don't misunderstand...I do not doubt at all that implants

can cause illness in folks. Again, common sense and logic tells you

implanting a foreign object in the body can have all sorts of

unforseen consequences. Just like with anything...one person can go

get a root canal and have no problems...and another person ends up

with permanent nerve damage from the novacaine injection. sometimes

it's the luck/bad luck of the draw.

I merely wanted to point out that...given some of the medical

abstracts out there on Hashi's and implants...and the fact that this

is such an underdiagnosed condition..that there are probably folks

here (like me) who were already Hashi's before implants...and the

implants/surgery worsened the condition to the point of no longer

ignoring it.

cindi

--- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@...>

wrote:

>

> Cindi, you're definitely entitled to your opinion. I had major

> surgery in the past and never experienced any problems afterwards,

> so my theory is that the implants made me sick, but different

> opinions are what makes the world go 'round. I also don't have

> Hashi's. I know someone on this group definitely has it, but I

> can't remember who!!

>

[Guest guest]

yes. i totally agree with that.

we live in a world filled with environmental toxins..and some have been

exposed moreso than others. I honestly don't see how Implants can be

described as anything other than a toxin to our body. For some, it

surely tipped the scale.

Even now...with my hashi's..i have to eat organically, avoid household

chemicals, etc...i'm at tolerance. I are cautious not to tip the scale

any further.

do many implant folks experience chemical sensitivities? That would

seem logical to me too. (sorry - i haven't gone back and read all the

posts)

cindi

>

> Cindi - I think my immune system was funky to begin with, and I

> agree with you, adding the implants into the mix totally flared

> everything up. It's possible that those of us who get sick are

> somehow predisposed to immune problems, and either the foreign body

> or the chemicals in the implants add to the load and our body

> says " tilt " .

[Guest guest]

Cindi, Welcome, what you said wasn't a bad thing. I would have said the same thing a year ago. I was just having physical symptoms and didn't know it was related to my implants. I loved my augmented form up till my symptoms took over my life and I found out it was my implants making me ill. Then, I hated them, sitll loved they way they looked, but hated what they did to my body. I had mine saline in for almost six years. cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: I joined a little while ago - just out of curosity. I do have saline implants. Maybe it's a bad thing to say here, but I haven't had any problems...and like them. I do believe, however...that the surgery and maybe the implants...triggered

my Hashi's from moderate into severe mode...which wasn't such a bad thing because it finally got me diagnosed and treated. Cindi>> Hi Cindi!> Are you new here?> > I remember stumbling across the stopthethyroidmadness website a few months ago.> Found it quite interesting and full of info! Is that your website?> > Do you have implants now?> > And if you do, are you doing okay with them?> > I've been taking Armour on and off for a couple years now. Most recently I picked it back up after being off for a couple years, because I could tell my hormones were messing up. My periods were getting

really weird.> > I took too much thyroid though, and ended up with a major headache for about a week. Once I cut the thyroid back, they went away (my period probably make some impact in here too). In any case, the weight isn't budging yet.> > I had hoped to see it do something once I started the thyroid back up, but NOTHING!> The armour didn't seem to make a bit of difference. I had fully expected it to.> <sigh> Nasty business, this thyroid stuff and weight issues!> Patty> __________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

It seems that many of us do now have chemical sensitivites. I

didn't have them before, although I was sensitive to certain

vitamins and medications, but I didn't have problems with other

things. Ever since I had the implants (they're now explanted), I'm

extremely sensitive to chemicals.

Sis

--- In , " cindi22595 " <cindi22595@...>

wrote:

>

> yes. i totally agree with that.

>

> we live in a world filled with environmental toxins..and some have

been

> exposed moreso than others. I honestly don't see how Implants can

be

> described as anything other than a toxin to our body. For some,

it

> surely tipped the scale.

>

> Even now...with my hashi's..i have to eat organically, avoid

household

> chemicals, etc...i'm at tolerance. I are cautious not to tip the

scale

> any further.

>

> do many implant folks experience chemical sensitivities? That

would

> seem logical to me too. (sorry - i haven't gone back and read all

the

> posts)

> cindi

>

>

> --- In , " auntsisnj " <auntsisnj@>

wrote:

> >

> > Cindi - I think my immune system was funky to begin with, and I

> > agree with you, adding the implants into the mix totally flared

> > everything up. It's possible that those of us who get sick are

> > somehow predisposed to immune problems, and either the foreign

body

> > or the chemicals in the implants add to the load and our body

> > says " tilt " .

>

[Guest guest]

yes, if they were ruining my life - i'd feel the same way. It is so

bizarre how one person can have them in for 20+ years and no

problems (i have a cousin like that - she has silicone too)....

are there any statistics on the actual number of folks who have

complications/illnesses from them...or do we have any idea?....as i

imagine this is just one more thing the medical community doesn't

want to be known because they lose $$$.

cindi

>

> Cindi,

>

> Welcome, what you said wasn't a bad thing. I would have said

the same thing a year ago. I was just having physical symptoms and

didn't know it was related to my implants. I loved my augmented

form up till my symptoms took over my life and I found out it was my

implants making me ill. Then, I hated them, sitll loved they way

they looked, but hated what they did to my body. I had mine saline

in for almost six years.

[Guest guest]

I believe you just answered your own question Cindi. Because so many never get sick, some get sick at 6months or 6 years, or even 20 years. It is hard to keep track of them all. My PS did a six month check, I had no problems, then I have never heard from him again. I was never told what to watch for either. I think the PS in this country like it this way. They like to put them in, cash the check, then forget them. In order to get real numbers, there would have to be a law in place that would require all implanted to see an unbiased doctor every year. My noticeable symptoms came in the start of my 5th year, and then it took a year to put "two and two together." cindi22595 <cindi22595@...> wrote: yes, if they were ruining my life - i'd feel the

same way. It is so bizarre how one person can have them in for 20+ years and no problems (i have a cousin like that - she has silicone too)....are there any statistics on the actual number of folks who have complications/illnesses from them...or do we have any idea?....as i imagine this is just one more thing the medical community doesn't want to be known because they lose $$$. cindi>> Cindi,> > Welcome, what you said wasn't a bad thing. I would have said the same thing a year ago. I was just having physical symptoms and didn't know it was related to my implants. I loved my augmented form up till my symptoms took over my life and I found out it was my implants making me ill. Then, I hated them, sitll loved they way they looked, but

hated what they did to my body. I had mine saline in for almost six years.

[Guest guest]

It is a shame that there aren't statistics, and your last sentence

wraps it up pretty nicely - it's not something the implant

manufacturers want publicized, and for whatever reason the

government doesn't do anything about it even though many of us have

filed complaints with the FDA. I think the medical community hides

behind the data, which doesn't address people like us.

Sis

> >

> > Cindi,

> >

> > Welcome, what you said wasn't a bad thing. I would have said

> the same thing a year ago. I was just having physical symptoms

and

> didn't know it was related to my implants. I loved my augmented

> form up till my symptoms took over my life and I found out it was

my

> implants making me ill. Then, I hated them, sitll loved they way

> they looked, but hated what they did to my body. I had mine

saline

> in for almost six years.

>

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I'm an MD and a RN. I've been implanted since 1974. My hypothyroid diagnosis was made in 1980 by accident and I was asymptomatic. I have Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. I agree completely with your assessment.

Sherry

Re: Weight....

Cindi, you're definitely entitled to your opinion. I had major surgery in the past and never experienced any problems afterwards, so my theory is that the implants made me sick, but different opinions are what makes the world go 'round. I also don't have Hashi's. I know someone on this group definitely has it, but I can't remember who!!Sis> >> > Cindi,> > > > If you're happy with them and choose to keep them, just continue > to > > keep your eye on any changes to your health. Understandable that > > you wouldn't want to mess with things if you believe it would rock > > the apple cart. I'm sure you're already in tune with your body > > since you've had immune issues already.>

[Guest guest]

I agree fully.

Sherry

Re: Weight....

Let me just clarify...a normal non-Hashi's person sould tolerate the thyroid hormone drop in levels after surgery without significant symptoms...I was alluding to Hashi's folks in which that drop would further exaccerbate the Hashi's. And please don't misunderstand...I do not doubt at all that implants can cause illness in folks. Again, common sense and logic tells you implanting a foreign object in the body can have all sorts of unforseen consequences. Just like with anything...one person can go get a root canal and have no problems...and another person ends up with permanent nerve damage from the novacaine injection. sometimes it's the luck/bad luck of the draw.I merely wanted to point out that...given some of the medical abstracts out there on Hashi's and implants...and the fact that this is such an underdiagnosed condition..that there are probably folks here (like me) who were already Hashi's before implants...and the implants/surgery worsened the condition to the point of no longer ignoring it. cindi>> Cindi, you're definitely entitled to your opinion. I had major > surgery in the past and never experienced any problems afterwards, > so my theory is that the implants made me sick, but different > opinions are what makes the world go 'round. I also don't have > Hashi's. I know someone on this group definitely has it, but I > can't remember who!!>

[Guest guest]

Thanks you for commenting....

cindi

>

> Cindi,

>

> I'm an MD and a RN. I've been implanted since 1974. My hypothyroid

diagnosis was made in 1980 by accident and I was asymptomatic. I have

Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. I agree completely with your assessment.

[Guest guest]

Hi Cindi,

I have Hashimoto's - diagnosed in 2003. However, this was 19 years after my

implantation. I don't believe I had low thyroid in 1984, at age 30.

I don't know if doctors really know what causes Hashimoto's.... it is not all

that uncommon

among middle aged women, from what I understand. And, I suspect an immune

response

from implants may cause or aggravate thryoid problem. But you know, I am just

speculating, which from what I can tell is all doctors really can do with this.

> > >

> > > Cindi,

> > >

> > > If you're happy with them and choose to keep them, just continue

> > to

> > > keep your eye on any changes to your health. Understandable

> that

> > > you wouldn't want to mess with things if you believe it would

> rock

> > > the apple cart. I'm sure you're already in tune with your body

> > > since you've had immune issues already.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice given by

licensed health

care professionals. Consult your physician or licensed health care professional

before

commencing any medical treatment.

>

> " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians mislead you.

Find out what

the facts are, and make your own decisions about how to live a happy life and

how to work

for a better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner (1954,

Chemistry; 1963,

Peace)

>

> See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this link:

> http://.shutterfly.com/action/

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hypo symptoms start very mild.

My first indicatoin was impetigo after childbirth at age 23...and

then in that year, extreme sore throat that sent me to an ENT. I

also had some bladder infections.

by age 33, I had the more common symptoms...constipation, some adult

acne, and fatigue...and fleeting depression and anxiety...also some

weight gain..some OCD.

By age 40, i was collecting more and more hypo symptoms...and they

became more severe after my implants at age 39.

Hashi's is said to be autoimmune which implies a genetic

predisposition with an environmental/hormonal trigger. My trigger

was childbirth. Many kids with family predisposition are being

triggered now by the Hep. B vaccine (the mercury).

My mother died undiagnosed...but her autopsy clearly indicated a

Hashi's thyroid gland...and that explains the numerous health

problems she had doing her life. And I can see where several women

in my family had it. A cousin recently died and her autopsy too

showed a Hashi's gland.

Hashi's is no longer a middle-aged woman's disease...many young

folks are receiving this diagnosis now. guys and gals.

Hashi's is treated poorly because they want to use synthetic thyroid

hormones and dose by TSH. Far better results are usually achieved

with thyroid extract (used for over 100 years before the pharm

industry came up with a patentable synthetic). Dosing by symptoms

and Free levels works better than TSH dosing too.

I went from age 23 with symptoms...until age 48 at diagnosis. This

is not so uncommon unfortunately.

cindi

--- In , " Molly Bloom " <mollyb54@...>

wrote:

>

> Hi Cindi,

> I have Hashimoto's - diagnosed in 2003. However, this was 19

years after my

> implantation. I don't believe I had low thyroid in 1984, at age

30.

[Guest guest]

Cindi,

I had TSH, free T3 and T4 tested, but I don't recall if I had the

antibodies tested. Could the other three tests be normal with the

missing link being the antibodies?

Sis

> >

> > Hi Cindi,

> > I have Hashimoto's - diagnosed in 2003. However, this was 19

> years after my

> > implantation. I don't believe I had low thyroid in 1984, at age

> 30.

>

[Guest guest]

Sis,

Sorry to jump in these pictures they say they posted of I think or some rash. I can't find them at all???????? I was gonna see if you could redo that link to the picture of it. It said click on the link to the left there was none on my screen anyway???? Thanks so much you are a gem.

Donna

[Guest guest]

,

If you take them to Dr. Kolb she will for sure tell you if your thyroid is messed up due to implants. Mine was and she prescribed Armour thyroid. I have good news. I have noticed already that my hair is not falling out as much. Thank God.

Donna

[Guest guest]

OK Thanks

Donna

[Guest guest]

,

Yes I am actually today was a very good day for me. A lot of stuff is leaving, the stuff that is here is at least tolerable now, instead of driving you nuts with twitches and pain. You won't regret can't wait til you go to get them out. How many more days .

Donna

[Guest guest]

Sis...

What was the reference range for your TSH? The reference range for

mine was 0.35 to 6.20. My TSH was 0.45.

My bound T4 was 7.83 (ref = 4.5 to 12.0)

Free T4 was 0.77 (ref = 0.71 to 1.85)

Free T3 was 295 (ref = 230 to 420)

Thyroglobulin was 17.9 (ref = 2.0 to 35.0)

Thryroglobulin Antibodies was less than 20. (ref is less than 20)

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone was 105% (Baseline is <= 125%)

Any comments anyone....is my free T4 too low???

> > >

> > > Cindi,

> > >

> > > I had TSH, free T3 and T4 tested, but I don't recall if I had

> the

> > > antibodies tested. Could the other three tests be normal with

> the

> > > missing link being the antibodies?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Might be a good idea Sis. Do you have any of the other

results...like T3, T4 bound and free..etc...

I just think a panel of all the test tells a better picture...but

ultimately it is also how you may be feeling.

A trial of ARmour ..to see if it helps is what I would want ....

Also...did you know that in order for your thyroid to work

effectively it needs selenium??? At the moment I forget the exact

mechanism...but it is needed for your body to convert thyroxin to T4

or vice versa.....or something like that .....

My holistic doctor told me this. Selenium is in my vitamins.......

> > > > >

> > > > > Cindi,

> > > > >

> > > > > I had TSH, free T3 and T4 tested, but I don't recall if I

had

> > >the

> > > > > antibodies tested. Could the other three tests be normal

> with

> > >the

> > > > > missing link being the antibodies?

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> given

> > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

or

> > >licensed health care professional before commencing any medical

> treatment.

> > >

> > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for a

> > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> (1954,

> > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > >

> > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

link:

> >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> utterfly.com/action/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

,

I just happened to read about selenium in a link that Cindi sent - I

wasn't aware of that. I do have my latest test results, but for

some reason I've misplaced them. I'll have to do a search and

destroy mission around the house, they've got to be here somewhere.

The only thing I remember is TSH was somewhere around 3.0.

Sis

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Cindi,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I had TSH, free T3 and T4 tested, but I don't recall if

I

> had

> > > >the

> > > > > > antibodies tested. Could the other three tests be

normal

> > with

> > > >the

> > > > > > missing link being the antibodies?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >Opinions expressed are NOT meant to take the place of advice

> > given

> > > >by licensed health care professionals. Consult your physician

> or

> > > >licensed health care professional before commencing any

medical

> > treatment.

> > > >

> > > > " Do not let either the medical authorities or the politicians

> > > >mislead you. Find out what the facts are, and make your own

> > > >decisions about how to live a happy life and how to work for

a

> > > >better world. " - Linus ing, two-time Nobel Prize Winner

> > (1954,

> > > >Chemistry; 1963, Peace)

> > > >

> > > >See our photos website! Enter " implants " for access at this

> link:

> > >

> >

>

><http://.shutterfly.com/action/>http://.sh

> > utterfly.com/action/

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

That is GREAT Donna!. I assume you are feeling better also????

>

> ,

>

> If you take them to Dr. Kolb she will for sure tell you if your

thyroid is

> messed up due to implants. Mine was and she prescribed Armour

thyroid. I have

> good news. I have noticed already that my hair is not falling out

as much.

> Thank God.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Here's the link: .shutterfly.com

The password is implants.

Sis

>

> Sis,

>

> Sorry to jump in these pictures they say they posted of

I think or

> some rash. I can't find them at all???????? I was gonna see if

you could redo

> that link to the picture of it. It said click on the link to the

left there

> was none on my screen anyway???? Thanks so much you are a gem.

>

> Donna

>

[Guest guest]

My hair is not falling out.....but my skin is a mess from this ***###

rash!

>

> ,

>

> If you take them to Dr. Kolb she will for sure tell you if your

thyroid is

> messed up due to implants. Mine was and she prescribed Armour

thyroid. I have

> good news. I have noticed already that my hair is not falling out

as much.

> Thank God.

>

> Donna

>