Epsom salt baths

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for your reply. What did you do to make you be able to eat

> most foods with enzymes?

He was able to eat many foods with enzymes, before I started chelation.

Chelation with ALA removed all his food problems. Now he can eat anything

[except the OLE and certain other supplements] even

WITHOUT enzymes.

>>Will you eventually get to

> the point where you can eat anything without enzymes if enough

> mercury is removed?

This is where we are now.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

Our water is CL2 gas chlorinated and we've been using Epsom Salts for nearly

every night for almost a year. Chlorine in the water is good. It knocks out any

bacterial stuff in the lines. In the water treatment process CL2 residual

fluctuates a lot.

Sometimes it collects at the end of the line so if you have a concern about the

residual it might be a good idea to run the water a few moments before you plug

the drain and fill the tub.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I don;t think so, not in the UK at least

MAndi in UK

PS Its hard to think of ourselves as Europeans but I guess we should lol

> The Europeans banned chlorine

> decades ago, they use ozone.

[Guest guest]

,

What state are you in? " Chlorine in the water is good " , is not correct,

though unfortunately the norm. However, if you are not in southern

California than a discussion is pointless. Here the water treatment plants

add ammonia to the chlorine to stabilize it, making chloramine.

Chlorine/Chloramine in the water is not good. The Europeans banned chlorine

decades ago, they use ozone. They were the first to try chlorine and

realize long ago it caused problems. (In short, just like it kills bacteria

in the water, it does the same in the body, like a very weak yet constant

antibiotic. We still use it because it is cheaper and " Big Business "

chemical companies lobby to keep it that way.

Running the water for a few moments will do nothing, letting it stand for an

hour will allow the chlorine to dissipate, but then your water will be cold

as well. Chlorine does not collect at the end of the line, perhaps you are

thinking of lead for those with copper pipes. Water is a solvent after all

so it will leach the lead from lead based solder and other metals if you

have the older galvanized pipes.

To elevate this problem I have installed a whole house carbon block filter

to remove chlorine and lead. This solved my problem. If your water tests

high for lead or higher than you would like, after the filter has been

installed it could be your pipes under the house, after the filter. In that

case you need to run the water for about 30sec. to 1minute depending how far

your bathroom is from your water meter.

Ron

Re: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

Our water is CL2 gas chlorinated and we've been using Epsom Salts for nearly

every night for almost a year. Chlorine in the water is good. It knocks out

any bacterial stuff in the lines. In the water treatment process CL2

residual fluctuates a lot.

Sometimes it collects at the end of the line so if you have a concern about

the residual it might be a good idea to run the water a few moments before

you plug the drain and fill the tub.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

I am on these groups because I have found out my NT daughter has seriously

compromised gut system and very not so normal behaviors. She is not autistic,

but firmly believe is left untreated in a matter of time she will be one of

those being handed off from doctor to doctor labeled with chronic fatigue

syndrome which they claim there is no cure for, or worst yet an auto immune

disease. No cure, but of course a variety of antidepressants and SSRI's to

choose from. We started looking for answers on how to kill the yeast when

tests showed she has a serious overgrowth, but now I've come to realize that's

just a tip of the iceberg. The yeast overgrowth and leaky gut is due to a wiped

out system. As for her root cause, yes she was nailed with antibiotics often as

a baby and toddler; believe there is a genetic link to a sensitive gut system

possibly induced because I didn't know I had it when she was conceived; and more

importantly I KNOW it had something to do with her drinking 3-5 glasses of

chlorinated tap water a day for 3 years. (We know have a reverse osmosis

system). Of course all the records and experts want to tell you that the

chlorine is gone quickly before consumption, but I just know that is not the

case. Like so many other factors to all of this, I feel it's the situation

where under certain circumstances this could be a major problem, but that makes

it hard to prove.

I would be interested in seeing what the conclusion the Europeans have come to,

maybe if you would like to email me off line that would be great. I have on my

list of things to do to get a filter for the tub/shower to keep this from her, I

think this just bumps it up to a do-this-weekend project.

Thanks,

Kari

RE: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

,

What state are you in? " Chlorine in the water is good " , is not correct,

though unfortunately the norm. However, if you are not in southern

California than a discussion is pointless. Here the water treatment plants

add ammonia to the chlorine to stabilize it, making chloramine.

Chlorine/Chloramine in the water is not good. The Europeans banned chlorine

decades ago, they use ozone. They were the first to try chlorine and

realize long ago it caused problems. (In short, just like it kills bacteria

in the water, it does the same in the body, like a very weak yet constant

antibiotic. We still use it because it is cheaper and " Big Business "

chemical companies lobby to keep it that way.

[Guest guest]

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to remove chlorine and lead. >>

I'm really happy with mine too -- the water tastes and smells so much better.

I got it at

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Lurker here, I see alot about epsom salts. Whats that about?

Kerbob <robertbloch@...> wrote:

Our water is CL2 gas chlorinated and we've been using Epsom Salts for nearly

every night for almost a year. Chlorine in the water is good. It knocks out any

bacterial stuff in the lines. In the water treatment process CL2 residual

fluctuates a lot.

Sometimes it collects at the end of the line so if you have a concern about the

residual it might be a good idea to run the water a few moments before you plug

the drain and fill the tub.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

From: ROBERT ALEXANDER

Lurker here, I see alot about epsom salts. Whats that about?

*******************************

although not all information is included..I have found this site to be helpful

in understanding Epsom Salts

http://www.racingsmarter.com/epsom_salts.htm

[Guest guest]

You can bet that even if California was to switch to ozone they'll sit be using

chlorine with it. You know why? It's the law and sometimes laws are put there to

protect public health.

Who cares what the Europeans do? As far as I'm concerned Ozone is a pretty weak

selection for disinfecting drinking water. And ultraviolet is even weaker. The

bottom line is no residual means no protection from the water plant pump to the

tower.

You can bet that there are going to be bacteria waiting in the mains between the

plant and the tower and ultimately from the tower to the service connections.

You can't guarantee that potable water is safe unless you maintain at least some

residual disinfection. What happens when there's a water break with ozone? Do

you have any idea how much crud gets into the water supply from a water break to

say a 16 inch main? What about the numerous cross connections that exist.

Don't mistake disinfection with sterilization. Disinfection simply means that

most bacteria are either killed or inactivated.

You've got to carry a residual to check the regrowth and keep the lines safe.

Sure there are by-products with chlorine just like there are by-products from

ozone or any method of disinfection. The difference is chlorine by-products are

well known and they are heavily regulated by the EPA and state-level monitoring

and reporting while ozonation's by-products are still being evaluated and some

are believed to be just as carcinogenetic as chloramines.

Since September 11th, 2001 there has been a move away from CL2 gas. The move is

toward sodium hypochlorite.

Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen with lots of disolved solids in

it.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Beats me, but when we found out our son was mercury poisoned everybody told us

that Epsom salts was a must and it even chelates!

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

The dechlor is a result of the activated carbon. There is a lot of surface area

in a small charcoal filter and it dechlors pretty much instantaneously for a

surprising long time.But even the best membrane filter are only suppose to catch

anything larger than .45 microns.

Did you know for the average person your stomach secretes 2 liters of HCl

(Hydrochloric acid ...also a by-product of chlorination) on its own each day?

Not only does HCl break down food by oxidizing it, but it also kills most of the

pathogens that you swallow each day. It also helps prevent bacterial and fungal

overgrowths in the small intestine.

RE: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

,

What state are you in? " Chlorine in the water is good " , is not correct,

though unfortunately the norm. However, if you are not in southern

California than a discussion is pointless. Here the water treatment plants

add ammonia to the chlorine to stabilize it, making chloramine.

Chlorine/Chloramine in the water is not good. The Europeans banned chlorine

decades ago, they use ozone. They were the first to try chlorine and

realize long ago it caused problems. (In short, just like it kills bacteria

in the water, it does the same in the body, like a very weak yet constant

antibiotic. We still use it because it is cheaper and " Big Business "

chemical companies lobby to keep it that way.

[Guest guest]

Hold on folks. Epsom salts are basically magnesium sulfate, a laxative,

helps calm our little girls and guys and may help there stools, especially

if they take a gulp. Not a chelator or a must, a few don't take well at all

to it.

Re: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

Beats me, but when we found out our son was mercury poisoned everybody told

us that Epsom salts was a must and it even chelates!

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

,

I can see from doing a search you seem to post a lot, many may think you

have been helpful and I hope you continue. However, I must say water

chlorination and filtration is not your strong suit and it happens to be

mine.

" Membrane " filters, typically associated with Reverse Osmosis systems are in

the 0.03 micron rage, consult any water filter website.

Carbon Block, Ceramic and others easily go down to 0.50 microns, check

EverPure's website.

A large percentage " majority " of our kiddos, do not produce decent amounts

of HCL. You also make it sound like the body needs chlorine in order to

produce HCL, " (Hydrochloric acid ...also a by-product of chlorination) " ,

which I'm sure is just a word smithing thing.

Ron

Re: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

The dechlor is a result of the activated carbon. There is a lot of surface

area in a small charcoal filter and it dechlors pretty much instantaneously

for a surprising long time.But even the best membrane filter are only

suppose to catch anything larger than .45 microns.

Did you know for the average person your stomach secretes 2 liters of HCl

(Hydrochloric acid ...also a by-product of chlorination) on its own each

day? Not only does HCl break down food by oxidizing it, but it also kills

most of the pathogens that you swallow each day. It also helps prevent

bacterial and fungal overgrowths in the small intestine.

RE: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

,

What state are you in? " Chlorine in the water is good " , is not correct,

though unfortunately the norm. However, if you are not in southern

California than a discussion is pointless. Here the water treatment

plants

add ammonia to the chlorine to stabilize it, making chloramine.

Chlorine/Chloramine in the water is not good. The Europeans banned

chlorine

decades ago, they use ozone. They were the first to try chlorine and

realize long ago it caused problems. (In short, just like it kills

bacteria

in the water, it does the same in the body, like a very weak yet

constant

antibiotic. We still use it because it is cheaper and " Big Business "

chemical companies lobby to keep it that way.

[Guest guest]

You can bet that even if California was to switch to ozone they'll sit be

using chlorine with it. You know why? It's the law and sometimes laws are

put there to protect public health.

And sometimes not. There are many instances throughout history that proves

this.

Who cares what the Europeans do?

Smart folks learn from history, not repeat it.

As far as I'm concerned Ozone is a pretty weak selection for disinfecting

drinking water.

As far as I'm concerned you are obviously not well read on the topic.

And ultraviolet is even weaker. The bottom line is no residual means no

protection from the water plant pump to the tower.

Not true, quit with the half truths.

You can bet that there are going to be bacteria waiting in the mains between

the plant and the tower and ultimately from the tower to the service

connections.

Of course there is and your point.

You can't guarantee that potable water is safe unless you maintain at least

some residual disinfection. What happens when there's a water break with

ozone? Do you have any idea how much crud gets into the water supply from a

water break to say a 16 inch main? What about the numerous cross connections

that exist.

Again, your point? Are your saying the countries that tried chlorine and

went to Ozone didn't think of this an have been drinking bacteria infested

water for decades. You better go tell them.

Don't mistake disinfection with sterilization. Disinfection simply means

that most bacteria are either killed or inactivated.

Or in the case of our government, " killed or inactivated " to a level they

deem acceptable.

You've got to carry a residual to check the regrowth and keep the lines

safe.

Agreed, it just doesn't have to be a toxic substance like chlorine.

Sure there are by-products with chlorine just like there are by-products

from ozone or any method of disinfection. The difference is chlorine

by-products are well known and they are heavily regulated by the EPA and

state-level monitoring and reporting while ozonation's by-products are still

being evaluated and some are believed to be just as carcinogenetic as

chloramines.

That is an outright lie. Chlorine is the one who's by-products are

carcinogens. If your going to start spouting " Ozone " is " Smog " BS than

there is no point conversing with you. You obviously are ill informed on

ozone.

Since September 11th, 2001 there has been a move away from CL2 gas. The move

is toward sodium hypochlorite.

Water is two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen with lots of disolved solids

in it.

Again, your point, yes H2O equals water. What is your TDS reading, as we

should not be ingesting anymore than we have to of those either.

Ron

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

History is chocked full of instances where water-borne illnesses have led to the

untimely deaths of thousands upon thousands of people. And history of just the

last hundred years has documented that public health scourges such as typhoid

fever, cholera, and dysentery have pretty much been put to rest by chlorine

disinfection.

Ozone and UV disinfection are treatments in the vicinity of the water treatment

plant directly. I deem them weak because they do not account for what often

times can be miles and miles worth of travel from the plant to the tap with

nothing to prevent microbial recontamination.

The EPA and state authorities could not care less about how the local community

tackles it's water treatment process. Ultimately the type of disinfection chosen

all things considered is a local decision and run by operators. Take a poll of

those operators, who each day are responsible for the safety of their customers,

and ask them which disinfection system offers the best protection for the

public.

Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

" Membrane " filters, typically associated with Reverse Osmosis systems are in

the 0.03 micron rage, consult any water filter website.

Gee, with that type of filtration it's like there's nothing left, but H, 2 and

O.

And that's a good thing?

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

History is chocked full of instances where water-borne illnesses have led to

the untimely deaths of thousands upon thousands of people. And history of

just the last hundred years has documented that public health scourges such

as typhoid fever, cholera, and dysentery have pretty much been put to rest

by chlorine disinfection.

A half truth again, not chlorine alone. If you are reading and just not

arguing I am not saying chlorine doesn't kill, I am saying it is toxin and

there is something better to use, as our countries have proven. So can we

stop with the " chlorine is best " mantra. It is cheaper, thus being used,

that doesn't make it right.

Ozone and UV disinfection are treatments in the vicinity of the water

treatment plant directly. I deem them weak because they do not account for

what often times can be miles and miles worth of travel from the plant to

the tap with nothing to prevent microbial recontamination.

Again and all the other countries using ozone are doing it wrong. You think

perhaps the local communities use it too, hmmm.

The EPA and state authorities could not care less about how the local

community tackles it's water treatment process. Ultimately the type of

disinfection chosen all things considered is a local decision and run by

operators. Take a poll of those operators, who each day are responsible for

the safety of their customers, and ask them which disinfection system offers

the best protection for the public.

How about, ask them which is safest for their customers to consume. Not

which his best per price.

Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door.

Only if they know about it.

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

Wow! I just read Owen's post about epsom salt baths. My

daughter has SI and anxiety/fear/food allergy and heavy metal

toxicity.

I've been doing it casually (after hearing about it) and not sure of a

difference until the last two nights. Is it important to rinse the

child in plain water after the bath? I haven't been able to figure

out

how to filter water on my bathtub (no shower head and faucet is flat

so

water streams down side of tub)--is it risky to bath her in epsom

salts

in unfiltered municipal chlorinated H20? We are awaiting water test

results.

Thanks,

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Re: [ ] re:epsom salt baths

" Membrane " filters, typically associated with Reverse Osmosis systems are in

the 0.03 micron rage, consult any water filter website.

Gee, with that type of filtration it's like there's nothing left, but H, 2

and O.

And that's a good thing?

Are you trying to bate me into the, " you need minerals " in your water

argument, or the " if it has no minerals, the water will leach them from your

body " argument. In response to first argument, you can get minerals and

trace minerals in other ways. It is more beneficial to get rid of the

chlorine. In regards to argument #2, water never leaches anything from the

body, it doesn't need anything to be water, but the H2 and O.

Ron

[Guest guest]

While Epsom salts is magnesium sulfate, its not just a laxative. This is not

the point of Epsom's salt. Both magnesium and sulfates are basic body needs

most with chronic conditions are deficient in. Most with autism(etc.) have

blocked enzymatic processes that deal with sulfur foods and don't end up with

enough sulfates or other forms needed by the body. Likewise most with autism

are deficient in magnesium. Magnesium is a very important mineral, having many

functions in the body. Epsom salt baths is a way to absorb these and avoid

the metabolic blockage. Makes huge difference in neurological function for

some conditions.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

So was my doctor technically right when he told my wife and I that Epsom salts

is a chelator or should he has said that it was a detox aid?

[ ] re:epsom salt baths

While Epsom salts is magnesium sulfate, its not just a laxative. This is not

the point of Epsom's salt. Both magnesium and sulfates are basic body needs

most with chronic conditions are deficient in. Most with autism(etc.) have

blocked enzymatic processes that deal with sulfur foods and don't end up with

enough sulfates or other forms needed by the body. Likewise most with autism

are deficient in magnesium. Magnesium is a very important mineral, having many

functions in the body. Epsom salt baths is a way to absorb these and avoid

the metabolic blockage. Makes huge difference in neurological function for

some conditions.

Bernie

[Guest guest]

Our son towel dries of without rinsing after the Epsom salts bath.

He had a great fear of the water pouring over his head. The fear is real and

quite understandable because he didn't know how to close his eyes and not

breathe through his nose for those few seconds.

He overcame his fear of head rinsing when I stood him up in the tub while on my

knees with a towel in my lap, held his hand, and with the other hand poured a

small pitcher over his head.

The secret was I didn't let the him know it was coming at first, but I talked

him through it just as the water began to hit his head. Ooo, here's the water!

Quick, quick shut your eyes! Hold your nose! Quick, quick here's the towel! Let

me wipe your face quick! Wow what a big boy! It was over before a minute passed.

He hated the part of not being able to see the worst, but I did the pitcher so

fast and had the towel ready to dry his face in a split second that there wasn't

much for him to fuss about. He couldn't see me through the water cascading over

his face, but he could hear my excited, concerned voice. I think that was most

important. It was also important to wait a second or two to pour a second and

third pitcher if it was needed.

He was a smart one and after a couple of surprise dousings he kept an eye out

for the pitcher's arrival in the tub during following baths. When he saw the

vessel enter the tub he reacted with fear, but I grabbed on to steady him and

hit him anyway using the same quick response with the towel.

Very soon he learned to expect a rinse pitcher or cup and he has learned to

shield his eyes with one hand and hold my hand with his other. He's good about

closing his eyes too. He's still a little scared maybe, but has even learned to

say towel, fresh towel.

Stealth, speed, and swift toweling.

[ ] epsom salt baths

Bernie and others,

Thanks for all the helpful dialoge about chlorination and also info

about epsom salts. Do people rinse the child after the bath? I

read on the package to rinse off after soaking or bathing. This

would be difficult with my daughter as she is terrified of the

running water (and about a thousand other things--lol) .

=======================================================

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply!

I think I'll get my husband involved for that! Stealth and speed

aren't my strong points.

> Our son towel dries of without rinsing after the Epsom salts

bath.

>

> He had a great fear of the water pouring over his head. The

fear is real and quite understandable because he didn't know

how to close his eyes and not breathe through his nose for

those few seconds.

>

> He overcame his fear of head rinsing when I stood him up in

the tub while on my knees with a towel in my lap, held his hand,

and with the other hand poured a small pitcher over his head.

>

> The secret was I didn't let the him know it was coming at first,

but I talked him through it just as the water began to hit his head.

Ooo, here's the water! Quick, quick shut your eyes! Hold your

nose! Quick, quick here's the towel! Let me wipe your face quick!

Wow what a big boy! It was over before a minute passed.

>

> He hated the part of not being able to see the worst, but I did

the pitcher so fast and had the towel ready to dry his face in a

split second that there wasn't much for him to fuss about. He

couldn't see me through the water cascading over his face, but

he could hear my excited, concerned voice. I think that was most

important. It was also important to wait a second or two to pour a

second and third pitcher if it was needed.

>

> He was a smart one and after a couple of surprise dousings

he kept an eye out for the pitcher's arrival in the tub during

following baths. When he saw the vessel enter the tub he

reacted with fear, but I grabbed on to steady him and hit him

anyway using the same quick response with the towel.

>

> Very soon he learned to expect a rinse pitcher or cup and he

has learned to shield his eyes with one hand and hold my hand

with his other. He's good about closing his eyes too. He's still a

little scared maybe, but has even learned to say towel, fresh

towel.

>

> Stealth, speed, and swift toweling.

>

>

> [ ] epsom salt baths

>

>

> Bernie and others,

> Thanks for all the helpful dialoge about chlorination and also

info

> about epsom salts. Do people rinse the child after the bath?

I

> read on the package to rinse off after soaking or bathing. This

> would be difficult with my daughter as she is terrified of the

> running water (and about a thousand other things--lol) .

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Be reasonable and kind enough to make it obvious that you are on their side, but

that you are there to help with them bath... and a bath includes washing your

hair. It's OK to be scared, but growing up means that you aren't afraid any

more. Also be very sensitive about any draughty air. Remember that things feel

different when it's somebody else is in the tub. Generally, the air vent is

directed away or shut from up high, and a towel to stop the bottom of the

bathroom door prevents draughts down low. Usually the back of your hand can pick

up on draughts fairly well. Sometimes I soak mine for a minute and then test the

room by holding it in one place to see if I detect anything.

When I sensed that our son was really anxious about getting IN the tub I

presumed that he was thinking about the pitcher was going to be in play later on

down the road. These times I backed off and promised not to get his hair wet

tonight. Importantly you have to follow through on that promise skipping

shampooing and rinsing altogether. Trust is very important and kids sometimes

don't have a comprehension of sensitive issues wired in. These kids need to

learn it and they do. But when they hear a particular tone of voice and have the

recall to remember certain things happen with this tone of voice is used the

alarms go off.

If it's too much trauma you might try a big thirsty sponge, just make sure to

have that towel handy for recovery. Perhaps just a small cup poured over the

feet can be used to eliminate their fear of the noise. Then upsize from there.

riginal Message -----

From: bollinglane

Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:03 AM

Subject: [ ] Re: epsom salt baths

Thanks for your reply!

I think I'll get my husband involved for that! Stealth and speed

aren't my strong points.

> Our son towel dries of without rinsing after the Epsom salts

bath.

>

> He had a great fear of the water pouring over his head. The

fear is real and quite understandable because he didn't know

how to close his eyes and not breathe through his nose for

those few seconds.

>

> He overcame his fear of head rinsing when I stood him up in

the tub while on my knees with a towel in my lap, held his hand,

and with the other hand poured a small pitcher over his head.

>

> The secret was I didn't let the him know it was coming at first,

but I talked him through it just as the water began to hit his head.

Ooo, here's the water! Quick, quick shut your eyes! Hold your

nose! Quick, quick here's the towel! Let me wipe your face quick!

Wow what a big boy! It was over before a minute passed.

>

> He hated the part of not being able to see the worst, but I did

the pitcher so fast and had the towel ready to dry his face in a

split second that there wasn't much for him to fuss about. He

couldn't see me through the water cascading over his face, but

he could hear my excited, concerned voice. I think that was most

important. It was also important to wait a second or two to pour a

second and third pitcher if it was needed.

>

> He was a smart one and after a couple of surprise dousings

he kept an eye out for the pitcher's arrival in the tub during

following baths. When he saw the vessel enter the tub he

reacted with fear, but I grabbed on to steady him and hit him

anyway using the same quick response with the towel.

>

> Very soon he learned to expect a rinse pitcher or cup and he

has learned to shield his eyes with one hand and hold my hand

with his other. He's good about closing his eyes too. He's still a

little scared maybe, but has even learned to say towel, fresh

towel.

>

> Stealth, speed, and swift toweling.

>

>

> [ ] epsom salt baths

>

>

> Bernie and others,

> Thanks for all the helpful dialoge about chlorination and also

info

> about epsom salts. Do people rinse the child after the bath?

I

> read on the package to rinse off after soaking or bathing. This

> would be difficult with my daughter as she is terrified of the

> running water (and about a thousand other things--lol) .

>

>

>

>

>

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And think about homepathy here in Germany which is widely used. These are

substances diluted to microscopic values and believe me they work.

in Germany

Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths

>

>

> Lati,

>

> After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight

> years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have

> been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to

> adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body

> slowly to

> downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters.

>

> The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that

> moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been

> scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to

> allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this

> way

> with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get

> far more into cells that you ought to get.

>

> Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just

> put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two

> ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help

> your

> body adjust and find out if it is going to help you.

>

>

>

> At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

> >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

> >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

> >

> >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Lati

> >

> >

> >

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