Epsom salt baths

[Guest guest]

The sulfur in sulfate is more or less an " end product " of the sulfur

metabolism, and I think it is highly unlikely that the sulfur that is

represented by that high figure is sulfate, but I haven't seen any

discussion of what is making hair get high in sulfur on those tests, and

there is no research that I have found measuring sulfate in hair. It may

be that the cysteines are bound by sulfite, to increase the level of

sulfur, but I don't know.

I imagine there is little risk from trying the epsom salts baths and seeing

how he does. But, as usual, start slowly, and each time you do it, add a

little more to the water until you move up to your target amount in the

tub (which is usually about a cup to a full bath). That way, if he has

been low in sulfate for awhile, the easing in gives his body a chance to

adjust to the higher amount, and gives you time to decide whether he

tolerates it OK, and if it improves things. But while you are easing in,

you might not see the positive changes you might see later when the dose is

higher.

Was this hair test done pre-chelation, during or post-chelation? If

applicable, what chelating agent were you using?

At 11:34 PM 8/7/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>I was reading about how one mom used epsom salt baths for her son and

>his oppositonal behavior went away. His mood was better and he was

>more cooperative. I was all ready to try it, then I looked at his

>hair analysis and it showed his sulphur to be high (56,400) with a

>range of 45,500 to 53,000. Does this mean I shouldn't do the baths

>for him? Thanks in advance.

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi-- I will email you some info on ES baths and it will explain why

you feel lousy... my advice would be to cut way way back on the

amount. when my son reacted badly, I went down to about one

tablespoon per bathtub of water and only did this every few days and

very very slowly worked up. Now, we use maybe a half cup per bath,

and he can tolerate them daily.

The sulfation/magnesium is just too important to give up on the baths.

W

> My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound

of

> Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

> and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

> Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

>

> Thanks

>

> Lati

[Guest guest]

Lati,

After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight

years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have

been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to

adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to

downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters.

The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that

moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been

scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to

allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way

with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get

far more into cells that you ought to get.

Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just

put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two

ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your

body adjust and find out if it is going to help you.

At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

>Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

>and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

>Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

>

>Thanks

>

>Lati

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

>Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

>and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

>Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

Epsom salt baths work great for my son (he's 4). I'd start small and work

your way up, though. Try a third or half cup of salt once a week, and then

3 times a week, and then every other day. You can increase the amount of

salt, as well. Use coconut oil after the bath, as the salt kind of dries

out your skin (coconut oil is extremely healthy as it contains lauric

acid). The highest quality coconut oil I know of (Dr. Mercola recommends

it) is found at

www.coconut-info.com

When my son is fussy, I give him an Epsom salt bath and let him play in the

water for 20 minutes. He's really amiable and happy during and after his bath.

Also, do you have a chlorine filter on your shower head (fill the bathtub

with the shower)? If not, you're exposing your body to A LOT of chlorine

and chlorine gas. When your pores are open in a nice warm bath, your body

will readily absorb the chlorine. That's not good. I suggest getting a

shower filter for your shower. The filter that Dr. Mercola recommends

(www.mercola.com) is found at the following link:

http://www.improvementscatalog.com/product.asp?product=181128zz & dept%5Fid=10610

It's $29.99 (item number 181128); you can also order by phone (800-642-2112).

I'm not affiliated with any of these companies or Dr. Mercola; however, I

do respect his work very much (he's helped a lot of autistic kids). Dr.

Mercola has a free email newsletter that's always filled with healthy tips

(and info about why vaccines are dangerous). You can subscribe at

www.mercola.com

>Thanks

>

>Lati

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much. This is so helpful! I look forward to gettiing the info.

You can e-mail me at latimerkells@...

Lati

[ ] Re: Epsom Salt Baths

Hi-- I will email you some info on ES baths and it will explain why

you feel lousy... my advice would be to cut way way back on the

amount. when my son reacted badly, I went down to about one

tablespoon per bathtub of water and only did this every few days and

very very slowly worked up. Now, we use maybe a half cup per bath,

and he can tolerate them daily.

The sulfation/magnesium is just too important to give up on the baths.

W

> My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound

of

> Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

> and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

> Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

>

> Thanks

>

> Lati

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . This is so interesting. Like an ah-hah moment. Thanks again.

Lati

Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths

Lati,

After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight

years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have

been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to

adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to

downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters.

The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that

moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been

scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to

allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way

with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get

far more into cells that you ought to get.

Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just

put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two

ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your

body adjust and find out if it is going to help you.

At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

>Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

>and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

>Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

>

>Thanks

>

>Lati

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

, hello!

I have been cutting WAY back on supplements -- and experiencing progress! I am

fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that increase or decrease,

depending upon how much of a substance is available. It makes perfect sense,

but I've never heard of this before. Where can I read more about this? I have

been deficient in magnesium for many, many years. Whenever I have attempted to

supplement with a " regular " amount, such as is suggested on the bottle, I feel

so horrible. I have been assuming that this was some sort of allergic reaction,

and so I would stop the supplement. This went on for years. Now it seems if I

just take 1/4 capsule or 1/5 capsule, I am getting benefit and can tolerate it.

It lines up with this theory (or is it accepted scientific fact?) that my

magnesium " receptors " have increased in order to optimize magnesium " catch " and

get " flooded " on normal amounts. What a revelation! I mean, a life-saver.

Thank you so much for explaining this whole thing. I really would love to read

more, if you can think of some citations on this. It is one MAJOR help to me.

Cheers

Lati

Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths

Lati,

After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight

years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have

been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to

adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to

downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters.

The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that

moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been

scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to

allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way

with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get

far more into cells that you ought to get.

Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just

put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two

ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your

body adjust and find out if it is going to help you.

At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

>My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

>Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

>and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

>

>Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

>

>Thanks

>

>Lati

>

>

>

>=======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

>>>I am fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that

increase or decrease, depending upon how much of a substance is

available. It makes perfect sense, but I've never heard of this

before. Where can I read more about this?

http://www.enzymestuff.com/opiatereceptors.htm

This has been well-studied and characterized for a lot time.

.

[Guest guest]

Lati,

Glad to make you so happy!! One of the things I should emphasize in this

is that some of the up and down-regulation caused by changes in

concentration may be removed by a step or two. I'm used to talking about

this is in the context of sulfate's movement across membranes, so let me

use that as an example. Probably the main function of sulfate biologically

is in sulfating glycosaminoglycans which are complicated big molecules made

up of carbohydrate, and they have sulfate attached to them. Scientists use

a substance called chlorate to keep sulfation from occurring, and I believe

that the way chlorate works is by interfering with sulfate transport. What

happens? The glycosaminoglycans fail to be sulfated properly, and then the

things they regulate get dysregulated, like growth factors and a lot of

movment of other things through little organelle's in the cell and calcium

regulation. So if you've been low in sulfate for a long time, not only are

the transporters expressed at higher levels, but there might be all sorts

of feedback mechanisms going on with the downstream chemistry that are also

" dialed up " because sulfate levels were so low for so long. So if you keep

on chasing the downstream problems, and don't figure out where the problem

was upstream, you can end up over-correcting, and getting the body that

much more confused.

So, its not as if what you feel is the pressure of having so much of what

was missing suddenly higher in your cells, but you have all sorts of

adaptive chemistry that is trying to figure out what to do now.

I know Andy talks a lot about the importance of QUANTITIES of things, and

he is so right about that issue...but what is tough is that we don't always

have enough experimental data to tell us what really OUGHT to be the proper

quantity of things. We also don't always know that giving ourselves

something orally is going to finds its way to the part of our metabolism

that needs it, and what else it will do along the way. After all, if we

were eating a healthy diet, why wasn't it getting to where it needed to go

anyway? So what we need to get better at doing is understanding

compartmentation....where and how things move that we introduce to the body

to help it overcome disease.

Its hard to think of citations when you are talking about things learned

from reading scads of literature, and not from " review articles " . I can't

think of anything, offhand.

At 05:58 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, you wrote:

>, hello!

>

>I have been cutting WAY back on supplements -- and experiencing

>progress! I am fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that

>increase or decrease, depending upon how much of a substance is

>available. It makes perfect sense, but I've never heard of this

>before. Where can I read more about this? I have been deficient in

>magnesium for many, many years. Whenever I have attempted to supplement

>with a " regular " amount, such as is suggested on the bottle, I feel so

>horrible. I have been assuming that this was some sort of allergic

>reaction, and so I would stop the supplement. This went on for

>years. Now it seems if I just take 1/4 capsule or 1/5 capsule, I am

>getting benefit and can tolerate it. It lines up with this theory (or is

>it accepted scientific fact?) that my magnesium " receptors " have increased

>in order to optimize magnesium " catch " and get " flooded " on normal

>amounts. What a revelation! I mean, a life-saver. Thank you so much for

>explaining this whole thing. I really would love to read more, if you can

>think of some citations on this. It is one MAJOR help to me.

>

>Cheers

>

>Lati

> Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths

>

>

> Lati,

>

> After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight

> years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have

> been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to

> adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body

> slowly to

> downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters.

>

> The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that

> moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been

> scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to

> allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this

> way

> with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get

> far more into cells that you ought to get.

>

> Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just

> put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two

> ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help

> your

> body adjust and find out if it is going to help you.

>

>

>

> At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote:

> >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of

> >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row,

> >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards.

> >

> >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths?

> >

> >Thanks

> >

> >Lati

> >

> >

> >

> >=======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

Two or three times a week I give Tyler an epsom salt bath. I use about 3 cups

of salts into enough hot water to dissolve it then I adjust the temp for him.

(I have to dissolve it first because he won't sit if he can feel the salt

granules.) I buy this at our local grocery store, it comes in cardboard-like

half gallon size for about $2.00. Small price to pay if he is having skin

issues! If I slack off on the baths he doesn't like clothes on! Good thing

he's only 3 and we don't go out very much! I've don't rinse or use soap or

shampoo on him when I do these and he has bbeen okay, also, he doesn't srink it

but he will suck on a washcloth occasionally. I don't think it has hurt him

yet.

From: igorginzburg [mailto: imginzburg@...]To:

@...: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:20:11 -0000Subject:

[ ] Epsom salt bathsI am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that

everybody knows how to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom

salt baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should be the

temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is it dangerous if he

likes to drink the water from the bath, and should I give him a shower after the

epsom salt bath or not?Thank you very muchMargaret

[Guest guest]

I have a question about epsom salt baths, how do you know if they will

benefit your child or not? Also, what are the baths supposed to do exactly for

your

child?

Sorry for the ignorance.

Thanks,

Vicki 's Mommy HFA 6.9 months old

[Guest guest]

Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts.

Sometimes the drugstores weasel and put 3# in the box rather than 4# -

check if it seems cheap. A normal 2 qt milk carton like container

holds 4# of the stuff.

Some kids like playing with the crystals, pouring the salts into the

tub, or having the salt poured on them. Find whatever makes it fun so

they like it.

It hurts a lot if they get bath water in their eyes.

Bubbles won't form in epsom salt water.

If they drink a lot of it, it is a laxative. If they drink a

mouthfull, probably nothing will happen.

The more epsom salt the better up to tolerance. Many people do quite

well just putting the whole carton in the tub.

Soak as long as you can or your kid will stand, the more time, the

more magnesium and sulfate absorbed.

Andy . . . .. . . . . . . .

> Two or three times a week I give Tyler an epsom salt bath. I use

about 3 cups of salts into enough hot water to dissolve it then I

adjust the temp for him. (I have to dissolve it first because he

won't sit if he can feel the salt granules.) I buy this at our local

grocery store, it comes in cardboard-like half gallon size for about

$2.00. Small price to pay if he is having skin issues! If I slack

off on the baths he doesn't like clothes on! Good thing he's only 3

and we don't go out very much! I've don't rinse or use soap or

shampoo on him when I do these and he has bbeen okay, also, he

doesn't srink it but he will suck on a washcloth occasionally. I

don't think it has hurt him yet.

> From: igorginzburg [mailto: imginzburg@e...] @y...:

Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:20:11 -0000Subject: [ ] Epsom salt

bathsI am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that everybody knows

how to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom salt

baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should

be the temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is it

dangerous if he likes to drink the water from the bath, and should I

give him a shower after the epsom salt bath or not?Thank you very

muchMargaret

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper

(o:

> Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts.

>

> Sometimes the drugstores weasel and put 3# in the box rather than 4# -

> check if it seems cheap. A normal 2 qt milk carton like container

> holds 4# of the stuff.

>

> Some kids like playing with the crystals, pouring the salts into the

> tub, or having the salt poured on them. Find whatever makes it fun so

> they like it.

>

> It hurts a lot if they get bath water in their eyes.

>

> Bubbles won't form in epsom salt water.

>

> If they drink a lot of it, it is a laxative. If they drink a

> mouthfull, probably nothing will happen.

>

> The more epsom salt the better up to tolerance. Many people do quite

> well just putting the whole carton in the tub.

>

> Soak as long as you can or your kid will stand, the more time, the

> more magnesium and sulfate absorbed.

>

[Guest guest]

> I am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that everybody knows how

> to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom salt

> baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should

> be the temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is

> it dangerous if he likes to drink the water from the bath, and

> should I give him a shower after the epsom salt bath or not?

I have answers to these questions on my page here

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

[Guest guest]

> If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper

> (o:

> > Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts.

Next time I go by a Wal-mart I will check. I want to give the best

information I can, and with epsom salt baths using it liberally (like

a box per tubfull) really helps so even at $1.89 a box it adds up

fast.

Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . .

[Guest guest]

> > If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper

> > (o:

> > > Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts.

>

> Next time I go by a Wal-mart I will check. I want to give the best

> information I can, and with epsom salt baths using it liberally

(like

> a box per tubfull) really helps so even at $1.89 a box it adds up

> fast.

>

> Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . .

If one has a good relationship with an independant pharmacy (hard to

find anymore...chains push their own house brand) or large animal

veterinarian, surely larger amounts can be had more economically for

a little effort in finding a source......feed mills even?

I'm still using the cartons myself, but I think I should be looking

into the above for 50 to 100 lb lots.....

Regards,

Beth

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/03 3:12:31 AM, shilo572001@... writes:

> or large animal

> veterinarian, surely larger amounts can be had more economically for

> a little effort in finding a source......feed mills even?

>

> I'm still using the cartons myself, but I think I should be looking

> into the above for 50 to 100 lb lots.....

>

This may not be " clean " enough. They keep handing me household epsom salts

when I ask for them at the chemist and I have to give them back and ask for

pharmaceutical grade.

Just check what you are getting.

Marti

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Do you have any idea what it means if a 12 year old boy becomes more

aggressive and hyper during and after a epsom salt bath?

Jean

[Guest guest]

I asked this question of Dr Rosemary Waring at a conference, she said no

problem, if you don;t need it you will pee it out again

My first ES bath made me go at 100 miles an hour, wow, ........pity I did it

at night lol

MAndi in UK

> I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made

> me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me

> this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts

> by bathing daily?

>

[Guest guest]

You can do them every day. There's no overdosing from them.

You might also try a lesser amount of ES just for cost-saving

purposes.

W

> I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have

made

> me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me

> this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom

salts

> by bathing daily?

>

> Thanks,

> Bernadette

[Guest guest]

For my daughter I used epsom salt cream. It seemed to help her concentration. At

the same time though she tends to get nauseous at bedtime when I use it with

her. She had the same issue with MSM, but not with ALA or Taurine all of which

are sulfury.

Dagmar.

Re: [ ] Epsom salt baths

I asked this question of Dr Rosemary Waring at a conference, she said no

problem, if you don;t need it you will pee it out again

My first ES bath made me go at 100 miles an hour, wow, ........pity I did it

at night lol

MAndi in UK

> I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made

> me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me

> this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts

> by bathing daily?

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Bernadette Czernik " <czernib@w...>

wrote:

> I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made

> me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me

> this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts

> by bathing daily?

Some " children " [so this may or may not affect you personally] seem to develop a

tolerance, meaning if they do it every day, the effect

eventually wears off.

You might want to consider reducing your phenol load, or using No-Fenol enzyme,

because this is what the bath is addressing

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried three

different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe

stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The heartburn take

awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the bottle

said. I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no pheno

enzyme gentle? I am afraid to try it.

Thanks,

Bernadette

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Message: 14

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:40:49 -0000

From: " danasview " <danasview@...>

Subject: Re: Epsom salt baths

> I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have

made

> me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me

> this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom

salts

> by bathing daily?

Some " children " [so this may or may not affect you personally] seem to

develop a tolerance, meaning if they do it every day, the effect

eventually wears off.

You might want to consider reducing your phenol load, or using No-Fenol

enzyme, because this is what the bath is addressing

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

http://www.houstonni.com/

Dana

[Guest guest]

--- In , " Bernadette Czernik " <czernib@w...>

wrote:

> Hi Dana,

>

> I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried three

> different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe

> stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The heartburn take

> awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the bottle

> said.

I had this problem when I first started enzymes. I was eating too many foods

that the enzymes were addressing, causing a major

shock to my body. I sure would not want to repeat that experience, but now I

can use enzymes and eat most foods. The " good " side

to the negative experience is that I lost 50 pounds!

>> I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no pheno

> enzyme gentle?

I would not call it " gentle " . And if you are eating raw foods, I would assume

that means fruits/veggies mostly, not meats. And the

No-Fenol would address that, so you might have problems similar to what I had.

You might want to limit your foods to those which

are naturally lower in phenols

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Then if you get " brave " , you can start with just a small sprinkle of No-Fenol,

see if that helps.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana,

Thanks for your reply. What did you do to make you be able to eat

most foods with enzymes? Was it just chelation that helped? Have you

tried eating those foods without enzymes? Will you eventually get to

the point where you can eat anything without enzymes if enough

mercury is removed?

Thanks,

Bernadette

> > Hi Dana,

> >

> > I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried

three

> > different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe

> > stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The

heartburn take

> > awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the

bottle

> > said.

>

>

> I had this problem when I first started enzymes. I was eating too

many foods that the enzymes were addressing, causing a major

> shock to my body. I sure would not want to repeat that experience,

but now I can use enzymes and eat most foods. The " good " side

> to the negative experience is that I lost 50 pounds!

>

>

> >> I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no

pheno

> > enzyme gentle?

>

>

> I would not call it " gentle " . And if you are eating raw foods, I

would assume that means fruits/veggies mostly, not meats. And the

> No-Fenol would address that, so you might have problems similar to

what I had. You might want to limit your foods to those which

> are naturally lower in phenols

>

> http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

>

> Then if you get " brave " , you can start with just a small sprinkle

of No-Fenol, see if that helps.

>

> Dana