Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 The sulfur in sulfate is more or less an " end product " of the sulfur metabolism, and I think it is highly unlikely that the sulfur that is represented by that high figure is sulfate, but I haven't seen any discussion of what is making hair get high in sulfur on those tests, and there is no research that I have found measuring sulfate in hair. It may be that the cysteines are bound by sulfite, to increase the level of sulfur, but I don't know. I imagine there is little risk from trying the epsom salts baths and seeing how he does. But, as usual, start slowly, and each time you do it, add a little more to the water until you move up to your target amount in the tub (which is usually about a cup to a full bath). That way, if he has been low in sulfate for awhile, the easing in gives his body a chance to adjust to the higher amount, and gives you time to decide whether he tolerates it OK, and if it improves things. But while you are easing in, you might not see the positive changes you might see later when the dose is higher. Was this hair test done pre-chelation, during or post-chelation? If applicable, what chelating agent were you using? At 11:34 PM 8/7/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I was reading about how one mom used epsom salt baths for her son and >his oppositonal behavior went away. His mood was better and he was >more cooperative. I was all ready to try it, then I looked at his >hair analysis and it showed his sulphur to be high (56,400) with a >range of 45,500 to 53,000. Does this mean I shouldn't do the baths >for him? Thanks in advance. > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 3, 2003 Report Share Posted September 3, 2003 Hi-- I will email you some info on ES baths and it will explain why you feel lousy... my advice would be to cut way way back on the amount. when my son reacted badly, I went down to about one tablespoon per bathtub of water and only did this every few days and very very slowly worked up. Now, we use maybe a half cup per bath, and he can tolerate them daily. The sulfation/magnesium is just too important to give up on the baths. W > My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of > Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, > and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > > Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > > Thanks > > Lati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Lati, After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters. The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get far more into cells that you ought to get. Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your body adjust and find out if it is going to help you. At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > >Thanks > >Lati > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? Epsom salt baths work great for my son (he's 4). I'd start small and work your way up, though. Try a third or half cup of salt once a week, and then 3 times a week, and then every other day. You can increase the amount of salt, as well. Use coconut oil after the bath, as the salt kind of dries out your skin (coconut oil is extremely healthy as it contains lauric acid). The highest quality coconut oil I know of (Dr. Mercola recommends it) is found at www.coconut-info.com When my son is fussy, I give him an Epsom salt bath and let him play in the water for 20 minutes. He's really amiable and happy during and after his bath. Also, do you have a chlorine filter on your shower head (fill the bathtub with the shower)? If not, you're exposing your body to A LOT of chlorine and chlorine gas. When your pores are open in a nice warm bath, your body will readily absorb the chlorine. That's not good. I suggest getting a shower filter for your shower. The filter that Dr. Mercola recommends (www.mercola.com) is found at the following link: http://www.improvementscatalog.com/product.asp?product=181128zz & dept%5Fid=10610 It's $29.99 (item number 181128); you can also order by phone (800-642-2112). I'm not affiliated with any of these companies or Dr. Mercola; however, I do respect his work very much (he's helped a lot of autistic kids). Dr. Mercola has a free email newsletter that's always filled with healthy tips (and info about why vaccines are dangerous). You can subscribe at www.mercola.com >Thanks > >Lati > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Thank you so much. This is so helpful! I look forward to gettiing the info. You can e-mail me at latimerkells@... Lati [ ] Re: Epsom Salt Baths Hi-- I will email you some info on ES baths and it will explain why you feel lousy... my advice would be to cut way way back on the amount. when my son reacted badly, I went down to about one tablespoon per bathtub of water and only did this every few days and very very slowly worked up. Now, we use maybe a half cup per bath, and he can tolerate them daily. The sulfation/magnesium is just too important to give up on the baths. W > My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of > Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, > and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > > Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > > Thanks > > Lati Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 4, 2003 Report Share Posted September 4, 2003 Thanks, . This is so interesting. Like an ah-hah moment. Thanks again. Lati Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths Lati, After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters. The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get far more into cells that you ought to get. Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your body adjust and find out if it is going to help you. At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > >Thanks > >Lati > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 , hello! I have been cutting WAY back on supplements -- and experiencing progress! I am fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that increase or decrease, depending upon how much of a substance is available. It makes perfect sense, but I've never heard of this before. Where can I read more about this? I have been deficient in magnesium for many, many years. Whenever I have attempted to supplement with a " regular " amount, such as is suggested on the bottle, I feel so horrible. I have been assuming that this was some sort of allergic reaction, and so I would stop the supplement. This went on for years. Now it seems if I just take 1/4 capsule or 1/5 capsule, I am getting benefit and can tolerate it. It lines up with this theory (or is it accepted scientific fact?) that my magnesium " receptors " have increased in order to optimize magnesium " catch " and get " flooded " on normal amounts. What a revelation! I mean, a life-saver. Thank you so much for explaining this whole thing. I really would love to read more, if you can think of some citations on this. It is one MAJOR help to me. Cheers Lati Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths Lati, After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body slowly to downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters. The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this way with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get far more into cells that you ought to get. Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help your body adjust and find out if it is going to help you. At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > >Thanks > >Lati > > > >======================================================= > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2003 Report Share Posted September 9, 2003 >>>I am fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that increase or decrease, depending upon how much of a substance is available. It makes perfect sense, but I've never heard of this before. Where can I read more about this? http://www.enzymestuff.com/opiatereceptors.htm This has been well-studied and characterized for a lot time. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 10, 2003 Report Share Posted September 10, 2003 Lati, Glad to make you so happy!! One of the things I should emphasize in this is that some of the up and down-regulation caused by changes in concentration may be removed by a step or two. I'm used to talking about this is in the context of sulfate's movement across membranes, so let me use that as an example. Probably the main function of sulfate biologically is in sulfating glycosaminoglycans which are complicated big molecules made up of carbohydrate, and they have sulfate attached to them. Scientists use a substance called chlorate to keep sulfation from occurring, and I believe that the way chlorate works is by interfering with sulfate transport. What happens? The glycosaminoglycans fail to be sulfated properly, and then the things they regulate get dysregulated, like growth factors and a lot of movment of other things through little organelle's in the cell and calcium regulation. So if you've been low in sulfate for a long time, not only are the transporters expressed at higher levels, but there might be all sorts of feedback mechanisms going on with the downstream chemistry that are also " dialed up " because sulfate levels were so low for so long. So if you keep on chasing the downstream problems, and don't figure out where the problem was upstream, you can end up over-correcting, and getting the body that much more confused. So, its not as if what you feel is the pressure of having so much of what was missing suddenly higher in your cells, but you have all sorts of adaptive chemistry that is trying to figure out what to do now. I know Andy talks a lot about the importance of QUANTITIES of things, and he is so right about that issue...but what is tough is that we don't always have enough experimental data to tell us what really OUGHT to be the proper quantity of things. We also don't always know that giving ourselves something orally is going to finds its way to the part of our metabolism that needs it, and what else it will do along the way. After all, if we were eating a healthy diet, why wasn't it getting to where it needed to go anyway? So what we need to get better at doing is understanding compartmentation....where and how things move that we introduce to the body to help it overcome disease. Its hard to think of citations when you are talking about things learned from reading scads of literature, and not from " review articles " . I can't think of anything, offhand. At 05:58 PM 9/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: >, hello! > >I have been cutting WAY back on supplements -- and experiencing >progress! I am fascinated by this whole concept of cell " receptors " that >increase or decrease, depending upon how much of a substance is >available. It makes perfect sense, but I've never heard of this >before. Where can I read more about this? I have been deficient in >magnesium for many, many years. Whenever I have attempted to supplement >with a " regular " amount, such as is suggested on the bottle, I feel so >horrible. I have been assuming that this was some sort of allergic >reaction, and so I would stop the supplement. This went on for >years. Now it seems if I just take 1/4 capsule or 1/5 capsule, I am >getting benefit and can tolerate it. It lines up with this theory (or is >it accepted scientific fact?) that my magnesium " receptors " have increased >in order to optimize magnesium " catch " and get " flooded " on normal >amounts. What a revelation! I mean, a life-saver. Thank you so much for >explaining this whole thing. I really would love to read more, if you can >think of some citations on this. It is one MAJOR help to me. > >Cheers > >Lati > Re: [ ] Epsom Salt Baths > > > Lati, > > After listening to people's stories about using epsom salts for eight > years, I am of the opinion that people with any idea that they might have > been sulfate deficient should ease in slowly, for this allows the body to > adjust to something that it has been lacking, and allows the body > slowly to > downregulate the quantity of sulfate transporters. > > The sense of this is that if you have been deficient of something that > moves across membranes by a regulated transporter, then when it has been > scarce, the body will increase the number of receptors at the membrane to > allow more to be absorbed. But, if you come at a body adjusted in this > way > with a lot of sulfate it is not used to, it can be overwhelming....You get > far more into cells that you ought to get. > > Don't decide this means it won't help you, but next time you try it, just > put in an ounce or two. If that goes fine, the next day, add two > ounces. The next day, try three ounces. Etc. That way you will help > your > body adjust and find out if it is going to help you. > > > > At 01:51 AM 9/4/2003 +0000, you wrote: > >My doctor recommended taking a comfortably hot bath with 1/2 pound of > >Epsom salts in the water. I've done this for two nights in a row, > >and it makes me feel lousy afterwards. > > > >Would anyone please tell me their experiences with epsom salt baths? > > > >Thanks > > > >Lati > > > > > > > >======================================================= > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 Two or three times a week I give Tyler an epsom salt bath. I use about 3 cups of salts into enough hot water to dissolve it then I adjust the temp for him. (I have to dissolve it first because he won't sit if he can feel the salt granules.) I buy this at our local grocery store, it comes in cardboard-like half gallon size for about $2.00. Small price to pay if he is having skin issues! If I slack off on the baths he doesn't like clothes on! Good thing he's only 3 and we don't go out very much! I've don't rinse or use soap or shampoo on him when I do these and he has bbeen okay, also, he doesn't srink it but he will suck on a washcloth occasionally. I don't think it has hurt him yet. From: igorginzburg [mailto: imginzburg@...]To: @...: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:20:11 -0000Subject: [ ] Epsom salt bathsI am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that everybody knows how to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom salt baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should be the temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is it dangerous if he likes to drink the water from the bath, and should I give him a shower after the epsom salt bath or not?Thank you very muchMargaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2003 Report Share Posted October 4, 2003 I have a question about epsom salt baths, how do you know if they will benefit your child or not? Also, what are the baths supposed to do exactly for your child? Sorry for the ignorance. Thanks, Vicki 's Mommy HFA 6.9 months old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts. Sometimes the drugstores weasel and put 3# in the box rather than 4# - check if it seems cheap. A normal 2 qt milk carton like container holds 4# of the stuff. Some kids like playing with the crystals, pouring the salts into the tub, or having the salt poured on them. Find whatever makes it fun so they like it. It hurts a lot if they get bath water in their eyes. Bubbles won't form in epsom salt water. If they drink a lot of it, it is a laxative. If they drink a mouthfull, probably nothing will happen. The more epsom salt the better up to tolerance. Many people do quite well just putting the whole carton in the tub. Soak as long as you can or your kid will stand, the more time, the more magnesium and sulfate absorbed. Andy . . . .. . . . . . . . > Two or three times a week I give Tyler an epsom salt bath. I use about 3 cups of salts into enough hot water to dissolve it then I adjust the temp for him. (I have to dissolve it first because he won't sit if he can feel the salt granules.) I buy this at our local grocery store, it comes in cardboard-like half gallon size for about $2.00. Small price to pay if he is having skin issues! If I slack off on the baths he doesn't like clothes on! Good thing he's only 3 and we don't go out very much! I've don't rinse or use soap or shampoo on him when I do these and he has bbeen okay, also, he doesn't srink it but he will suck on a washcloth occasionally. I don't think it has hurt him yet. > From: igorginzburg [mailto: imginzburg@e...] @y...: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 01:20:11 -0000Subject: [ ] Epsom salt bathsI am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that everybody knows how to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom salt baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should be the temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is it dangerous if he likes to drink the water from the bath, and should I give him a shower after the epsom salt bath or not?Thank you very muchMargaret > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper (o: > Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts. > > Sometimes the drugstores weasel and put 3# in the box rather than 4# - > check if it seems cheap. A normal 2 qt milk carton like container > holds 4# of the stuff. > > Some kids like playing with the crystals, pouring the salts into the > tub, or having the salt poured on them. Find whatever makes it fun so > they like it. > > It hurts a lot if they get bath water in their eyes. > > Bubbles won't form in epsom salt water. > > If they drink a lot of it, it is a laxative. If they drink a > mouthfull, probably nothing will happen. > > The more epsom salt the better up to tolerance. Many people do quite > well just putting the whole carton in the tub. > > Soak as long as you can or your kid will stand, the more time, the > more magnesium and sulfate absorbed. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > I am sorry for stupid questions, as I know that everybody knows how > to do it, but I still never tried it - how do you make epsom salt > baths? Where do you buy epsom salt, how much do you use, what should > be the temperature, how long should the child stay in the bath, is > it dangerous if he likes to drink the water from the bath, and > should I give him a shower after the epsom salt bath or not? I have answers to these questions on my page here http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper > (o: > > Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts. Next time I go by a Wal-mart I will check. I want to give the best information I can, and with epsom salt baths using it liberally (like a box per tubfull) really helps so even at $1.89 a box it adds up fast. Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2003 Report Share Posted October 5, 2003 > > If you're pinching pennies (as I am), WalMart is even cheaper > > (o: > > > Generally Target has the cheapest epsom salts. > > Next time I go by a Wal-mart I will check. I want to give the best > information I can, and with epsom salt baths using it liberally (like > a box per tubfull) really helps so even at $1.89 a box it adds up > fast. > > Andy . . .. . . . . . . . . . If one has a good relationship with an independant pharmacy (hard to find anymore...chains push their own house brand) or large animal veterinarian, surely larger amounts can be had more economically for a little effort in finding a source......feed mills even? I'm still using the cartons myself, but I think I should be looking into the above for 50 to 100 lb lots..... Regards, Beth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2003 Report Share Posted October 6, 2003 In a message dated 10/6/03 3:12:31 AM, shilo572001@... writes: > or large animal > veterinarian, surely larger amounts can be had more economically for > a little effort in finding a source......feed mills even? > > I'm still using the cartons myself, but I think I should be looking > into the above for 50 to 100 lb lots..... > This may not be " clean " enough. They keep handing me household epsom salts when I ask for them at the chemist and I have to give them back and ask for pharmaceutical grade. Just check what you are getting. Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Andy, Do you have any idea what it means if a 12 year old boy becomes more aggressive and hyper during and after a epsom salt bath? Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 I asked this question of Dr Rosemary Waring at a conference, she said no problem, if you don;t need it you will pee it out again My first ES bath made me go at 100 miles an hour, wow, ........pity I did it at night lol MAndi in UK > I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made > me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me > this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts > by bathing daily? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 You can do them every day. There's no overdosing from them. You might also try a lesser amount of ES just for cost-saving purposes. W > I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made > me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me > this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts > by bathing daily? > > Thanks, > Bernadette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 13, 2004 Report Share Posted January 13, 2004 For my daughter I used epsom salt cream. It seemed to help her concentration. At the same time though she tends to get nauseous at bedtime when I use it with her. She had the same issue with MSM, but not with ALA or Taurine all of which are sulfury. Dagmar. Re: [ ] Epsom salt baths I asked this question of Dr Rosemary Waring at a conference, she said no problem, if you don;t need it you will pee it out again My first ES bath made me go at 100 miles an hour, wow, ........pity I did it at night lol MAndi in UK > I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made > me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me > this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts > by bathing daily? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 --- In , " Bernadette Czernik " <czernib@w...> wrote: > I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made > me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me > this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts > by bathing daily? Some " children " [so this may or may not affect you personally] seem to develop a tolerance, meaning if they do it every day, the effect eventually wears off. You might want to consider reducing your phenol load, or using No-Fenol enzyme, because this is what the bath is addressing http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm http://www.houstonni.com/ Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2004 Report Share Posted January 14, 2004 Hi Dana, I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried three different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The heartburn take awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the bottle said. I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no pheno enzyme gentle? I am afraid to try it. Thanks, Bernadette __ Message: 14 Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:40:49 -0000 From: " danasview " <danasview@...> Subject: Re: Epsom salt baths > I tried my first epsom salt bath this morning, and it seems to have made > me more relaxed and in a good mood. The bad drivers didn't get to me > this morning. Can I do it every day or can you overdose on epsom salts > by bathing daily? Some " children " [so this may or may not affect you personally] seem to develop a tolerance, meaning if they do it every day, the effect eventually wears off. You might want to consider reducing your phenol load, or using No-Fenol enzyme, because this is what the bath is addressing http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm http://www.houstonni.com/ Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2004 Report Share Posted January 15, 2004 --- In , " Bernadette Czernik " <czernib@w...> wrote: > Hi Dana, > > I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried three > different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe > stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The heartburn take > awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the bottle > said. I had this problem when I first started enzymes. I was eating too many foods that the enzymes were addressing, causing a major shock to my body. I sure would not want to repeat that experience, but now I can use enzymes and eat most foods. The " good " side to the negative experience is that I lost 50 pounds! >> I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no pheno > enzyme gentle? I would not call it " gentle " . And if you are eating raw foods, I would assume that means fruits/veggies mostly, not meats. And the No-Fenol would address that, so you might have problems similar to what I had. You might want to limit your foods to those which are naturally lower in phenols http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Then if you get " brave " , you can start with just a small sprinkle of No-Fenol, see if that helps. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2004 Report Share Posted January 21, 2004 Hi Dana, Thanks for your reply. What did you do to make you be able to eat most foods with enzymes? Was it just chelation that helped? Have you tried eating those foods without enzymes? Will you eventually get to the point where you can eat anything without enzymes if enough mercury is removed? Thanks, Bernadette > > Hi Dana, > > > > I am one of the unlucky few that can't take any enzymes. I tried three > > different products, and I soon after was doubled over with severe > > stomach pain and development of heartburn soon after. The heartburn take > > awhile to go away. This was even with a much lower dose than the bottle > > said. > > > I had this problem when I first started enzymes. I was eating too many foods that the enzymes were addressing, causing a major > shock to my body. I sure would not want to repeat that experience, but now I can use enzymes and eat most foods. The " good " side > to the negative experience is that I lost 50 pounds! > > > >> I am trying to incorporate more raw foods instead. Is the no pheno > > enzyme gentle? > > > I would not call it " gentle " . And if you are eating raw foods, I would assume that means fruits/veggies mostly, not meats. And the > No-Fenol would address that, so you might have problems similar to what I had. You might want to limit your foods to those which > are naturally lower in phenols > > http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm > > Then if you get " brave " , you can start with just a small sprinkle of No-Fenol, see if that helps. > > Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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