weight and transdermals and other stuff

[Guest guest]

and painting our breasts with iodine, yes

> iodine.......sounds wild but does help:)))

sounds like Cougareen tribal paint...belly stripses and painted breasts

[Guest guest]

> sounds like Cougareen tribal paint...belly stripses and painted breasts

>

>

-----> I'm bored with squares and am getting into abstracts....you

know like in Nat. Geo. Very very nice look!

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Well that's an idea...wonder if there's a chance it would be a uterine

protectant. You're just briming with smartness!!!

L

> I should paint it with Iodine too, LOLLOLLOL... ) my hubby is

never bored,

> that's forsure,

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Lynn wrote:

Well that's an idea...wonder if there's a chance it would be a uterine protectant. You're just briming with smartness!!!Guy Abraham, MD, says that iodine goes primarily to breast(s) and uterus and so if I have uterine soreness it goes there topically too (not internally). Check out www.optimox.com for iodine and breast/uterus. Lots of stuff there.

Madeleen

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[Guest guest]

> Well that's an idea...wonder if there's a chance it would be a

uterine protectant. You're just briming with smartness!!!

>

> Guy Abraham, MD, says that iodine goes primarily to breast(s) and

uterus and so if I have uterine soreness it goes there topically too

(not internally). Check out www.optimox.com for iodine and

breast/uterus. Lots of stuff there.

>

> Madeleen

I remember when I had a HUGE bottle of Betadine to clean my dog's

surgical scars and I had a lot left...I put about 2 cups in the

water...now, rust colored water...and bathed in there. I felt

unbeliavbly exhilarated after the bath..it was wonderful. I do like

iodine, the smell, everything.

>

[Guest guest]

> >>>>>>>>>>LOLLOL........hey, maybe if you douched with it,

LOLLOL...) L

They do sell Betadine douche solution!!

[Guest guest]

I had to douche with betadine before my hyst. Not sure what the reason was as they took it out!!!! It wasn't going to get infected.

>>>>>>>>>>LOLLOL........hey, maybe if you douched with it, LOLLOL...) L

I shouldn't have said that, someone may try it.....painting is good, L

[Guest guest]

OMG .... " may take YEARS " ??? I'm 61!! I'll be in a

gol'darn nursing home before I get all this P out of

me!! Maybe I can donate my cadaver to a medical

school for dummy studies!! :)Carolyn

--- Nuimom@... wrote:

>

> In a message dated 9/14/2005 3:03:37 PM Pacific

> Standard Time,

> satoristar3@... writes:

>

> Of course, what I am NOT factoring in here is any

> residue that we recovering WPers may have left

> still

> in our systems from the fat-stored P. So, maybe

> that

> is a contributing factor adding to the P effect???

> Once that P of the WP is finally gone, then maybe

> we

> can be giving the vag-P a more accurate testing!!

> Love, Carolyn

>

>

> >>>>>>>>>YES, bout time, the WP P IS a BIG

> factor........P is still breaking

> out of many of us, and may for years. That is why

> some of us are still using

> more E, and painting our breasts with iodine, yes

> iodine.......sounds wild

> but does help:)))

>

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Donate it in memory of Lee and TS Wiley.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of carolyn eganOMG ...."may take YEARS"??? I'm 61!! I'll be in agol'darn nursing home before I get all this P out ofme!! Maybe I can donate my cadaver to a medicalschool for dummy studies!! :)Carolyn

[Guest guest]

-- it's causing me pain and dry

sounds like thyroid, and low E , LOL L

[Guest guest]

Damn straight! Consider it done, Val!! :)Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> Donate it in memory of Lee and TS Wiley.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

> carolyn egan

>

>

> OMG .... " may take YEARS " ??? I'm 61!! I'll be

> in a

> gol'darn nursing home before I get all this P out

> of

> me!! Maybe I can donate my cadaver to a medical

> school for dummy studies!! :)Carolyn

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Okay but what is the ANSWER TO THIS? My doctor doesn't seem to

know. He keeps reinforcing that I MUST use the P if I'm using any

E! So what is the short answer? Not take P? For how long?

> > > From what I'm seeing, here and in the literature,

> > the P cream

> > builds up in

> > > the fat and sits there. There is inadequate

> > research for using P

> > cream to

> > > protect the endometrium, though if it causes a

> > shed, then maybe it

> > does.

> > > There just has not been enough research on it.

> > >

> > > Val

> > >

> > > -----Original Message-----

> > > From: rhythmicliving

> > > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf

> > Of

> > > I was the crazy one who switched to the P cream

> > and that is when

> > all my

> > > trouble started.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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You must use P if you use E. Period. The issue is how to use P with the fewest negative symptoms. P cream, however, is a different animal.

Val

-----Original Message-----From: rhythmicliving [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of He keeps reinforcing that I MUST use the P if I'm using any E! So what is the short answer? Not take P? For how long?

[Guest guest]

Val....

That says it all!! Sorry for " SCREAMING " headlines

here, gals...it is just that I think we are all coming

to some very important understandings and conclusions,

and I would be remiss if anyone in our group skips

over the points we have all fought so hard to find!!

Carolyn

--- Valarie wrote:

> You must use P if you use E. Period. The issue is

> how to use P with the

> fewest negative symptoms. P cream, however, is a

> different animal.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

>

> He keeps reinforcing that I MUST use the P if I'm

> using any

> E! So what is the short answer? Not take P? For

> how long?

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes. I was getting a migraine once a week and nauseous every day.

Today is one of those days. I used P cream all last month.

> You must use P if you use E. Period. The issue is how to use P

with the

> fewest negative symptoms. P cream, however, is a different animal.

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> He keeps reinforcing that I MUST use the P if I'm using any

> E! So what is the short answer? Not take P? For how long?

[Guest guest]

I switched to OO P and thought that using 2 drops at a time would be

okay. Wrong. So I thought the OO was too strong for me and had the

natural base P cream made up. As I was saying yesterday, I think I

will ask to go on Crinone now. I think that even if I get a P cream

made up at 12.5 mg per line, I'll still feel sick.

> , why do you keep using the P cream?

>

> Val

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: rhythmicliving

> [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf Of

>

>

> Yes. I was getting a migraine once a week and nauseous every day.

> Today is one of those days. I used P cream all last month.

[Guest guest]

! Go for it!! (Crinone) It sounds like you are in

Hormonal Hell!! The vaginal form of delivery,I think,

is all that is left for us...or more probably, is all

that we should have been doing in the first place,

with our BHRT!! WITH doc's OK, of course!! :)

Love, Carolyn

--- wrote:

> I switched to OO P and thought that using 2 drops at

> a time would be

> okay. Wrong. So I thought the OO was too strong

> for me and had the

> natural base P cream made up. As I was saying

> yesterday, I think I

> will ask to go on Crinone now. I think that even if

> I get a P cream

> made up at 12.5 mg per line, I'll still feel sick.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> > , why do you keep using the P cream?

> >

> > Val

> >

> > -----Original Message-----

> > From: rhythmicliving

> > [mailto:rhythmicliving ]On Behalf

> Of

> >

> >

> > Yes. I was getting a migraine once a week and

> nauseous every day.

> > Today is one of those days. I used P cream all

> last month.

>

>

>

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Maybe I need this. But my doctor only goes by what he sees on the

stupid blood tests. Useless!

>

> > I wish there was more literature on how to get the P

> > out of the fat stores....the only answer I keep

> > getting is " time " . Sigh. Carolyn

> >

>

> For me, I thought not using P for 3 months, the 4 grains Armour I

am on

> helping metabolize it outta me more quickly than others it seemed,

and

> they say T also opposes P, which might be another avenue (using

some

> testosterone) to get it mobilized and out. Also.. took milk

thistle

> daily, just in case it would help my liver get it out

>

[Guest guest]

...then I will quote an excerpt from Vliet's

original book, page 439:

" The KEY is not what DOSE you are taking, but what

level of estradiol is produced in your body from what

you are taking " .

Now, taking that quote to its logical conclusion, the

reality is also that it is not only blood levels, but

also HOW YOUR BODY IS REACTING TO THOSE BLOOD LEVELS!

In the reading of Vliet, she often refers to examples

of women she had in her clinic, where one would do

just fine on 80 pg/ml for a certain condition, and

another would need, say, 130 pg/ml in order to effect

the systemic results sought. And, of course, a lot

also depends on our age and how close or far we are

from early menopause, ie, how much natural estradiol

is still circulating, and so forth!

And of course, some ancient docs still refuse to go by

anything other than symptoms...which they THEN tell us

are all " in our heads " anyway!!!

By the way, I will be bringing a printout of that

quote from Vliet to my new doc...I have already sent

her 40 odd pages of studies ahead of time, mailed in

one of those USPS Priority cardboard 9 x 12 envelopes

- just to attract her attention from all the other

mail she gets. This will be quite interesting...and I

STILL am not sure if she will take me seriously, or

fight me! Carolyn

--- wrote:

> Maybe I need this. But my doctor only goes by what

> he sees on the

> stupid blood tests. Useless!

>

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > I wish there was more literature on how to get

> the P

> > > out of the fat stores....the only answer I keep

> > > getting is " time " . Sigh. Carolyn

> > >

> >

> > For me, I thought not using P for 3 months, the 4

> grains Armour I

> am on

> > helping metabolize it outta me more quickly than

> others it seemed,

> and

> > they say T also opposes P, which might be another

> avenue (using

> some

> > testosterone) to get it mobilized and out. Also..

> took milk

> thistle

> > daily, just in case it would help my liver get

> it out

> >

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Are you sitting on top of that book?? Well thanks. She sounds VERY

logical. I like that.

> > >

> > > > I wish there was more literature on how to get

> > the P

> > > > out of the fat stores....the only answer I keep

> > > > getting is " time " . Sigh. Carolyn

> > > >

> > >

> > > For me, I thought not using P for 3 months, the 4

> > grains Armour I

> > am on

> > > helping metabolize it outta me more quickly than

> > others it seemed,

> > and

> > > they say T also opposes P, which might be another

> > avenue (using

> > some

> > > testosterone) to get it mobilized and out. Also..

> > took milk

> > thistle

> > > daily, just in case it would help my liver get

> > it out

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah, actually..I AM almost sitting on it...and it IS

big enough to provide cover for my WP zipcode of a

butt!! I DO rely on her logic, for topic after topic.

:) :)Carolyn

--- wrote:

> Are you sitting on top of that book?? Well thanks.

> She sounds VERY

> logical. I like that.

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > I wish there was more literature on how to

> get

> > > the P

> > > > > out of the fat stores....the only answer I

> keep

> > > > > getting is " time " . Sigh. Carolyn

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > For me, I thought not using P for 3 months,

> the 4

> > > grains Armour I

> > > am on

> > > > helping metabolize it outta me more quickly

> than

> > > others it seemed,

> > > and

> > > > they say T also opposes P, which might be

> another

> > > avenue (using

> > > some

> > > > testosterone) to get it mobilized and out.

> Also..

> > > took milk

> > > thistle

> > > > daily, just in case it would help my liver

> get

> > > it out

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

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