Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

August 8, 2009

Donna M-P wrote:

>When I think of the

> way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the

> tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here,

> they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really

> memorize those darned tables!

hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see,

the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the

grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they

put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of

them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well,

even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while

in a proper grade 4 class

he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going

into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but

still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never

had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive

tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it.

im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im

wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables.

maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in

september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have

any ideas that might help?

:*carolyn.

August 8, 2009

That's true too, that you had choices. I think we always have some choices but I also know for some families they are terribly limited and that is heartbreaking sometimes. I get very upset with the people who have a lot more options and choose the easiest but not necessarily best way.

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm so glad you have a great school, and how cool is it that he has relatives there!! That is a joy. I'm glad for your kids, Darcy. A private school wouldn't necessarily be better. You're right about that.My son's elementary school was fantastic. So was his preschool. The local junior high was so poorly run at the time. Such a mess. His teachers had lost control. They had given up. Did I want him to accept this as a pattern for life? Did I want him to think that his career would be like this: that he should have low expectations for other people's behavior? Was I going to tell him to suck it up and get used to it? Um, no "learned helplessness" allowed. I wanted him to grow up knowing that there are places where people care about what they're doing, and where people have high standards and expectations for excellent performance and excellent relationships, and that you can create those environments. You can plant those seeds wherever you go. You can do this if you have a healthy heart, mind and soul.I also wanted him to know that you don't leave your loved ones twisting in the wind.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Darcy Ledman <exercise.junkiegmail> wrote:

I have the exact thoughts as you . Why not give them the most and best if you can? Agree 100%. Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart. I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason. However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school. Really great I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. Anyway, I agree totally. There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the "real world", and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different "sheltered school".Darcy

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, A. M. <plantpoweredgmail> wrote:

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

That's true too, that you had choices. I think we always have some choices but I also know for some families they are terribly limited and that is heartbreaking sometimes. I get very upset with the people who have a lot more options and choose the easiest but not necessarily best way.

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm so glad you have a great school, and how cool is it that he has relatives there!! That is a joy. I'm glad for your kids, Darcy. A private school wouldn't necessarily be better. You're right about that.My son's elementary school was fantastic. So was his preschool. The local junior high was so poorly run at the time. Such a mess. His teachers had lost control. They had given up. Did I want him to accept this as a pattern for life? Did I want him to think that his career would be like this: that he should have low expectations for other people's behavior? Was I going to tell him to suck it up and get used to it? Um, no "learned helplessness" allowed. I wanted him to grow up knowing that there are places where people care about what they're doing, and where people have high standards and expectations for excellent performance and excellent relationships, and that you can create those environments. You can plant those seeds wherever you go. You can do this if you have a healthy heart, mind and soul.I also wanted him to know that you don't leave your loved ones twisting in the wind.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Darcy Ledman <exercise.junkiegmail> wrote:

I have the exact thoughts as you . Why not give them the most and best if you can? Agree 100%. Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart. I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason. However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school. Really great I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. Anyway, I agree totally. There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the "real world", and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different "sheltered school".Darcy

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, A. M. <plantpoweredgmail> wrote:

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

That's true too, that you had choices. I think we always have some choices but I also know for some families they are terribly limited and that is heartbreaking sometimes. I get very upset with the people who have a lot more options and choose the easiest but not necessarily best way.

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm so glad you have a great school, and how cool is it that he has relatives there!! That is a joy. I'm glad for your kids, Darcy. A private school wouldn't necessarily be better. You're right about that.My son's elementary school was fantastic. So was his preschool. The local junior high was so poorly run at the time. Such a mess. His teachers had lost control. They had given up. Did I want him to accept this as a pattern for life? Did I want him to think that his career would be like this: that he should have low expectations for other people's behavior? Was I going to tell him to suck it up and get used to it? Um, no "learned helplessness" allowed. I wanted him to grow up knowing that there are places where people care about what they're doing, and where people have high standards and expectations for excellent performance and excellent relationships, and that you can create those environments. You can plant those seeds wherever you go. You can do this if you have a healthy heart, mind and soul.I also wanted him to know that you don't leave your loved ones twisting in the wind.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 3:35 AM, Darcy Ledman <exercise.junkiegmail> wrote:

I have the exact thoughts as you . Why not give them the most and best if you can? Agree 100%. Sawyer, my oldest son is exceptionally smart. I was half-tempted to send him to a private school for that reason. However, his cousins go to the school where he's at, and it's also a great public school. Really great I used to work there before I quit to stay home with my boys. Anyway, I agree totally. There will be plenty of opportunity for them to experience the "real world", and they are still going to have their own tough experiences as well going to a different "sheltered school".Darcy

On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:26 PM, A. M. <plantpoweredgmail> wrote:

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home

school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for

our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as

my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that

was complimented by my Mother's tutelage.

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and

thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people

type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging

a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at

school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer,

martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not

;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!

a

>

> I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are

enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can

provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative

years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy

people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

>

August 8, 2009

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home

school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for

our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as

my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that

was complimented by my Mother's tutelage.

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and

thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people

type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging

a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at

school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer,

martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not

;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!

a

>

> I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are

enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can

provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative

years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy

people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

>

August 8, 2009

There are lots of ways to homeschool now. Some kids are naturally introverted and do fine this way. That's how it was for my son, and as a kid he thrived either in small groups, or by working alone. He has no trouble working with large groups now, BTW. He's 22 now.

Some kids are extroverted, and homeschool would be a difficult fit. They can excel in traditional schools. You'll have to wait to see what flavor of kid you end up with! You'll do the right thing.

On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM, a Frey <paulajfrey@...> wrote:

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our " family " . However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage.

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.

I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!

a

>

> I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

>

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August 8, 2009

Hi,

Chiming in again - I don't think a private school is necessarily "better" than a public school - there are good and bad examples of each type of school! A lot depends on the school and the kid.Donna

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

Hi,

Chiming in again - I don't think a private school is necessarily "better" than a public school - there are good and bad examples of each type of school! A lot depends on the school and the kid.Donna

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

Hi,

Chiming in again - I don't think a private school is necessarily "better" than a public school - there are good and bad examples of each type of school! A lot depends on the school and the kid.Donna

I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

August 8, 2009

What has helped my son is playing math games like Timez Attack. There is a free download version & a paying version that has more features. We never got the paying version. I don't have a website, but if you search on it you should find it. We also did online flash cards too (again, I don't have the website anymore). He liked those better than the real ones. Flash cards, electronic or paper are boring but they do work. Do just 5 or 10 minutes of it every day and he will get it eventually. The kids in my son's 5th grade class were all behind on this for some reason so the teacher assigned them all to use flash cards for at least 5 minutes every night. They also, later in the year, had timed tests each week, just math facts, and they'd get practice sheets to do each night. That helped too and I'm sure you can find things like that on the internet too. It is just a matter of practice, practice. I think seeing the equation written out is a lot easier than the multiplication chart too (it was for me and anyway). Good luck!!!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Donna M-P wrote:>When I think of the > way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the > tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here, > they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really > memorize those darned tables!hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see, the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well, even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while in a proper grade 4 class :(he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it. im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables. maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have any ideas that might help?:*carolyn.

August 8, 2009

What has helped my son is playing math games like Timez Attack. There is a free download version & a paying version that has more features. We never got the paying version. I don't have a website, but if you search on it you should find it. We also did online flash cards too (again, I don't have the website anymore). He liked those better than the real ones. Flash cards, electronic or paper are boring but they do work. Do just 5 or 10 minutes of it every day and he will get it eventually. The kids in my son's 5th grade class were all behind on this for some reason so the teacher assigned them all to use flash cards for at least 5 minutes every night. They also, later in the year, had timed tests each week, just math facts, and they'd get practice sheets to do each night. That helped too and I'm sure you can find things like that on the internet too. It is just a matter of practice, practice. I think seeing the equation written out is a lot easier than the multiplication chart too (it was for me and anyway). Good luck!!!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Donna M-P wrote:>When I think of the > way I learned multiplication in school it was memorization of the > tables, not an understanding of why 3X3 is 9. That came later. Here, > they seem to teach that first, and then there is no need to really > memorize those darned tables!hi donna - im having this problem with my 10 year old. you see, the public school skipped him over grade 3, which seems to be the grade that kids are learning times tables around here. (they put him into a split 3/4 class and the teacher just taught all of them grade 4 math... ugh!, long story... but ds didnt do so well, even after doing the grade 4 material again the next year while in a proper grade 4 class :(he really needs to know the times tables for grade 5 (he is going into a grade 4/5 split this year which should also help him, but still he should know this stuff already). the thing is, i never had luck memorizing the times tables when i was a kid and ive tried to get ds to memorize them, but he just cant seem to do it. im no teacher, especially when it comes to math, so im wondering what the best way is to teach him the times tables. maybe i should get 8 year old ds, who is going into grade 3 in september, to teach him.... LOL. no, seriously, do you have any ideas that might help?:*carolyn.

August 8, 2009

I considered home schooling but realized early on that my son and I, especially, do not do well together on things like this. I don't think my daughter and I do either. I take to an amazing tutor who is a retired teacher from our school and she even takes her son to a tutor because she can't teach him. She made me feel so much better when she told me that. The parent-child dynamics make it much more challenging. I applaud anyone who can successfully manage that dynamic and help their child excel. I am so thankful that, so far at least, we've had excellent school experiences with all the staff and so far, he's truly been in the best place for his needs. I'm looking forward to starting middle school with him next month, I hope it goes as well as elementary school did!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.>

August 8, 2009

I considered home schooling but realized early on that my son and I, especially, do not do well together on things like this. I don't think my daughter and I do either. I take to an amazing tutor who is a retired teacher from our school and she even takes her son to a tutor because she can't teach him. She made me feel so much better when she told me that. The parent-child dynamics make it much more challenging. I applaud anyone who can successfully manage that dynamic and help their child excel. I am so thankful that, so far at least, we've had excellent school experiences with all the staff and so far, he's truly been in the best place for his needs. I'm looking forward to starting middle school with him next month, I hope it goes as well as elementary school did!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.>

August 8, 2009

I considered home schooling but realized early on that my son and I, especially, do not do well together on things like this. I don't think my daughter and I do either. I take to an amazing tutor who is a retired teacher from our school and she even takes her son to a tutor because she can't teach him. She made me feel so much better when she told me that. The parent-child dynamics make it much more challenging. I applaud anyone who can successfully manage that dynamic and help their child excel. I am so thankful that, so far at least, we've had excellent school experiences with all the staff and so far, he's truly been in the best place for his needs. I'm looking forward to starting middle school with him next month, I hope it goes as well as elementary school did!

Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage. Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.>

August 8, 2009

I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know

(who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when

they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my

own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there

were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).

Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have

to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll

see when I get there.

We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a

good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids

learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school

curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role

model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)

a

> >

> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough

opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide

a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years,

they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people

just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

> >

>

August 8, 2009

I do worry about my teaching abilities. I don't want to be like some moms I know

(who shall not be named). They tended to tell their kids they were stupid when

they didn't get something right on the first try. A-hem! I aspire to be like my

own mother who made me hungry for books and look forward to math time (there

were M & Ms involved in my multiplication tables).

Just as a private school may not be better in one area than a public, you have

to analyze each child, each situation - each time. No one size fits all. I'll

see when I get there.

We are as a country falling behind in the area of education which is sad. But a

good portion of that responsibility lies with the parents who assume that kids

learn everything they should at school and don't compliment the school

curriculum with studies at home. A parent who values knowledge is the best role

model. Its nice to see so many folks on this board passionate about it. ;-)

a

> >

> > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough

opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from

others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide

a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years,

they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people

just fine if they grow up healthy and sane.

> >

>

August 8, 2009

paula wrote:

"I'm not a Mom yet, but should that day come (fingers crossed, I hope to home school. I'm not quite sure how I would do it, as I'm also the bread-winner for our "family". However, in the minimum I would tutor for several hours a day as my mother did with me. I was blessed to have received a wonderful education that was complimented by my Mother's tutelage."

u are very lucky to have a well educated mom. who could teach u so much. my mom has the education of a 6th grader, and she had to wrk from dawn to after midnight some nights. i raised my brther and sister. so she could do those things for m. and i not saying this to get o poor u's i say it because like nacy has said not all parents can give their children the extra educational help their children need. luckily for my son i am well educated i work in his school i can asssist him and we spend many hours a day even on vacation learning.

the government has decided kids could memoreize faster then learn. yep that's the case it's faster this way, if they canmemorize thse fast then we can push them on to the next level and before u know it are kids are doing algrbra in 3rd grade. and yea that is exactly where i see things head, i do not agree with it but in my 5 years with just on district this is what i have learned. the kids in my school start cursive writing in 1st grade, and multiplication in 2nd. constitution studys begin in 3rd, 5th and 6th are doing algebra. everygrade in our school switches for classes even early childhood and care, k-6 all switch for math, science, history, and reading. i COMPLETELY DISAGREE with this but i feel these kids are too young for this but our score have gone up so who am i to complain. back to the point (SO SORRY i do that,)

paula wrote:

"...to see people type online like they are texting with an old school phone..." sorry i'm slow tonight spend the enitre day walkingthe fair, ugh, and i don't follow what ur saying.

paula wrote:

"I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater."

in our school it irks me cuz they are like never allowed to talk, in the hallways we use a method call "procedure". every child in the school even EC and CARE have to walk mouthed closed one hand holding the other behind their back, faces forward, in a STRAIGHT line. if they are carrying things its held in the front close to the chest both hand holding boks and what. if the rule is broken there is NO warning they are gien what ever punishment the teacher uses and depending on how many times the rule is broken.. bodily contact is forbidden. we have no fights, kids smaking e other, tearing things in the halls the teachers display, books and boxes are not knocked out of hand. it has nearly deminished all hallway issues bt they are forced to walk like little soldiers, they are not allowed talk time in class at lunch only 15 minutes at recess 15 mins. would u like to be forbdden to talk but 15 mins a day. this policy is being adopted by many schools,

more then 100 schools from all ove te country have visited our school to se how it works among other policies and pograms we have in place.i have to say i disagree with u there because outr school and others do not allow much socializing. AND i make LESS then 13,000$ a year teaching. that money is for a family of four my husband cannot work b ut is not elegible for workmans comp or disability or social security. so i do it all there is NO extra money at all none we cannot play sports, we have NEVER been on a vacation, we couldn't evengo camping buecause we couldn't affored 30$ a day camping fees. we went to the fair because my dad got a summer bonus and sent us 100$ totake Jordon to have some fun before school starts. i do not paly for field trips b\c the princial (my boss) knws i cannot afford it and she pays she also has bought his school pictures for us a number of times and not just other

parents too. do u know what it feels like to tell ur child year after year no honey i'mm sorry there will be no new school clothed this year. no honey u can't play soccer this year either, sorry honey we can't go to the movies i do and it HURTS. so no not all children have oppertunities to socialize, around here they all cost money.

i know it sounds like i am against u all but i not really i am not i love u all u all have been great friends, and maybe i am taking this a little too hard to heart i do that to. i agree with u that in all ur situations and honestly in all of homeschool\private school families i know it seems to be best but it's not b\c the public school is bad or the kids are bullys but b\c there is more learning going on more one on one. i wish i could afford to plae jordon somewhere else but that's not realistic not to mention i have a great support group of teachers that are willing to help any child in our district. my message is it's important to remember public school are public school for a reason 73-87% of the families in a city are on soem kind of state assistance which means our public schools are LOW funded (in fact we lose care and ec next year they had to get a grant to keep it open one more year.) not all public schools are

bad, not all kids brought up in public schools are bad. we can succeed too.

i am not mad and i hope no one else is either i amin no ways trying to piss anyone of i am just asking u all to remember that not ALL public school and ps attenders are bad most of us really strive to be the best and succeed. yes there is bad but there is good too. Trisha

From: a Frey <paulajfrey@...> Sent: Saturday, August 8, 2009 4:52:30 PMSubject: Re: Jen OT: Quaker Schools

Parents these days have gotten lazy, school administrators have gotten lazy and thus kids have gotten lazy. I can't tell you how it irks me so. I think challenging a child's mind and daring them to excel is more important than socialization at school. There are so many other activities where kids can socialize ie. soccer, martial arts, community theater.I could go on a tirade about community involvement in schools, but I best not ;-) Plus, I'm still on a lot of pain killers!a> > > I have a different take on this. I personally feel that there are enough opportunities in life for kids and adults to experience bad behavior from others. There are ENDLESS opportunites for that. No shortage. If you can provide a healthier environment for your children while in their formative years, they'll be fine when they're older. They'll be able to cope with crappy people just fine if they grow up healthy and

sane.>

August 8, 2009