Zinc

[Guest guest]

the citrate is most likely feeding yeast.

$6 for a bottle of 120 tablet source naturals copper sebacate, try

say 1/8 of a tablet, i noticed an improveemnt in about four hours

yeah julie of germany and one other i think posted but she hasn't

posted recently. that thread got me thinking too.

probably trying copper is the only way to tell, if a kid was high

copper and reacted unfavourbly THAT tells you a lot too, zinc and

molybdenum need to bring down the un-bioavailiable copper so you can

step in with the bioavailiable copper sebacate at some point.

copper is essential for the immune system after a while you cna see

the difference with things like yeast as well as viral immunity.

no doubt in a year or so it will beome acceptable after dan put it on

thier bandwagon.

> > it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed

> > without good results or were a disaster,

>

> Now brand zinc picolinate was a disaster. I also tried upping the

> minerals portion of our Spectrum II to increase the zinc -- YIKES.

> Pfeiffer thought he was responding badly to the MSM, though he does

> very well on the lower dose. There was one more type of zinc but

I'm

> spacing now.

>

> i'm not that keen on the

> > liquizinc becuse of the citrate in it

>

> Yes, I remember now -- you think it feeds yeast? You might

remember

> I checked with Terri about this on this board awhile back. She

said

> they're not finding that, but I've been watching closely since I

> started the LiquiZinc for signs of yeast.

>

> > http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html

> >

> > i suspect that high copper kids actually have copper in the wrong

> > form.

>

> Did you follow a chain on abmd awhile back -- someone posting their

> own thoughts that what looked like high copper was actually low

> copper. I know I'm butchering that but it's always stayed in the

> back of my mind as we monitor progress on the zinc...

[Guest guest]

I used the Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc and their Minerals Only

with good results. Also the TwinLabs brand Zinc caps which are zinc

gluconate and picolate (sp?). For my older son it helped with his

constant chewing (the chewies). My kids may not be as sensitive to

zinc brands as others. We have never had yeast problems.

You might want to ask Brainchilds what the difference is. They are

usually good about saying if another brand has an advantage over

theirs. It might be a certain form is used for a certain reason.

Doesn't Brainchild's have trial sizes? Maybe the other company does

too.

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[Guest guest]

Excellent. Thanks much.

Re: Zinc

> Hi ,

>

> We trialed several zincs as well -- they were disastrous -- but have

> had marvelous results with the LiquiZinc. Sorry, we've never tried

> the WaterOz. I think andrew likes it? Maybe he'll post.

>

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> > Before we begin WaterOz, was wondering what the general consensus

> was with regards to WaterOz vs. Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc?

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[Guest guest]

Thank you much.

Re: Zinc

> I used the Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc and their Minerals Only

> with good results. Also the TwinLabs brand Zinc caps which are zinc

> gluconate and picolate (sp?). For my older son it helped with his

> constant chewing (the chewies). My kids may not be as sensitive to

> zinc brands as others. We have never had yeast problems.

>

> You might want to ask Brainchilds what the difference is. They are

> usually good about saying if another brand has an advantage over

> theirs. It might be a certain form is used for a certain reason.

> Doesn't Brainchild's have trial sizes? Maybe the other company does

> too.

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[Guest guest]

source naturals optizinc and be careful at some point you will need

copper

'minerals i take on'

http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html

> Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see most

> use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split them

> with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is the

> best to look for..

> Thanks for your help

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I dont see the zinc on this list..how much should be

taken? and where do I find the source natural optizinc..What about

eh copper..

Thanks

-- In , " andrew " <alevin@i...> wrote:

>

>

> source naturals optizinc and be careful at some point you will

need

> copper

>

>

> 'minerals i take on'

>

> http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html

>

>

> > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see

most

> > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split

them

> > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is the

> > best to look for..

> > Thanks for your help

> >

[Guest guest]

that list is an index, 'minerals i take' in that index has the

minerals in

i use betterlife.com in la because it is closest to me but other

internet retailers or hfs may suit.........

the amount taken depends on weight, how much is the weight?.

source naturals do a good copper 'copepr sebacate' in pill form too

but you really need to read that page to understand the issues.

> > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see

> most

> > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split

> them

> > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is

the

> > > best to look for..

> > > Thanks for your help

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi ok thanks Ill check it out..I guess I just missed it..

she weighs 65 pds..

julie

> > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see

> > most

> > > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split

> > them

> > > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is

> the

> > > > best to look for..

> > > > Thanks for your help

> > > >

[Guest guest]

well i take 1/4 of a tablet of the source naturals optizinc about 1/2

an hour after a meal and between two and three 1/4s a day

so at half the weight she would be 1/8th of a tablet i think

i can't rave on enough about how optizinc and the copper sebacate

work together for overall immune resistance esp the copper sebacate

as a fantastic anti viral. am taking a 1/4 tablets of copper sebacate

twice or even three times a day, seems ok or even preferred on an

emptyish stoamch.

> > > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I

see

> > > most

> > > > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I

split

> > > them

> > > > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which

is

> > the

> > > > > best to look for..

> > > > > Thanks for your help

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

> > it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed

> > without good results or were a disaster,

>

> Now brand zinc picolinate was a disaster. I also tried upping the

> minerals portion of our Spectrum II to increase the zinc -- YIKES.

What happened with the Brainchild minerals?

My son tolerates very well sup in general but reacted very strongly

to the Brainchild minerals (rash on his body, stomachache..).

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

melmeighen@... writes:

> Well, he basically went psycho.

n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a

miniscule dose.

Nell

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:47:38 AM Eastern Standard Time,

terri@... writes:

> turns out it was the MSM in the regular

> minerals causing the reaction

Thanks, Terri, I wondered about that. I do give him NAC sometimes with no

trouble, so it's not the extra sulfur.

This week he's not tolerating something in his supps. So I'm going to start

from scratch, one by one. I think for n any kind of multi is just doomed.

(Yes, , I heard you....)

Nel

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

> What happened with the Brainchild minerals?

> My son tolerates very well sup in general but reacted very strongly

> to the Brainchild minerals (rash on his body, stomachache..).

> Thanks,

>

Well, he basically went psycho. Crying over TV shows (like

the tank engine getting in a crash -- which, if you've ever seen

, he does about five times per show), absolutely screaming and

losing it if the tiniest thing didn't go his way, asking for one

thing, then when we brought it, screaming for something completely

different, etc. etc. Nothing physical like rashes or stomachache

that I could see, just extreme behavioral issues. Which was also

what happened when we trialed additional TwinLabs B6. And Zyme

Prime. And zinc picolinate. It seems to be his standard reaction to

supps he can't tolerate.

[Guest guest]

Wow, this is pretty interesting to me. If all of you are describing

reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of

surprised. Usually this is the one of our products that the large majority

kids tolerate really well. I can only think of one other customer I've

talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. You all

might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way, because

for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the regular

minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on Ultra

Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas.

Terri at Brainchild

At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

>melmeighen@... writes:

>

> > Well, he basically went psycho.

>

>n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a

>miniscule dose.

>

>Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know why? It's funny, because does wonderfully on one

tsp. of the Spectrum II Minerals, but when I tried to increase it

(for his weight he could be at 1-1/2 tsp. now) he just didn't do

well. Pfeiffer thought it might be the MSM, but obviously what's in

that one tsp. is working for him.

> In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> melmeighen@y... writes:

>

> > Well, he basically went psycho.

>

> n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with

a

> miniscule dose.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh hi Terri, I just responded to Nell. That's interesting you note

the MSM in the other case. As I said in my post, that's what

Pfeiffer suggested as well. For safety's sake I'm going to review

the ingredients in the Ultra Sensitive Minerals, but I hate to change

what seems to be working since does so well on the one tsp.

of minerals. He's doing great on the vitamin portion, and we're just

now starting to slowly increase that dose. Thanks for your feedback.

> >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> >melmeighen@y... writes:

> >

> > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> >

> >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started

with a

> >miniscule dose.

> >

> >Nell

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc

by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, and the

flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So I think

I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. My child

is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say some

prayers for us.

Re: Re: Zinc

> In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> melmeighen@... writes:

>

> > Well, he basically went psycho.

>

> n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a

> miniscule dose.

>

> Nell

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

What does MSM stand for again?

Re: Re: Zinc

> Wow, this is pretty interesting to me. If all of you are describing

> reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of

> surprised. Usually this is the one of our products that the large

majority

> kids tolerate really well. I can only think of one other customer I've

> talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. You all

> might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way, because

> for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the

regular

> minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on Ultra

> Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas.

>

> Terri at Brainchild

>

>

> At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:

> >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> >melmeighen@... writes:

> >

> > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> >

> >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a

> >miniscule dose.

> >

> >Nell

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Methyl sulfonyl methane

On Wednesday, June 23, 2004, at 02:45 PM, Mattson wrote:

> What does MSM stand for again?

> Re: Re: Zinc

>

>

> > Wow, this is pretty interesting to me.  If all of you are describing

> > reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of

> > surprised.  Usually this is the one of our products that the large

> majority

> > kids tolerate really well.  I can only think of one other customer

> I've

> > talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. 

> You all

> > might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way,

> because

> > for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the

> regular

> > minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on

> Ultra

> > Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas.

> >

> > Terri at Brainchild

> >

> >

> > At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote:

> > >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > >melmeighen@... writes:

> > >

> > > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> > >

> > >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with

> a

> > >miniscule dose.

> > >

> > >Nell

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Good luck . I hope he does well.

> Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild

liquizinc

> by UPS today.

[Guest guest]

,

Start at a low dose, with food. Once you know he's tolerating it well, you

can increase dose and/or try on an empty stomach for optimum

absorption. Zinc on empty stomach nauseates some kids. You probably know

all of this, but I saw your post, so thought I'd mention it.

Terri at Brainchild

fingers crossed for you

At 02:44 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc

>by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, and the

>flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So I think

>I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. My child

>is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say some

>prayers for us.

> Re: Re: Zinc

>

>

> > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > melmeighen@... writes:

> >

> > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> >

> > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a

> > miniscule dose.

> >

> > Nell

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

terri imo zinc needs supplementing with copper preferably copper

sebacate at some point,

there is a good scource naturals copper sebacate and it would make

sesn for brainchild to advise customers that copper supplementation

may be needed with long or even short term use with its zinc formulas.

i think it makes sense to keep copper out of the formulas as

brianchild has done but it needs adding in at some point and copper

sebacate seems to work well. copper oxide is not acceptable as it

very reactive.

> >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild

liquizinc

> >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast,

and the

> >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So

I think

> >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning.

My child

> >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say

some

> >prayers for us.

> > Re: Re: Zinc

> >

> >

> > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > melmeighen@y... writes:

> > >

> > > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> > >

> > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started

with a

> > > miniscule dose.

> > >

> > > Nell

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

, I think you'd find many in the autism biomedical community who

would disagree with you about needing to supplement copper in these kids,

or say that it was a very rare exception, because so many of them are high

in copper to start with and have such problems with metal metabolism. How

do you propose figuring out when a child with autism would need copper

supplementation?

Terri

At 02:54 AM 6/24/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>terri imo zinc needs supplementing with copper preferably copper

>sebacate at some point,

>

>there is a good scource naturals copper sebacate and it would make

>sesn for brainchild to advise customers that copper supplementation

>may be needed with long or even short term use with its zinc formulas.

>

>i think it makes sense to keep copper out of the formulas as

>brianchild has done but it needs adding in at some point and copper

>sebacate seems to work well. copper oxide is not acceptable as it

>very reactive.

>

>

> > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild

>liquizinc

> > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast,

>and the

> > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So

>I think

> > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning.

>My child

> > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say

>some

> > >prayers for us.

> > > Re: Re: Zinc

> > >

> > >

> > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > > melmeighen@y... writes:

> > > >

> > > > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> > > >

> > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started

>with a

> > > > miniscule dose.

> > > >

> > > > Nell

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

i don't care a fig for the autism biomedical community

> > > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the

Brainchild

> >liquizinc

> > > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out

fast,

> >and the

> > > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription

correct. So

> >I think

> > > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow

morning.

> >My child

> > > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them.

Say

> >some

> > > >prayers for us.

> > > > Re: Re: Zinc

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard

Time,

> > > > > melmeighen@y... writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> > > > >

> > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I

started

> >with a

> > > > > miniscule dose.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nell

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

,

Yeah, fine, we think for ourselves, too, I don't care about your

figs. What I was actually saying to you is that my test data on my own son

and I believe on many others, is that, despite 8 years of taking tons of

zinc and no copper, he still shows high in copper and kind of low in

zinc. So tell me, how would I determine whether this kid or any other kid

with autism needs copper supplementation?

Terri

At 03:49 AM 6/24/2004 +0000, you wrote:

>i don't care a fig for the autism biomedical community

>

>

>

>

> > > > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the

>Brainchild

> > >liquizinc

> > > > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out

>fast,

> > >and the

> > > > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription

>correct. So

> > >I think

> > > > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow

>morning.

> > >My child

> > > > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them.

>Say

> > >some

> > > > >prayers for us.

> > > > > Re: Re: Zinc

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard

>Time,

> > > > > > melmeighen@y... writes:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I

>started

> > >with a

> > > > > > miniscule dose.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nell

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >