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now brand zinc picolinate is the capsule and zinc picolinate and

rice flour only. they don't say what the capsule is, i have been

taking it, it appears to be ok so far.

> Can anyone refer me to a good zinc supplement without any additives

etc.?

>

> Thank you,

> Michele

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should mention i find the rice fillers fairely indigestible so i tip

the contents out of the capsule into my mouth to mix it with the

starch splitting amylase in silvia

> > Can anyone refer me to a good zinc supplement without any

additives

> etc.?

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Michele

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If it doesn't specifically say vegicaps then it's gelatin (cow toenails)

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[mailto: alevin@...] @...: Sat, 04

Jan 2003 23:08:26 -0000Subject: [ ] Re: Zincnow brand zinc

picolinate is the capsule and zinc picolinate andrice flour only. they don't say

what the capsule is, i have been taking it, it appears to be ok so far.

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I always open the capsules & mix in liquid with other supps.

Thanks,

Michele

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alevin@... writes:

<<

should mention i find the rice fillers fairely indigestible so i tip

the contents out of the capsule into my mouth to mix it with the

starch splitting amylase in silvia

>>

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Hi Barbara,

I'm not very good with supplement questions, but it looks like

no one answered this, so I'll give it a shot.

> would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has:

> vit. A 333iu

> vit. C 33mg

> elemental zinc 5mg

> slippery elm 5mg

> could this cause sleep problems?

--um--there is not a reason I know of that it would. but that

doesn't mean it couldn't, for someone, or for some reason I

don't know of. Andy recommends zinc and C 4 times a day.

(Also magnesium and milk thistle and B's 4 times a day.)

> I have not started cleating yet (

waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit.

w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals.. also is their anything

else I can do to prep his body for cleation?

I don't know what's in SNT and your multi.

vitamin E, mixed carotenes, vitamin A, and B vitamins are

recommended by Andy. (some may be already covered?)

Also milk thistle, good for liver, 4 times a day. (unlikely to

be in any multi-vitamin product)

>

> Would flax oil be beneficial during cleation?

yes, and before too. mercury and other stresses will use up

EFAs (which is what flax oil provides) and B's and probably lots

of other nutrients. You can give the flax oil once a day or

less often.

> I am scared about this but I know this is my last resort. I have

been all over the posts and andy's site but nothing directly addressed

this, that I found anyways..

if you want to read more about supplements you can go here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

and look at the section on supplements and food.

best wishes,

Moria

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[ ] Re: zinc

Hi Barbara,

I'm not very good with supplement questions, but it looks like

no one answered this, so I'll give it a shot.

> would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has:

> vit. A 333iu

> vit. C 33mg

> elemental zinc 5mg

> slippery elm 5mg

> could this cause sleep problems?

--um--there is not a reason I know of that it would. but that

doesn't mean it couldn't, for someone, or for some reason I

don't know of. Andy recommends zinc and C 4 times a day.

(Also magnesium and milk thistle and B's 4 times a day.)

> I have not started cleating yet (

waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit.

w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals.. also is their anything

else I can do to prep his body for cleation?

I don't know what's in SNT and your multi.

vitamin E, mixed carotenes, vitamin A, and B vitamins are

recommended by Andy. (some may be already covered?)

Also milk thistle, good for liver, 4 times a day. (unlikely to

be in any multi-vitamin product)

>

> Would flax oil be beneficial during cleation?

yes, and before too. mercury and other stresses will use up

EFAs (which is what flax oil provides) and B's and probably lots

of other nutrients. You can give the flax oil once a day or

less often.

> I am scared about this but I know this is my last resort. I have

been all over the posts and andy's site but nothing directly addressed

this, that I found anyways..

if you want to read more about supplements you can go here:

/files/ANDY_INDEX

and look at the section on supplements and food.

best wishes,

Moria

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In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:04:03 AM Central Standard Time,

aprokofiew@... writes:

> Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> amount of zinc.

>

>

> >>

> this is Jon, anyone know why???

>

My son is like this. One possible reason might be that his copper, in ratio

to his zinc, was high. I have been giving him transdermal zinc for several

months, and he is now able to get 7.5 mg zinc orally and about 10 mg zinc

transdermally just about every day. If he starts getting hyper, usually if I

stop the transdermal zinc for a day or two then he's OK again. Overall he

seems better about zinc now, though I'm never going to try for the high

amounts of zinc that some people are able to use. I'm guessing that maybe his

copper level is more normal now and that's why he can handle more zinc, but

honestly, this is all just a guess on my part. I really don't know.

Debbie

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--- In , barb and tode <bvan227@c...>

wrote:

> would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has:

> vit. A 333iu

> vit. C 33mg

> elemental zinc 5mg

> slippery elm 5mg

> could this cause sleep problems?

Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

amount of zinc.

>> I have not started cleating yet (

waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit.

w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals..

All of these things can cause sleep problems for many children,

especially the SNT

http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm

Dana

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> Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> amount of zinc.

> >>

> this is Jon, anyone know why???

Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so

more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is

hyperthyroid.... problems.

Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the

connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc

you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not

sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc

and B6.

Valentina

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Also I have read that zinc's flushing effect on copper can cause

behavioural problems if kids with high copper levels get too much

flushed out too fast. Getting excess copper out is good, but it can

cause irritability and behavioural problems. If you suspect this is

happening could be a sign you should cut back zinc and molybdenum a

little until things settle down.

--- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...>

wrote:

> > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> > amount of zinc.

> > >>

> > this is Jon, anyone know why???

>

> Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid

action, so

> more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is

> hyperthyroid.... problems.

>

> Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure

what's the

> connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to

supplement zinc

> you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I

am not

> sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection

between zinc

> and B6.

>

>

> Valentina

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thats interesting about zinc and b6

i though it was higher copper that got dumped when zinc was used that

made for kids going wild

i am a tad hyperthyroid and zinc if anything makes for slower.

--- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...>

wrote:

> > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> > amount of zinc.

> > >>

> > this is Jon, anyone know why???

>

> Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid

action, so

> more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is

> hyperthyroid.... problems.

>

> Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure

what's the

> connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to

supplement zinc

> you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I

am not

> sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection

between zinc

> and B6.

>

>

> Valentina

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I'm not 100% on this, but I think she was refering to the fact that high levels

of zinc have been known to remove copper, now it is a metal but it is needed in

the body..I have been giving my son liquid chlorophyll which is Sodium copper

chlorophyllin, which I hope is leveling him off, I don't give too much extra

zinc, but since I know he is absorbing very little due to toxisity. I do think

this is working for us at the moment. I havn't seen any wild behavior yet. When

I do I'll take that as a sign to stop the extra zinc.

Thanks for all the input from everyone.

Always appreciated! Highly!!!!!

Barbara

Re: [ ] Re: zinc

In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:04:03 AM Central Standard Time,

aprokofiew@... writes:

> Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> amount of zinc.

>

>

> >>

> this is Jon, anyone know why???

>

My son is like this. One possible reason might be that his copper, in ratio

to his zinc, was high. I have been giving him transdermal zinc for several

months, and he is now able to get 7.5 mg zinc orally and about 10 mg zinc

transdermally just about every day. If he starts getting hyper, usually if I

stop the transdermal zinc for a day or two then he's OK again. Overall he

seems better about zinc now, though I'm never going to try for the high

amounts of zinc that some people are able to use. I'm guessing that maybe his

copper level is more normal now and that's why he can handle more zinc, but

honestly, this is all just a guess on my part. I really don't know.

Debbie

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It says here " Low levels of B6 have been found to reduce zinc absorption "

Barbara

Re: [ ] Re: zinc

> Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small

> amount of zinc.

> >>

> this is Jon, anyone know why???

Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so

more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is

hyperthyroid.... problems.

Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the

connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc

you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not

sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc

and B6.

Valentina

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speaking of , haven't seen any posts from him lately. How goes the

battle, ?

Also, about the vitamin A palmitate, spelled wrong I " m sure, I notice

this in Olivia's rice milk. Is it bad for everyone?

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I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then someone posted

how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel free to

comment on this, as I still don't know) so advised on one of the Kirkman

products that does not have C with the Zinc....

marti

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hey, I might be wrong! Anyway, Kirkman does give one without the C in it.

I still don't know exactly if given separate is important. Someone told me so

but I didn't look it up !!!!

Marti

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you have to give the C separate from the Zinc

GOod grief lol. If I had already read that tidbit I'd forgotten. How

do we ever get all these supplements in and apart? lol. NOw I know

why some people are up in the middle of the night giving supplements

(and I don't mean chelation!) Jeez!! Thanks for the tip-glad I

haven't ordered anything yet!

---

In , Martharolfe@a... wrote:

> I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then

someone posted

> how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel

free to

> comment on this, as I still don't know) so advised on one of the

Kirkman

> products that does not have C with the Zinc....

> marti

>

>

>

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> I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then

someone posted

> how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel free

to

> comment on this, as I still don't know)

I give vitamin C in the same supplement as zinc and cal/mag. I have

never had a problem giving it this way, and I see the benefits of

both, so I don't know that it would be *required* to give them

separately. This is just my family's experience tho.

Dana

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--- In , " nz_mummy " <chrissiburg@h...>

wrote:

> My son has been on Metagenics Zinc Drink for over a year. He began

> on one ml per day and now takes 2mls/day. 1ml contains 50 mg of

zinc

> sulphate and 11.25mgs of equiv. elemental zinc.

> His latest zinc/copper test showed copper at 19.3umol/L and zinc

ar

> 10.9 umol/L.

> I am not entirely sure what this means or what we are aiming for.

> Can anyone enlighten me?

> Also do you think 2 mls/per day is an adequate dosage or should I

> increase? (2mls=100mg of zinc sulphate and 22.5mg elemental zinc).

>

> Thanks,

> Chris

Hello this is my attempt to keep your question alive so some

can answer it. I have been learning alot about zinc myself I

beleave it is the key in this whole problem we call Autism or

mercury poisioning. I saw Walsh PhD talk at the end of

March and he explained about the function of Metallothionein(MT) and

its deficiency. MT is driven by zinc - Walsh like Zinc Picolinate

the best and he has come up with a MT promotion I listed the items

in this in a post several weeks ago #79228 - my son is really doing

well now that I am supplementing all the amino acids and other

supplements to prmote the MT function ( I also had been

supplementing zinc for a long time) your son might bennifet from

this too. MY 2 cents Ann

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I am NOT the expert. Also, I dont know if you are giving him ALA or

something that would increase his tendency to retain copper. I ran across

something that said that zinc sulphate was not as easily absorbed as, say,

zinc picolinate. But if you use the latter, be careful not to give too much

because it is VERy absorbable according to this one source. Willis Langford

reported a mother who could not get her child's zinc levels up until she

used the zinc from wateroz. So there may be something about the dosage/the

type/the source/the size to think about.

marti

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zinc methionine and zinc picolinate are the best ways to get zinc up,

but i don't think you can continue with zinc picolinate too long

because it preserves harmful vlcf'as or something like that.

but zinc picloinate is brilliant for loading zinc to the brain

zinc is synergistic with selenium and iodine so you need to look at

those minerals as well.

> Dear Friends

> We have been striving to get my son's zinc levels up exclusively

using

> Kirkman's zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate). He gets 4.5 tsp a

day

> which is enough raspberry flavoring to gag a maggot. I'm wondering

what

> balance between one or all of the following is the best, in general:

>

> 1. Zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate)

> 2. Zinc sulfate cream (Kirkman's)

> 3. Zinc picrolate (Pfeiffer build up to MT Promoter)

>

> Thanks for letting me borrow your collective brains.

> God Bless!

>

>

> S. Hooker, Ph.D., P.E.

> Staff Engineer

> Pacific Northwest National Laboratory

> MSIN K6-96

> 902 Battelle Blvd.

> Richland, WA 99352

> Ph. (509) 376-4451

> Fx. (509) 372-1704

> Mo. (509) 366-2269

> Email: brian.hooker@p...

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>

>

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, I don't like the sorbitol and all the other junk in Kirkman's zinc.

It may be useful for it's useful ingredients, however. Picolinate

apparently makes it harder to burn very long chain fatty acids --

Levin posted this but I don't have a source. So maybe you have to check out

his fatty acid status if you want to use it longer term. Zinc sulphate is

not hugely absorbable but someone else might know about the cream.

I have zinc citrate and zinc sulphate from Elyte.

Some people have said that only the wateroz zinc got rid of the problem of

high copper in their child.

marti

In a message dated 2/5/03 11:07:18 pm, brian.hooker@... writes:

> Dear Friends

> We have been striving to get my son's zinc levels up exclusively using

> Kirkman's zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate).  He gets 4.5 tsp a day

> which is enough raspberry flavoring to gag a maggot.  I'm wondering what

> balance between one or all of the following is the best, in general:

>

> 1. Zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate)

> 2. Zinc sulfate cream (Kirkman's)

> 3. Zinc picrolate (Pfeiffer build up to MT Promoter)

>

> Thanks for letting me borrow your collective brains.

> God Bless!

>

>

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