Newbie

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the note of encouragement . I love your blog and

have learned so much from you. I did manage to continue to drink a

gallon of water a day and work out six days a week, (although it is

not the intensity it should be) since my last challenge two years

ago. The eating thing was nowhere near BFL though! Hence, a new

challenge! Here's to smaller thighs in '05!!

> Hi ,

>

> Nice abs! You're going to have a great transformation. Can't wait

to see the after pics.

>

>

>

> Newbie

>

>

>

>

> Newbie here. Well, I should say newbie posting. I have been

lurking

> for a couple of years now and actually did a 12 week challenge in

> 2002 with nice results. I am so mad that I didn't take any

pictures.

> Anyhow,I slipped back to old ways and I am now ready to start

again.

> This time with pictures. They are located in the file labeled

> /before.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the welcome! I just checked out your pics.........what a

great challenge you had! Nice progress. What kind of inch/weight

loss (excuse me, body fat loss) did you have? Wow, very inspiring!

Are you doing a second challenge now?

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Nice abs! You're going to have a great transformation. Can't wait

> to see the after pics.

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ang,

Nice to meet you too! I hope you will jump right in and share your life with us, and we will share ours with you for our mutual support and edification.

I really enjoyed the things your wrote below, and agree with them. Amen!

Carolyn in Oregon

Newbie

HI! I'm Ang, and am new to the group...kinda...I'm a single mom to a 2 yr old with autism. He has his days..tantrums, rage, but has other days of smiles and happy times.. Nice to meet you all...AngFaith sees the invisible, believes the unbelievable, and receives the impossible. - Corrie Ten Boom Faith's role is to grasp that which appears impossible or strange to human eyes. - MurrayI believe in Christianity as I believe in the sun- not only because I see it, but because by it I see everything else.- C. S. Some never get started on their destiny course because they cannot humble themselves to learn, grow, and change. - Cast Treat

[Guest guest]

She certainly sounds autistic to me! She may be HFA/AS like my son, in

fact (his original dx was AtypicalPDD). It sounds like she needs

either quiet time or a physical outlet after school. Have you thought

about running? Not away...we all think about that from time to time.

I mean running on a track or in a park. It might be a good thing for

her, to help drain some of that stress she's brought home from school.

If she destroys her room, a good thing to do is to leave it that way.

Eventually she will discover that sleeping and finding her things is not

going to be as easy as it was, and then you can " assist " her in putting

her room back together....but she chooses where everything goes.

Another thing is, when our kids melt down (not a tantrum), it's not

personal. They can't help themselves, nine times out of ten. It will

help you and your other kids to remember this, and remember too that

when she threatens you she likely doesn't mean that either. Our kids

have real problems dealing with strong emotions and with stress, and

they tend to go over the top when they try...especially with using

things they may have heard on TV or from typical kids squabbling at

school. It takes lots of work with a behavioral therapist to break

through some of these behaviors, and a lot of the work is involved in

redirecting the kid till the kid can redirect him/herself.

I hope some little bit of this helps you. I know what it feels like to

be where you are, believe me.

BTW, by way of introduction:

I'm Annie in Albuquerque, where Bugs Bunny takes the wrong turn. I'm

married to Ron (World's Greatest Dad) for 30 years this December. Our

kids are Kris, 35, adult dx ADHD, trains credit card bonus workers in

Washington state; and Louie, 24, HFA/AS, assistant church sexton here in

town, and in assisted living for going on 4 years (this March) contrary

to the predictions of his original diagnosing drs. Glad to meetcha!

Annie, who loves ya annie@...

--

If I am like others, who will be like me? -- Yiddish Proverb

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes the psychologist wanted to rule out both AS and bi-polar but he

and all of her Mobile Therapists felt that she really shows signs of

AS. And they tried to tell me that the moods last longer with

bipolar, more towards days rather than minutes and hours.

We tried to go w/o meds and there was no living with her. So this is

the regiment we are on. Basically our dr said that we are out of

options with her meds. We saw him Friday and he kept them the same.

And the dog is getting very aggressive because of how she is

treating it. I have 3 other kids that love to play with her but

don't like the aggression she shows them.

Her diet is hard to control. She only eats a few things: Pepperoni,

PB & J, white rice, pork steak, pizza (only take out),cheerios, hot

fudge sundae poptarts, chicken nuggets and french fries (only from

McD, BK, or s')and lots of milk. So I'm afraid to modify what

lil she eats.

Thanks

> Well I can certainly see where as would come in. Have they

considered bipolar at all as well? I ask because I think that tends

to have a greater rage factor with it? Someone else here will know

for sure.

>

> That does seem like ALOT of medication. Do the medications improve

anything? I am wondering if perhaps the meds just aren't doing what

they should and perhaps she needs to be on something different??

>

> I think it is great that she has a dog! I see total differences in

my son when he can be around Grandma's doggies. I wouldn't worry

about the licking...sure it is gross but I don't think that it will

hurt her at all. And as far as being rough with the dog, if the dog

isn't complaining it is probably just fine unless she is hitting or

kicking the dog to be mean. I think wrestling with the dog is fine

if it helps her get that need out of her system. And I am glad to

hear she is already getting sensory therapy. Is she on an official

sensory diet (a very strict routine of sensory therapies)?

>

> You could try some of the diet type therapies, like the GFCF or

Feingold diet. I have heard with alot of kids with ODD-like symptoms

that perservatives and food dyes in particular are major

contributors to negative behavior. Now how to amend the diet of a

picky 8 yo, I don't know.

>

> I would recommend reading " The Explosive Child " by Ross Greene

Ph.D. I was skepticle at first but now would consider it to be quite

brilliant!

>

> Good luck with the nuerology appt. You have come to a great place.

The people here are full of informatioN!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti

After my dd has the outburst with her eyes glazed, she has no

remorse. She simply does not understand what she has done. We try to

explain it to her and sometimes she will say something about being

sorry, but its like its programmed.. She knows thats what we want to

hear.

I am so glad to hear your son has a gf. I can't wait to see my dd

have more friends and maybe a boyfriend that can understand her. I

was sooo happy this weekend when she was actually invited by a

schoolmate to go bowling. A very first!! She was so excited since

bowling is a thing she enjoys. And my dd is the opposite.. wants no

real attachment to me or dad. We know she loves us but her

attachment previously was for grandma. Now that we have the dog, its

for her. She can't even spend the night at grandma's w/o calling 5

or 5x and then wanting to come home asap.

With drugs, the only drug we had MAJOR problems with was ritalin.

Made her hallucinate and have bad dreams. She's been on a few others

that made her a zombie and we took her off those.

> Your daughter sounds just like my 9 year old daughter and 15 yr

old son rolled in to one. My 9 year old is dx-autistic/ADHD, my 15

yr old has been diagnosed ADHD for years and just last year

Aspergers. When you talk about the glazed over eyes, my son has

done that since he was 9 mo. old. Ican't ever get anyone to

understand that " look " that he gets in his eyes. We call it

the " Damien " look from the Omen movies. He is somewhere else when

he gets that look. And afterwards will be so sorry for all the

things he said and did during that time, and many times doesn't even

remember doing what he did. He has gotten much better in the last

few years. He used to rage everyday, then it got less, now it is

only several times a year. It is always when the routine is changed

and something has been going on in his life( ex: he lettered in

band at his high school, and after the banquet we came home and he

was in hysterics with the eyes glazed and throwing his letters

around, calling everything stupid, crying, being very mean and

abusive toward his younger siblings. They had shown a video at the

banquet and one picture in the video was of him smiling. He just

went to pieces at home over everyone seeing it and said he didn't

ever want to be in marching band again. The next day he calmed down

and said how sorry he was and now it is all in the past as though it

never happened and he doesn't even remember all the details) He has

a few close friends, but whenever I say something about being

friends with more kids he remarks that he doesn't need more then one

or two friends. He sometimes treats his friends very bad. He will

completely ignore them when they come over, he has " shown " off in

front of them being very mean to his younger siblings and using

profanity in front of his friend to our family. He just

doesn't " get it " about proper behavior and being respectful. He

doesn't care about his appearance in front of his peers, but when

they laugh at him for having spots on his shirt, or his

pants " flooding " or his hair uncombed, he is devastated. He now has

a girlfriend, but told her to stop calling our house so much because

it " bugs " him. I can see where this relationship will be short term

also. He doesn't like any long term relationships that become too

intense or too " loving " . If we have really pleasant, calm, days, he

will start trouble after a time to cause more tension in the

house. He also goes up to strangers and will begin a conversation

with them, he would tell them our whole family story if they asked.

I have to many times stop him. He doesn't use discretion when

talking to people. He also is overly attached to me and doesn't

want to leave. He even carries this attachment into going to school

and gives me a horrible time every morning getting up and leaving

home to go to school. He wants me to sit in the family room or at

the computer while he falls to sleep at night so that he doesn't

feel alone. He was on adderall two different times and both times

became very aggressive. We had to take him off, I will never put

him on it again. The same thing happened on Strettera. I have

heard that other kids have also had this problem with these two

drugs.

>

> Patti H.

[Guest guest]

,

My 11 year old son is bi-polar, as was his birth mother. Children cycle through the moods very quickly. It isn't until they are more toward adults that they last for days. A child can change many times during the hours. is almost to the point of needing Residential Treatment. We have tried over 15 different medications. He is diagnosed, ADD, RAD (reactive attachment disorder) and bi-polar. He can be quiet and playing playstation for hours, or if the game goes wrong, in a rage tearing apart the whole game system. He will play well one minute and then turn on one of his siblings and threaten them to "kill" them, "use a knife on them" etc., or actually hits, punches, kicks, slaps or scratches them. He becomes totally obsessed with hurting the person to get back at something he thought they said or did. He is a constant instigator, and antagonizes everyone of the kids. He goes through the mania part by being hyper, impulsive, risky, a nuisance. Then he cycles to the depressive part by being angry, resentful, enraged, crying. It comes and goes all day long. You never know what sets him off. He is rarely happy. There is a good internet site for bi-polar kids it is www.bpkids.com, this might give you some good information.

Patti

Re: Newbie

Hi Yes the psychologist wanted to rule out both AS and bi-polar but he and all of her Mobile Therapists felt that she really shows signs of AS. And they tried to tell me that the moods last longer with bipolar, more towards days rather than minutes and hours.We tried to go w/o meds and there was no living with her. So this is the regiment we are on. Basically our dr said that we are out of options with her meds. We saw him Friday and he kept them the same.And the dog is getting very aggressive because of how she is treating it. I have 3 other kids that love to play with her but don't like the aggression she shows them.Her diet is hard to control. She only eats a few things: Pepperoni, PB & J, white rice, pork steak, pizza (only take out),cheerios, hot fudge sundae poptarts, chicken nuggets and french fries (only from McD, BK, or s')and lots of milk. So I'm afraid to modify what lil she eats.Thanks> Well I can certainly see where as would come in. Have they considered bipolar at all as well? I ask because I think that tends to have a greater rage factor with it? Someone else here will know for sure. > > That does seem like ALOT of medication. Do the medications improve anything? I am wondering if perhaps the meds just aren't doing what they should and perhaps she needs to be on something different?? > > I think it is great that she has a dog! I see total differences in my son when he can be around Grandma's doggies. I wouldn't worry about the licking...sure it is gross but I don't think that it will hurt her at all. And as far as being rough with the dog, if the dog isn't complaining it is probably just fine unless she is hitting or kicking the dog to be mean. I think wrestling with the dog is fine if it helps her get that need out of her system. And I am glad to hear she is already getting sensory therapy. Is she on an official sensory diet (a very strict routine of sensory therapies)?> > You could try some of the diet type therapies, like the GFCF or Feingold diet. I have heard with alot of kids with ODD-like symptoms that perservatives and food dyes in particular are major contributors to negative behavior. Now how to amend the diet of a picky 8 yo, I don't know.> > I would recommend reading "The Explosive Child" by Ross Greene Ph.D. I was skepticle at first but now would consider it to be quite brilliant!> > Good luck with the nuerology appt. You have come to a great place. The people here are full of informatioN!!> >

[Guest guest]

Newbie

Hello, my name is . My online friends call me Lady D. I live in

Michigan am married with five adult children and ten grands. I hope I will get

to know you and you me.

Welcome Lady D,

My name is Terry and I also live in Michigan. Yes, lots of good stuff in the

files, but don't hesitate to ask questions, cause theres always more to say and

learn (for all of us). I've been blending eos for about three years now,

originally in the form of massage oils to use in my massage practice. My

clients have taught me a lot and for some, essential oils have made a profound

difference in their lives. I'm just fascinated with what I've seen.

So many ways to use the 'essences', but for me natural perfume making has

become my main interest. Such a wonderful and wholesome alternative to the

endless assault of synthetic fragrances. In an age of 'artificial everything',

making anything natural satifies something in me.

Have fun in your aromatic endeavors! Always something new to discover.

Terry

Dragonfly Aromatics

[Guest guest]

Hi Grace! Welcome to the group.

Val is right. Do NOT eat the same amount of food your husband does

unless you want to put on more weight. Though BFL doesn't require

counting calories, in practice using palm-fist portion sizes will get

you to about 1200-1600 calories a day, which should be fine for fat

loss. On the other hand (pardon the stupid pun), if you go with your

husband's portion sizes, you might be consuming anywhere from

2000-2800 calories, which, to be frank, is maintenance or weight gain

territory for most women. I'm eating 2100 calories a day now to

maintain my weight, and trust me, no amount of intensity in your BFL

core workouts will cause you to lose weight at that level of intake

unless you are 6' tall and built like a valkyrie.

Stick with your own portions and ignore the fact that your dh's meal

might be twice as much as yours. Men have more muscle and larger body

size in general. They simply burn more calories just sitting on their

butts than we do.

I only use the cheapo plain, FF/SFyogurt since I reserve it solely for

my shakes, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using

flavored FF/SF yogurt as a carb portion. Try to look for brands that

are 100 calories or below--not a problem if you are getting

fat-free/sugar-free varieties.

> Some initial questions... ahem, in the book there is no difference

> that I can see between what men eat and what women eat. Can I eat

> the same amount as my Dh and still lose weight? Second, Dh and I

> disagree about yogurt. He says it has to be nonfat, nonflavored and

> not artificially sweetened. I can't find that anywhere in the

> book. I'd put up with artificial sweetener just to have some

> taste!

>

> Any and all help or advice greatly appreciated.

>

> Grace

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks a lot... wow, what a dangerous road that would have been, although, I

kind of suspect that is the road I've been on for a while. I just can't eat

what the guys eat, and expect to lose weight.

Now how do I convince my Dh what his portion size should be... because he

thinks he's supposed to eat the same amount. Aarrgghh! Plus, I'm a little

competitive and if he eats like I do, he'll get ahead of me!

Grace

God is good, all the time.

All the time, God is good.

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>Hi Grace! Welcome to the group.

>

>Val is right. Do NOT eat the same amount of food your husband does

>unless you want to put on more weight. Though BFL doesn't require

>counting calories, in practice using palm-fist portion sizes will get

>you to about 1200-1600 calories a day, which should be fine for fat

>loss. On the other hand (pardon the stupid pun), if you go with your

>husband's portion sizes, you might be consuming anywhere from

>2000-2800 calories, which, to be frank, is maintenance or weight gain

>territory for most women. I'm eating 2100 calories a day now to

>maintain my weight, and trust me, no amount of intensity in your BFL

>core workouts will cause you to lose weight at that level of intake

>unless you are 6' tall and built like a valkyrie.

>

>Stick with your own portions and ignore the fact that your dh's meal

>might be twice as much as yours. Men have more muscle and larger body

>size in general. They simply burn more calories just sitting on their

>butts than we do.

>

>I only use the cheapo plain, FF/SFyogurt since I reserve it solely for

>my shakes, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using

>flavored FF/SF yogurt as a carb portion. Try to look for brands that

>are 100 calories or below--not a problem if you are getting

>fat-free/sugar-free varieties.

>

>

> > Some initial questions... ahem, in the book there is no difference

> > that I can see between what men eat and what women eat. Can I eat

> > the same amount as my Dh and still lose weight? Second, Dh and I

> > disagree about yogurt. He says it has to be nonfat, nonflavored and

> > not artificially sweetened. I can't find that anywhere in the

> > book. I'd put up with artificial sweetener just to have some

> > taste!

> >

> > Any and all help or advice greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Grace

> >

[Guest guest]

I have a feeling that DH would not be able to eat your sized portions and not go

crazy - he would definitely be hungry! Why don't you just take control for a

week or so and divvy up the portions for him? Take a look at his hand - trace

it on a piece of paper if you have to, then make a mental image of his fist as

well. Maybe do a water displacement test with it to see what the volume of his

fist is (if you have a measuring cup big enough). For my hubby I'm using 6oz of

meat as a portion (he'll only eat meat for a protein - big baby...) and for his

carb it's about 35g or so, maybe a cup and a half to 2 cups?

Hope that didn't confuse things more!

in WI

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>Hi Grace! Welcome to the group.

>

>Val is right. Do NOT eat the same amount of food your husband does

>unless you want to put on more weight. Though BFL doesn't require

>counting calories, in practice using palm-fist portion sizes will get

>you to about 1200-1600 calories a day, which should be fine for fat

>loss. On the other hand (pardon the stupid pun), if you go with your

>husband's portion sizes, you might be consuming anywhere from

>2000-2800 calories, which, to be frank, is maintenance or weight gain

>territory for most women. I'm eating 2100 calories a day now to

>maintain my weight, and trust me, no amount of intensity in your BFL

>core workouts will cause you to lose weight at that level of intake

>unless you are 6' tall and built like a valkyrie.

>

>Stick with your own portions and ignore the fact that your dh's meal

>might be twice as much as yours. Men have more muscle and larger body

>size in general. They simply burn more calories just sitting on their

>butts than we do.

>

>I only use the cheapo plain, FF/SFyogurt since I reserve it solely for

>my shakes, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using

>flavored FF/SF yogurt as a carb portion. Try to look for brands that

>are 100 calories or below--not a problem if you are getting

>fat-free/sugar-free varieties.

>

>

> > Some initial questions... ahem, in the book there is no difference

> > that I can see between what men eat and what women eat. Can I eat

> > the same amount as my Dh and still lose weight? Second, Dh and I

> > disagree about yogurt. He says it has to be nonfat, nonflavored and

> > not artificially sweetened. I can't find that anywhere in the

> > book. I'd put up with artificial sweetener just to have some

> > taste!

> >

> > Any and all help or advice greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Grace

> >

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[Guest guest]

Grace--if you cook out of the EFL cookbook, it gives the number of

servings you should get from each recipe. You could divide the

finished product into containers/plates and take a little off yours

and add it to your hubby's plate. The serving sizes are

considered " average " which according to the EFL website means a

little large for most women and a little small for most men. It

works for me. Just a thought!

Kim

> I have a feeling that DH would not be able to eat your sized

portions and not go crazy - he would definitely be hungry! Why

don't you just take control for a week or so and divvy up the

portions for him? Take a look at his hand - trace it on a piece of

paper if you have to, then make a mental image of his fist as well.

Maybe do a water displacement test with it to see what the volume of

his fist is (if you have a measuring cup big enough). For my hubby

I'm using 6oz of meat as a portion (he'll only eat meat for a

protein - big baby...) and for his carb it's about 35g or so, maybe

a cup and a half to 2 cups?

>

> Hope that didn't confuse things more!

>

> in WI

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> >Hi Grace! Welcome to the group.

> >

> >Val is right. Do NOT eat the same amount of food your husband

does

> >unless you want to put on more weight. Though BFL doesn't

require

> >counting calories, in practice using palm-fist portion sizes

will get

> >you to about 1200-1600 calories a day, which should be fine for

fat

> >loss. On the other hand (pardon the stupid pun), if you go

with your

> >husband's portion sizes, you might be consuming anywhere from

> >2000-2800 calories, which, to be frank, is maintenance or

weight gain

> >territory for most women. I'm eating 2100 calories a day now to

> >maintain my weight, and trust me, no amount of intensity in

your BFL

> >core workouts will cause you to lose weight at that level of

intake

> >unless you are 6' tall and built like a valkyrie.

> >

> >Stick with your own portions and ignore the fact that your dh's

meal

> >might be twice as much as yours. Men have more muscle and

larger body

> >size in general. They simply burn more calories just sitting

on their

> >butts than we do.

> >

> >I only use the cheapo plain, FF/SFyogurt since I reserve it

solely for

> >my shakes, but I don't think there's anything wrong with using

> >flavored FF/SF yogurt as a carb portion. Try to look for

brands that

> >are 100 calories or below--not a problem if you are getting

> >fat-free/sugar-free varieties.

> >

> >

> > > Some initial questions... ahem, in the book there is no

difference

> > > that I can see between what men eat and what women eat. Can

I eat

> > > the same amount as my Dh and still lose weight? Second, Dh

and I

> > > disagree about yogurt. He says it has to be nonfat,

nonflavored and

> > > not artificially sweetened. I can't find that anywhere in

the

> > > book. I'd put up with artificial sweetener just to have some

> > > taste!

> > >

> > > Any and all help or advice greatly appreciated.

> > >

> > > Grace

> > >

>

>

>

>

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>

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On Feb 11, 2005, at 2:23 PM, nycmoves wrote:

> So back to what I don't know and my first question.  I've never seen

> or used an absolute before.  I do have some rose absolute in my

> possession.  I thought that would be a very basic and good choice to

> have in my supply and on hand.

>

> What I cannot seem to pick out from the posts is how exactly is an

> absolute measured in a blend vs. an EO?

Hi Drew,

Welcome ;-)

I'm not sure if you have had responses- I am a bit behind with email.

It's a little hard to respond to your question only because it is a

little to vague.

Essential oils (steam distilled), expressed oils, CO2 oil, tinctured

botanicals, infused botanicals, enfleurage, absolutes, etc- we may use

any of these in a perfume. In aromatherapy blends many of us (myself

included) use only steam distilled essential oils, CO2's, pressed

citrus oils, and pure infused botanicals in pure organic bases- with

the exception of Jasmine abs. which I do use in some blends.

In natural perfumery (an aesthetic art ) I also use oils that are

solvent extracted as needed on an individual basis- absolutes and use

alcohol or jojoba oil as a base. I am not applying to the body over

large areas for therapeutic use- rather using small amounts in a

concentrated perfume. It is important to me to use the purest quality

absolutes when I use them.

Each essential oil or absolute is different. You can not compare a drop

of Clove with a drop of Lavender- or a drops of Rose absolute with a

drop of Fir absolute. In general there is nothing I can really share.

Is it possible to ask a more specific question? I think you are wanting

to know if a drop of an essential oil is equal to a drop of the same

flower in an absolute- in terms of " strength " or concentration of odor.

Is that what you are asking? If so, you can not generalize. In general-

very general- I might use the same amount of Rose abs for Rose Otto-

but the otto is so different than the abs- and it depends on the

specific abs or otto....sorry, I can't generalize!

>

> Any help with this first question is appreciated.  Oak moss infusions

> is one of my favorites by the way!!

Just curious what you are referring to when you say Oak moss infusion-

just to clarify our terms and be sure we are all on the same page.

>

> Drew

I am not sure if any of this is helpful or not.

Take care,

http://www.WholeLifeEssentials.com

Products & Services for Your Whole Life!

[Guest guest]

You can check out my blog http://fuzzyelfone.blogspot.com/ if you want

- i just finished my 1st 12 weeks and I posted pics and stats (you'll

have to scroll down a little) - but overall, i lost 14 lbs and 4.5

inches from my waist. BFL is awesome! I want to shout it from the

mountain. you will have good days and bad, but you must remember it's

gradual - never give up and you will see those results.

On 7/9/05, hadley19992000 <hadley19992000@...> wrote:

> Hey ya'll,

>

> New to BFL, on program since 6/27. As of today, I have lost 5.4 lbs

> and am feeling great.

>

> Question: Any one on 2nd or 3rd BFL ? Just wondering how much I can

> expect to lose in the first 12 weeks. I weighed 167.4, am down to

> 161.6. Goal is health, strength and weight loss. I really want to

> get down to around 125 or 130.

>

> I appreciate any help you can give me.

>

> Thanks,

> Dee

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Unless you were really bloated and have some substantial water loss,

the most you can expect to lose is 1-2 pounds of fat per week, which

means 12-24 pounds per 12 week challenge. Don't get too hung up on the

scale because it fluctuates wildly and doesn't tell the whole story.

Mainly what you want to lose is inches, so trust the tape measure, the

body fat calipers, your eyes, and your clothes more than the scale. As

you get in shape, you might find yourself wearing tiny clothing sizes

and sporting great muscle definition at a much higher scale weight

than you would have imagined.

On 7/9/05, hadley19992000 <hadley19992000@...> wrote:

> Hey ya'll,

>

> New to BFL, on program since 6/27. As of today, I have lost 5.4 lbs

> and am feeling great.

>

> Question: Any one on 2nd or 3rd BFL ? Just wondering how much I can

> expect to lose in the first 12 weeks. I weighed 167.4, am down to

> 161.6. Goal is health, strength and weight loss. I really want to

> get down to around 125 or 130.

>

> I appreciate any help you can give me.

>

> Thanks,

> Dee

[Guest guest]

> Hey ya'll,

>

> New to BFL, on program since 6/27. As of today, I have lost 5.4

lbs

> and am feeling great.

>

> Question: Any one on 2nd or 3rd BFL ? Just wondering how much I

can

> expect to lose in the first 12 weeks. I weighed 167.4, am down to

> 161.6. Goal is health, strength and weight loss. I really want

to

> get down to around 125 or 130.

>

> I appreciate any help you can give me.

>

> Thanks,

> Dee

Thanks to the three of you!! I look forward to chatting wtih you

all in the future.

Beth we do have very similar stats. Please let me know how you are

progressing!!

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Glenda, welcome!

I have a son, 16, who OCD ordeal began right before he turned 12.

Yes, Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) is the type therapy for OCD,

along with Exposure & Response Prevention (ERP - or some say " ritual "

prevention). Sometimes the hardest thing seems to be finding a

therapist who has experience with OCD. But by reading here &

elsewhere, you will get a good idea of just what a therapist should

be doing with your daughter once therapy begins.

I'm sure most people don't get diagnosed with OCD until their own

behavior (compulsions, obsessions) begins to become distressing to

them and they seek help.

We couldn't find a therapist nearby to work with and through this

great group and reading, we managed to get through the worst and my

son still " has " OCD but it's soooooo much in the background now that

it's not distressing him and the rest of us so much these days. From

what I've read, if you begin treatment with a good therapist, you

should begin to see progress in WEEKS sometimes.

Zoloft is also zoloft here in the U.S. My son used Celexa and it

worked well for him. There are several medication for OCD to try,

and some people may have to try more than one to find *the* one that

works best for them. Sometimes side effects - or no effect - can

mean trying another OCD medication, but many side effects go away

after a few days/couple weeks. At first my son had trouble getting

to sleep on Celexa but that went away after a few weeks. The only

other side effect he had that stayed was feeling tired in the

afternoons (he took his Celexa at night) and he'd take a nap after

school.

Medication doesn't have to be " forever " for all OCD sufferers and

once your daughter improves through therapy and medication and learns

the " tools " to boss back her OCD, she may reach a point to try coming

off her medication. My son was on Celexa for almost 2 years and

wanted to try " med free " so we reduced the dose slowly and he stopped

it completely at the end of May. So far so good, we'll just wait and

see!

single mom, 3 sons

, 16, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers/autism

> hi,

> my daughter will be 16 in 2 weeks time and has just been diagnosed

with OCD

> (she counts). While she has been aware of it for several years now

(and

> seems to be relieved it is out in the open)- it's news to my

husband and I.

> We've known for several days only and were definitely not prepared

for

[Guest guest]

In message <dbj1t7+b6t1eGroups> you wrote:

> I started my tea last Wed. It doesn't seem to be as fizzy as I would

> like it, how can I get it to become fizzier

Welcome Carol!

http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/KTBalance.shtml Kombucha Balance

Len Porzio, a member of this list, has compiles this excellent

trouble-shooting site. Click on 'no fizz' and you'll get a lot

of suggestions how you can improve on it.

Maybe, to say in a nutshell, fizziness is not important in terms of

the health benefits of Kombucha. Even if your tea is not fizzy now,

it definitely will get some fizz after bottling, after leaving it at

room temperature for a few days.

So, don't worry, you'll get there in the end.

kombuchaly,

Margret

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Life is too short to spend it hating.

[Guest guest]

tight-fitting caps on your bottles seems to be important, as with any

" gassy " beverage.

Re: newbie

> In message <dbj1t7+b6t1eGroups> you wrote:

>

> > I started my tea last Wed. It doesn't seem to be as fizzy as I would

> > like it, how can I get it to become fizzier

> Welcome Carol!

>

> http://w3.trib.com/~kombu/KTBalance.shtml Kombucha Balance

>

> Len Porzio, a member of this list, has compiles this excellent

> trouble-shooting site. Click on 'no fizz' and you'll get a lot

> of suggestions how you can improve on it.

>

> Maybe, to say in a nutshell, fizziness is not important in terms of

> the health benefits of Kombucha. Even if your tea is not fizzy now,

> it definitely will get some fizz after bottling, after leaving it at

> room temperature for a few days.

>

> So, don't worry, you'll get there in the end.

>

> kombuchaly,

>

> Margret

> --

>

> +---------------------------------------------------------------+

> Minstrel@...

> <)))<>< www.therpc.f9.co.uk <)))<><

> +---------------------------------------------------------------+

> Life is too short to spend it hating.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Aimee,

I worked years of overnights and I always did best working out when I

woke up... whatever time of day that was. It's hard getting enough

sleep when you're working weird hours. For me, working out in the

morning after work was a disaster because then I was fully awake,

hours had gone by, the sunlight had hit me, and there was no way I

could go to bed and sleep soundly. For me, it was better to crash out

and sleep as soon as I got home from work. Then I'd do the workout in

the afternoon or evening, sometimes allowing myself enough time for a

bonus post-workout nap afterward.

On 8/1/05, aimalasplace <aimalasplace@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

> I just found this group from skwigg's home page, I am a member of

> bodyforlifers.com

> I am just trying to get my grove on. I have just started a new job

> which has me working 7p to 7a for 3 days and starting school in less

> than a month. I am a routine girl and need to get back into one. I have

> the option of going to my gym after work. Or before school/work. I

> can't figure out which will be better for me.

> P.S. Skwigg- I am at work (in a pediatric hospital) Cracking up while

> reading about your dogs! They sound like such charactures I was able

> to print up your workouts and meals pages. You remind me of myself

> before I " Fell off the wagon " and I fell hard. The hardest part for me

> is when I do work out all I remember is what I COULD do and what I

> CAN'T do now. I feel that it will take me forever to get back to where

> I was and it is SOOO discouraging. You have inspired me alot this

> evening

> Thanks so much for letting me type

> Aimeé

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Aimee,

I worked years of overnights and I always did best working out when I

woke up... whatever time of day that was. It's hard getting enough

sleep when you're working weird hours. For me, working out in the

morning after work was a disaster because then I was fully awake,

hours had gone by, the sunlight had hit me, and there was no way I

could go to bed and sleep soundly. For me, it was better to crash out

and sleep as soon as I got home from work. Then I'd do the workout in

the afternoon or evening, sometimes allowing myself enough time for a

bonus post-workout nap afterward.

On 8/1/05, aimalasplace <aimalasplace@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

> I just found this group from skwigg's home page, I am a member of

> bodyforlifers.com

> I am just trying to get my grove on. I have just started a new job

> which has me working 7p to 7a for 3 days and starting school in less

> than a month. I am a routine girl and need to get back into one. I have

> the option of going to my gym after work. Or before school/work. I

> can't figure out which will be better for me.

> P.S. Skwigg- I am at work (in a pediatric hospital) Cracking up while

> reading about your dogs! They sound like such charactures I was able

> to print up your workouts and meals pages. You remind me of myself

> before I " Fell off the wagon " and I fell hard. The hardest part for me

> is when I do work out all I remember is what I COULD do and what I

> CAN'T do now. I feel that it will take me forever to get back to where

> I was and it is SOOO discouraging. You have inspired me alot this

> evening

> Thanks so much for letting me type

> Aimeé

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debbie,

Welcome to the group!! I don't know what I would do without them!!

Just want to note ... my daughter won't sleep alone either... my husband

works third shift so having her bed next to mine isn't that big a deal. I

always

wondered how many others do this,I was to shy to say I do.... in my case

Crystal age 9 would NEVER sleep as a baby.... I tried EVERYTHIING!!!! Then at

age

two after going with 3 hours sleep or so a night (needless to say I looked

like sh*t) the doctor said why don't you just put her next to you in your room

at

least you could both sleep. (it was effecting her health) So here we are 7

years later and her little bed is still next to mine... She has her own room

that she has decorated but its just for play and show when friends are over.

Maybe someday....

again Welcome Debbie

Shirley & Crystal (age9) Daytona Beach, Florida

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie, welcome!

I have a son, 16, with OCD. His battle began at around age 11.5.

Rough times but OCD is now very much in the background.

Still " there, " as you know yourself, but in the background.

With your daughter's OCD going in and out of remission, does she have

the PANDAS type OCD? Just asking, as I understand OCD can seem to

disappear for a time with that type.

My son's OCD waxed and waned too, but he always had something he was

dealing with that was OCD related. Actually at one time...maybe 1.5

years or so after it began...he was doing sooo much better, I had to

ask if it was still " there " or was gone. He said it (OCD) was always

there. I guess his compulsive type behaviors were just more

manageable or really weak or something. His OCD began with lots of

touching, certain movements, affected his writing, reading.... Those

first months it changed pretty much, things would go and new ones pop

up! No handwashing though, or any of the more typical things I read

about except, as I recall, some repetitive things (light switches,

etc.).

is now trying " med free " since he had been doing so well. He

quit Celexa around the end of May. School begins in a couple weeks,

I hope it goes well (11th grade). Usually it has always started well

but then things get a bit stressed later.

Well, again, welcome to the group. It's been my best support all

these years, as no one around here understands OCD to the degree many

of us experience with our kids and living with it!

single mom, 3 sons

, 16, with OCD, dysgraphia and Aspergers/autism

, 16, twin (not identical)

Randall, 20

> Hello All!

>

> My name is Debbie and I am a newbie to this message board. My 11-

> year-old daughter has been living with OCD for 3 years now.

>

> Her initial symptoms were excessive hand washing. Since then, the

> OCD has taken on many different " faces " - from repeating statements

> (over and over and over) -- to obsession about death (ours and

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Debbie,

You've found the place you need to be....though I only come on this

board now and then now (Cody is so much better!)I still find this

place priceless!

Cody slept with me (or me with him) until he was about 12. Then,

since I was getting married soon, and because he was feeling the need

to sleep alone, he gradually began sleeping alone in his room....but

those were not good months.

It wasn't until he started on the Lexapro that his sleeping habits

have become peaceful - before then he said he was always afraid he

was going to die, rather gruesomely, and he spent a lot of time

obsessing scary thoughts....for hours and hours.

Sometimes I suspect it was the sleeping alone that pushed him over

the edge...that along with puberty.

But now, he occasionally takes melatonin to help him sleep - -

expecially during the school year when he has to get up at an early

hour.

I felt like such a failure when he slept with me all those years - it

didn't really matter since I was single - and I admit that I've

always enjoyed sleeping in the same room with my children - a very

unamerican kind of family time for me.

[Guest guest]

My daughter use to choose to sleep right outside of my room. Every night she

would get out of bed and bring her blanket and pillow to my door and sleep

on the floor right there. She could have come in the room, but she chose not

to. I think she just needed to see me. The door was left open. I don't remember

at what age she decided to stay in her own room, but it may not have been

the best choice for her. Her dad worked nights and apparently for hours she was

stay awake obsessively thinking that something terrible was happening to

him. At 14 she still has trouble with this, but meds have lessened the

intensity. Good luck and welcome, Debbie. Kim

In a message dated 8/9/2005 8:29:33 AM Central Standard Time,

debbyspitz@... writes:

Although my goal for Tracey is for her to eventually be able to

sleep alone in her room ... until she's ready I won't push her

there - simply because society says she should. Very few

friends/family members are aware of her sleeping arrangements (I

refuse to open myself up to the inevitable critism) ... however,

we'll do what works until she is able to defeat these fears.

Debbie