Hair Loss

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky, you might want to look into iodized salt, the 1st major cause of

mental retardation

and hypothyroidism in the world is lack of iodine! FWIW (from Brussels)

>

> Just looked at hypothyroidism and have found short stature, is only on

> the 2nd percentile for height, late eruption of teeth, his teeth didn't come

> through until last Spring when he turned 8 yrs old, severe mental retardation,

> has severe LD, now I'm not saying he has this condition, but with all

> these symptoms am I half crazy of shouldn't his paed have ruled it out

> already. Where can I have him tested for this, I will assume his Doctors

won't want

> to order a test.

> TIA

> Vicky

>

[Guest guest]

I do have the pediatric ranges for the Free T3 and Free T4, provided by Valentino on the A-M list. They are much higher than the adult ranges. Just make sure the lab slip has the word FREE in front of the T3 and T4 or the test is useless.

Our original ped told us she was testing the Free T3 and T4, sent us for the blood test, and it turned out she had written something else, so we had to find a new ped and repeat the test, not fun for a 4.11 year old. So my advice is to look at the lab slip, then ask at the lab with every person you meet, including the phlebotomist who is taking the sample.

Let the ped or GP test the TSH if he/she wants, it won't hurt or take anymore blood to do that and it makes THEM feel better as that is what they are familiar with.

Also, if you have a hair test, you can look at that, while you are waiting on the blood tests to see if there are any clues there. That is how we originally found our problem, caught it in the very beginning.

She had no symptoms save for dry skin. She is in the 90 percentile for height, so no growth problems and a ton of hair, although I did notice the growth of her hair had slowed down.

Re: Re: Hair Loss

In a message dated 22/02/2006 07:01:24 GMT Standard Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

Where can I have him tested for this, I will assume his Doctors won't want to order a test.

>>>Ask your GP - you want full thyorid function tests - TSH, T4 and T3 - the results will come back normal but because they don't do children ranges but I have them saved somewhere. If I can;t find them then will know I am sure. worth a shot - take written details of why you want this

Mandi in Dorset

[Guest guest]

I think the hair loss is due to multiple factors, inlcuding just deficit of calories. The body is losing so much at one time that likely it is holding onto slower turn over cells opposed to the fast turn over cells, such as hair. Bellandreastalbot <andreastalbot@...> wrote: How commonly are you having bypass patients with hair loss? It seems more common among our patients here than I thought. Most of them are taking all vitamins and minerals recommended and reaching for a goal of 70-100 grams of protein per day. Any suggestions on how to help prevent this would be great.Thanks,

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Hi ,

I can attest that the Biotin doesn't work. People like to think that it does. Most patients epereince hair loss in the early stages after surgery then it comes back within 6-9 months. Then there are rare cases like me, at almost 2 years post-op, where my hair still hasn't grown back (bald on both sides). Protien consumption-not an issue. Happy to show photos. So, it's very individual.

I've been using Nioxin but you have to use both the shampoo and the conditioner and leave it on for the alloted time. It seems to be working.

Thanks,

Beatrice

[Guest guest]

At one point in my WLS journey, I was eating a lot of eggs and I noticed a difference in my hair. I had a hair transplant several years ago so I notice things like that. I wasn't eating the egg for that purpose but I did notice and thought it probably was the biotin. Then I got tired of the eggs and started taking biotin supplements but I see no different with those.

Bev

Re: Hair Loss

Hi ,

I can attest that the Biotin doesn't work. People like to think that it does. Most patients epereince hair loss in the early stages after surgery then it comes back within 6-9 months. Then there are rare cases like me, at almost 2 years post-op, where my hair still hasn't grown back (bald on both sides). Protien consumption-not an issue. Happy to show photos. So, it's very individual.

I've been using Nioxin but you have to use both the shampoo and the conditioner and leave it on for the alloted time. It seems to be working.

Thanks,

Beatrice

[Guest guest]

I, too, noticed in my WLS journey that I lost a lot of hair at 3 months post op and it stopped falling out at around 6 months post op. I was getting more than enough protein and taking my vitamins. I did use the Nioxin shampoo and conditioner and did notice an improvement. At about 6 months I could see new hair growth coming in. My hair is now almost as thick as it was before surgery.

Stacey

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of BevlyannSent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: Re: Hair Loss

At one point in my WLS journey, I was eating a lot of eggs and I noticed a difference in my hair. I had a hair transplant several years ago so I notice things like that. I wasn't eating the egg for that purpose but I did notice and thought it probably was the biotin. Then I got tired of the eggs and started taking biotin supplements but I see no different with those.

Bev

Re: Hair Loss

Hi ,

I can attest that the Biotin doesn't work. People like to think that it does. Most patients epereince hair loss in the early stages after surgery then it comes back within 6-9 months. Then there are rare cases like me, at almost 2 years post-op, where my hair still hasn't grown back (bald on both sides). Protien consumption-not an issue. Happy to show photos. So, it's very individual.

I've been using Nioxin but you have to use both the shampoo and the conditioner and leave it on for the alloted time. It seems to be working.

Thanks,

Beatrice

[Guest guest]

I agreee that it probably has to do with total nutrient intake being

low. My patients swear by biotin, but I'm not really sure that it

makes that big of a difference. A lot of our patients are not getting

enough protein intake, especially during those first few months. I

also have a coworker who ended up having an essential fatty acid

deficiency. After she has added a small amount of fat into her diet

(generally peanuts for her), her hair is growing full and shiny. Our

program recommends 1 tsp of olive oil per day in the beginning to

ensure adequate fat to prevent essential fayy acid deficiency.

Bledsoe, MS, RD, LD

[Guest guest]

Hi : What is the lab test for EFA deficiency and did she have other symptoms besides hair loss? Thank you Bethlynnepallardy <_Bledsoe@...> wrote: I agreee that it probably has to do with total nutrient intake being low. My patients swear by biotin, but I'm not really sure that it makes that big of a difference. A lot of our patients are not getting enough protein intake, especially during those first few months. I also have a coworker who ended up having an essential fatty acid deficiency. After she has added a small amount of fat into her diet (generally peanuts for her), her hair is growing full and shiny. Our program recommends 1 tsp of olive oil per day in the beginning to ensure adequate fat to

prevent essential fayy acid deficiency. Bledsoe, MS, RD, LD

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[Guest guest]

My coworker had her surgery done at a different hospital, so I am not

sure if they did a lab test to check for EFA deficiency, or just

diagnosed it from the clinical signs and symptoms (dry, scaly skin and

hair loss).

[Guest guest]

Donna,

What are the doses for the cases you stated (men's hair loss)?

Thanks,

Dennis

hair loss

> On the topic of hair loss. In women who have hormonal hair loss after

> giving birth, as you mentioned, or during menopause, colostrum can often

> turn it around. I have a number of women taking it who said they had

> really thin hair previous to colostrum and now their hair is thick.

> Others have tried it and didn't get results. I suspect their hair loss

> was not hormonal.

>

> It can also be caused by excess iron, in women.

>

> I also have had men purchase it for other issues, like Irritable Bowel

> Syndrome, only to find that the hair on their bald heads grew back. Once

> again, it doesn't work for all.

>

> Also it will re-grow pubic hair that thins or dissappears with age, as

> well as arm and leg and arm pit hair.

>

> If I had hair loss I would try it because when it works it is glorious.

> One guys barber started selling it when, after about four to six weeks his

> formerly bald head (top) was covered in short hair.

>

> Pure colostrum collected in the first six hours is the best. Later than

> that it will have alot of milk in it and be low in growth factors. And

> organic, of course.

>

> Blessings

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

3 caps, or one and one half tsp twice a day, upon arising and at bed time.

Empty stomach if possible. I think it could be used topically also. Colostrum

makes a wonderful mask for the face. Especially mixed with coconut oil/butter

and some fulvics. Leaves the skin lovely afterward. Seems like it would be

good for the follicles also, but I have no experience with it this way. It just

makes sense to me that it would help. Especially with the fulvics as they are

such a tiny molecule and they carry stuff and would make it penetrate much

further than it would on it's own.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

Re: hair loss

Donna,

What are the doses for the cases you stated (men's hair loss)?

Thanks,

Dennis

[Guest guest]

Donna

You mention that the collection of closterum is better

within the first 6 hours. My question is, just where

do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh cow

or? from a fresh lady? LOL

Plus, how do you go about administering? Drinking how

much? how often, for how long?

Tom

--- CountryGirl <ruthful@...> wrote:

> On the topic of hair loss. In women who have

> hormonal hair loss after giving birth, as you

> mentioned, or during menopause, colostrum can often

> turn it around. I have a number of women taking it

> who said they had really thin hair previous to

> colostrum and now their hair is thick. Others have

> tried it and didn't get results. I suspect their

> hair loss was not hormonal.

>

> It can also be caused by excess iron, in women.

>

> I also have had men purchase it for other issues,

> like Irritable Bowel Syndrome, only to find that the

> hair on their bald heads grew back. Once again, it

> doesn't work for all.

>

> Also it will re-grow pubic hair that thins or

> dissappears with age, as well as arm and leg and arm

> pit hair.

>

> If I had hair loss I would try it because when it

> works it is glorious. One guys barber started

> selling it when, after about four to six weeks his

> formerly bald head (top) was covered in short hair.

>

> Pure colostrum collected in the first six hours is

> the best. Later than that it will have alot of milk

> in it and be low in growth factors. And organic, of

> course.

>

> Blessings

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Tom

The ranchers collect it in the first six hours after calving. The cow produces

about 5 gallons of colostrum. The calf only drinks about one gallon. The rest

is saved for agricultural use and for human use.

It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or twice a day is the general use.

3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp to 3 tsp.

The duration would be up to the individuals personal experience and budget.

You can contact me off list for pricing.

Regards

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

Re: hair loss

Donna

You mention that the collection of closterum is better

within the first 6 hours. My question is, just where

do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh cow

or? from a fresh lady? LOL

Plus, how do you go about administering? Drinking how

much? how often, for how long?

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hello Donna

Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking about

first milk from a human, or from a cow. We always

make sure newborn calves are never deprived of first

calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum use

for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to contact

me, for colostrum.

Tom

--- CountryGirl <ruthful@...> wrote:

> Hi Tom

>

> The ranchers collect it in the first six hours after

> calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> colostrum. The calf only drinks about one gallon.

> The rest is saved for agricultural use and for human

> use.

>

> It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or twice

> a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp to

> 3 tsp.

>

> The duration would be up to the individuals personal

> experience and budget.

>

> You can contact me off list for pricing.

> Regards

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> Re: hair loss

>

>

> Donna

>

> You mention that the collection of closterum is

> better

> within the first 6 hours. My question is, just

> where

> do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh

> cow

> or? from a fresh lady? LOL

>

> Plus, how do you go about administering? Drinking

> how

> much? how often, for how long?

>

> Tom

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your cows treated regularily or

similar to , a purveyor of Organic fed cattle.

TIA.

F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote:

Hello Donna

Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking about

first milk from a human, or from a cow. We always

make sure newborn calves are never deprived of first

calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum use

for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to contact

me, for colostrum.

Tom

--- CountryGirl wrote:

> Hi Tom

>

> The ranchers collect it in the first six hours after

> calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> colostrum. The calf only drinks about one gallon.

> The rest is saved for agricultural use and for human

> use.

>

> It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or twice

> a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp to

> 3 tsp.

>

> The duration would be up to the individuals personal

> experience and budget.

>

> You can contact me off list for pricing.

> Regards

> Donna

> http://www.excellentthings.com

> http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> Re: hair loss

>

>

> Donna

>

> You mention that the collection of closterum is

> better

> within the first 6 hours. My question is, just

> where

> do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh

> cow

> or? from a fresh lady? LOL

>

> Plus, how do you go about administering? Drinking

> how

> much? how often, for how long?

>

> Tom

>

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tia

The last part of my reply back to Donna, was meant

only as a joke.. I found it funny, that she gave me

contact info, for acquireing something I routinely am

around.

Tom

--- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

>

> May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your cows

> treated regularily or similar to , a purveyor

> of Organic fed cattle.

>

> TIA.

>

> F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote:

> Hello Donna

>

> Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

> raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking

> about

> first milk from a human, or from a cow. We always

> make sure newborn calves are never deprived of first

> calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum

> use

> for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

>

> Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to contact

> me, for colostrum.

>

> Tom

> --- CountryGirl wrote:

>

> > Hi Tom

> >

> > The ranchers collect it in the first six hours

> after

> > calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> > colostrum. The calf only drinks about one gallon.

>

> > The rest is saved for agricultural use and for

> human

> > use.

> >

> > It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or

> twice

> > a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp

> to

> > 3 tsp.

> >

> > The duration would be up to the individuals

> personal

> > experience and budget.

> >

> > You can contact me off list for pricing.

> > Regards

> > Donna

> > http://www.excellentthings.com

> > http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> > 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> > Re: hair loss

> >

> >

> > Donna

> >

> > You mention that the collection of closterum is

> > better

> > within the first 6 hours. My question is, just

> > where

> > do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh

> > cow

> > or? from a fresh lady? LOL

> >

> > Plus, how do you go about administering?

> Drinking

> > how

> > much? how often, for how long?

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,

The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know people who use Colostrum.

If such products are taken from cattle that receive additional hormones,

antibiotics, steroids etc. aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the same.

Is there a difference between Organic milk and non Organic dairy products, if so

would there be a difference in Colostrum quality as well?

TIA

F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote: Tia

The last part of my reply back to Donna, was meant

only as a joke.. I found it funny, that she gave me

contact info, for acquireing something I routinely am

around.

Tom

--- Carol Ann wrote:

>

> May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your cows

> treated regularily or similar to , a purveyor

> of Organic fed cattle.

>

> TIA.

>

> F T wrote:

> Hello Donna

>

> Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

> raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking

> about

> first milk from a human, or from a cow. We always

> make sure newborn calves are never deprived of first

> calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum

> use

> for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

>

> Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to contact

> me, for colostrum.

>

> Tom

> --- CountryGirl wrote:

>

> > Hi Tom

> >

> > The ranchers collect it in the first six hours

> after

> > calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> > colostrum. The calf only drinks about one gallon.

>

> > The rest is saved for agricultural use and for

> human

> > use.

> >

> > It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or

> twice

> > a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp

> to

> > 3 tsp.

> >

> > The duration would be up to the individuals

> personal

> > experience and budget.

> >

> > You can contact me off list for pricing.

> > Regards

> > Donna

> > http://www.excellentthings.com

> > http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> > 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> > Re: hair loss

> >

> >

> > Donna

> >

> > You mention that the collection of closterum is

> > better

> > within the first 6 hours. My question is, just

> > where

> > do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a fresh

> > cow

> > or? from a fresh lady? LOL

> >

> > Plus, how do you go about administering?

> Drinking

> > how

> > much? how often, for how long?

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Tia

In this neck of the woods, Steroids, hormones are

getting phased out of beef production too. (Now a

days, not many guys are using implants, like they once

were) And thats because exactly of what you

mentioned...because people like to eat organically

To be a dairy farmer, you have to comply with Dairy

cattle regulations. These regulations are built to try

to prevent those very things from entering into the

food chain. They (the government)test milk prior to

food chain. I know of cases, even the site of a

container of medicine in the same barn, was enough for

the milk to be rejected. A person cannot slaughter

animals within 30 days of use. A person cannot use

products within 30 days.

But this whole discussion is about colostrum. I never

knew there was a huge market for colostrum, until I

read it here. So I would probably assume, " Yes to

your question " if people routinely used antibiotics,

steroids, horomones etc, and then took colostrum, from

a new fresh cow.

Tom

PS. But then there is no need to be treating a cow, if

she is healthy enough to deliver a calf, unless she

was your only cow, and that she was sick previously,

and you wanted to steal her first milk, because you

are bald...lol

--- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

> Hi Tom,

> The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know

> people who use Colostrum.

> If such products are taken from cattle that receive

> additional hormones, antibiotics, steroids etc.

> aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the same.

> Is there a difference between Organic milk and non

> Organic dairy products, if so would there be a

> difference in Colostrum quality as well?

>

> TIA

>

> F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote: Tia

>

> The last part of my reply back to Donna, was meant

> only as a joke.. I found it funny, that she gave me

> contact info, for acquireing something I routinely

> am

> around.

>

> Tom

>

>

> --- Carol Ann wrote:

>

> >

> > May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your

> cows

> > treated regularily or similar to , a

> purveyor

> > of Organic fed cattle.

> >

> > TIA.

> >

> > F T wrote:

> > Hello Donna

> >

> > Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

> > raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking

> > about

> > first milk from a human, or from a cow. We

> always

> > make sure newborn calves are never deprived of

> first

> > calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum

> > use

> > for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

> >

> > Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to

> contact

> > me, for colostrum.

> >

> > Tom

> > --- CountryGirl wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Tom

> > >

> > > The ranchers collect it in the first six hours

> > after

> > > calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> > > colostrum. The calf only drinks about one

> gallon.

> >

> > > The rest is saved for agricultural use and for

> > human

> > > use.

> > >

> > > It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or

> > twice

> > > a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp

> > to

> > > 3 tsp.

> > >

> > > The duration would be up to the individuals

> > personal

> > > experience and budget.

> > >

> > > You can contact me off list for pricing.

> > > Regards

> > > Donna

> > > http://www.excellentthings.com

> > > http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> > > 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> > > Re: hair loss

> > >

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > > You mention that the collection of closterum

> is

> > > better

> > > within the first 6 hours. My question is,

> just

> > > where

> > > do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a

> fresh

> > > cow

> > > or? from a fresh lady? LOL

> > >

> > > Plus, how do you go about administering?

> > Drinking

> > > how

> > > much? how often, for how long?

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Nice to talk to someone in the industry. Are you saying that antiobiotics and

hormones are no longer routinely used or as wide spread in the industry today as

they once were. To keep it tied into Colostrum....if a bald man is using

Colostrum to grow hair, excess hormones might do just the opposite for him.

Just asking to see if its could be in any way related.

I buy coleman meats supposedly because of the higher quailty grains used and

that fact that antibiotics or hormones are not used routinely.

Would you say that Organic meats are overpriced?

F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote:

Tia

In this neck of the woods, Steroids, hormones are

getting phased out of beef production too. (Now a

days, not many guys are using implants, like they once

were) And thats because exactly of what you

mentioned...because people like to eat organically

To be a dairy farmer, you have to comply with Dairy

cattle regulations. These regulations are built to try

to prevent those very things from entering into the

food chain. They (the government)test milk prior to

food chain. I know of cases, even the site of a

container of medicine in the same barn, was enough for

the milk to be rejected. A person cannot slaughter

animals within 30 days of use. A person cannot use

products within 30 days.

But this whole discussion is about colostrum. I never

knew there was a huge market for colostrum, until I

read it here. So I would probably assume, " Yes to

your question " if people routinely used antibiotics,

steroids, horomones etc, and then took colostrum, from

a new fresh cow.

Tom

PS. But then there is no need to be treating a cow, if

she is healthy enough to deliver a calf, unless she

was your only cow, and that she was sick previously,

and you wanted to steal her first milk, because you

are bald...lol

--- Carol Ann wrote:

> Hi Tom,

> The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know

> people who use Colostrum.

> If such products are taken from cattle that receive

> additional hormones, antibiotics, steroids etc.

> aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the same.

> Is there a difference between Organic milk and non

> Organic dairy products, if so would there be a

> difference in Colostrum quality as well?

>

> TIA

>

> F T wrote: Tia

>

> The last part of my reply back to Donna, was meant

> only as a joke.. I found it funny, that she gave me

> contact info, for acquireing something I routinely

> am

> around.

>

> Tom

>

>

> --- Carol Ann wrote:

>

> >

> > May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your

> cows

> > treated regularily or similar to , a

> purveyor

> > of Organic fed cattle.

> >

> > TIA.

> >

> > F T wrote:

> > Hello Donna

> >

> > Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

> > raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking

> > about

> > first milk from a human, or from a cow. We

> always

> > make sure newborn calves are never deprived of

> first

> > calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum

> > use

> > for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

> >

> > Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to

> contact

> > me, for colostrum.

> >

> > Tom

> > --- CountryGirl wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Tom

> > >

> > > The ranchers collect it in the first six hours

> > after

> > > calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> > > colostrum. The calf only drinks about one

> gallon.

> >

> > > The rest is saved for agricultural use and for

> > human

> > > use.

> > >

> > > It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or

> > twice

> > > a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2 tsp

> > to

> > > 3 tsp.

> > >

> > > The duration would be up to the individuals

> > personal

> > > experience and budget.

> > >

> > > You can contact me off list for pricing.

> > > Regards

> > > Donna

> > > http://www.excellentthings.com

> > > http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> > > 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> > > Re: hair loss

> > >

> > >

> > > Donna

> > >

> > > You mention that the collection of closterum

> is

> > > better

> > > within the first 6 hours. My question is,

> just

> > > where

> > > do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a

> fresh

> > > cow

> > > or? from a fresh lady? LOL

> > >

> > > Plus, how do you go about administering?

> > Drinking

> > > how

> > > much? how often, for how long?

> > >

> > > Tom

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Tia

I cant say, that antibiotics, and hormones are not

routinely used, but I can say this.. Many, by that I

mean alot of guys that used implants in the past, no

longer use implants, because market conditions favor

those that dont.... Its just simple survival. Why

pay for something that in the end makes value less?

About bald men using colostrum,tainted with drugs,

trying to regrow hair? You are asking the wrong fella

here. I once read an article, where it stated that

bald men, have a higher risks for a heart attack. I

wonderd why that was?

This is my theory, for that. I surely would become

more active, and try to get as much oxygen in my blood

stream as possible. Because I believe that male

pattern baldness and heart disease, is a combination

of 2 things.

1. As we get older our metabolism slows down, and?

2. Our body begins to deposit excess fat in other

places than just our gut. Like along our hairline, and

our heart vessels. I think some people, like myself

included, begin to deposit fat in the hairline. Inside

veins. Therefore our hair follicle is being deprived

of less blood, and less blood carries less oxygen, and

less nutrients. Less oxygen means less reactions.

Oxygen is vital for breaking down, just about

anything. Fat is good source of Carbon. You breath

out Carbon when you exhale.

We dont stay active enough to burn calories, and

those calories become stored fat someplace on our

body.

About coleman meats being over priced? Well if that

fella's beef is entirely organic, than he did

a helluva good job. Because its a tuff business.

Tom

--- Carol Ann <saffireskyes@...> wrote:

> Tom,

> Nice to talk to someone in the industry. Are you

> saying that antiobiotics and hormones are no longer

> routinely used or as wide spread in the industry

> today as they once were. To keep it tied into

> Colostrum....if a bald man is using Colostrum to

> grow hair, excess hormones might do just the

> opposite for him.

>

> Just asking to see if its could be in any way

> related.

>

> I buy coleman meats supposedly because of the higher

> quailty grains used and that fact that antibiotics

> or hormones are not used routinely.

>

> Would you say that Organic meats are overpriced?

>

> F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote:

> Tia

>

> In this neck of the woods, Steroids, hormones are

> getting phased out of beef production too. (Now a

> days, not many guys are using implants, like they

> once

> were) And thats because exactly of what you

> mentioned...because people like to eat organically

>

> To be a dairy farmer, you have to comply with Dairy

> cattle regulations. These regulations are built to

> try

> to prevent those very things from entering into the

> food chain. They (the government)test milk prior to

> food chain. I know of cases, even the site of a

> container of medicine in the same barn, was enough

> for

> the milk to be rejected. A person cannot slaughter

> animals within 30 days of use. A person cannot use

> products within 30 days.

>

> But this whole discussion is about colostrum. I

> never

> knew there was a huge market for colostrum, until I

> read it here. So I would probably assume, " Yes to

> your question " if people routinely used antibiotics,

> steroids, horomones etc, and then took colostrum,

> from

> a new fresh cow.

>

> Tom

>

> PS. But then there is no need to be treating a cow,

> if

> she is healthy enough to deliver a calf, unless she

> was your only cow, and that she was sick previously,

> and you wanted to steal her first milk, because you

> are bald...lol

>

>

> --- Carol Ann wrote:

>

> > Hi Tom,

> > The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know

> > people who use Colostrum.

> > If such products are taken from cattle that

> receive

> > additional hormones, antibiotics, steroids etc.

> > aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the

> same.

> > Is there a difference between Organic milk and

> non

> > Organic dairy products, if so would there be a

> > difference in Colostrum quality as well?

> >

> > TIA

> >

> > F T wrote: Tia

> >

> > The last part of my reply back to Donna, was meant

> > only as a joke.. I found it funny, that she gave

> me

> > contact info, for acquireing something I routinely

> > am

> > around.

> >

> > Tom

> >

> >

> > --- Carol Ann wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > May I ask.........about Antibiotics? Are your

> > cows

> > > treated regularily or similar to , a

> > purveyor

> > > of Organic fed cattle.

> > >

> > > TIA.

> > >

> > > F T wrote:

> > > Hello Donna

> > >

> > > Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I

> also

> > > raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking

> > > about

> > > first milk from a human, or from a cow. We

> > always

> > > make sure newborn calves are never deprived of

> > first

> > > calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of

> colostrum

> > > use

> > > for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

>

> > >

> > > Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to

> > contact

> > > me, for colostrum.

> > >

> > > Tom

> > > --- CountryGirl wrote:

> > >

> > > > Hi Tom

> > > >

> > > > The ranchers collect it in the first six hours

> > > after

> > > > calving. The cow produces about 5 gallons of

> > > > colostrum. The calf only drinks about one

> > gallon.

> > >

> > > > The rest is saved for agricultural use and for

> > > human

> > > > use.

> > > >

> > > > It is dried and comes in powder form. Once or

> > > twice

> > > > a day is the general use. 3-6 caps or 1 1/2

> tsp

> > > to

> > > > 3 tsp.

> > > >

> > > > The duration would be up to the individuals

> > > personal

> > > > experience and budget.

> > > >

> > > > You can contact me off list for pricing.

> > > > Regards

> > > > Donna

> > > > http://www.excellentthings.com

> > > > http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

> > > > 10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

> > > > Re: hair loss

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Donna

> > > >

> > > > You mention that the collection of closterum

> > is

> > > > better

> > > > within the first 6 hours. My question is,

> > just

> > > > where

> > > > do you go to collect it? Meaning, from a

> > fresh

> > > > cow

> > > > or? from a fresh lady? LOL

> > > >

> > > > Plus, how do you go about administering?

> > > Drinking

> > > > how

> > > > much? how often, for how long?

> > > >

> > > > Tom

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Chuckle.

Well, I don't know about Nebraska, but in Oregon we frown on milking women.

Well, actually, now that I think about it, I think there is actually a mother's

milk bank here, so. . .

Anyway, funny man. . .smile. . .contact me off list, if you do have powdered

colostrum available. Liquid just doesn't work for shipping and storage, etc.

Blessings

Donna

Re: hair loss

Hello Donna

Thank you Donna. I am from Nebraska, and I also

raise cattle. I wasnt sure if you were talking about

first milk from a human, or from a cow. We always

make sure newborn calves are never deprived of first

calf milk.(colostrum) I never heard of colostrum use

for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

Speaking of deals? Maybe you would like to contact

me, for colostrum.

Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol Ann,

Not sure if your question was for Tom (also known as funny man.) ImmuneTree's

colostrum is Organic and certified free of anti biotics, hormones, pesticides

and mad cow.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

Re: hair loss

Hi Tom,

The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know people who use Colostrum.

If such products are taken from cattle that receive additional hormones,

antibiotics, steroids etc. aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the same.

[Guest guest]

Oh yeh! On the baldness. . .men bald as they age. Reverse your age and you can

reverse baldness (for some men, not all). Colostrum revereses age to a great

degree. Not only does it have growth hormone in it and igf-1, it also has

epithelial growth factor in it. That is growth factor that relates specifically

to the skin. This is possibly part of why it helps with baldness, as hair

follicles live in the skin.

But the main reason, from what I understand, has to do with hormones. It

restores a man's hormones to more youthful levels, which has an effect on hair

growth.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

Re: hair loss

Hello Donna

I never heard of colostrum use

for male pattern baldness, until I read it here.

Tom

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom,

Donna's right. You are funny.

On the male baldness theme, I've always heard it is inherited though

the mother. So if baldness runs on the mother's side of the family,

her sons will more than likely become bald. So they say.

Also, don't know if you are just being funny or didn't realize it,

but when Carol ended her post with TIA, that's computer lingo

for 'thanks in advance'. But Tia is a nice name, in and of itself.

It's just not Carol Ann's name. But did notice she answered to it

anyway. lol

Gail

-- In oxyplus , F T <caine_mutiny@...> wrote:

>

> This is my theory, for that. I surely would become

> more active, and try to get as much oxygen in my blood

> stream as possible. Because I believe that male

> pattern baldness and heart disease, is a combination

> of 2 things.

> 1. As we get older our metabolism slows down, and?

> 2. Our body begins to deposit excess fat in other

> places than just our gut. Like along our hairline, and

> our heart vessels. I think some people, like myself

> included, begin to deposit fat in the hairline. Inside

> veins. Therefore our hair follicle is being deprived

> of less blood, and less blood carries less oxygen, and

> less nutrients. Less oxygen means less reactions.

> Oxygen is vital for breaking down, just about

> anything. Fat is good source of Carbon. You breath

> out Carbon when you exhale.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Donna,

Thanks. Yes, it was the gist of my inquiry. Especially, since you indicate

that there is a hormome relationship. Thanks for clarifying about your product

in particular.

Carol Ann

CountryGirl <ruthful@...> wrote: Hi Carol Ann,

Not sure if your question was for Tom (also known as funny man.) ImmuneTree's

colostrum is Organic and certified free of anti biotics, hormones, pesticides

and mad cow.

Blessings

Donna

http://www.excellentthings.com

http://www.goodhealth.nu\us\1387/

10% Discount on first order with ID#1387

Re: hair loss

Hi Tom,

The reason I asked, not in just, is because I know people who use Colostrum.

If such products are taken from cattle that receive additional hormones,

antibiotics, steroids etc. aren't those who ingest it also ingesting the same.