New to the group

[Guest guest]

Welcome Debbie...we won't think your nuts here!

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

<A HREF= " http://www.theforgotten.com/vaccines/ " > Vaccine Information</A>

[Guest guest]

Welcome to " Locks R US " group! My son is now 17 and rarely runs away -

although he takes social saunters out an unlocked door now and again. And I

still panic because he is not street safe. But it has been almost 5 years

since I have had a full policeforce search out for him - only to have him

come back on his own just as it was getting dark out and the cops were

starting a door to door search! SO>>>>>>my suggestions are as follows:

Get a lock cover for the car seat belt. There are a few on the market -

Safety First has one that is like the locking cap on a medicine bottle.

There are a few others. And I had one on the seatbelt for the school bus as

well. We also took the handles off the backseat of our car so windows could

not be opened from the inside and used the child locks to keep the doors

locked.

We have locks on our doors but more important is the magnetic alarms we

installed on all outside doors. They have 110 decibal alarm if the door is

opened by our son. And it is a pain with other kids, but it is safer.

We also set a motion detector at night so if Elie wanders downstairs the

alarm goes off. We also have cow bells, camel bells, navy bells on every

door so if they are opened I will know it. We installed a 4 foot high gate

at the top of our stairs closed with heavy velcro which has a different

distinctive bell to give me a heads up if he heads down stairs. I figure

overkill is better then one dead child. And I instantly know which door has

been entered and usually by which person by how much noise the bells make!

Some have a delay mechanism on them. Radio shack has a good selection of

magnetic alarm locks. We put snaffle bit locks on our gates for our fenced

yard. Elie doesn't have the thumb strength to open those and we are not

teaching him that skill. Otherwise, combination locks work.

No thief with any sense would try to get in here.

Happy alarms to you.

Sara - Choose to make lemonade, not complain about the lemons.

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Wow, Sara, what a musical house you have!! smile.

Diane

>

> From: " sara cohen " <pastmidvale@...>

> Date: 2003/05/30 Fri PM 08:36:32 EDT

>

> Subject: Re: New to the group

>

> Welcome to " Locks R US " group!

[Guest guest]

>Hi . I also have an 11 year old daughter, Kelsey, and Ty who's

9 and is 7 with DS. I suspected autism a few years ago, but

after much research have found her to have other things. She's doing

great now so if you want to hear more about that, let me know.

About the seat belt....... never got out. But she did wander

ALOT!!! We also have locks up high on all the doors and locks on the

gates. But now at 7, she is so much better. For her, she didn't

have to wait until 12, Thank God! I don't think she was ever running

away either, I think she always had someplace in mind that she was

going to. She just didn't bother to tell anyone where that was!

She's so much better now! Just today she got her helmet and came

outside to find me and said that she wanted to ride her horse. A

year ago, if she'd have been able to get outside by herself, I'd have

found her in the corral with the horses by herself.

Good luck with everything and welcome to the group.

Hi everyone,

>

> My name is Traci and I am mom to 4 beautiful children, the youngest

> of which (4 yo) has ds and, although not formally diagnosed, has

many

> autistic symptoms as well. I am so excited about this group! i

have

> so many questions-I hope y'all don't get annoyed at me. I'll start

> with two of my biggest concerns-1. How do you keep them in a

> seatbelt or carseat? 2. What do you do about running away? I've

had

> 2 close calls already. One involving the police at midnight,and

I'm

> desperate! The policeman actually said to me, " Do you have any idea

> why he would want to run away? " We have 2 locks up high on our

doors,

> and locks on the fences outside, but his fine motor skills are just

> too good for that to stop him! Any ideas anybody?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Traci-mom to -11, Kaleb-7, McKaylah-5, and Garrett-4 ds,

> suspected autism

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/30/2003 7:44:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

shoewoman32@... writes:

> I am so excited about this group! i have

> so many questions-I hope y'all don't get annoyed at me. I'll start

> with two of my biggest concerns-1. How do you keep them in a

> seatbelt or carseat? 2. What do you do about running away?

Never get annoyed at questions here Traci!! Welcome to the group. We use

the gorilla car seat for Maddie (9, DS and autism). I got it out of a

special needs catalog and it was very very expensive, but I got funding for it

through our FDSS $$. It has two shoulder locks that buckle down between the

legs and one that goes across the chest. It goes up to 120 pounds. Before

that, she ALWAYS used to get out of car seats. It's funny, but recently we

didn't have the seat and we buckled her in the back in a regular seat belt, and

she sat perfectly the whole ride..we were shocked!!

As far as running away, we put up a fence around our house (useless) and keep

all doors locked (WITH a key). I also put those child-proof knobs on our

handles where you have to push two buttons down to open the door (most adults

that visit us can't figure it out...LOL) I put up signs at the doors saying

*LOCK DOOR* and our four other kids are very diligent about locking behind them

(they know the terror of losing Maddie well). Also, all of our neighbors

know that if they ever see Maddie outside without one of us to immediately pick

her up and bring her home (one has done this for us).

<< I have told our family and friends that they need not worry about buying

Garrett anymore vtech toys.  Their good intentions are somehow wasted when he

just pushes the same button " Dog " , 20 million times a day.>>

Traci, I just tell everyone to get Maddie a ball type gift. Why waste

money on anything else when balls are all she wants (or bubbles). Often they

buy her something that looks very *danglable*....LOL

<<Oh, and also it is imperative to have the movie Shrek "   playing on the tv

at all times. >>

Yep, Barney and ONLY Barney here. Although she is starting to watch Shrek.

<<His eyelash count is swiftly dwindling, since he pulls them when he is

bored or nervous, and the skin on the tips of his fingers is totally gone

because

he bites it off for the same reasons as he pulls his eyelashes out.>>

Maddie doesn't do that kind of thing, but does have pica, so we have to hide

soap and candles, her obsessions. She also climbs like crazy, even people!!

We've had to build a plexi-glass/wood contraption in our hall stairwell to

keep her from diving over (everybody on the list already knows my roof-walking

and rail climbing stories) We recently started Maddie on meds (risperdal)

for behaviors, but it hasn't effected the pica. However, we are noticing a

much more lucid kid and she is communicating better than ever (she is

non-verbal). I hope you find some answers to these behaviors......either

way,

welcome again!!!! You're gonna like it here..;-)

Donna

[Guest guest]

Adele, both my sons have allergies. My youngest who's four, had an

allergic reaction to the prevnar vaccine.

You do not have to see a reaction to a vaccine. They can still cause

damage. There is a list on called . Many of the

parents on this list haven't seen vaccine reactions in their

children. The preservative thimerosal (mercury) is causing

neurological problems. This is why the recommendation to take it out

was made. Our mainstream medical professionals will test for mercury

through blood. The only problem with this is, it will only show up

for a recent exposure, as in days. Mercury will go into organs, and

can cross the Blood Brain Barrier. Many parents are chelating their

children to get the mercury out.

I know of two other Moms on this list that have a lot of knowledge on

this issue , and a. If you are interested in the recent

studies on this, let me know, and I or others on the list will post

them.

I started this journey after my son's reaction three years ago. I am

learning something new everyday. Just take it slow, and if there is

something you don't understand, just ask!

Hope I helped somewhat.

PA

> Thanks for your relply. This problem I am having is that I do not

believe my son had any reaction at all to vaccines at the time they

were given. He never got as much as a local reaction or fever. I

always stayed up the night watching him as I was concerned about this

and he never had a reaction. Does he have to have a reaction such as

crying, local skin reaction, fever, to have been effected. I am so

confused and I feel my head is full of stuff and I have to sit back

and sort all of this out. I still do not understand what I am reading

and I need to take some time to really read through and understand

what is going on. Thanks

> Adele

[Guest guest]

Same here with me, Adele!

Probably a case of Info over load plus a heavy work

load at the same time!

But did have a fever after the hep B jebs, and

even DTP (Polio, Titanius and D..something!). She's

been vaccine free since 6 mths. I'm delaying other

jabs for as long as possible till I get all these

figured out. As parents, we can only so do much to

protect our little ones.

Winnie (in Singapore)

--- Adele Reilly <willyburu@...> wrote: > Thanks

for your relply. This problem I am having is

> that I do not believe my son had any reaction at all

> to vaccines at the time they were given. He never

> got as much as a local reaction or fever. I always

> stayed up the night watching him as I was concerned

> about this and he never had a reaction. Does he

> have to have a reaction such as crying, local skin

> reaction, fever, to have been effected. I am so

> confused and I feel my head is full of stuff and I

> have to sit back and sort all of this out. I still

> do not understand what I am reading and I need to

> take some time to really read through and understand

> what is going on. Thanks

> Adele

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Randy and welcome aboard -- you'll find us a chatty, supportive and wild

bunch! I wish you luck in getting you ducks in a row as you get ready for your

surgery date!

Hugs and blessings, Ann

[Guest guest]

Hi Randy and Welcome!! My name is and I actually work at Delano

Regional in Administration. I'm a native Missourian transplanted to

CA..does that count?

[Guest guest]

,

Glad to hear from you. I bet you don't mis this weather! Hot and

HUMID! Plus tonight we have tornados all over!

Randy

> Hi Randy and Welcome!! My name is and I actually work at

Delano Regional in Administration. I'm a native Missourian

transplanted to CA..does that count?

[Guest guest]

Hi Randy,

I am from Wisconsin and had my surgery on May 14th. I really didn't need a

support person while in the hospital. (My husband got a bit bored watching

me sleep) But when I moved to the hotel I really needed my mom, who took

over as caretaker. I was also really glad she was there for the flight

home. I was also alone the week before the surgery (required for

out-of-staters).

I hope this helps. If you have any other question about being an

out-of-stater - please ask.

DS on May 14th

Down 30 lbs - wishing it was more.

New to the group

> Hello all........ My name is Randy from Minnesota and I am new to the

> group. I am planning on having my revision from a failed VBG done in

> Iowa City 5 years ago to a GRDS on Aug 25th. I just got back from a

> pre-op meeting with Dr. K. I was so impressed with his staff and the

> help that he personaly was with putting questions my wife had at

> ease. My wife is an RN and I work as a Deputy Sheriff as well as

> operating a couple of home based businesses, so we keep real busy. I

> am insured with BC/BS of Minnesota and so far so good. I am very

> impresed with how quick the staff is to answer any questions. I

> guess my only concern at this point is going to be getting to CA and

> back on my on. My wife can not afford to take that much time off so

> I will be staying in Las Vegas with my brother. That also means I

> will need to find a support person to stay with me in the hotel after

> getting out of the hospital. I was able to meet some people in the

> Las Vegas support group and they were a great source of info. I look

> forward to learning more as my date gets closer.

>

> Are there any member on here from the midwest?????

>

> Randy

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi Randy,

>

> I am from Wisconsin and had my surgery on May 14th. I really

didn't need a

> support person while in the hospital. (My husband got a bit bored

watching

> me sleep) But when I moved to the hotel I really needed my mom,

who took

> over as caretaker. I was also really glad she was there for the

flight

> home. I was also alone the week before the surgery (required for

> out-of-staters).

>

> I hope this helps. If you have any other question about being an

> out-of-stater - please ask.

>

> DS on May 14th

> Down 30 lbs - wishing it was more.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

,

Down 30lbs and had surgery May 14th?? I think you have done

GREAT in a short 1mth 11 days!!!!

Don't beat yourself down and look at what others have done.

We are ALL different,please remember that.

YOU ARE DOING GREAT!!!!!

LOL, wishing you all the best and God bless

Pat in Taft

[Guest guest]

Hi Randy... Just wanted to say hello and welcome

--Kym in Seattle

Down 130

DS 6/5/02

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the supportive words. My husband is saying the same thing. I

know you are right, but I am just so afraid of my life long weight loss

failure that this too will fail. I just need to take it one day at a time

and quite beating myself up with my overachieving ways.

Thanks again for the support,

Re: New to the group

>

> > Hi Randy,

> >

> > I am from Wisconsin and had my surgery on May 14th. I really

> didn't need a

> > support person while in the hospital. (My husband got a bit bored

> watching

> > me sleep) But when I moved to the hotel I really needed my mom,

> who took

> > over as caretaker. I was also really glad she was there for the

> flight

> > home. I was also alone the week before the surgery (required for

> > out-of-staters).

> >

> > I hope this helps. If you have any other question about being an

> > out-of-stater - please ask.

> >

> > DS on May 14th

> > Down 30 lbs - wishing it was more.

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ,

> Down 30lbs and had surgery May 14th?? I think you have done

> GREAT in a short 1mth 11 days!!!!

> Don't beat yourself down and look at what others have done.

> We are ALL different,please remember that.

> YOU ARE DOING GREAT!!!!!

> LOL, wishing you all the best and God bless

> Pat in Taft

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for the supportive words. My husband is saying the same

thing. I know you are right, but I am just so afraid of my life

long weight loss failure that this too will fail. I just need to

take it one day at a time and quite beating myself up with my

overachieving ways.

>

> Thanks again for the support,

>

Hi

You are perfectly normal. There are a plethera of us out here that

feel the same way you do. We all have " failed " many diets and

cannot believe that this is really going to work for us. But

believe it. This will work for you. 30 lbs in one month is huge!

That is a lot! Dr K says that he expects an average of 10 lbs a

month, so dont sweat it, you are ahead of the game, and way ahead of

where I was at 1 mo out. So relax and enjoy the ride. That is 30

lbs that you will never see again! Never! Believe it.

Dr K also told me that when we morbidly obese diet, we dont fail,

but our bodies fail us. Our metabolism is out of whack and we store

way to much and burn way to little, and of course our diets are

doomed to fail. We tho- are not failures. We kept trying till we

found the answer, and we used it. We are successes! Yea!

So dont get down, and dont compare yourself with others. (it is not

healthy, I did it and it drove me crazy, as I was/am a slower looser-

not only did it drive me crazy, but it drove my firend ~amy~ crazy

too)

Keep your chin up and keep doing what you are doing,

Sharon in Onyx

-143 lbs

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon. I am planning to be online in 12 - 18 months helping other

newbies through and being able to have a -100 plus pounds after my name.

Where do we find the brain surgeon to make the necessary changes in our

heads?

Thanks for your helpful advice,

Re: New to the group

>

> > Thanks for the supportive words. My husband is saying the same

> thing. I know you are right, but I am just so afraid of my life

> long weight loss failure that this too will fail. I just need to

> take it one day at a time and quite beating myself up with my

> overachieving ways.

> >

> > Thanks again for the support,

> >

>

>

> Hi

> You are perfectly normal. There are a plethera of us out here that

> feel the same way you do. We all have " failed " many diets and

> cannot believe that this is really going to work for us. But

> believe it. This will work for you. 30 lbs in one month is huge!

> That is a lot! Dr K says that he expects an average of 10 lbs a

> month, so dont sweat it, you are ahead of the game, and way ahead of

> where I was at 1 mo out. So relax and enjoy the ride. That is 30

> lbs that you will never see again! Never! Believe it.

> Dr K also told me that when we morbidly obese diet, we dont fail,

> but our bodies fail us. Our metabolism is out of whack and we store

> way to much and burn way to little, and of course our diets are

> doomed to fail. We tho- are not failures. We kept trying till we

> found the answer, and we used it. We are successes! Yea!

> So dont get down, and dont compare yourself with others. (it is not

> healthy, I did it and it drove me crazy, as I was/am a slower looser-

> not only did it drive me crazy, but it drove my firend ~amy~ crazy

> too)

> Keep your chin up and keep doing what you are doing,

> Sharon in Onyx

> -143 lbs

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Randy,

I'm Jan from Indiana. My doctor was Hess from Bowling Green, OH, but they

let me hang around here also. My husband and I were just in Vegas. I was

talking to my slot host about my surgery and she was telling me that her

husband was obese, so could I give her all the info. I told her of Dr K and

of this web site, so he may be lurking as I type. If so, I hope May's

husband jumps in with any questions he may have.

Good luck Randy.

>From: " thezoostore " <thezoostore@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: New to the group

>Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2003 22:16:51 -0000

>

>Hello all........ My name is Randy from Minnesota and I am new to the

>group. I am planning on having my revision from a failed VBG done in

>Iowa City 5 years ago to a GRDS on Aug 25th. I just got back from a

>pre-op meeting with Dr. K. I was so impressed with his staff and the

>help that he personaly was with putting questions my wife had at

>ease. My wife is an RN and I work as a Deputy Sheriff as well as

>operating a couple of home based businesses, so we keep real busy. I

>am insured with BC/BS of Minnesota and so far so good. I am very

>impresed with how quick the staff is to answer any questions. I

>guess my only concern at this point is going to be getting to CA and

>back on my on. My wife can not afford to take that much time off so

>I will be staying in Las Vegas with my brother. That also means I

>will need to find a support person to stay with me in the hotel after

>getting out of the hospital. I was able to meet some people in the

>Las Vegas support group and they were a great source of info. I look

>forward to learning more as my date gets closer.

>

>Are there any member on here from the midwest?????

>

>Randy

>

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> Hello all,

>

> I am pretty new to the group, I have spent a little time poking

> around the posts to learn a little and see what goes on here. I have

> been working with essential oils for several years but my main focus

> has been medicinal herbs. I am now trying to learn a little more

> about perfumery.

Hi ....

You didn't give your name, so I can't reply with it, but welcome to

the group. I'm Anya, the group owner/moderator, and I also have a

background in EOs and medicinal herbs (culinary ones, too.)

Herbs are often discussed here for their fragrance properties.

> There are some very interesting posts and some good information and I

> look forward to reading more. I do have one concern however. I

> noticed a whole thread concerning Sandalwood, which I love but dont

> buy anymore due to it's endangered status. There were some very

> inflamatory things said about a couple of companies about knowing

> their oils are adulterated, etc. What I am curious about is this,

> without having a test done to back this up, isn't it dangerous and

> opening yourselves up for a slander suit to make these statements?

> I know there are starting to be cases coming up about this concerning

> internet liable.

We are all within our rights under the First Amendment to discuss

whatever supplier or perfumer or book or store, or whatever. Yes,

there are cases coming up about internet 'libel' but that is when

websites are created to destroy someone's business. And since the

cases haven't even been heard yet, no reason to get your shorts in a

knot. It's a non-issue.

> I have had good and bad experiences with a number of companies and I

> believe we should have the freedom to express our opinions, but it

> scares me to think that a blanket statement like some of the ones I

> read here could put someone in legal trouble. I also am wondering

> why a group would encourage this.

Obviously you haven't bene on the internet long, or you haven't

frequented newsgroups or lists or . You really have

nothing to worry about. You also have no reason to 'wonder why a group

would encourage this', as people discuss things, and to stop the

discussion, other than for flaming other members of the group would be

fraught with control issues, it's isn't done.

Feel free to ask about perfumery in your future posts, and try to

relax and not worry about stuff. We're all adults and can look out for

ourselves.

Anya

http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady

[Guest guest]

-- new to the group

howdy everyone, my name is

I am moving to Brooklyn, NY in 2 1/2 weeks-I'm getting married August

30!

Hi ,

Congratulations on your impending wedding and welcome to the group from

another Brooklynite. I am fairly new here and to Natural Perfumery so I don

t have any blending suggestions for you. I am also a new soaper and can

probably help out a little more there when you are ready.

Glad to meet you.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Welcome Suzanne!!! Wow what a vaccine story! Its funny the nurses really " get

it " doctors have a much harder time!!! Hmmmm why is that????

All the best,

" Parents should decide through informed choice, which vaccines if any should

be

given to their children "

Vaccine Information

[Guest guest]

Welcome Suzanne. I, too, am (was) an RN. I can identify with what you went

through. My 2 children were fully vaxed until 3 years ago when I started

researching the dangers of vaccinations after our puppy had a reaction to his

shots. My kids are now 12 and 14. I got a religious exemption for them this

year(they've missed their 11 year old tetanus booster so far.) We live in

Kentucky where there is no philosophical exemption unfortunately.

We haven't been to a doctor in over a year since we now use homeopathy

exclusively, so our doctor doesn't know of our decision. I have no doubt we'd

get the same reaction from her as you did from your doctor. But that's quite

alright. They wouldn't be the ones taking care of a vaccine damaged child 24/7

would they?

You've come to a great list! Again, welcome.

Kay

New to the Group

Hi! I'm new to this group. My name is Suzanne and I am a mother of 4

children. The first is fully vaccinated ;( The second up to age three and the

third up to 9 mo. and the fourth, born at home and not a vaccine has come near

her!

I first became interested in the issue of vaccination about 18 mos. ago when

talking to a friend about the drug industry. I'm not sure how we got on the

subject (we are both RN's) but he began to tell me what was in vaccines

(thimerosol, phenol, formaldehyde, aluminum etc...). I thought he was nuts but

I began to do some research and was just sick with what I've read. I felt like

I was in Nazi Germany during the war and panicked about what was I going to do

if I refused vaccination.

I live in Ohio and thankfully there is a philosophical exemption here but I

felt my best defense would be to get educated. This is such a difficult subject

and so hard to understand. My oldest, I feel may have a form of ADD. I am RH

negative and of course the rhogam they give pregnant women at 28 weeks to

prevent RH sensitization had mercury in it. Nothing worse than exposing your

fetus to mercury! Not to mention I wouldn't eat tuna for fear of mercury

exposure! I feel so betrayed by our system, yet blessed that my children

haven't contracted some debilitating illness due to vaccines.

When I took my children into their pediatrician for routine visits, I told

them I no longer wanted vaccinations and cited my reasons. The doctor went

bullistics on my and told me that she would no longer see my children! She told

me she felt sorry for my children! I only feel sorry for all of the children

that she has maimed and the ones she will kill in the future!

I feel like a fool, having held my children down for all of those vaccines.

It is the biggest regret in my life! I can only pray that they do not incur any

damage from what they have been given so far. I am so angry to read about all

of the beautiful little children who have been killed or debilitated by vaccines

and how the government protects the vaccine industry! This is insane! You

cannot say you live in a free society when there are laws that say you have to

be injected with something because it's for the good of everyone!

It is my desire to become as educated as possible to prevent future badgering

of myself and my family.

Suzanne

Akron, OH

[Guest guest]

welcome here, suzanne,

> I first became interested in the issue of

> vaccination about 18 mos. ago when talking to a

> friend about the drug industry. I'm not sure how we

> got on the subject (we are both RN's) but he began

> to tell me what was in vaccines (thimerosol, phenol,

> formaldehyde, aluminum etc...). I thought he was

> nuts but I began to do some research and was just

> sick with what I've read.

wow, my hat off to you! not many RN's have the guts to

look into this issue.

> I felt like I was in Nazi

> Germany during the war and panicked about what was I

> going to do if I refused vaccination.

yep. i'm just reading a book (in german) that actually

tells how nazi germany was a major source for today's

way of the allopathic establishment...

> I am RH

> negative and of course the rhogam they give pregnant

> women at 28 weeks to prevent RH sensitization had

> mercury in it. Nothing worse than exposing your

> fetus to mercury!

yes, i totally agree! i'm rh- as well. during my first

pregnancy i didn't know i could refuse any shots, so

allowed them. :-( by the time i was again pregnant,

about 7 years later, i refused every " test " and

" treatment " , to the point of threatening legal action

if anything was done against my will. needless to say

the second birth was much easier.

> When I took my children into their pediatrician for

> routine visits, I told them I no longer wanted

> vaccinations and cited my reasons. The doctor went

> ballistic on me and told me that she would no

> longer see my children!

i guess that's a blessing! you wouldn't want a doctor

who doesn't agree with your views. besides, if your

kids have a decent diet, are not vaxxed or otherwise

interfered with (antibiotics, steroids and the like),

you're highly unlikely to ever need a " doctor " (read

brainwashed robot who doesn't have a clue how to

heal)...

> I feel like a fool, having held my children down for

> all of those vaccines. It is the biggest regret in

> my life!

don't we all! us fools who were not awake enough by

the time we had little treasures! the good thing is,

we've learned and are still learning.

> I can only pray that they do not incur any

> damage from what they have been given so far. I am

> so angry to read about all of the beautiful little

> children who have been killed or debilitated by

> vaccines and how the government protects the vaccine

> industry! This is insane! You cannot say you live

> in a free society when there are laws that say you

> have to be injected with something because it's for

> the good of everyone!

no, we certainly don't live in a free society, but

there are ways we can free ourselves. :-)

www.educate-yourself.org gives a lot of inspiration.

> It is my desire to become as educated as possible to

> prevent future badgering of myself and my family.

i love seeing other activists on this list!

:-)

claudia

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> Hi! I'm new to this group. My name is Suzanne and I am a mother

of 4 children.

Welcome!!

> I live in Ohio and thankfully there is a philosophical exemption

here but I felt my best defense would be to get educated.>

I live in Washington State and we too have a philosophical

exemption. It's amazing though how few people know about it --

everyone is always asking how I get my kids in to school without

shots. When I tell them I just sign my name on a dotted line saying

I choose not to get my kids vaccinated they are stunned at how easy

it is.

>>I am RH negative and of course the rhogam they give pregnant women

at 28 weeks to prevent RH sensitization had mercury in it.>>

Yeah, I had those shots too. Was not too crazy about it, but then

again, I didn't know then what I know now

> The doctor went bullistics on my and told me that she would no

longer see my children!>

Sorry that happened So far my pediatricians haven't really said

much. I think they've noted it in my kids' charts that I don't

vaccinate them, so they don't even mention it (or haven't in the last

couple years anyway...)

> I feel like a fool, having held my children down for all of those

vaccines.>

I hear you! Only my oldest has had any -- we went up to 15 months --

but I so know how you feel!! When I hear about my friends taking

their kids in for shots I just cringe and my guts twist and I want to

scream, " Do you know what you are doing?! " The few times I've said

anything about not doing shots people look at me like I'm nuts and

some have actually shunned me because of it. I also didn't

circumcise my son...that's always a shocker to a lot of people too -

LOL

Again...welcome!!

Britt

Mom to (5/97)

Alison and Casey (7/99)

[Guest guest]

>I hear you! Only my oldest has had any -- we went up to 15 months --

>but I so know how you feel!! When I hear about my friends taking

>their kids in for shots I just cringe and my guts twist and I want to

>scream, " Do you know what you are doing?! " The few times I've said

>anything about not doing shots people look at me like I'm nuts and

>some have actually shunned me because of it. I also didn't

>circumcise my son...that's always a shocker to a lot of people too -

>LOL

>

Amen

And in relation to circ - I told my sweetie over here in Wales that most

boys were circ'd in the US and he was shocked (people over her in UK and

Europe, just aren't). He said why, unless there's a problem..............

Its amazing how brainwashed a culture can get.

And no big flu vax push here either in Wales

Sheri

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on 26/12/03 6:34 am, Sheri Nakken at vaccineinfo@... wrote:

> And in relation to circ - I told my sweetie over here in Wales that most

> boys were circ'd in the US and he was shocked (people over her in UK and

> Europe, just aren't). He said why, unless there's a problem..............

One of my American patients recently mentioned this and I was very surprised

(never knew this, not in Asia either) and puzzled. What's the % of

circumcised men? And the reason??? Is it the same reason why americans

remove their wisdom teeth as soon as they appear? (to avoid future dental

problems)

Ching Yee