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so i cannot do the gogreen because i cannot hook up the water system

properly.

i cannot do the freshlife because i cannot change the water every day.

and i cannot do the easygreen because it is too noisy.

any suggestions??

i need a real automatic one, no maintenance, no sound, no hookups.

cleanup once in a while.

maybe im just too ill for it to work anyway. some of my doctors give

me a 10% chance to live. quite a number of hospitals have told me

they cannot help me. i have hoped that sprouts, and their juice

could be a major factor in getting well.

thanks,

> > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> >

> > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> >

> > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

informative.

> >

> > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > appreciated.

> >

> > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

and

> > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> >

> > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> other

> > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by

not

> > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> >

> > Also, just curious:

> > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > Did it taste good?

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Joyce

> Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

>

>

>

>

>

> Sunshine makes the flowers dance.

> Anon.

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I think your best bet is to find a local grower, and purchase them just like

you would any produce. Here's one that ships:

http://www.sungrownorganics.com/ Here is one that does organics, including

wheatgrass, covering east coast & colorado (two different divisions)

http://www.doortodoororganics.com/ Take a look around and see what you can

find local.

Good luck!

Thia

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM, Schverzhjedzova

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> i need a real automatic one, no maintenance, no sound, no hookups.

> cleanup once in a while.

>

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I agree. I am getting a lot of sprouts, it's easy to clean if you

follow the directions that come with it and you must change the water

daily to avoid murky water. I must have at least half dozen different

sprouting tools/methods, and this is the one I use for the majority

of the time. -- Suze

> > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> >

> > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> >

> > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it informative.

> >

> > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > appreciated.

> >

> > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

and

> > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> >

> > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

other

> > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by not

> > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> >

> > Also, just curious:

> > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > Did it taste good?

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --

> Joyce

> Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

>

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Suze and Joyce,

The problem I have with this is that it requires electricity. I want

a system that works if the grid fails.

EDgar

On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:33 AM, sueko95965 wrote:

> I agree. I am getting a lot of sprouts, it's easy to clean if you

> follow the directions that come with it and you must change the water

> daily to avoid murky water. I must have at least half dozen different

> sprouting tools/methods, and this is the one I use for the majority

> of the time. -- Suze

>

>

> > > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> > >

> > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> > >

> > > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it informative.

> > >

> > > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

> and

> > > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> > >

> > > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> other

> > > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by not

> > > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> > >

> > > Also, just curious:

> > > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > > Did it taste good?

> > >

> > > Thank you!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Joyce

> > Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> > 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> > http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

> >

>

>

>

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some places in this state have no running water and no electricity.

and then there is all the Amish.... which system works best for them?

I have been in their homes, and it is hard to understand how they

could do this. Before I was disabled, I worked in their homes,

caring for their disabled ones. no electricity, no running water, no

indoor plumbing. only buggy travel. I saw them mowing large lawns

with a horse-drawn lawn mower. which automatic sprouter would work

for them?

And some who are not Amish do not have running water or electricity

or indoor plumbing. What should they do?

But as for me, maybe there are answers. I do wish I could see

examples of the various automatic sprouters in person. That would

help me alot.

Best wishes,

> > > > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> > > >

> > > > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

informative.

> > > >

> > > > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come

in,

> > and

> > > > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> > > >

> > > > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> > other

> > > > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > > > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > > > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible

by not

> > > > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> > > >

> > > > Also, just curious:

> > > > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > > > Did it taste good?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Joyce

> > > Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> > > 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> > > http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Check out the EasySprout on SproutPeople.com. No moving parts. No

electricity.

ew

Re: Re: new here

Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:31:28 -0400

Suze and Joyce,

The problem I have with this is that it requires electricity. I want

a system that works if the grid fails.

EDgar

On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:33 AM, sueko95965 wrote:

> I agree. I am getting a lot of sprouts, it's easy to clean if you

> follow the directions that come with it and you must change the

water

> daily to avoid murky water. I must have at least half dozen

different

> sprouting tools/methods, and this is the one I use for the majority

> of the time. -- Suze

>

>

> > > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> > >

> > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> > >

> > > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

informative.

> > >

> > > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > > appreciated.

> > >

> > > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

> and

> > > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> > >

> > > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> other

> > > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by

not

> > > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> > >

> > > Also, just curious:

> > > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > > Did it taste good?

> > >

> > > Thank you!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > Joyce

> > Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> > 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> > http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

> >

>

>

>

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Hi, I'm new here, too.

I LOVE the SproutMaster tray system. I bought a total of six trays, but,

really, for one person, three will probably do. I grow them on a dish

drainer next to the sink. Very easy system to use, and have had good

results with many different seeds.

Ernest Willingham wrote:

>

> Check out the EasySprout on SproutPeople.com. No moving parts. No

> electricity.

> ew

>

> Re: Re: new here

> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:31:28 -0400

>

> Suze and Joyce,

>

> The problem I have with this is that it requires electricity. I want

> a system that works if the grid fails.

>

> EDgar

>

> On Aug 12, 2008, at 2:33 AM, sueko95965 wrote:

>

> > I agree. I am getting a lot of sprouts, it's easy to clean if you

> > follow the directions that come with it and you must change the

> water

> > daily to avoid murky water. I must have at least half dozen

> different

> > sprouting tools/methods, and this is the one I use for the majority

> > of the time. -- Suze

> >

> >

> > > > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> <http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html>

> > > >

> > > > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

> informative.

> > > >

> > > > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

> > and

> > > > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> > > >

> > > > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> > other

> > > > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > > > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > > > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by

> not

> > > > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> > > >

> > > > Also, just curious:

> > > > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > > > Did it taste good?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Joyce

> > > Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> > > 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> > > http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

> <http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm>

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Edgar -- Once again, I have to agree. The EasySprout is the best of

the non-electric sprouters. It's design is so efficient that it might

be something you would like to check out, too, . I have forgotten

to water occasionally and the humidity that is contained in this

little sprouter covers my bad and the sprouts grow fantastically.

Suze

> > > > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> > > >

> > > > http://www.naturalnews.com/z021475.html

> > > >

> > > > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

> informative.

> > > >

> > > > All of your different comments have been very helpful and

are

> > > > appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come

in,

> > and

> > > > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> > > >

> > > > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts

to

> > other

> > > > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > > > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones,

mostly

> > > > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible

by

> not

> > > > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> > > >

> > > > Also, just curious:

> > > > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > > > Did it taste good?

> > > >

> > > > Thank you!

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > > Joyce

> > > Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee.com

> > > 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> > > http://www.airedalerescue.net/a_day_in_the_life/index.htm

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

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Dear ,

 

I wish somebody in your neighbourhood could supply you sprouts. How sad you are

too sick and can't do it yourself. Unfortunately I live far off from you in

India. This could have been a God sent opportunity for me to serve you in such a

critical situation. I am hopeful I could have cured you by Homoeopathic

treatment. Still I advise you to contact a Homoeopath. I am very hopeful for

you. Pray to Him, surrender to Him. He brought you in this world so don't stop

knocking at His door. You will be alright. This is my faith in Him

 

Regards

 

Gkrsna

From: Schverzhjedzova <ahoovahyah@...>

Subject: Re: new here

Date: Monday, August 11, 2008, 7:08 PM

so i cannot do the gogreen because i cannot hook up the water system

properly.

i cannot do the freshlife because i cannot change the water every day.

and i cannot do the easygreen because it is too noisy.

any suggestions? ?

i need a real automatic one, no maintenance, no sound, no hookups.

cleanup once in a while.

maybe im just too ill for it to work anyway. some of my doctors give

me a 10% chance to live. quite a number of hospitals have told me

they cannot help me. i have hoped that sprouts, and their juice

could be a major factor in getting well.

thanks,

> > I found a comparison of automatic sprouters:

> >

> > http://www.naturaln ews.com/z021475. html

> >

> > It was on the one company's website, but I thought it

informative.

> >

> > All of your different comments have been very helpful and are

> > appreciated.

> >

> > So it looks like I may wait just a bit for my money to come in,

and

> > then get the more expensive automatic sprouter.

> >

> > My health needs are such that just sprouting to add sprouts to

> other

> > foods, or to use in sandwiches, will not be enough.

> > I will need to concentrate on the most nutritious ones, mostly

> > juicing to maximize the benefit, but keeping it semi-edible by

not

> > for example sprouting only garlic for the juice.

> >

> > Also, just curious:

> > Anybody sprout tomato seed?

> > Did it taste good?

> >

> > Thank you!

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Joyce

> Dallas TX IACP 1834 www.dearjubilee. com

> 2008 ATCA Rescue & Adoption Fundraiser Quilt:

> http://www.airedale rescue.net/ a_day_in_ the_life/ index.htm

>

>

>

>

>

> Sunshine makes the flowers dance.

> Anon.

>

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Welcome Genny,

Where are you at in Wisconsin? I am in Beloit. I am also fairly new

to this group, but they are a very nice and informative. You will

learn lots. I have been in the soap business for a long time and

joined the group to keep fresh on any new ideas or products on the

market. There are just not enough hours in the day to read

everything, and groups like this provide a lot of answers in a quick,

easy to understand fashion.

Tina

www.3wishessoap.com

always strive to be someone more!

>

> Hi Everyone,

> I'm new here and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's Genny Felix

> and I live in WI with my hubby, 3 little girls and our dachshund. I'm

> new to creating Bath products, I've been doing it for about 6 months,

> but I've wanted to do it since forever. It is very addictive. I look

> forward to getting to know everyone, learning and sharing ideas.

> Thank you,

> Genny

>

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Thanks for the nice welcome, Tina. I'm in Eau . I really like

your site, it's very cute. Is that your husband's paintings? They are

so beautiful.

Thanks

Genny

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > I'm new here and thought I'd introduce myself. My name's Genny

Felix

> > and I live in WI with my hubby, 3 little girls and our dachshund.

I'm

> > new to creating Bath products, I've been doing it for about 6

months,

> > but I've wanted to do it since forever. It is very addictive. I

look

> > forward to getting to know everyone, learning and sharing ideas.

> > Thank you,

> > Genny

> >

>

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Yes, Genny those are my husbands paintings. He is very talented. We

are currently trying to get all of his artwork on cd's. The doctors

believe he has ALS, so his artistic days might be coming to a close.

He has already had to give up hunting, fishing and playing the guitar,

so I am hoping he can hang on to his artwork abilities for a bit

longer. Thank you for the compliment about my web site. My site is a

work in progress. I recently switched from to weebly, so I am

not completely done with building the site yet.

Tina

www.3wishessoap.com

always strive to be someone more.

>

> Thanks for the nice welcome, Tina. I'm in Eau . I really like

> your site, it's very cute. Is that your husband's paintings? They are

> so beautiful.

> Thanks

> Genny

>

>

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Hi,

I home-schooled two daughters and now my youngest child who would probably be labeled aspergers today (PDD in the past but I believe autistic at his worst times) so he is doing much better. He is very social, active with a black belt in taekwondo and now doing very well in boxing. He is now 13 and we did so many biological treatments that I cannot name them all now but I think it was very important that he had two patient, older sisters and that I brought in people to work with him - play theapy when he was little and some tutoring and social interactive facilitators. Sounds complicated but it's just mostly playing dumb, getting them to talk, respond and interact.

I think all of our kids should be home-schooled but just make sure that if you can, find young people that are great with kids to help you with play and social interaction, such as high school students that are very active and preferably animated. One of matthew's best play therapists ever was a 16 year old dislexic boy that played with him but could get him to talk more than any of us. I paid him $6 an hour and that was about 7 or 8 years ago so today you could probably find that for maybe $8 or so an hour, depending on where you live. Debbie

From: krystismom <krystismom@...>Autism and Aspergers Treatment Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:18:45 PMSubject: new here

Hi, I just found this group a couple days ago. I'm Kiara, and I'm a single homeschooling mom to 8 1/2 yo Krystina, who has recently been suggested to be Aspergers by her psychologist. The doctor is awaiting some more data before making a formal diagnosis, but according to what she's told me and what I've researched on my own, it seems to be a perfect fit. Krystina can be a very difficult child to parent, and really has always been. She's always been very moody, emotional, high strung and defiant. Socially she's always been different, painfully shy in some settings and refusing to participate in others. I think for the first time, I'm beginning to understand the WHY, even if I don't yet know what the best response is. It's been such a relief to have a NAME for the quirkiness, and to be able to simply explain it to others. I know that some are averse to labels, but I find it helpful as an

identifier if nothing else. Anyhow, I look forward to learning and sharing with others who are going through similar trials as well as sharing in the joys that these children no doubt bring to us.

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Just be aware that Asperger's is typically found in boys.

From: krystismom <krystismom@...>Subject: new hereAutism and Aspergers Treatment Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 1:18 PM

Hi, I just found this group a couple days ago. I'm Kiara, and I'm a single homeschooling mom to 8 1/2 yo Krystina, who has recently been suggested to be Aspergers by her psychologist. The doctor is awaiting some more data before making a formal diagnosis, but according to what she's told me and what I've researched on my own, it seems to be a perfect fit. Krystina can be a very difficult child to parent, and really has always been. She's always been very moody, emotional, high strung and defiant. Socially she's always been different, painfully shy in some settings and refusing to participate in others. I think for the first time, I'm beginning to understand the WHY, even if I don't yet know what the best response is. It's been such a relief to have a NAME for the quirkiness, and to be able to simply explain it to others. I know that some are averse to labels, but I find it helpful as an

identifier if nothing else. Anyhow, I look forward to learning and sharing with others who are going through similar trials as well as sharing in the joys that these children no doubt bring to us.

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I've got a girl Aspie. Welcome Kiara.

Francine

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Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 1:18 PM

Hi, I just found this group a couple days ago. I'm Kiara, and I'm a

single homeschooling mom to 8 1/2 yo Krystina, who has recently been

suggested to be Aspergers by her psychologist. The doctor is awaiting

some more data before making a formal diagnosis, but according to what

she's told me and what I've researched on my own, it seems to be a

perfect fit.

Krystina can be a very difficult child to parent, and really has always

been. She's always been very moody, emotional, high strung and

defiant. Socially she's always been different, painfully shy in some

settings and refusing to participate in others. I think for the first

time, I'm beginning to understand the WHY, even if I don't yet know

what the best response is.

It's been such a relief to have a NAME for the quirkiness, and to be

able to simply explain it to others. I know that some are averse to

labels, but I find it helpful as an identifier if nothing else.

Anyhow, I look forward to learning and sharing with others who are

going through similar trials as well as sharing in the joys that these

children no doubt bring to us.

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all asd is found more in boys but that doesn't mean that is is typically found in boys

many girls have an aspergers diag

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Just be aware that Asperger's is typically found in boys.

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Is there an attorney in the group that

could shed some light on the malpractice issues that letters like this raise?

Mike

From:

Lipitor

[mailto:Lipitor ] On Behalf Of Barbara Gentry

Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:04

AM

To:

Lipitor

Subject:

New Here

First I want to start by saying thanks to the creator of this list and

all of the knowledgable participants.

My story is this. I'm a 44 year old mother of 5. My doctor

started me on Lipitor 10 mg about 18 months ago for slightly elevated

cholesterol. I seemed to do fine at first, but after 6 months although

they had come down some, she still wanted to see the numbers lower so she upped

it to 20 mgs. It was last summer that things really started going bad I

think, but I didn't realize until the last week that it could be related to the

Lipitor, as it was very subtle at first.

Within the last 6 months I had complained to my husband almost every

day how bad it hurt just to work all day, my whole body ached (I work at home

on the computer about 8-10 hours per day), so he bought me a new chair and

an ergonomic keyboard tray. No improvement. I thought I was just

working too much. Along come January of this year and I decided it was

time to finally fulfill my dream of learning to play the piano, and started

piano lessons. I was making excellent progress and practicing about 2

hours per day. After about 2 weeks, I began experiencing pain in my left

hand and forearm, so I backed off the practicing, no improvment. Within a

couple of weeks my entire left shoulder ached and I was in constant agonizing

pain, to where I didn't even hardly sleep for over 6 weeks. Still the

lightbulb hadn't gone off, instead of suspecting the Lipitor, I gave up my

dream and quit piano lessons and practice. Weeks went by with no

improvement, I was laying in bed practically crying every night because the

pain was so severe that it wouldn't even let me doze off. At the same

time, the burnging, tingling, electricity like from my left elbow to my hand, in

both bicepts and shoulder (primarily the left) was intensifying.

Just a little over a week ago, I was laying on the couch in the living

room watching television because I couldn't do much of anything else (I rarely

watch tv) and a commercial came on " if you have severe muscle pain or

weakness tell your doctor " , and that was the FIRST time the lightbulb went

off for me. I had probably read it on the package insert 18 months

earlier when I first started it, but because I thought I was fine on it, never

read it again. I immediately got on the computer and started googling

everything I could find about muscle pain, weakness and statins.

I took my last Lipitor on Friday March 27th. By Monday the 30th,

something amazing started happening, my feet didn't tingle all day while I was

working, by Tuesday I actually slept the whole night, by Wednesday my entire

body didn't ache after working all day. Although the burning and tingling

is remaining in my forearm, my shoulder is probably 75% better, I can roll over

in bed and actually get a good night's sleep although I can still feel little

twinges. I tried yesterday to sit down to the piano, but I think I

injured myself again, as my shoulder is hurting more and my arm and hand are

burning and tingling more than they were before that, in fact I'm having

difficulty typing this with my left hand, but it is NOTHING like it was when I

was taking the Lipitor, I think I just need more time to heal before I try

again.

I went to the doctor on Friday for bloodwork and she added a muscle

enzyme test that she doesn't usually do, but I'm still waiting for the test

results. I have a feeling she will find a way to say it is not the

LIpitor, but I've read and experienced enough that I will not go back on

it.

So I guess my question is, what is the general course of allowing your

muscles and nerves and tendons to repair themself? I have started taking

CoQ-10. Is there anything else I should be taking? Should I be

challenging the muscles to rebuild them or giving them time to rest and

repair? About how long might it take to see further improvement?

Thanks in advance.

Barb

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Barb, you are fortunate that you quickly experienced improvement after stopping

the Lipitor.

Its not the same for everyone. Many people take months to years to recover while

some people are normal after one week off the drug.

You are also smart taking CoQ10 in your recovery. But there is one more thing

that may be beneficial to aid your recovery. LDL cholesterol. Thats the stuff

that makes repairs to damaged tissue and helps build new healthy cells.

Bobby

>

> First I want to start by saying thanks to the creator of this list and all

> of the knowledgable participants.

>

> My story is this. I'm a 44 year old mother of 5. My doctor started me on

> Lipitor 10 mg about 18 months ago for slightly elevated cholesterol. I

> seemed to do fine at first, but after 6 months although they had come down

> some, she still wanted to see the numbers lower so she upped it to 20 mgs.

> It was last summer that things really started going bad I think, but I

> didn't realize until the last week that it could be related to the Lipitor,

> as it was very subtle at first.

>

> Within the last 6 months I had complained to my husband almost every day how

> bad it hurt just to work all day, my whole body ached (I work at home on the

> computer about 8-10 hours per day), so he bought me a new chair and an

> ergonomic keyboard tray. No improvement. I thought I was just working too

> much. Along come January of this year and I decided it was time to finally

> fulfill my dream of learning to play the piano, and started piano lessons.

> I was making excellent progress and practicing about 2 hours per day. After

> about 2 weeks, I began experiencing pain in my left hand and forearm, so I

> backed off the practicing, no improvment. Within a couple of weeks my

> entire left shoulder ached and I was in constant agonizing pain, to where I

> didn't even hardly sleep for over 6 weeks. Still the lightbulb hadn't gone

> off, instead of suspecting the Lipitor, I gave up my dream and quit piano

> lessons and practice. Weeks went by with no improvement, I was laying in

> bed practically crying every night because the pain was so severe that it

> wouldn't even let me doze off. At the same time, the burnging, tingling,

> electricity like from my left elbow to my hand, in both bicepts and shoulder

> (primarily the left) was intensifying.

>

> Just a little over a week ago, I was laying on the couch in the living room

> watching television because I couldn't do much of anything else (I rarely

> watch tv) and a commercial came on " if you have severe muscle pain or

> weakness tell your doctor " , and that was the FIRST time the lightbulb went

> off for me. I had probably read it on the package insert 18 months earlier

> when I first started it, but because I thought I was fine on it, never read

> it again. I immediately got on the computer and started googling everything

> I could find about muscle pain, weakness and statins.

>

> I took my last Lipitor on Friday March 27th. By Monday the 30th, something

> amazing started happening, my feet didn't tingle all day while I was

> working, by Tuesday I actually slept the whole night, by Wednesday my entire

> body didn't ache after working all day. Although the burning and tingling

> is remaining in my forearm, my shoulder is probably 75% better, I can roll

> over in bed and actually get a good night's sleep although I can still feel

> little twinges. I tried yesterday to sit down to the piano, but I think I

> injured myself again, as my shoulder is hurting more and my arm and hand are

> burning and tingling more than they were before that, in fact I'm having

> difficulty typing this with my left hand, but it is NOTHING like it was when

> I was taking the Lipitor, I think I just need more time to heal before I try

> again.

>

> I went to the doctor on Friday for bloodwork and she added a muscle enzyme

> test that she doesn't usually do, but I'm still waiting for the test

> results. I have a feeling she will find a way to say it is not the LIpitor,

> but I've read and experienced enough that I will not go back on it.

>

> So I guess my question is, what is the general course of allowing your

> muscles and nerves and tendons to repair themself? I have started taking

> CoQ-10. Is there anything else I should be taking? Should I be challenging

> the muscles to rebuild them or giving them time to rest and repair? About

> how long might it take to see further improvement? Thanks in advance.

>

> Barb

>

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Debbie,

I had never heard of play therapists. I have considered hiring a HS teen to

come in and spend time with her, but I was thinking moreso for babysitting and

help with studies. I have to work outside the home and my current babysitter is

my mom who is not well.

She does well interacting 1 on 1, but group situations are usually stressful.

School would have been a horrible fit. She has sensory issues, anxiety and

learns in a variety of different ways. I felt early on that no teacher with a

classroom of 20-25 kids could handle her.

At least at home we can go as slow and gently as needed, or focus on a subject

of interest for months if we want. Her " school " probably looks very little like

the brick and mortar version, but she is smart as a whip.

Kiara

>

> Hi,

> I home-schooled two daughters and now my youngest child who would

probably be labeled aspergers today (PDD in the past but I believe autistic at

his worst times) so he is doing much better.  He is very social, active with a

black belt in taekwondo and now doing very well in boxing.  He is now 13 and we

did so many biological treatments that I cannot name them all now but I think it

was very important that he had two patient, older sisters and that I brought in

people to work with him - play theapy when he was little and some tutoring and

social interactive facilitators.  Sounds complicated but it's just mostly

playing dumb, getting them to talk, respond and interact.

>

> I think all of our kids should be home-schooled but just make sure that if you

can, find young people that are great with kids to help you with play and

social interaction, such as high school students that are very active and

preferably animated.  One of matthew's best play therapists ever was a 16 year

old dislexic boy that played with him but could get him to talk more than any of

us.  I paid him $6 an hour and that was about 7 or 8 years ago so today you

could probably find that for maybe $8 or so an hour, depending on where you

live.  Debbie

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: krystismom <krystismom@...>

> Autism and Aspergers Treatment

> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 12:18:45 PM

> Subject: new here

>

>

> Hi, I just found this group a couple days ago. I'm Kiara, and I'm a

> single homeschooling mom to 8 1/2 yo Krystina, who has recently been

> suggested to be Aspergers by her psychologist. The doctor is awaiting

> some more data before making a formal diagnosis, but according to what

> she's told me and what I've researched on my own, it seems to be a

> perfect fit.

>

> Krystina can be a very difficult child to parent, and really has always

> been. She's always been very moody, emotional, high strung and

> defiant. Socially she's always been different, painfully shy in some

> settings and refusing to participate in others. I think for the first

> time, I'm beginning to understand the WHY, even if I don't yet know

> what the best response is.

>

> It's been such a relief to have a NAME for the quirkiness, and to be

> able to simply explain it to others. I know that some are averse to

> labels, but I find it helpful as an identifier if nothing else.

> Anyhow, I look forward to learning and sharing with others who are

> going through similar trials as well as sharing in the joys that these

> children no doubt bring to us.

>

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Thank you, Francine. :-) How old is your daughter?

Kiara

>

> From: krystismom <krystismom@...>

> Subject: new here

> Autism and Aspergers Treatment

> Date: Friday, February 27, 2009, 1:18 PM

>

>

>

>

> Hi, I just found this group a couple days ago. I'm Kiara, and I'm a

> single homeschooling mom to 8 1/2 yo Krystina, who has recently been

> suggested to be Aspergers by her psychologist. The doctor is awaiting

> some more data before making a formal diagnosis, but according to what

> she's told me and what I've researched on my own, it seems to be a

> perfect fit.

>

> Krystina can be a very difficult child to parent, and really has always

> been. She's always been very moody, emotional, high strung and

> defiant. Socially she's always been different, painfully shy in some

> settings and refusing to participate in others. I think for the first

> time, I'm beginning to understand the WHY, even if I don't yet know

> what the best response is.

>

> It's been such a relief to have a NAME for the quirkiness, and to be

> able to simply explain it to others. I know that some are averse to

> labels, but I find it helpful as an identifier if nothing else.

> Anyhow, I look forward to learning and sharing with others who are

> going through similar trials as well as sharing in the joys that these

> children no doubt bring to us.

>

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Hi ,

Welcome to the group. It is truly a lifesaver for all of us! It is quite

typical for the episodes to not all be the same especially as the grow. Good

luck w/the T & A. Would love to hear how it goes if you would like to email me.

Jill

mom to , age 11, lifelong

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Hi... I have a question as a new person to the group and as the mother to

a newly diagnosed child. Chip has been having the fevers since he was an

infant.. but we only got them diagnosed this year... now that he is 6 and in

kindergarten and missing so much school.

So, the steroids have worked wonderfully the last couple of months.. he

has a flareup and the fever comes, but it doesn't reach as high as it used to

AND it only lasts for a day or 2.. as do most of the other symptoms. This

weekend is his time to get sick.. he has had a headache and mouthsores and

sore throat since Friday and he keeps asking me to take his temp, but it's

always normal. He obviously does NOT feel well, the dr. has said to give

him no motrin until after the prednisone which I don't give to him until

he has a definite fever.

Has anyone had this experience and does anyone have any suggestions?

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Good morning Bradie79!

Welcome and good luck to you!

You are not alone in your struggle and we are all here to help you!!!! I'm new

as of this week and this board has been so very helpful!

Chris

Mommy of 2 on Pa.

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Good morning Bradie79!

Welcome and good luck to you!

You are not alone in your struggle and we are all here to help you!!!! I'm new

as of this week and this board has been so very helpful!

Chris

Mommy of 2 on Pa.

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Hi, --welcome! FYI--the majority of kids who get vaccinated do not do it

without major problems. They may not all die and the ones you see may look fine.

BUT the ones who died, you don't see. The ones who are institutionalized or

cared for at home, you don't see. The ones who are repeatedly going to the docs

or on inhalers or at the nurses office in school getting their ADHD meds, you

don't see them doing this.

So, you are in a tough place. I don't know what to advise except maybe if you

got your state laws, which do not mandate vaccines until school entry, they

might listen.

Winnie

New Here

Vaccinations

> Hi, I'm , and I just wanted to introduce myself and

> hopefully get a little support. I have a 3-year-old son who we

> adopted from Guatemala, and we're in the process of adopting

> domestically now. I mostly joined this group to find out more

> about the facts on vaccinations as well as to see if anyone has

> experience with refusing vaccinations for an adopted child.

>

> For the record, my son received all his vaccinations in

> Guatemala and came to the U.S. at the age of 10 months. He has

> not gotten any vax since. I hadn't really researched the infant

> stuff because it never applied to us. I thought we would

> selectively vax, but as I read about each one I ended up not

> seeing any that were necessary at this point.

>

> Now we're revisiting the topic for a potential newborn adoption.

> Our agency (and/or our state of Indiana) requires vax. In

> fact, our contract says that the adoption will not be finalized

> until the child receives the 2-month vax. At the time, we

> thought we were okay with that because our first son rec'd even

> more and didn't seem to have any problems from it. Now I'm

> looking more closely at how much they really get at that 2-month

> visit, and it's a little scary. I don't know that much about

> this, so I'm mostly looking for support. Has anyone else gone

> through this?

>

> I'm scared to bring it up to the agency for fear of jeopardizing

> our chances to have another child. I keep thinking that the

> vast majority of kids get vaccinated without major problems so

> maybe I should just go with the flow (like my husband says).

> But then why do I get this uneasy feeling? Sorry this is so

> long. Thanks for reading!

>

>

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