Re: school vent already!

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The only school equipment I have ever been asked to purchase in the state

system in the UK is tissues, but even then the school do buy in tissues but

the staff are very limited in how many boxes they can use a term. Every

thing else is provided by the state. The average amount of money per

primary pupil per year in this County is about £1300 a year, twice that at

secondary, (this is purely for education there are separate budgets and

income for building maintanence and salaries of staff etc), Tim also gets

around £6,500 to pay for his aide thro his statement plus extra funds to pay

for (temporary) lunch time supervision next term. We are a 'poor'

authority, some primary school get a lot more money per pupil. Every child

with SEN, even those without statements of need (that provide extra

money/resources for that child) also brings into the budget an extra amount

of money related to where on the register of need he has been placed. The

extra money is then used by school to buy services of specialist teachers,

extra classroom support, extra material resources or supply staff to cover

for training etc. You know the longer I live in the UK (and I've been here

most of my life) and the longer I hear about the US education system, the

happier I become that I am british!!!

I still get to pay for a lot of extras for my other two kids, not least

their £5,000 plus per annum school fees, but they are at an independant

school not a state one.

sue wong

Re: school vent already!

> In a message dated 08/11/2001 8:09:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

> << My guess is that the school furnishes the crayons, paper, etc., >>

>

> Hahahahahahahahahaha!! None of the schools my kids have attended EVER

> furnished those supplies. They did however give you a list of the

materials

> the kids needed to bring to school. Until high school, the list was sent

out

> with class assignments, so you could have the supplies before school

started.

> And we never had to buy more than one box of tissues per child per year.

> Cheryl in VA

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

The only school equipment I have ever been asked to purchase in the state

system in the UK is tissues, but even then the school do buy in tissues but

the staff are very limited in how many boxes they can use a term. Every

thing else is provided by the state. The average amount of money per

primary pupil per year in this County is about £1300 a year, twice that at

secondary, (this is purely for education there are separate budgets and

income for building maintanence and salaries of staff etc), Tim also gets

around £6,500 to pay for his aide thro his statement plus extra funds to pay

for (temporary) lunch time supervision next term. We are a 'poor'

authority, some primary school get a lot more money per pupil. Every child

with SEN, even those without statements of need (that provide extra

money/resources for that child) also brings into the budget an extra amount

of money related to where on the register of need he has been placed. The

extra money is then used by school to buy services of specialist teachers,

extra classroom support, extra material resources or supply staff to cover

for training etc. You know the longer I live in the UK (and I've been here

most of my life) and the longer I hear about the US education system, the

happier I become that I am british!!!

I still get to pay for a lot of extras for my other two kids, not least

their £5,000 plus per annum school fees, but they are at an independant

school not a state one.

sue wong

Re: school vent already!

> In a message dated 08/11/2001 8:09:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> bspyle@... writes:

>

> << My guess is that the school furnishes the crayons, paper, etc., >>

>

> Hahahahahahahahahaha!! None of the schools my kids have attended EVER

> furnished those supplies. They did however give you a list of the

materials

> the kids needed to bring to school. Until high school, the list was sent

out

> with class assignments, so you could have the supplies before school

started.

> And we never had to buy more than one box of tissues per child per year.

> Cheryl in VA

>

> Click reply to all for messages to go to the list. Just hit reply for

messages to go to the sender of the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

<<Maybe you need to send a little kit of your own to the teacher Gail!

;-)

Now what kind of suggestions could we come up with for you to use ....

glasses to help them open their eyes and see Ted as an individual!

Cheryl in VA>>

I told this to my mom and added the part someone else, Kathy, Liam's mom

said...

<<I would send back the squashed chocolate with a couple of MIDOL tablets

and

write that she/he was obviously having a bad day herself/himself when

she/he

sent it. But then again, I am not known for my people skills.>>

and she had a good laugh! thanks all!

Gail

[Guest guest]

<<Maybe you need to send a little kit of your own to the teacher Gail!

;-)

Now what kind of suggestions could we come up with for you to use ....

glasses to help them open their eyes and see Ted as an individual!

Cheryl in VA>>

I told this to my mom and added the part someone else, Kathy, Liam's mom

said...

<<I would send back the squashed chocolate with a couple of MIDOL tablets

and

write that she/he was obviously having a bad day herself/himself when

she/he

sent it. But then again, I am not known for my people skills.>>

and she had a good laugh! thanks all!

Gail

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/11/2001 10:09:26 PM Central Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> Hmm... I wonder how many of these parents have been beaten down,

> intimidated, and scoffed by systems if they ask for more intense academic

> education and less life skills education.

me, me me. or at least they ALWAYS try. hehehe

Joy

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In a message dated 8/11/2001 10:09:26 PM Central Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

> Hmm... I wonder how many of these parents have been beaten down,

> intimidated, and scoffed by systems if they ask for more intense academic

> education and less life skills education.

me, me me. or at least they ALWAYS try. hehehe

Joy

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In a message dated 8/11/2001 10:09:26 PM Central Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

>

umm, as you know bedmaking isn't one of my biggies, PBJ's makes her own

has for awhile in fact she didn't really eat them then started to make them.

messy but she does get it done. she has even started to make her own choc.

malt in the blender and she's only watched me make it a coupld of times.

lucky for me she didn't get it plugged in right the last time cause she

didn't have the cover....oh that would have been a mess. right now we're

working on using other settings on the microwave besides the popcorn button

twice. you shlould see a hot dog after it's been cooked as long as a bag of

popcorn. (cindy I think she is trying to follow brandies footsteps. lol)

Joy

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In a message dated 8/11/2001 10:09:26 PM Central Daylight Time,

Michdock@... writes:

>

umm, as you know bedmaking isn't one of my biggies, PBJ's makes her own

has for awhile in fact she didn't really eat them then started to make them.

messy but she does get it done. she has even started to make her own choc.

malt in the blender and she's only watched me make it a coupld of times.

lucky for me she didn't get it plugged in right the last time cause she

didn't have the cover....oh that would have been a mess. right now we're

working on using other settings on the microwave besides the popcorn button

twice. you shlould see a hot dog after it's been cooked as long as a bag of

popcorn. (cindy I think she is trying to follow brandies footsteps. lol)

Joy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/2001 10:30:22 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> I am curious, is there any talk to lower the pupil classroom sz? I know here

> the buzz is to reduce classroom size ASAP or lose funding. This order came

> from the President and the dead

I believe it's for grades k-3 or maybe k-2 kathy. here it wouldn't work to

reduce to 18 (which i bleveit is) for one there isn't another classroom and

the classes are only 20 or so kids anyway. another class would have to be

multigrade. hehe. Yes we do have a small school.

joy

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In a message dated 8/12/2001 10:30:22 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> I am curious, is there any talk to lower the pupil classroom sz? I know here

> the buzz is to reduce classroom size ASAP or lose funding. This order came

> from the President and the dead

I believe it's for grades k-3 or maybe k-2 kathy. here it wouldn't work to

reduce to 18 (which i bleveit is) for one there isn't another classroom and

the classes are only 20 or so kids anyway. another class would have to be

multigrade. hehe. Yes we do have a small school.

joy

[Guest guest]

> I will say one thing, I sense she really wants this to work and she

really has

> a respect for Sara

I think this is more than half the battle! Good luck Kathy,

[Guest guest]

> I will say one thing, I sense she really wants this to work and she

really has

> a respect for Sara

I think this is more than half the battle! Good luck Kathy,

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/01 7:13:32 AM Central Daylight Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> That may be true in some places, but it wasn't true for . She got all

> the academics plus, taught by teachers who specialized in teaching the

> mentally retarded. Most of her classmates now have jobs, too.

>

> granny

> ---

> You were very lucky. That was definitely the exception at that time

> and still is most of the time.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/01 7:13:32 AM Central Daylight Time,

bspyle@... writes:

> That may be true in some places, but it wasn't true for . She got all

> the academics plus, taught by teachers who specialized in teaching the

> mentally retarded. Most of her classmates now have jobs, too.

>

> granny

> ---

> You were very lucky. That was definitely the exception at that time

> and still is most of the time.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/01 10:16:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who is soooooo nervous this year, my senses

> are

> telling me to keep my eyes WIDE open

>

And your fingers crossed!! Jessie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/12/01 10:16:53 AM Central Daylight Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> Kathy mom to Sara 9...........who is soooooo nervous this year, my senses

> are

> telling me to keep my eyes WIDE open

>

And your fingers crossed!! Jessie

[Guest guest]

OK,

Now were on a different thread! puts PB on crackers ( she doesnt eat

any bread!). She also heats up breakfast sausage or hot dogs on the stove!

She can help make pancakes but mostly does it all herself. she also makes

pudding quite well! She measures out the rice and water and could probably

make macaroni if I let her.

She's been waking up at night to " sneak " some grapes or strawberries or

cherries (that can't be good with her diabetes!), but she can also pour

herself a drink if she wakes up thirsty.

~ Mom to amanda almost 11 DS who really wants to be a cook like her

daddy and 7

[Guest guest]

OK,

Now were on a different thread! puts PB on crackers ( she doesnt eat

any bread!). She also heats up breakfast sausage or hot dogs on the stove!

She can help make pancakes but mostly does it all herself. she also makes

pudding quite well! She measures out the rice and water and could probably

make macaroni if I let her.

She's been waking up at night to " sneak " some grapes or strawberries or

cherries (that can't be good with her diabetes!), but she can also pour

herself a drink if she wakes up thirsty.

~ Mom to amanda almost 11 DS who really wants to be a cook like her

daddy and 7

[Guest guest]

Class size has been reduced in the city (of NY that is!) Last year I only

had 17 kids and that was regular ed with 3 spec needs kids full time

mainstreamed. I have 20 on register for this September. It makes such a big

difference with lower class size!!!! It has been reduced for K-2, and they

try to keep 3 as low as possible.

Last year at 's school I lucked out because they bought another 4th

grade class and that lowered her class to 28 total (there were about7 spec

needs kids and the rest were reg ed). unfourtunately that will not be the

case this year in 5th grade. It will prob be up to 8 spec needs kids in her

class and and 26 reg ed kids. There will still be 2 teachers and at least

one class para and maybe a 2nd para for if I get my way!

~ Mom to amanda almost 11 DS and 7

[Guest guest]

Class size has been reduced in the city (of NY that is!) Last year I only

had 17 kids and that was regular ed with 3 spec needs kids full time

mainstreamed. I have 20 on register for this September. It makes such a big

difference with lower class size!!!! It has been reduced for K-2, and they

try to keep 3 as low as possible.

Last year at 's school I lucked out because they bought another 4th

grade class and that lowered her class to 28 total (there were about7 spec

needs kids and the rest were reg ed). unfourtunately that will not be the

case this year in 5th grade. It will prob be up to 8 spec needs kids in her

class and and 26 reg ed kids. There will still be 2 teachers and at least

one class para and maybe a 2nd para for if I get my way!

~ Mom to amanda almost 11 DS and 7

[Guest guest]

<<But, as a parent, I realize mornings are hectic and when you're

trying to get your child with a disability out the door, often along with

2-3 other kids, sometimes those things don't take priority. >>

It does take a lot of effort to get Ted ready for the day at school.

All sorts of " picking, and wiping " at him that he doesn't tolerate

as well as my other 2 without Down syndrome did. There were

days when he'd go out to wait for the bus then have to make a

mad dash back inside to use the toilet for dedicating. There may

or may not have been a change of clothes needed. What I disliked

was the bus being late...not just a minute or so for reasons beyond

their control but 10 or 15 min late because they were letting the

aide or alternate driver drive the route. Could they have not called

me and said this...timing is everything with a child like Ted. Or at

least for me in my situation. Or the times when we would be back

inside taking care of going to the bathroom...the door is wide open

and they have to pull up and honk. Oh well. I also have the added

burden of other kids coming over before Ted left for school and

then he may want to come back in the house and play with them.

Oh yes...timing is everything for me with Ted. I'm not sure what

would take priority over having a clean and happy child ready on

time.

<< I agree that the IEP is the key in Ted's case. If you

specifically

don't want him brushing his teeth at school, let the teacher know...>>

This is my problem...she is very aware of how I feel. This is why I took

this so hard. Where is the sensitivity? Where is the individualization?

<<I want his education to

be relevant and meaningful to his future as a productive, happy and

independent adult based on his true abilities. That may mean he won't

participate in the study of Roman Emperors or other stuff that will not

have

a direct impact on him as an adult and that may only frustrate him.>>

Well, I feel that Ted can be exposed to studies such as this. It could

be

made fun and Ted doesn't always have to be on the life skills track

learning

or participating in ONLY things that are pertinent to his life... HOW

BORING>

Gail

[Guest guest]

<<But, as a parent, I realize mornings are hectic and when you're

trying to get your child with a disability out the door, often along with

2-3 other kids, sometimes those things don't take priority. >>

It does take a lot of effort to get Ted ready for the day at school.

All sorts of " picking, and wiping " at him that he doesn't tolerate

as well as my other 2 without Down syndrome did. There were

days when he'd go out to wait for the bus then have to make a

mad dash back inside to use the toilet for dedicating. There may

or may not have been a change of clothes needed. What I disliked

was the bus being late...not just a minute or so for reasons beyond

their control but 10 or 15 min late because they were letting the

aide or alternate driver drive the route. Could they have not called

me and said this...timing is everything with a child like Ted. Or at

least for me in my situation. Or the times when we would be back

inside taking care of going to the bathroom...the door is wide open

and they have to pull up and honk. Oh well. I also have the added

burden of other kids coming over before Ted left for school and

then he may want to come back in the house and play with them.

Oh yes...timing is everything for me with Ted. I'm not sure what

would take priority over having a clean and happy child ready on

time.

<< I agree that the IEP is the key in Ted's case. If you

specifically

don't want him brushing his teeth at school, let the teacher know...>>

This is my problem...she is very aware of how I feel. This is why I took

this so hard. Where is the sensitivity? Where is the individualization?

<<I want his education to

be relevant and meaningful to his future as a productive, happy and

independent adult based on his true abilities. That may mean he won't

participate in the study of Roman Emperors or other stuff that will not

have

a direct impact on him as an adult and that may only frustrate him.>>

Well, I feel that Ted can be exposed to studies such as this. It could

be

made fun and Ted doesn't always have to be on the life skills track

learning

or participating in ONLY things that are pertinent to his life... HOW

BORING>

Gail

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/16/01 11:20:15 AM Central Daylight Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> <I to

> be relevant and meaningful to his future as a productive, happy and

> independent adult based on his true abilities. That may mean he won't

> participate in the study of Roman Emperors or other stuff that will not

> have

> a direct impact on him as an adult and that may only frustrate him.>>

>

> Well, I feel that Ted can be exposed to studies such as this. It could

> be

> made fun and Ted doesn't always have to be on the life skills track

> learning

> or participating in ONLY things that are pertinent to his life... HOW

> BORING>

> Gail

>

loved history in school and at home. Still does. We went to

the library yesterday and he checked out several books on different

countries. He's interested in all that stuff. Including archeology. So why

shouldn't Ted? Jessie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/16/01 11:20:15 AM Central Daylight Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> <I to

> be relevant and meaningful to his future as a productive, happy and

> independent adult based on his true abilities. That may mean he won't

> participate in the study of Roman Emperors or other stuff that will not

> have

> a direct impact on him as an adult and that may only frustrate him.>>

>

> Well, I feel that Ted can be exposed to studies such as this. It could

> be

> made fun and Ted doesn't always have to be on the life skills track

> learning

> or participating in ONLY things that are pertinent to his life... HOW

> BORING>

> Gail

>

loved history in school and at home. Still does. We went to

the library yesterday and he checked out several books on different

countries. He's interested in all that stuff. Including archeology. So why

shouldn't Ted? Jessie