Re: Re: No Time to Relax

[Guest guest]

...I think we would all love to hear if you do set up a teaching plan for

Angel about voting...that might provide a template for others to follow.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Ellen, I would follow a picture communication board approach.  I have touch

screens on my desktops and my new laptop is a touch screen tablet.  I have a

program I developed where all Angel has to do is touch the picture and the word

or phrase is displayed on the screen.  I can certainly print out a hardcopy

version of it (of course it would have my local candidates unless anyone sends

me the photos of their local candidates and districts).

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Ellen, I would follow a picture communication board approach.  I have touch

screens on my desktops and my new laptop is a touch screen tablet.  I have a

program I developed where all Angel has to do is touch the picture and the word

or phrase is displayed on the screen.  I can certainly print out a hardcopy

version of it (of course it would have my local candidates unless anyone sends

me the photos of their local candidates and districts).

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Sounds awesome, ...perhaps, if anyone is interested, they can contact you,

offline?

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Sounds awesome, ...perhaps, if anyone is interested, they can contact you,

offline?

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

and all,

Don't forget to check in the trusty/dusty IPADD files section, too, for our

Voting Rights teaching materials. Some are older than others but all have

approaches to consider. The link is:

IPADDUnite/files/VOTING%20RIGHTS/

And remember, all IPADD members can upload saved materials onto our site -- if

they helped you, they can probably help someone else, too!

Laurie

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

and all,

Don't forget to check in the trusty/dusty IPADD files section, too, for our

Voting Rights teaching materials. Some are older than others but all have

approaches to consider. The link is:

IPADDUnite/files/VOTING%20RIGHTS/

And remember, all IPADD members can upload saved materials onto our site -- if

they helped you, they can probably help someone else, too!

Laurie

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Sure.

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Sure.

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Great! Thanks.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Great! Thanks.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Cindi, good response, you have my vote!

From: Cindi Swanson <cbswanson@...>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite

Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 4:48 PM

 

Here is the angle from no angel....we had this spirited debate a while back

and I will take Ellen's part on this.

At any point in our civilization there have been people who have decided who

can and cant have a voice in their destiny. So very recently some thoughth

only white men had the ability to have a voice .

I can remember in my life time witnessing blind people on the streets of

chicago selling pencils, money into a tin cup...because someone thought

blind people had nothing toffer but a bit more than a street beggar. So now

even blind people can get master's degrees. Now we, the very people who

love these folks are saying my child is uncapable of telling me he wants the

candidate who will care about people with disabilities. We can maybe take a

guess...an educated guess that my son who has Down Syndrome would probably

prefer the candidate that would look kindly on folks with disabilities. For

all the corruption we see in this state/country, I cannot imagine thinking ,

pondering the morals of a person with a DD casting a vote for someone who

cares about people with disabilities. We have taught our children how to

do a great deal of things. We have imposed our morals in evry facet of life,

hands to ourselves, dont touch yourself, , zip your pants, smile..etc. Why

would we ever think it would be immoral to teach them our political values

and coach them on voting. I have two other children without disabilities,

and believe me, we have coached them as well..they are both liberals..I feel

I have done that job well. For the people who want to vote against the

movement, certainly they will do all they can to stop us. IPADD is for

parents of adults, but I am hoping parents with younger children are

starting to get the idea that self advocacy should /must be taken to the

voting booth. Ron, it is your sons right to cast a ballot, and your

responcibility to teach him as you have every thing else, who cares about

the disabled. My mother voted in every election she could. In the end when

she could n o longer read , bad eyesight, she would just ask me, who cares

about the poor people. I would tell her, and that is how she voted. The

bottom line is if we dont do it/ or if our kids dont do it wiht our helpp

and support..who is going to do it. Since I have been in this advocacy

seriously..we have gone from 47 to 51. We have to do it Ron, no one else is

doing it for us. As far as leaving Illinois, the job is here and very

honestly the investment for my sons social lifestyle is here.

[Guest guest]

Cindi, good response, you have my vote!

From: Cindi Swanson <cbswanson@...>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite

Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 4:48 PM

 

Here is the angle from no angel....we had this spirited debate a while back

and I will take Ellen's part on this.

At any point in our civilization there have been people who have decided who

can and cant have a voice in their destiny. So very recently some thoughth

only white men had the ability to have a voice .

I can remember in my life time witnessing blind people on the streets of

chicago selling pencils, money into a tin cup...because someone thought

blind people had nothing toffer but a bit more than a street beggar. So now

even blind people can get master's degrees. Now we, the very people who

love these folks are saying my child is uncapable of telling me he wants the

candidate who will care about people with disabilities. We can maybe take a

guess...an educated guess that my son who has Down Syndrome would probably

prefer the candidate that would look kindly on folks with disabilities. For

all the corruption we see in this state/country, I cannot imagine thinking ,

pondering the morals of a person with a DD casting a vote for someone who

cares about people with disabilities. We have taught our children how to

do a great deal of things. We have imposed our morals in evry facet of life,

hands to ourselves, dont touch yourself, , zip your pants, smile..etc. Why

would we ever think it would be immoral to teach them our political values

and coach them on voting. I have two other children without disabilities,

and believe me, we have coached them as well..they are both liberals..I feel

I have done that job well. For the people who want to vote against the

movement, certainly they will do all they can to stop us. IPADD is for

parents of adults, but I am hoping parents with younger children are

starting to get the idea that self advocacy should /must be taken to the

voting booth. Ron, it is your sons right to cast a ballot, and your

responcibility to teach him as you have every thing else, who cares about

the disabled. My mother voted in every election she could. In the end when

she could n o longer read , bad eyesight, she would just ask me, who cares

about the poor people. I would tell her, and that is how she voted. The

bottom line is if we dont do it/ or if our kids dont do it wiht our helpp

and support..who is going to do it. Since I have been in this advocacy

seriously..we have gone from 47 to 51. We have to do it Ron, no one else is

doing it for us. As far as leaving Illinois, the job is here and very

honestly the investment for my sons social lifestyle is here.

[Guest guest]

Good point Laurie, It was after Kim met some of her legislators, and heard them

talk about what they would do for people with developmental disabilities, that

she decided who she liked!  I don't think this is any different thatn the way my

other daughters without disabilities vote!

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

Good point Laurie, It was after Kim met some of her legislators, and heard them

talk about what they would do for people with developmental disabilities, that

she decided who she liked!  I don't think this is any different thatn the way my

other daughters without disabilities vote!

From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

I love that this conversation about voting is occurring!

That in itself is HUGE!!!

Let's keep talking about it but as Laurie mentions, we can really get in to it

closer to election time and share our strategies.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

I love that this conversation about voting is occurring!

That in itself is HUGE!!!

Let's keep talking about it but as Laurie mentions, we can really get in to it

closer to election time and share our strategies.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: Re: No Time to Relax

IPADDUnite@gro ups.com

Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM

Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other

residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when

they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a

woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote.

riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I

know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli

[Guest guest]

I hope more and more of us see fit to support our people become a political

voice.. With a simplified picture system, whatever the mode of learning, we

can all have a voice. It dosent have to take place on voting day. For the

last several years we have gone to our city hall to vote and since I cant

see my husband reads the ballot to me, and recently reads the ballot to Adam

and that is how we vote. Absentee ballots are also available. Please you

cam to this pont in the discussion. Beleive me, the people who dont want to

provide us the support we need for our folks with disabilities are not

fretting over how well they have studied the candidates. Theya re jus t

mostly concerned about how much it will cost them. Cindi

[Guest guest]

I hope more and more of us see fit to support our people become a political

voice.. With a simplified picture system, whatever the mode of learning, we

can all have a voice. It dosent have to take place on voting day. For the

last several years we have gone to our city hall to vote and since I cant

see my husband reads the ballot to me, and recently reads the ballot to Adam

and that is how we vote. Absentee ballots are also available. Please you

cam to this pont in the discussion. Beleive me, the people who dont want to

provide us the support we need for our folks with disabilities are not

fretting over how well they have studied the candidates. Theya re jus t

mostly concerned about how much it will cost them. Cindi

[Guest guest]

Very well put, .

Thank you.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: No Time to Relax

Another thought I had when reading Ron and Cindi's responses to the

voting issue. Reading both viewpoints really made clear to me my own

personal reasons why I have brought my son to vote election day,

something I hadn't examined closely before. It became so obvious to me

that if my son needed medical attention that required informed consent,

it would be my responsibility to make that choice. We don't think

twice about choosing for our child in health issues. We do not expect

them to " know " what is best for them. They depend on us to decide to

the best of our ability. As Cindi so eloquently stated, our children

have been influenced by our morals and choices their entire lives. How

we personally vote does not conflict, in my opinion, with how our child

may vote, as both votes reflect the same values and principals we live

by. It seems wrong to forego their opportunity to participate in

elections because we deem them " unable " to choose freely. I admit to

not having a clue when electing pages of judges, and just choose all

the women -- not very " informed " , but who has time to research dozens

of different names??? Can we apply a higher standard to our children

when it comes to voting than ourselves? That's my two cents!

Withers

[Guest guest]

Very well put, .

Thank you.

Ellen

Ellen Garber Bronfeld

egskb@...

Re: No Time to Relax

Another thought I had when reading Ron and Cindi's responses to the

voting issue. Reading both viewpoints really made clear to me my own

personal reasons why I have brought my son to vote election day,

something I hadn't examined closely before. It became so obvious to me

that if my son needed medical attention that required informed consent,

it would be my responsibility to make that choice. We don't think

twice about choosing for our child in health issues. We do not expect

them to " know " what is best for them. They depend on us to decide to

the best of our ability. As Cindi so eloquently stated, our children

have been influenced by our morals and choices their entire lives. How

we personally vote does not conflict, in my opinion, with how our child

may vote, as both votes reflect the same values and principals we live

by. It seems wrong to forego their opportunity to participate in

elections because we deem them " unable " to choose freely. I admit to

not having a clue when electing pages of judges, and just choose all

the women -- not very " informed " , but who has time to research dozens

of different names??? Can we apply a higher standard to our children

when it comes to voting than ourselves? That's my two cents!

Withers