Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 ...I think we would all love to hear if you do set up a teaching plan for Angel about voting...that might provide a template for others to follow. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Ellen, I would follow a picture communication board approach. I have touch screens on my desktops and my new laptop is a touch screen tablet. I have a program I developed where all Angel has to do is touch the picture and the word or phrase is displayed on the screen. I can certainly print out a hardcopy version of it (of course it would have my local candidates unless anyone sends me the photos of their local candidates and districts). From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Ellen, I would follow a picture communication board approach. I have touch screens on my desktops and my new laptop is a touch screen tablet. I have a program I developed where all Angel has to do is touch the picture and the word or phrase is displayed on the screen. I can certainly print out a hardcopy version of it (of course it would have my local candidates unless anyone sends me the photos of their local candidates and districts). From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sounds awesome, ...perhaps, if anyone is interested, they can contact you, offline? Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sounds awesome, ...perhaps, if anyone is interested, they can contact you, offline? Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 and all, Don't forget to check in the trusty/dusty IPADD files section, too, for our Voting Rights teaching materials. Some are older than others but all have approaches to consider. The link is: IPADDUnite/files/VOTING%20RIGHTS/ And remember, all IPADD members can upload saved materials onto our site -- if they helped you, they can probably help someone else, too! Laurie Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 and all, Don't forget to check in the trusty/dusty IPADD files section, too, for our Voting Rights teaching materials. Some are older than others but all have approaches to consider. The link is: IPADDUnite/files/VOTING%20RIGHTS/ And remember, all IPADD members can upload saved materials onto our site -- if they helped you, they can probably help someone else, too! Laurie Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sure. From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Sure. From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Great! Thanks. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2009 Report Share Posted August 10, 2009 Great! Thanks. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Cindi, good response, you have my vote! From: Cindi Swanson <cbswanson@...> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 4:48 PM Here is the angle from no angel....we had this spirited debate a while back and I will take Ellen's part on this. At any point in our civilization there have been people who have decided who can and cant have a voice in their destiny. So very recently some thoughth only white men had the ability to have a voice . I can remember in my life time witnessing blind people on the streets of chicago selling pencils, money into a tin cup...because someone thought blind people had nothing toffer but a bit more than a street beggar. So now even blind people can get master's degrees. Now we, the very people who love these folks are saying my child is uncapable of telling me he wants the candidate who will care about people with disabilities. We can maybe take a guess...an educated guess that my son who has Down Syndrome would probably prefer the candidate that would look kindly on folks with disabilities. For all the corruption we see in this state/country, I cannot imagine thinking , pondering the morals of a person with a DD casting a vote for someone who cares about people with disabilities. We have taught our children how to do a great deal of things. We have imposed our morals in evry facet of life, hands to ourselves, dont touch yourself, , zip your pants, smile..etc. Why would we ever think it would be immoral to teach them our political values and coach them on voting. I have two other children without disabilities, and believe me, we have coached them as well..they are both liberals..I feel I have done that job well. For the people who want to vote against the movement, certainly they will do all they can to stop us. IPADD is for parents of adults, but I am hoping parents with younger children are starting to get the idea that self advocacy should /must be taken to the voting booth. Ron, it is your sons right to cast a ballot, and your responcibility to teach him as you have every thing else, who cares about the disabled. My mother voted in every election she could. In the end when she could n o longer read , bad eyesight, she would just ask me, who cares about the poor people. I would tell her, and that is how she voted. The bottom line is if we dont do it/ or if our kids dont do it wiht our helpp and support..who is going to do it. Since I have been in this advocacy seriously..we have gone from 47 to 51. We have to do it Ron, no one else is doing it for us. As far as leaving Illinois, the job is here and very honestly the investment for my sons social lifestyle is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Cindi, good response, you have my vote! From: Cindi Swanson <cbswanson@...> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 4:48 PM Here is the angle from no angel....we had this spirited debate a while back and I will take Ellen's part on this. At any point in our civilization there have been people who have decided who can and cant have a voice in their destiny. So very recently some thoughth only white men had the ability to have a voice . I can remember in my life time witnessing blind people on the streets of chicago selling pencils, money into a tin cup...because someone thought blind people had nothing toffer but a bit more than a street beggar. So now even blind people can get master's degrees. Now we, the very people who love these folks are saying my child is uncapable of telling me he wants the candidate who will care about people with disabilities. We can maybe take a guess...an educated guess that my son who has Down Syndrome would probably prefer the candidate that would look kindly on folks with disabilities. For all the corruption we see in this state/country, I cannot imagine thinking , pondering the morals of a person with a DD casting a vote for someone who cares about people with disabilities. We have taught our children how to do a great deal of things. We have imposed our morals in evry facet of life, hands to ourselves, dont touch yourself, , zip your pants, smile..etc. Why would we ever think it would be immoral to teach them our political values and coach them on voting. I have two other children without disabilities, and believe me, we have coached them as well..they are both liberals..I feel I have done that job well. For the people who want to vote against the movement, certainly they will do all they can to stop us. IPADD is for parents of adults, but I am hoping parents with younger children are starting to get the idea that self advocacy should /must be taken to the voting booth. Ron, it is your sons right to cast a ballot, and your responcibility to teach him as you have every thing else, who cares about the disabled. My mother voted in every election she could. In the end when she could n o longer read , bad eyesight, she would just ask me, who cares about the poor people. I would tell her, and that is how she voted. The bottom line is if we dont do it/ or if our kids dont do it wiht our helpp and support..who is going to do it. Since I have been in this advocacy seriously..we have gone from 47 to 51. We have to do it Ron, no one else is doing it for us. As far as leaving Illinois, the job is here and very honestly the investment for my sons social lifestyle is here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Good point Laurie, It was after Kim met some of her legislators, and heard them talk about what they would do for people with developmental disabilities, that she decided who she liked! I don't think this is any different thatn the way my other daughters without disabilities vote! From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 Good point Laurie, It was after Kim met some of her legislators, and heard them talk about what they would do for people with developmental disabilities, that she decided who she liked! I don't think this is any different thatn the way my other daughters without disabilities vote! From: julianne cicarelli <cicj_2000 (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I love that this conversation about voting is occurring! That in itself is HUGE!!! Let's keep talking about it but as Laurie mentions, we can really get in to it closer to election time and share our strategies. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2009 Report Share Posted August 29, 2009 I love that this conversation about voting is occurring! That in itself is HUGE!!! Let's keep talking about it but as Laurie mentions, we can really get in to it closer to election time and share our strategies. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: Re: No Time to Relax IPADDUnite@gro ups.com Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 11:59 AM Just a note about voting. My son lives at Riverside, he and other residents are registered voters, and are taken to vote. A few years ago when they were voting in Linconshire their van was attacked in parking lot, by a woman resident who screamed at them about how they shouldn't be allowed to vote. riverside brought the woman to trial. I always tell who to vote for, I know what legislators( including Katy Ryg) support our cause. Juli Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I hope more and more of us see fit to support our people become a political voice.. With a simplified picture system, whatever the mode of learning, we can all have a voice. It dosent have to take place on voting day. For the last several years we have gone to our city hall to vote and since I cant see my husband reads the ballot to me, and recently reads the ballot to Adam and that is how we vote. Absentee ballots are also available. Please you cam to this pont in the discussion. Beleive me, the people who dont want to provide us the support we need for our folks with disabilities are not fretting over how well they have studied the candidates. Theya re jus t mostly concerned about how much it will cost them. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 I hope more and more of us see fit to support our people become a political voice.. With a simplified picture system, whatever the mode of learning, we can all have a voice. It dosent have to take place on voting day. For the last several years we have gone to our city hall to vote and since I cant see my husband reads the ballot to me, and recently reads the ballot to Adam and that is how we vote. Absentee ballots are also available. Please you cam to this pont in the discussion. Beleive me, the people who dont want to provide us the support we need for our folks with disabilities are not fretting over how well they have studied the candidates. Theya re jus t mostly concerned about how much it will cost them. Cindi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Very well put, . Thank you. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: No Time to Relax Another thought I had when reading Ron and Cindi's responses to the voting issue. Reading both viewpoints really made clear to me my own personal reasons why I have brought my son to vote election day, something I hadn't examined closely before. It became so obvious to me that if my son needed medical attention that required informed consent, it would be my responsibility to make that choice. We don't think twice about choosing for our child in health issues. We do not expect them to " know " what is best for them. They depend on us to decide to the best of our ability. As Cindi so eloquently stated, our children have been influenced by our morals and choices their entire lives. How we personally vote does not conflict, in my opinion, with how our child may vote, as both votes reflect the same values and principals we live by. It seems wrong to forego their opportunity to participate in elections because we deem them " unable " to choose freely. I admit to not having a clue when electing pages of judges, and just choose all the women -- not very " informed " , but who has time to research dozens of different names??? Can we apply a higher standard to our children when it comes to voting than ourselves? That's my two cents! Withers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2009 Report Share Posted August 30, 2009 Very well put, . Thank you. Ellen Ellen Garber Bronfeld egskb@... Re: No Time to Relax Another thought I had when reading Ron and Cindi's responses to the voting issue. Reading both viewpoints really made clear to me my own personal reasons why I have brought my son to vote election day, something I hadn't examined closely before. It became so obvious to me that if my son needed medical attention that required informed consent, it would be my responsibility to make that choice. We don't think twice about choosing for our child in health issues. We do not expect them to " know " what is best for them. They depend on us to decide to the best of our ability. As Cindi so eloquently stated, our children have been influenced by our morals and choices their entire lives. How we personally vote does not conflict, in my opinion, with how our child may vote, as both votes reflect the same values and principals we live by. It seems wrong to forego their opportunity to participate in elections because we deem them " unable " to choose freely. I admit to not having a clue when electing pages of judges, and just choose all the women -- not very " informed " , but who has time to research dozens of different names??? Can we apply a higher standard to our children when it comes to voting than ourselves? That's my two cents! Withers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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