Magnesium

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In a message dated 06/11/2005 00:51:01 GMT Standard Time, bill.molineux@... writes:

Please could someone post the web address for the IONIC Magnesium Chloride.

Hi Sharon

Metabolics.co.uk

Look under products, minerals, magnesium, and you'll see it at the bottom. There seems to be a display error on the page - you get get it in 30, 100, 250mls sizes. Get 30 or 100 and then you if you like it you can get one of the bigger ones and refill the dropper bottle

These are high quality supps - even Dr Usman rates them

Mandi x

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Please could someone post the web address for the IONIC Magnesium

Chloride.

Thanks very much.

Sharon.

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I have experienced no kidney problems with Magnesium. DOctors first told me

to take Magnesium and malic acid in 1997. In 2001, I found the best dose

and type for my body.... yes, it took that many years, but I am much better for

it.

In a message dated 2/13/2006 6:48:53 PM Eastern Standard Time,

yildiz22@... writes:

mjh

i wonder what the long term effect of oral mag would be on kidneys.is MOM

heavy on kidneys?

thanks

Nil

mjh

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You can make your own " Magic Oil " by dissolving some Epson salt in very hot

water and then adding this saturated solution to your favorite skin cream or

emu oil.

Kirkmam's Lab also has a topical/trandermal Magnesium product.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

Most people can take the protein bound forms of magnesium like

aspartates and oratates. There is a new product being sold that many

have had good success with it is called Magnesium oil - this is

applied to the skin or used in the bath for soaking - the magnesium is

absorbed through the skin and several have said they got good results

with none of the side-effects of taking it by mouth (the problem of

stomach problems comes mainly from the oxide form). You can Google -

magnesium oil - the Wolfe Clinic in Canada sells this as Magic Oil.

Source Naturals has a product that uses several forms of magnesium and

I have heard good things about that (don't remember the name) - but it

can be found at the Source Natural web site.

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Hi V,

Thanks for the suggestion. I have also used Magnesium Sulfate Cream from

Kirkmans's, and Biogenics Magnesium Lotion from Dr. Healy's. That comes in an

oil too.

I inject Mg daily, and Orally, I take Magnesium Glycinate Forte from

Labs...w/L-Carnitine, Coq10, Taurine.

I seem to tolerate them all.

I like mjh's plan, but have not done it.

BW,

Katrina

>>>>> There is a new product being sold that many

> have had good success with it is called Magnesium oil - this is

> applied to the skin or used in the bath for soaking - the magnesium is

> absorbed through the skin and several have said they got good results

> with none of the side-effects of taking it by mouth (the problem of

> stomach problems comes mainly from the oxide form). You can Google -

> magnesium oil - the Wolfe Clinic in Canada sells this as Magic Oil.

> Source Naturals has a product that uses several forms of magnesium and

> I have heard good things about that (don't remember the name) - but it

> can be found at the Source Natural web site.<<<<<

>

> >

> > My stomach can't take magnesium. I take it with calcium and small

> > amounts of recup, take epsom baths, but they wipe me out. Can you

> > post your magnesium foods

>

> Most people can take the protein bound forms of magnesium like

> aspartates and oratates......

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>

> You can make your own " Magic Oil " by dissolving some Epson salt in very hot

> water and then adding this saturated solution to your favorite skin cream or

> emu oil.

>

****Wow, mjh, you're just having entirely too much fun with healing

Katrina

Kirkmam's Lab also has a topical/trandermal Magnesium product.

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> _http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

>

> Most people can take the protein bound forms of magnesium like

> aspartates and oratates. There is a new product being sold that many

> have had good success with it is called Magnesium oil - this is

> applied to the skin or used in the bath for soaking - the magnesium is

> absorbed through the skin and several have said they got good results

> with none of the side-effects of taking it by mouth (the problem of

> stomach problems comes mainly from the oxide form). You can Google -

> magnesium oil - the Wolfe Clinic in Canada sells this as Magic Oil.

> Source Naturals has a product that uses several forms of magnesium and

> I have heard good things about that (don't remember the name) - but it

> can be found at the Source Natural web site.

>

>

>

>

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Katrina

Gotta find some ways to have fun when the other stuff is not possible!

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

****Wow, mjh, you're just having entirely too much fun with healing

Katrina

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Hi Vicky

Magnesium oxide is not very bioavailable to the body so is probably not too bad (Think Milk of Magnesia from when you were a kid)... Really absorbable stuff would be Metabolics or other Ionic stuff....

How much are you giving? I would suspect if he is doing good and his bowels are soft he has been suffering a bit from this (eg been a bit bunged up), so perhaps been a bit too hard (poohs) and hard (difficult) for him to pass.

Have you done a clear out recently/ever? I would use oxypowder (Mandimart) - for the looseness element which seems to be helping him (this is Magnesium Oxide too). I use Magnesium malate - 140 mg (Evenings - I am actaully going to stop this and go completely to Mag Citrate) and Magnesium citrate (Thorne, dont buy from Nutricentre, bloody rip off, tell me if you want I send you some from Cally, I have millions!!) with meals (I think this helps us with possible oxalate problems) I use 2-3 caps per day spread out...

Oxypowder is one of the best products I have EVER come across and been doing this a lotta years and changed products a LOTTA times!!

I am just about to start using it again, in fact cant really remember why I stooped it now....

God I talk too much...

PS This Magnesium stuff is critical for us with impacted kids which in my opinion is most... Jiggle it by, first clear him out, use tonnes of probios, then get him on maintenance dose of oxy (one a night for most or half), if you adding in other Magnesium get him loose then gradually (very!) cut back til motions just OK...

Oh Yes, Love me bowel talk dont I just!!

Lotsa Love and Big Hugs

Caroline

xxx

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Thanks ladies, I think it harks back to the days when he used to have permanent diarrhoea, tend to think loose bowels and are not a good idea, but could be the case he does need a clear out, because his gut is now really one fairly firm movement a day, and he is just so happy with himself.

I'm also wondering if he suffers from trapped wind and the magnesium shifts it along.

He has always had these sudden screaming episodes, goes from very happy and content to out of the blue screaming and big tears, always having to guess with a non verbal child.

The enzymes really helped in reducing his reflux and not allowing any jumping around or fried, this reduced the screaming so obviously pain is often at the root cause of it.

We did do oxypowder Caroline but he just got too loose, very good with though who is often constipated, and yes I do remember milk of magnesia from childhood that and Malt, yea gods it was a miserable time lol.

Will stick with the higher dose which is 2x 180mg had been doing just once a day, and see how he gets along.

Thanks

Vicky

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We are using Magnesium Oxide, which is the best for a loose child rather than constipated?

>>I like Magnesium Chloride - as in Ionic - its has other benefits over just providing Magnesium, helps with gut bugs, immune system etc. Tastes salty - needs to be well diluted, buzz me later about it

Mandi x

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In the DeFelice book she says Oxide for constipation and compounds ending in "ate" for behaviour because the former is not digested but the latter are. (approx). On reading this we switched but it seemed to have no effect on anything

>>We have used Magnesium Oxide with good effect for yonks - its part of the Kirkman Melatonin Plus

Mandi x

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O.K. Mandi thanks, can wait till your feeling better, would rather you were having a nice rest.

Vicky

xxxxxxxxxxx

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In the DeFelice book she says Oxide for constipation and

compounds ending in "ate" for behaviour because the former is not

digested but the latter are. (approx). On reading this we switched but

it seemed to have no effect on anything

xx Sally

veronicamadigan wrote:

I have upped 's magnesium and we have a very happy, jolly

conected

boy, BUT he stinks, mega wind, am expecting a huge blow out any minute

now.

When I first introduced magnesium ages ago I noticed he was very good

on it but his bowels turned to mush, really sloppy and fould smelling,

so we reduced, but I like the affect it seems to have on his behaviours

and would really like to stay at the higher dose.

We are using Magnesium Oxide, which is the best for a loose child

rather than constipated?

TI

Vicky

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Just read it again. Maybe he feels better although he stinks. ie maybe

his bowels are making him grumpy and the good effect is having

diarrhoea and not being constipated

Sally

veronicamadigan wrote:

I have upped 's magnesium and we have a very happy, jolly

conected

boy, BUT he stinks, mega wind, am expecting a huge blow out any minute

now.

When I first introduced magnesium ages ago I noticed he was very good

on it but his bowels turned to mush, really sloppy and fould smelling,

so we reduced, but I like the affect it seems to have on his behaviours

and would really like to stay at the higher dose.

We are using Magnesium Oxide, which is the best for a loose child

rather than constipated?

TI

Vicky

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that is one those fantastically useful pieces of information that you

wonder about but never know. thanks for posting. Now, how to remember

it - ate, is something you ate and digested. Hmm, needs work.

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HiCaroline

Where is Thorne to get magnesium citrate? And do they do capsules. We

can only get Charlie to go(bm) every other day so maybe I should up

Magnesium.

Thanks

Peta-

-- In Autism Treatment , CarolineTraa@...

wrote:

>

> Hi Vicky

>

> Magnesium oxide is not very bioavailable to the body so is probably

not too

> bad (Think Milk of Magnesia from when you were a kid)... Really

absorbable

> stuff would be Metabolics or other Ionic stuff....

>

> How much are you giving? I would suspect if he is doing good and

his bowels

> are soft he has been suffering a bit from this (eg been a bit

bunged up), so

> perhaps been a bit too hard (poohs) and hard (difficult) for him to

pass.

>

> Have you done a clear out recently/ever? I would use oxypowder

(Mandimart)

> - for the looseness element which seems to be helping him (this is

Magnesium

> Oxide too). I use Magnesium malate - 140 mg (Evenings - I am

actaully going

> to stop this and go completely to Mag Citrate) and Magnesium

citrate (Thorne,

> dont buy from Nutricentre, bloody rip off, tell me if you want I

send you

> some from Cally, I have millions!!) with meals (I think this helps

us with

> possible oxalate problems) I use 2-3 caps per day spread out...

>

> Oxypowder is one of the best products I have EVER come across and

been doing

> this a lotta years and changed products a LOTTA times!!

>

> I am just about to start using it again, in fact cant really

remember why I

> stooped it now....

>

> God I talk too much...

>

> PS This Magnesium stuff is critical for us with impacted kids which

in my

> opinion is most... Jiggle it by, first clear him out, use tonnes of

probios,

> then get him on maintenance dose of oxy (one a night for most or

half), if you

> adding in other Magnesium get him loose then gradually (very!) cut

back til

> motions just OK...

>

> Oh Yes, Love me bowel talk dont I just!!

>

> Lotsa Love and Big Hugs

> Caroline

> xxx

>

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I have Swanon Ultra Mag Oil (no affiliation). Yes, it stings and can be

itchy annoying. I try to put it on at least once per day. I can literally

feel something especially if I apply directly after a sauna treatment. I

feel an energy shift. I have tried oral supps and it’s my GI tract just

can’t deal, even with ½ doses.. I will try the lotion next to see if it’s

any less annoying to use, but I def recommend it to all. I don’t know what

my levels are but many of the Organic Acids test indicated a need for it.

Best - Wendi

Wendi Carrillo

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of kachinacreek

Sent: Monday, September 28, 2009 12:36 PM

Subject: Magnesium

Steve & Janet,

I'm sure Rich will have some great input for you about this and I also

wanted to let you know that Pall speaks to the significance of

magnesium for CFS and other illnesses in his book " Explaining Unexplained

Illnesses " and in his posts to the group 'The Tenth Paradigm Society'.

Many of these posts are saved in folders in the Links section of that group.

He may have also posted the information on his website

www.thetenthparadigm.org but I have not checked.

Also, in the Links section of The Tenth Paradigm Society there is a folder

on the Pall Protocol in which there is another folder on Magnesium.

Dr. Norm Shealy is a huge advocate of magnesium and has much to say on his

website which is www.selfhealthsystems.com, look at the Archived

Newsletters, Shealy Protocols and Optimal Recommendations.

He says that a person can restore magnesium in 10 2 gm IV applications

(about 2 weeks), magnesium chloride lotion 2x/day (about 4-6 weeks), or oral

supplementation of magnesium taurate (6 - 12 months). His double blind

research studies resulted in a conclusion that only topical magnesium

chloride also raised levels of DHEA.

Dr. Shealy's Magnesium Lotion is the best priced transdermal magnesium out

there unless a person makes it themselves. His lotion delivers 150 mg per

tsp and is recommended to apply 2 tsp 2x/day. The lowest price on that can

be found at www.springvalleyherbs.com. Dr. Shealy also sells the lotion and

magnesium chloride crystals on his website to use as a soak or to make Mg

oil.

The lowest price I have found on USP magnesium chloride crystals is from

Bulk Reef Supply (yes, that is an aquarium supply company) and other folks

have purchased it from Get Tanked though I do not know if their product is

USP.

I found this recipe on Earth Clinic:

1/2 C Magnesium Chloride Flakes

1/2 C Boiling spring or distilled water (water source must be free of

chlorine, etc.)

Put this in a spray bottle, it is a one week supply. 8 sprays delivers about

100 mg of elemental magnesium. It can sting or feel sticky to the touch so

it can be further diluted to help with the stinging. Can be washed off after

20 minutes if desired.

I have purchased some of the Mg crystals and when they arrive I am hoping to

make a lotion rather than the oil and foresee agonizing over how to figure

out how much Mg is in one teaspoon. Not a strong point of mine :-)

Amber

>

> > Hi Rich, Kurt and All,

>

> > She entirely missed by extreme need for magnesium ... "

>

> > Janet

> >

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Thanks Amber for the very comprehensive explanation

Can you tell us

What results you are getting with magnesium ?

Steve

On Sep 28, 2009, at 11:36 AM, kachinacreek wrote:

> Steve & Janet,

>

> I'm sure Rich will have some great input for you about this and I

> also wanted to let you know that Pall speaks to the

> significance of magnesium for CFS and other illnesses in his book

> " Explaining Unexplained Illnesses " and in his posts to the

> group 'The Tenth Paradigm Society'. Many of these posts are saved in

> folders in the Links section of that group. He may have also posted

> the information on his website www.thetenthparadigm.org but I have

> not checked.

>

> Also, in the Links section of The Tenth Paradigm Society there is a

> folder on the Pall Protocol in which there is another folder on

> Magnesium.

>

> Dr. Norm Shealy is a huge advocate of magnesium and has much to say

> on his website which is www.selfhealthsystems.com, look at the

> Archived Newsletters, Shealy Protocols and Optimal Recommendations.

>

> He says that a person can restore magnesium in 10 2 gm IV

> applications (about 2 weeks), magnesium chloride lotion 2x/day

> (about 4-6 weeks), or oral supplementation of magnesium taurate (6 -

> 12 months). His double blind research studies resulted in a

> conclusion that only topical magnesium chloride also raised levels

> of DHEA.

>

> Dr. Shealy's Magnesium Lotion is the best priced transdermal

> magnesium out there unless a person makes it themselves. His lotion

> delivers 150 mg per tsp and is recommended to apply 2 tsp 2x/day.

> The lowest price on that can be found at www.springvalleyherbs.com.

> Dr. Shealy also sells the lotion and magnesium chloride crystals on

> his website to use as a soak or to make Mg oil.

>

> The lowest price I have found on USP magnesium chloride crystals is

> from Bulk Reef Supply (yes, that is an aquarium supply company) and

> other folks have purchased it from Get Tanked though I do not know

> if their product is USP.

>

> I found this recipe on Earth Clinic:

>

> 1/2 C Magnesium Chloride Flakes

> 1/2 C Boiling spring or distilled water (water source must be free

> of chlorine, etc.)

>

> Put this in a spray bottle, it is a one week supply. 8 sprays

> delivers about 100 mg of elemental magnesium. It can sting or feel

> sticky to the touch so it can be further diluted to help with the

> stinging. Can be washed off after 20 minutes if desired.

>

> I have purchased some of the Mg crystals and when they arrive I am

> hoping to make a lotion rather than the oil and foresee agonizing

> over how to figure out how much Mg is in one teaspoon. Not a strong

> point of mine :-)

>

> Amber

>

>

> >

> > > Hi Rich, Kurt and All,

> >

> > > She entirely missed by extreme need for magnesium ... "

> >

> > > Janet

> > >

>

>

>

" Why do the babies starve when there's enough food to feed the world?

Why are missiles called peacekeepers when there aimed to kill? "

Chapman

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Hi

You say you experience an energy shift after a sauna

Can you splain that?

Thanks

Steve

On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Wendi Carrillo wrote:

> I have Swanon Ultra Mag Oil (no affiliation). Yes, it stings and can

> be

> itchy annoying. I try to put it on at least once per day. I can

> literally

> feel something especially if I apply directly after a sauna

> treatment. I

> feel an energy shift.

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It is hard to explain, Steve... I just know that I feel a bit depleted

usually after I come out of the sauna and I shower then spray it all over my

torso. I feel a physical shift of energy inside like I was feeling rough one

second and serene the next; just better.. It's so hard to explain. I don't

get that shift lately. I got it in the beginning. Maybe this is a sign of

normalizing or optimizing, but not sure.

Wendi Carrillo

Re: Magnesium

Hi

You say you experience an energy shift after a sauna

Can you splain that?

Thanks

Steve

On Sep 28, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Wendi Carrillo wrote:

> I have Swanon Ultra Mag Oil (no affiliation). Yes, it stings and can

> be

> itchy annoying. I try to put it on at least once per day. I can

> literally

> feel something especially if I apply directly after a sauna

> treatment. I

> feel an energy shift.

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I use Mag Glycinate and Mag Malate both Kirkman, if Sam could swallow pills I'd be giving Magnesium Chloride FWIW

Mandi x

In a message dated 10/05/2010 17:31:34 GMT Daylight Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

What brand of magnesium are people using?

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Is mag chloride Kirkmans also Mandi

TIA

Vicky In a message dated 10/05/2010 17:44:22 GMT Daylight Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

use Mag Glycinate and Mag Malate both Kirkman, if Sam could swallow pills I'd be giving Magnesium Chloride FWIW

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No, I forget the make but I have some here if you want a few to try let me know

Mandi x

In a message dated 10/05/2010 18:53:52 GMT Daylight Time, MaddiganV@... writes:

Is mag chloride Kirkmans also Mandi

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Could you look at high mag foods..

 

Highest is Cocoa, then oats and then nuts such as soaked cashews... I believe...We have similar probs with Zinc in our son and have to use rich zinc foods rather than supps and he seems better with them.. I think it may be something to do with a more complex mineral structure in the foods.

 

Best Wishes

 

 

 

Tracey

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:13 PM, veronicamadigan <MaddiganV@...> wrote:

 

What brand of magnesium are people using?Anyone recommend for sensitive child, used Kirkman mag oxide before seems intolerant so any suggestions?TIAVicky

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We use mag malate by Metabolics and E-Lyte magnesium drops.