Magnesium

March 6, 2005

http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

BEST

Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste , @ @ , 10% Mg

Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia pain @ , cheap ,

tolerable bad taste @

...... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get it.

............energy includes nervous energy

Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ , very mild

laxative

Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest , found in all drug

stores

WORST

>

> There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most easily

> absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post or

> send me the info, or at least share what was the general consensus of

> which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

>

March 6, 2005

One addition,

I read that mg taurate is also well absorbed and has some anxiety

relieving effect.

I read that mg chelated and liquid magnesium are also well

absorbed.What do you think on that?

I am also thinking to try mg chloride as it might help me with low

stomach acidity.

Thanks.

Nil

> http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

>

> BEST

>

> Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste ,

@ @ , 10% Mg

> Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

pain @ , cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get

it.

> ...........energy includes nervous energy

> Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

very mild laxative

> Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

found in all drug stores

>

> WORST

>

> >

> > There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

easily

> > absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> > good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> > review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

or

> > send me the info, or at least share what was the general

consensus of

> > which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> >

>

March 6, 2005

Wow, Bob, thank you for all this info. I wasn't the person who requested

it, but I do have low magnesium (especially since the treatment from

another--unnamed--website), so I find this information very useful.

Re: MAGNESIUM

>

> http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

>

> BEST

>

> Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste , @ @ ,

> 10% Mg

> Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia pain @ ,

> cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get it.

> ...........energy includes nervous energy

> Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ , very mild

> laxative

> Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest , found in

> all drug stores

>

> WORST

>

>>

>> There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most easily

>> absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

>> good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

>> review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post or

>> send me the info, or at least share what was the general consensus of

>> which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

>>

>

March 6, 2005

Hi Nil,

Mg-taurate is great , but expensive.

Looks like you would want sedation so - Mg-glycinate and taurine. Taurine

is very cheap.

>

> One addition,

>

> I read that mg taurate is also well absorbed and has some anxiety

> relieving effect.

>

> I read that mg chelated and liquid magnesium are also well

> absorbed.What do you think on that?

>

> I am also thinking to try mg chloride as it might help me with low

> stomach acidity.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Nil

>

> > http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

> >

> > BEST

> >

> > Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste ,

> @ @ , 10% Mg

> > Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

> pain @ , cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> > ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get

> it.

> > ...........energy includes nervous energy

> > Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> > Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

> very mild laxative

> > Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> > Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> > Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> > Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

> found in all drug stores

> >

> > WORST

> >

> > >

> > > There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

> easily

> > > absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> > > good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> > > review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

> or

> > > send me the info, or at least share what was the general

> consensus of

> > > which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> > >

> >

March 7, 2005

> Wow, Bob, thank you for all this info. I wasn't the person who

requested

> it, but I do have low magnesium (especially since the treatment

from

> another--unnamed--website), so I find this information very useful.

>

> Re: MAGNESIUM

>

> >

> > http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

> >

> > BEST

> >

> > Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet

taste , @ @ ,

> > 10% Mg

> > Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

pain @ ,

> > cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> > ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may

get it.

> > ...........energy includes nervous energy

> > Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> > Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

very mild

> > laxative

> > Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> > Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> > Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> > Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

found in

> > all drug stores

> >

> > WORST

> >

> >>

> >> There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

easily

> >> absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> >> good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> >> review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

or

> >> send me the info, or at least share what was the general

consensus of

> >> which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> >>

> >

March 9, 2005

Sorry, I'm going back a bit here. Does anyone use magnesium and taurine

before bed to induce sleep and if so does it work - and at what amounts?

Does anyone know of any evidence that the combination might induce or

help to promote level 4 non-rem?

Any info gratefully received. Rosie

Subject: Re: Re: MAGNESIUM

Hi Nil,

Mg-taurate is great , but expensive.

Looks like you would want sedation so - Mg-glycinate and taurine.

Taurine

is very cheap.

>

> One addition,

>

> I read that mg taurate is also well absorbed and has some anxiety

> relieving effect.

>

> I read that mg chelated and liquid magnesium are also well

> absorbed.What do you think on that?

>

> I am also thinking to try mg chloride as it might help me with low

> stomach acidity.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Nil

>

> > http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

> >

> > BEST

> >

> > Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste ,

> @ @ , 10% Mg

> > Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

> pain @ , cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> > ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get

> it.

> > ...........energy includes nervous energy

> > Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> > Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> > Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

> very mild laxative

> > Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> > Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> > Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> > Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

> found in all drug stores

> >

> > WORST

> >

> > >

> > > There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

> easily

> > > absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> > > good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> > > review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

> or

> > > send me the info, or at least share what was the general

> consensus of

> > > which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> > >

> >

March 10, 2005

Hi Rosie -

The only study on magnesium and slow wave sleep is here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & dopt=Abstra\

ct & list_uids=12163983

It showed that it helped elderly people with slow wave sleep, but that

includes both stage 3 and 4 of sleep. If you really want stage 4

sleep, have you tried xyrem? Few drugs or supplements can really

affect stage 4 sleep (at least consistently).

Note: A disruption of stage 4 sleep doesn't occur with everyone with

fibromyalgia, nor is this problem specific to fibromyalgia.

Mar

> > > http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

> > >

> > > BEST

> > >

> > > Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste ,

> > @ @ , 10% Mg

> > > Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

> > pain @ , cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> > > ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get

> > it.

> > > ...........energy includes nervous energy

> > > Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> > > Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> > > Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> > > Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

> > very mild laxative

> > > Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> > > Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> > > Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> > > Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

> > found in all drug stores

> > >

> > > WORST

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

> > easily

> > > > absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have bet

> > > > good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready to

> > > > review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

> > or

> > > > send me the info, or at least share what was the general

> > consensus of

> > > > which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> > > >

> > >

March 11, 2005

Hi Mark,

Many thanks for this info, the report, though brief is very interesting.

I 'only' have ME, not FM, but do suspect that my level 4 sleep is

affected ( but don't have any positive proof of that). I haven't heard

of Xyrem but will look it up.

The annoying thing re the Magnesium is getting hold of a good source in

the UK. Presumably the effervescent variety mentioned in the study is

US product - I haven't noticed anything like that here, but being

effervescent it would presumably get into the blood stream quicker at

night than ordinary tablets.

Rosie.

Subject: Re: MAGNESIUM

Hi Rosie -

The only study on magnesium and slow wave sleep is here:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=pubmed & do

pt=Abstract & list_uids=12163983>

& db=pubmed & dopt=Abstract & list_uids=12163983

It showed that it helped elderly people with slow wave sleep, but that

includes both stage 3 and 4 of sleep. If you really want stage 4

sleep, have you tried xyrem? Few drugs or supplements can really

affect stage 4 sleep (at least consistently).

Note: A disruption of stage 4 sleep doesn't occur with everyone with

fibromyalgia, nor is this problem specific to fibromyalgia.

Mar

> > > http://www.geocities.com/GuaiWhey/Mg1.htm

> > >

> > > BEST

> > >

> > > Mg-glycinate = best absorbed , famous for sedation , sweet taste ,

> > @ @ , 10% Mg

> > > Mg-malic = easily absorbed , famous for energy and fibromyalgia

> > pain @ , cheap , tolerable bad taste @

> > > ..... be careful what you wish for , sedation/energy , you may get

> > it.

> > > ...........energy includes nervous energy

> > > Mg-gluconate = easily absorbed

> > > Mg-carbonate = easily absorbed

> > > Mg-salicylate = Doan's pills

> > > Mg-citrate = famous for vulvodynia @ and kidney/gall stones @ ,

> > very mild laxative

> > > Mg-sulfate = epsom salt , mild laxative

> > > Mg-hydroxide = milk of magnesia , antacid , mild laxative

> > > Mg-chloride = probably laxative due to hypochlorhydra

> > > Mg-oxide = poorly absorbed , very strong laxative , cheapest ,

> > found in all drug stores

> > >

> > > WORST

> > >

> > > >

> > > > There's was much discussion not too long ago about the most

> > easily

> > > > absorbable magnesium. I've searched my records and would have

bet

> > > > good money I saved all those discussions (which I am now ready

to

> > > > review) and do not have a one. Would some kind soul please post

> > or

> > > > send me the info, or at least share what was the general

> > consensus of

> > > > which form of magnesium to take. Thank you. -anne

> > > >

> > >

March 11, 2005

> I 'only' have ME, not FM, but do suspect that my level 4 sleep is

> affected ( but don't have any positive proof of that).

A lot of people with that problem who have fibromyalgia, end up waking

up consistently waking up in the middle of the night at least once.

Without medication, I'll wake up at around 3:30 AM, guaranteed.

> I haven't heard of Xyrem but will look it up.

You probably won't with Xyrem, then. This is for people who

definitely have been established via sleep tests with certain

disturbed sleep patterns.

> The annoying thing re the Magnesium is getting hold of a good source in

> the UK. Presumably the effervescent variety mentioned in the study is

> US product - I haven't noticed anything like that here, but being

> effervescent it would presumably get into the blood stream quicker at

> night than ordinary tablets.

The magnesium they used was simply magnesium oxide, which is not the

best form, but is the cheapest. I don't know if the effervescent

pills really make it any more easily absorbed. Personally, I take

capsules rather than tables. Some people say that liquid forms work a

lot better for them.

IMHO, I don't think magnesium by itself is going to make a huge

difference. Everyone that I know of with fibromyalgia, uses a

combination of several supplements and/or meds to help their sleep.

Mark

March 11, 2005

Thanks for that. I did look up xyrem and didn't realize it was the

date-rape drug. Judging by my response to everything I've taken so far

which affects the brain, I think I'd better avoid it!

Rosie

Subject: Re: MAGNESIUM

> I 'only' have ME, not FM, but do suspect that my level 4 sleep is

> affected ( but don't have any positive proof of that).

A lot of people with that problem who have fibromyalgia, end up waking

up consistently waking up in the middle of the night at least once.

Without medication, I'll wake up at around 3:30 AM, guaranteed.

> I haven't heard of Xyrem but will look it up.

You probably won't with Xyrem, then. This is for people who

definitely have been established via sleep tests with certain

disturbed sleep patterns.

> The annoying thing re the Magnesium is getting hold of a good source

in

> the UK. Presumably the effervescent variety mentioned in the study is

> US product - I haven't noticed anything like that here, but being

> effervescent it would presumably get into the blood stream quicker at

> night than ordinary tablets.

The magnesium they used was simply magnesium oxide, which is not the

best form, but is the cheapest. I don't know if the effervescent

pills really make it any more easily absorbed. Personally, I take

capsules rather than tables. Some people say that liquid forms work a

lot better for them.

IMHO, I don't think magnesium by itself is going to make a huge

difference. Everyone that I know of with fibromyalgia, uses a

combination of several supplements and/or meds to help their sleep.

Mark

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each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

June 27, 2005

Hi Bonnie,

I started taking magnesium for my " Raynaud's Disease " and for constipation. I

take 600 mg. of Magnesium before breakfast and 600 before bed. It's best to take

it without food. I use the citrate and oxide forms with no problems. It has

helped both of these problems and it also has helped another problem that I

didn't even know that it would help:

For the last 20 yrs. or so when I went outside in the sun I would get an

intense itchy rash a couple hrs. later so bad that I felt like taking a brush

and scratchy it too death, I didn't do that but honey I sure felt like it. Over

the yrs. it has gotten so bad that I couldn't even go out to my driveway just to

say goodbye to someone without breaking out with this rash. I had to keep

sunscreen right by my door reminding to apply it even if I was just going out

for a couple of minutes. Talk about a pain in the neck. :-o But now since I

started using the magnesium I have very little problems with that rash. I'm

actually getting a little tan for the 1st time in my life this year because of

the itchy problem being so much better. There may be other things that magnesium

has helped me with, but these 3 are the ones that I can think of right now.

Try finding the magnesium book at the library. It mentions that most people are

deficient in magnesium and many problems are helped when the right amount is

added. It also talks about the importance of taking enough other vitamins and

minerals together so that you get the right balance.

Love, Liz

---

Hi Liz,

I take extra magnesium, but I have absolutely no idea what the recommended

dosages are. I take it (typically) in the citrate form -- somewhere I read that

that's the best way to get it into your body -- true????

I would love to know how magnesium has helped you, how much you take, and what

form you take. I'm afraid that it's one of those supplements that I read

something about, was extremely impressed, but then never did a lot more research

on.....

Thanks for any and all information!

Bonnie

June 28, 2005

Bonnie,

I take magnesium as a sup to go along with calcium and zinc... It's a good

combo and recommended... I take 750 mgs at night with the cal and zinc. { I

could and should probably up my dose} I've always been told to take it at

night, but for the life of me, right now I can't remember the reason... I've

also found out recently that mag with an 'ate' is the best way to take it...

So the citrate is good... And again, I can't remember why...LOL I had a

VERY long, hot and stressful day at the soup kitchen, so my brain is more fired

than usual}... I don't think I added anything to what Liz said, but I

thought I'd jump right in anyway

Love ya...

June 28, 2005

I take half in the morning, and half before bed (along with whatever is in my

morning multi-vitamin/mineral tablet) -- wonder why the evening

recommendation??? I am afraid to simply switch, since Mg has a laxative effect

-- think that if there is a good reason, then I better do it slowly.....

I've also been reading that zinc can help with memory, and my memory is pretty

bad...so maybe I ought to add it. How much Zn do you take? Does it help you with

memory (or did you never have a problem????).

I absolutely hate to take " too many " pills, so I try to customize what I do

take, so that there's only 5-8 tabs at any given time (I was once married to a

man who took so many vitamins that he actually bought the powdered stuff and

mixed it into water, and he would chug down handfuls [30-40] of them frequently

throughout the day -- and he's in really bad physical shape now, the extra

vitamins didn't help him (he's had a heart attack, several strokes, has impaired

speech, walks with a cane or a walker, memory loss, and a huge " belly " region --

and his color is really dark, imagine it's connected to blood problems -- and

he's my age, 61, with a strong genetic background -- I think he over-dosed

himself into trouble). I'm afraid that his excessive vitamin indulgence (at the

expense of feeding and clothing the kids!) got to be a really sore point with

me, and I find I still don't want to " overdo " it - lol!

Bonnie

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