Magnesium

[Guest guest]

When you take too much magnesium you get diarrhea. Must be your body's way

of getting rid of it.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hi Sharon

Perhaps check out this site which promotes hydration using Magnesium Oxide

as probably the best colon cleansing and apply the first step for detoxi

program. Most interesting..

www.denmar.net.

cheers.

At 08:37 19/03/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " Sharon L. House " <shouse@...>

>

>When you take too much magnesium you get diarrhea. Must be your body's way

>of getting rid of it.

>

>Sharon

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" From: Reg Lee <reglee@...>

Hi Sharon

Perhaps check out this site which promotes hydration using Magnesium Oxide

as probably the best colon cleansing and apply the first step for detoxi

program. Most interesting..

www.denmar.net.

cheers. "

Thanks! Great site!

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Hmmm, should I speak or hold my peace.

Let's just say, I like to use amino acid chelates, my " preference " . I like

the liquid for absorbtion (it's quicker), but that doesn't mean better.

And my " favorite " lab is Albion Labs who makes minerals for Futurebiotics.

Magnesium being what it is, I'm sure that the Walmart brand would suffice

as well. I'm just a " nutrition snob " I suppose. Whatever I am, I only use

nutrition that " works " , so if I don't notice any changes, I don't use it.

I've been on numerous cleansing programs that were a total waste and wash

of cash. Which leads us into another discussion entirely, but we won't go

there now. Save that for later. I'm still chewing my cud on water safety,

toxins and drugs in my water supply, and the problems with the hormones in

milk.

I further declare, that the planet is unsafe, and that everything that you

have learned in school is useless for real life. It's becoming increasing

clear that Einstein should have been elected to president with his well

known slogan, " Today's problems will never be solved in the consciousness

in which they were created " .

I think that in our efforts to dissect, and choose the right products that

we can economically justify, etc, etc, we lose sight of the BIG PICTURE.

ESSENTIALS.

We need to focus on the essentials. Such as, how many of us ate 5 servings

of RAW, whole, green leafy veggies. It's 9pm, EST, and my kids are in bed.

I'm FINALLY going to get my salad for the day. (if I was in the mood, I

start a rant about how I took my Master Formula religiously today, but I

dare not go there with the current MLM backlash we are experiencing.)

In the meantime, my favorite stress-buster of late, is going to

http://www. and playing canasta. If anyone would like to join me,

you can find me at the speedy genius's tables under the alias of zeropoint.

Canasta is wonderful, because it gives me an opportunity to practice my

breathing exercises at the same time that I play. Absent any real friends

locally, at least any interested in playing canasta (didn't everyone used

to play cards for fun, instead of TV??? that's the way I grew up, from what

I remember), this is this single mother's answer to entertainment.

Be blessed and be well,

for one more day,

At 05:32 PM 12/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

>Joe Peppe writes:

>

>> What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water Oz

>> company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He says

>> his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to split

>his

>> minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

>> authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

>

>Joe,

> This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body performs

>trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

>little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of our

>lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of these

> " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

>assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

>will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

>infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

>concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions, nature

>has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable if

>they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

>control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

>

>

>

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Thanks ,

I know we can't improve on nature. This guy says he's improving on

colloidal mineral supplements that I 've been told do more harm than good by

quite a few doctors. Have you heard his $1.oo tape? I'll send you one if you

would like to critique what he is saying. I'm sure I'm not doing the man

justice. Tell us some more about your liquid GSH if you want. We're

genuinely interested. Thanks for responding. You have humorous way with

words.

What personal cancer/disease did you beat and how did you do it? If

you care to share we're interested also.

Godspeed,

drpeppe@...

Magnesium

> Joe Peppe writes:

>

> > What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water Oz

> > company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He

says

> > his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to split

> his

> > minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> > authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

>

> Joe,

> This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body performs

> trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of

our

> lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of these

> " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

> assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

> will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

nature

> has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable if

> they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

> control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

>

>

>

>

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,

I second that witness on Albion Labs. Mr. Albion holds the only patent on

real chelation of a mineral. Everyone else is either a liar or they stole

his chelation process and are using it illegally.

My x wife taught me canasta, havn't played for about 15 years but enjoyed it

and I havn't owned a T.V. for three.

drpeppe@...

Re: Magnesium

> Hmmm, should I speak or hold my peace.

>

> Let's just say, I like to use amino acid chelates, my " preference " . I

like

> the liquid for absorbtion (it's quicker), but that doesn't mean better.

> And my " favorite " lab is Albion Labs who makes minerals for Futurebiotics.

>

> Magnesium being what it is, I'm sure that the Walmart brand would suffice

> as well. I'm just a " nutrition snob " I suppose. Whatever I am, I only

use

> nutrition that " works " , so if I don't notice any changes, I don't use it.

>

> I've been on numerous cleansing programs that were a total waste and wash

> of cash. Which leads us into another discussion entirely, but we won't go

> there now. Save that for later. I'm still chewing my cud on water

safety,

> toxins and drugs in my water supply, and the problems with the hormones in

> milk.

>

> I further declare, that the planet is unsafe, and that everything that you

> have learned in school is useless for real life. It's becoming

increasing

> clear that Einstein should have been elected to president with his well

> known slogan, " Today's problems will never be solved in the consciousness

> in which they were created " .

>

> I think that in our efforts to dissect, and choose the right products that

> we can economically justify, etc, etc, we lose sight of the BIG PICTURE.

>

> ESSENTIALS.

>

> We need to focus on the essentials. Such as, how many of us ate 5

servings

> of RAW, whole, green leafy veggies. It's 9pm, EST, and my kids are in

bed.

> I'm FINALLY going to get my salad for the day. (if I was in the mood, I

> start a rant about how I took my Master Formula religiously today, but I

> dare not go there with the current MLM backlash we are experiencing.)

>

> In the meantime, my favorite stress-buster of late, is going to

> http://www. and playing canasta. If anyone would like to join

me,

> you can find me at the speedy genius's tables under the alias of

zeropoint.

>

> Canasta is wonderful, because it gives me an opportunity to practice my

> breathing exercises at the same time that I play. Absent any real friends

> locally, at least any interested in playing canasta (didn't everyone used

> to play cards for fun, instead of TV??? that's the way I grew up, from

what

> I remember), this is this single mother's answer to entertainment.

>

> Be blessed and be well,

> for one more day,

>

>

> At 05:32 PM 12/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

> >Joe Peppe writes:

> >

> >> What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water

Oz

> >> company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He

says

> >> his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

split

> >his

> >> minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> >> authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

> >

> >Joe,

> > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body performs

> >trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> >little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of

our

> >lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of these

> > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

> >assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

> >will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> >infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> >concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

nature

> >has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable if

> >they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

> >control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

> >

> >

> >

> >

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[Guest guest]

Hello Joe,

First of all I don't have cancer. I do have an obsessive interest in

it. I wear a lot of hats but the one that I've worn the longest is that of

medicinal chemist and clinical researcher. I have made hundreds and

hundreds of otherwise unobtainable meds for cancer and certain other

chronic diseases. I usually can't discuss these as I make them for various

docs, clinics, small companies, etc. and in the info age everybody wants to

keep their secrets. I don't ever betray secrets but I will nudge people in

a propitious direction if asked.

I no longer make GSH sublingual drops or sprays as they have a thio

odor and the technology is outdated. I rarely mention on the lists the

things that I do or sell, and if I do the purpose is not to sell.

Thanks for the offer to send the tape, but it is hard for me too sit

through a sales pitch.

Magnesium

>

>

> > Joe Peppe writes:

> >

> > > What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water

Oz

> > > company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He

> says

> > > his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

split

> > his

> > > minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> > > authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

> >

> > Joe,

> > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body

performs

> > trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> > little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of

> our

> > lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of

these

> > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

> > assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

> > will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> > infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> > concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

> nature

> > has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable

if

> > they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

> > control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

QuestIVHealth has a micro-mineral thats organic and chelated. Check it out

Love

LloydAt 08:38 PM 12/5/99 -0600, you wrote:

>,

>I second that witness on Albion Labs. Mr. Albion holds the only patent on

>real chelation of a mineral. Everyone else is either a liar or they stole

>his chelation process and are using it illegally.

>My x wife taught me canasta, havn't played for about 15 years but enjoyed it

>and I havn't owned a T.V. for three.

>drpeppe@...

>

> Re: Magnesium

>

>

>> Hmmm, should I speak or hold my peace.

>>

>> Let's just say, I like to use amino acid chelates, my " preference " . I

>like

>> the liquid for absorbtion (it's quicker), but that doesn't mean better.

>> And my " favorite " lab is Albion Labs who makes minerals for Futurebiotics.

>>

>> Magnesium being what it is, I'm sure that the Walmart brand would suffice

>> as well. I'm just a " nutrition snob " I suppose. Whatever I am, I only

>use

>> nutrition that " works " , so if I don't notice any changes, I don't use it.

>>

>> I've been on numerous cleansing programs that were a total waste and wash

>> of cash. Which leads us into another discussion entirely, but we won't go

>> there now. Save that for later. I'm still chewing my cud on water

>safety,

>> toxins and drugs in my water supply, and the problems with the hormones in

>> milk.

>>

>> I further declare, that the planet is unsafe, and that everything that you

>> have learned in school is useless for real life. It's becoming

>increasing

>> clear that Einstein should have been elected to president with his well

>> known slogan, " Today's problems will never be solved in the consciousness

>> in which they were created " .

>>

>> I think that in our efforts to dissect, and choose the right products that

>> we can economically justify, etc, etc, we lose sight of the BIG PICTURE.

>>

>> ESSENTIALS.

>>

>> We need to focus on the essentials. Such as, how many of us ate 5

>servings

>> of RAW, whole, green leafy veggies. It's 9pm, EST, and my kids are in

>bed.

>> I'm FINALLY going to get my salad for the day. (if I was in the mood, I

>> start a rant about how I took my Master Formula religiously today, but I

>> dare not go there with the current MLM backlash we are experiencing.)

>>

>> In the meantime, my favorite stress-buster of late, is going to

>> http://www. and playing canasta. If anyone would like to join

>me,

>> you can find me at the speedy genius's tables under the alias of

>zeropoint.

>>

>> Canasta is wonderful, because it gives me an opportunity to practice my

>> breathing exercises at the same time that I play. Absent any real friends

>> locally, at least any interested in playing canasta (didn't everyone used

>> to play cards for fun, instead of TV??? that's the way I grew up, from

>what

>> I remember), this is this single mother's answer to entertainment.

>>

>> Be blessed and be well,

>> for one more day,

>>

>>

>> At 05:32 PM 12/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

>> >Joe Peppe writes:

>> >

>> >> What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water

>Oz

>> >> company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He

>says

>> >> his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

>split

>> >his

>> >> minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

>> >> authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

>> >

>> >Joe,

>> > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body performs

>> >trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

>> >little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of

>our

>> >lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of these

>> > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

>> >assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

>> >will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

>> >infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

>> > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

>> >concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

>nature

>> >has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable if

>> >they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

>> >control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

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[Guest guest]

Did your unobtainable meds work for cancer? If so, what's the success

rate? Just curious.

On Sun, 5 Dec 1999, VGammill wrote:

> Hello Joe,

> First of all I don't have cancer. I do have an obsessive interest in

> it. I wear a lot of hats but the one that I've worn the longest is that of

> medicinal chemist and clinical researcher. I have made hundreds and

> hundreds of otherwise unobtainable meds for cancer and certain other

> chronic diseases. I usually can't discuss these as I make them for various

> docs, clinics, small companies, etc. and in the info age everybody wants to

> keep their secrets. I don't ever betray secrets but I will nudge people in

> a propitious direction if asked.

> I no longer make GSH sublingual drops or sprays as they have a thio

> odor and the technology is outdated. I rarely mention on the lists the

> things that I do or sell, and if I do the purpose is not to sell.

> Thanks for the offer to send the tape, but it is hard for me too sit

> through a sales pitch.

>

>

> Magnesium

> >

> >

> > > Joe Peppe writes:

> > >

> > > > What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the Water

> Oz

> > > > company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM) He

> > says

> > > > his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

> split

> > > his

> > > > minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> > > > authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

> > >

> > > Joe,

> > > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body

> performs

> > > trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> > > little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course of

> > our

> > > lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of

> these

> > > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle environmental

> > > assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad reactions

> > > will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> > > infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> > > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> > > concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

> > nature

> > > has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable

> if

> > > they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his personal

> > > control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

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Dr. , I presume,

Thanks for answering me. And no, I'm not trying to sell you anything.

However I am trying to get a free evaluation of what Mr.Bill Rich is talking

about from someone who's opinion I respect.

So what technology replaced the sublingual GSH spray?

And in your opinion what do you mean by saying Immunocal is a low

peformance product. I believe you said something to that effect about 100

e-mails ago.

Are you hiring, I'm job hunting.

Hey cures for cancers team go. We're ripping up the tele-wires on this

website!

At your service,

drpeppe@...

Magnesium

> >

> >

> > > Joe Peppe writes:

> > >

> > > > What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the

Water

> Oz

> > > > company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM)

He

> > says

> > > > his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

> split

> > > his

> > > > minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> > > > authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

> > >

> > > Joe,

> > > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body

> performs

> > > trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> > > little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course

of

> > our

> > > lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of

> these

> > > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle

environmental

> > > assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad

reactions

> > > will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> > > infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> > > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> > > concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

> > nature

> > > has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable

> if

> > > they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his

personal

> > > control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

> > >

> > >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Lloyd,

Can you type out the label of that for me. Does that QuestIVHealth have a

phone # or any pertinant labeling info?

At your service,

drpeppe@...

Re: Magnesium

> >

> >

> >> Hmmm, should I speak or hold my peace.

> >>

> >> Let's just say, I like to use amino acid chelates, my " preference " . I

> >like

> >> the liquid for absorbtion (it's quicker), but that doesn't mean better.

> >> And my " favorite " lab is Albion Labs who makes minerals for

Futurebiotics.

> >>

> >> Magnesium being what it is, I'm sure that the Walmart brand would

suffice

> >> as well. I'm just a " nutrition snob " I suppose. Whatever I am, I only

> >use

> >> nutrition that " works " , so if I don't notice any changes, I don't use

it.

> >>

> >> I've been on numerous cleansing programs that were a total waste and

wash

> >> of cash. Which leads us into another discussion entirely, but we won't

go

> >> there now. Save that for later. I'm still chewing my cud on water

> >safety,

> >> toxins and drugs in my water supply, and the problems with the hormones

in

> >> milk.

> >>

> >> I further declare, that the planet is unsafe, and that everything that

you

> >> have learned in school is useless for real life. It's becoming

> >increasing

> >> clear that Einstein should have been elected to president with his well

> >> known slogan, " Today's problems will never be solved in the

consciousness

> >> in which they were created " .

> >>

> >> I think that in our efforts to dissect, and choose the right products

that

> >> we can economically justify, etc, etc, we lose sight of the BIG

PICTURE.

> >>

> >> ESSENTIALS.

> >>

> >> We need to focus on the essentials. Such as, how many of us ate 5

> >servings

> >> of RAW, whole, green leafy veggies. It's 9pm, EST, and my kids are in

> >bed.

> >> I'm FINALLY going to get my salad for the day. (if I was in the mood,

I

> >> start a rant about how I took my Master Formula religiously today, but

I

> >> dare not go there with the current MLM backlash we are experiencing.)

> >>

> >> In the meantime, my favorite stress-buster of late, is going to

> >> http://www. and playing canasta. If anyone would like to join

> >me,

> >> you can find me at the speedy genius's tables under the alias of

> >zeropoint.

> >>

> >> Canasta is wonderful, because it gives me an opportunity to practice my

> >> breathing exercises at the same time that I play. Absent any real

friends

> >> locally, at least any interested in playing canasta (didn't everyone

used

> >> to play cards for fun, instead of TV??? that's the way I grew up, from

> >what

> >> I remember), this is this single mother's answer to entertainment.

> >>

> >> Be blessed and be well,

> >> for one more day,

> >>

> >>

> >> At 05:32 PM 12/5/99 -0800, you wrote:

> >> >Joe Peppe writes:

> >> >

> >> >> What kind of Magnesium do you take? Liquid? Do you endorse the

Water

> >Oz

> >> >> company liquid minerals by that inventor Mr. Bill Rich..(not MLM)

He

> >says

> >> >> his are the only true usable ones cause he uses a laser somehow to

> >split

> >> >his

> >> >> minerals up into an assimilatable form. Do you or anyone know the

> >> >> authenticity of Bill Rich's claims?

> >> >

> >> >Joe,

> >> > This is patently absurd. Each second of each day your body

performs

> >> >trillions of individual little chemical reactions. Each of these is a

> >> >little experiment. These reactions usually fly, but over the course

of

> >our

> >> >lives untold trillions of these reactions get screwed up. A few of

these

> >> > " experiments " lead to better ways for our nature to handle

environmental

> >> >assaults, etc. This is all done on an unconscious level. Bad

reactions

> >> >will eventually fall by the way side. Nature has eons of time and an

> >> >infinite number of tricks to sort out every situation.

> >> > Along comes a man (and like all of us, trying to make a buck) who

> >> >concludes that all these years and through the zillions of reactions,

> >nature

> >> >has been processing minerals all wrong. Minerals are only assimulable

if

> >> >they have been zapped by a proprietary secret ray gun under his

personal

> >> >control. Mr. Bill Rich will permit you to survive--but for a price.

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

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Joyce asks:

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> Did your unobtainable meds work for cancer? If so, what's the success

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The things that I make and do are not unobtainable. I do my selling to

clinics and then usually give them some sort of exclusive in exchange for

funding. I try to stay out of marketing. Success rates are very deceptive.

One should look at a prospective treatment the same way as buying real

estate. One of the main things you look at is the neighborhood. You ask

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various modalities. Ask of explanations for any failures. Beware of any

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For example, avoid the practitioner who says, " I found out later that

the patient was sneaking tons of sugar behind my back. "

On the other hand you can respect the practioner who says, " I failed to

adequately explain to the patient the importance of avoiding sugar " or

something similar.

Sometimes patients die because they simply can't afford the treatment

and you can't afford to carry everybody. Sometimes the patients want to

die. Any practitioner can easily attain a 100% success rate by prescreening

all clients. Such success rates are simply a marketing ploy. I prefer

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even though they may have no immune system left and even less money.

[Guest guest]

Joe,

I did not say Immunocal was a low performance product. One patient

asked me for milk whey and I sent him to Debbie.

I prefer being called by my first name and without any titles. I do

not want to be mistaken for an MD. I do not want to wear that stigma. My

opinion of a person usually drops about 200 notches when I find out that

they are an MD. MD's are OK in the ER and maybe a few other things, but

they are too brainwashed and too arrogant to retrain.

I learned quite a bit recently from a village herbal doc in Cyprus. An

MD came to him for treatment for his psoriasis cure. It was explained to

the MD that because he was an MD he would be charged $8,000 -- which he

paid. Anyone else would get the treatment free. We laughed long and hard

over that one.

[Guest guest]

Thankyou for clarifying this. I was beginning to get a little confused.

Joe was beginning to call a few people by that title. Tony I knew for

sure wasn't now I know somewhat sketchily what you do and having the

titile of doctor is not one of them. I there fore thought it quite

sarcastic and out of line giving you guys a title you never paid for.

You could of been a doctor either of you and that is shown in your

inteligence and knowledge of the things you share. It seems we keep

attacking the same things, certainly not what I deem important.

Importance would be whether something works, why it works and what it

works for, not who made it, or who sells it, those issues should matter

more after you have researched the important things. I thought maybe we

were all getting back on track and the sarcasm and bickering was over.

So Joe if you are reading this, please attack the things that matter,

and quit putting unnessesary sarcastic barbs at good folks. Enough.

This is to me totally non Christ like. It is so hard not to respond

back in kind, but I want it to stop so please lets end the name

calling, of good folks here or even company's you know nothing about.

Debbie

" vgammill " <ygammil-@...> wrote:

original article:cures for cancer/?start=4366

> Joe,

> I did not say Immunocal was a low performance product. One

patient

> asked me for milk whey and I sent him to Debbie.

> I prefer being called by my first name and without any titles.

I do

> not want to be mistaken for an MD. I do not want to wear that

stigma. My

> opinion of a person usually drops about 200 notches when I find out

that

> they are an MD. MD's are OK in the ER and maybe a few other

things, but

> they are too brainwashed and too arrogant to retrain.

> I learned quite a bit recently from a village herbal doc in

Cyprus. An

> MD came to him for treatment for his psoriasis cure. It was

explained to

> the MD that because he was an MD he would be charged $8,000 -- which

he

> paid. Anyone else would get the treatment free. We laughed long

and hard

> over that one.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: Magnesium

> Joyce asks:

> >

> > Did your unobtainable meds work for cancer? If so, what's the success

> > rate? Just curious.

>

> The things that I make and do are not unobtainable. I do my selling to

> clinics and then usually give them some sort of exclusive in exchange for

> funding. I try to stay out of marketing. Success rates are very

deceptive.

> One should look at a prospective treatment the same way as buying real

> estate. One of the main things you look at is the neighborhood. You ask

> you practitioner about all similar cases of cancer he/she treated with

> various modalities. Ask of explanations for any failures. Beware of any

> practitioner who consistently blames the patient.

> For example, avoid the practitioner who says, " I found out later that

> the patient was sneaking tons of sugar behind my back. "

> On the other hand you can respect the practioner who says, " I failed

to

> adequately explain to the patient the importance of avoiding sugar " or

> something similar.

> Sometimes patients die because they simply can't afford the treatment

> and you can't afford to carry everybody. Sometimes the patients want to

> die. Any practitioner can easily attain a 100% success rate by

prescreening

> all clients. Such success rates are simply a marketing ploy. I prefer

> dealing with the more humane practitioners who will try to help a stage 4

> even though they may have no immune system left and even less money.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Sorry,

I thought you mentioned somthing about watered down as opposed to your

subligual batch. You are in another league from this farm boy.

Joe Peppe

Re: Magnesium

> Joe,

> I did not say Immunocal was a low performance product. One patient

> asked me for milk whey and I sent him to Debbie.

> I prefer being called by my first name and without any titles. I do

> not want to be mistaken for an MD. I do not want to wear that stigma. My

> opinion of a person usually drops about 200 notches when I find out that

> they are an MD. MD's are OK in the ER and maybe a few other things, but

> they are too brainwashed and too arrogant to retrain.

> I learned quite a bit recently from a village herbal doc in Cyprus.

An

> MD came to him for treatment for his psoriasis cure. It was explained to

> the MD that because he was an MD he would be charged $8,000 -- which he

> paid. Anyone else would get the treatment free. We laughed long and

hard

> over that one.

>

>

>

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Sorry,

Somehow I thougt Tony and were doctors. No sarcasm intended.

Joe Peppe

Re: Magnesium

>

> Thankyou for clarifying this. I was beginning to get a little confused.

> Joe was beginning to call a few people by that title. Tony I knew for

> sure wasn't now I know somewhat sketchily what you do and having the

> titile of doctor is not one of them. I there fore thought it quite

> sarcastic and out of line giving you guys a title you never paid for.

> You could of been a doctor either of you and that is shown in your

> inteligence and knowledge of the things you share. It seems we keep

> attacking the same things, certainly not what I deem important.

> Importance would be whether something works, why it works and what it

> works for, not who made it, or who sells it, those issues should matter

> more after you have researched the important things. I thought maybe we

> were all getting back on track and the sarcasm and bickering was over.

> So Joe if you are reading this, please attack the things that matter,

> and quit putting unnessesary sarcastic barbs at good folks. Enough.

> This is to me totally non Christ like. It is so hard not to respond

> back in kind, but I want it to stop so please lets end the name

> calling, of good folks here or even company's you know nothing about.

> Debbie

>

> " vgammill " <ygammil-@...> wrote:

> original article:cures for cancer/?start=4366

> > Joe,

> > I did not say Immunocal was a low performance product. One

> patient

> > asked me for milk whey and I sent him to Debbie.

> > I prefer being called by my first name and without any titles.

> I do

> > not want to be mistaken for an MD. I do not want to wear that

> stigma. My

> > opinion of a person usually drops about 200 notches when I find out

> that

> > they are an MD. MD's are OK in the ER and maybe a few other

> things, but

> > they are too brainwashed and too arrogant to retrain.

> > I learned quite a bit recently from a village herbal doc in

> Cyprus. An

> > MD came to him for treatment for his psoriasis cure. It was

> explained to

> > the MD that because he was an MD he would be charged $8,000 -- which

> he

> > paid. Anyone else would get the treatment free. We laughed long

> and hard

> > over that one.

> >

> >

> >

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Joe,

I do have a couple of doctorates and I'm sure many on the list do and

just don't like to strut about like those MD crypto-obitiatrists. For those

who don't have a dictionary handy, " crypto " is the root for " hidden " and

" obitiatrist " is Dr. Kevorkian's term for those docs who openly euthanize

patients. I think is an ND but I could really make her squirm if I

called her, Her Excellency, Her Serenity, The Reverend Doctor Doctor Doctor

Webster. I pay respect from the heart by addressing her by her

first name.

I know there are many on the list who think that their MD is the most

wonderful doc in the world as they are trained and licensed to give the

highest quality of pills from Merck and Lilly. I can say this, the only

MD's I respect are mostly people no one has heard of.

If down in Mexico is reading this, I must clarify that he is a

good guy -- I know him. , if you are reading this, doesn't it make you

uncomfortable to be in a profession where so many of your compadres are

royal jerks; a profession that has been co-opted by the interests of big

business? How did you avoid becoming an agent for Lilly, Merck and the

rest?

Re: Magnesium

> Sorry,

> Somehow I thougt Tony and were doctors. No sarcasm intended.

> Joe Peppe

[Guest guest]

Howdy ,

For the record, I completely rewrote the curriculum for the Trinity School

of Health, http://www.trinityschool.com, ND program. I have taught NDs in

a variety of classes regarding natural health. I have studied the entire

curriculum as a Master Herbalist, as well, and incorporated some aspects of

that program into my current views.

I would NEVER call myself a ND, because I believe that it's misleading to

the public, and my current experience with NDs leads much to be desired. I

have been involved in the licensure, or not, of NDs, and worked as a paid

lobbyist for many health schools and manufacturing companies who have a

financial interest in our " health freedoms " .

I call myself a naturopath, because that's what I am. I'm a teacher,

educator, and wholistic practitioner in the most comprehensive sense of the

word. I work with vibrational therapies, specifically computerized voice

analysis to determine exact missing frequencies in the body, and can tell

you what body systems are affected by looking at your voice print. In

using essential oils, we are able to quickly restore " electricity " to the

body. By restoring this energy pattern, other shifts in health occur as

homeostatis returns. Vitality and vibration comes before the inert

minerals and their co-factors can be assimilated and utilized by the body.

If the " light " in the body goes out, no healing can occur.

All the other magic pills are gravy, on the Thanksgiving platter.

Always be well,

PS. , if you want, you can call me sensei, k? Can I still call

you " dear " ?

At 12:21 PM 12/6/99 -0800, you wrote:

>Joe,

> I do have a couple of doctorates and I'm sure many on the list do and

>just don't like to strut about like those MD crypto-obitiatrists. For those

>who don't have a dictionary handy, " crypto " is the root for " hidden " and

> " obitiatrist " is Dr. Kevorkian's term for those docs who openly euthanize

>patients. I think is an ND but I could really make her squirm if I

>called her, Her Excellency, Her Serenity, The Reverend Doctor Doctor Doctor

>Webster. I pay respect from the heart by addressing her by her

>first name.

> I know there are many on the list who think that their MD is the most

>wonderful doc in the world as they are trained and licensed to give the

>highest quality of pills from Merck and Lilly. I can say this, the only

>MD's I respect are mostly people no one has heard of.

> If down in Mexico is reading this, I must clarify that he is a

>good guy -- I know him. , if you are reading this, doesn't it make you

>uncomfortable to be in a profession where so many of your compadres are

>royal jerks; a profession that has been co-opted by the interests of big

>business? How did you avoid becoming an agent for Lilly, Merck and the

>rest?

>

>

>

>

> Re: Magnesium

>

>

>> Sorry,

>> Somehow I thougt Tony and were doctors. No sarcasm intended.

>> Joe Peppe

>

>

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I started taking magnesium tablets a few years ago and it was very helpful

with pain control. When I added malic acid about a year after starting the

magnesium I had maximum benefit for FM type pain. It was about a 10-20%

reduction in FM pain, and seemed to even out flares which had been really

debilitating. That amount of pain relief may not sound like much, but when

you have really horrible pain, any improvement is welcome.

About three months into my taking magnesium, I saw my CFS specialist, and she

was impressed enough by my experience to add magnesium injections to my

regimen. I didn't notice any additional benefit from the injections, so

after about a month I stopped taking them, stayed on the oral mag, and

eventually added malic acid.

I can't remember the name of the local anesthetic that I mixed with the

magnesium, but it is essential to mix the two or the shot is intolerably

painful. It would be tough to give yourself a shot that painful without

flinching, and that can be dangerous; needle breakage while the needle is in

your muscle is the hazard that comes to mind.

While I'm on the subject of shots, I also tried a few months of B12, with no

noticeable improvement, also Kutapressin for a few months with no noticeable

improvement.

Barb

[Guest guest]

to anyone who is considering trying malic acid/magnesium; I got major relief

of fibro pain symptoms; about 75% better; but I tried it 3 years ago for 3

weeks and it did nothing; then I read that while on the supplement it takes

8-10 months with FMS/CFS to replace your magnesium deficits; so a year ago I

started again and in about 5 weeks I started to see improvement; then the

major pain reduction slowly came over the next 6 months with 75mg 3

times/day. What i take is called " malic relief formula " from Biochem and it

has some herbs in it with devil's claw and chromium. If your stomache can

handle it I've read its best to take between meals.

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[Guest guest]

Tim,

No, I don't know about the oligo-minerals, but I'll ask my doc when I see

him and when I get the chance I'll see if Medline has anything on it.

The German form was called, I think, " magnesium hydrochloride aspartate. "

Magnesium aspartate became available in liquid form quite a while back,

by Twin Labs. I took it and it did nothing. Dr. Seelig, the mag

researcher, said there was a difference between the two.

But when I talked with her six months ago she seemed less impressed by

what ion the mag was " bonded " to or " chelated " to (sorry but I'm no

chemist), and suggested I take plain old-fashioned mag oxide.

We had so much catching up, and her call took me by such utter surprise

that I wasn't as sharp as I should have been, e.g., to ask her why she

seems to have put less emphasis on the above.

ly if I could get the form she said was then only available from

Germany I'd love to try it (for old times sake and also on the chance it

would be more effective). But I'm so busy with so many aspects of my

illness and life I don't have time/energy to pursue it.

I might fax her about it, and if I do and get a response I'll post. My

last fax to her went unanswered. That surprised me, as up till then she

was very responsive. Either (I hope not) she's ill OR since I put her in

touch with my current doc she feels she must go the professional route,

and though my doc is good is sorta loused up in not getting back to her

when he very much should have.

As a patient even an assertive one you only have so much control.

If anyone hears about mag hydrochloride aspartate (or maybe it was mag

asp hydrochloride. . .it's been years), do post.

Tim, if you find out more about the oligos, do let us know. Anything

Cheney is associated with interests me very much. I think he's a

marvelous thinker and seems to be an excellent clinician.

Judith Wisdom

On Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:42:46 -0500 charles c campbell

<candtcampbell@...> writes:

> From: charles c campbell <candtcampbell@...>

>

> Judith,

>

> Do you suppose that German form of magnesium is available these

> days? I

> got the impression from your post that it's been quite some time

> since

> your magnesium researcher mentioned it to you.

>

> Also, do you know anything about oligo-minerals? I saw it in Cheney's

> office a while back but didn't ask him about it.

>

> Tim

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> NOw is not available in my area. Is there any way, over the internet, to

> find information or purchase their products?

>

Here is the NOW Foods address:

550 Road

Glendale Heights, IL 60139

(630) 545-9000

Their website is http://www.nowvitamins.com

I haven't found a supplements site that carries a full line of their

products yet. You might e-mail them for info. J.

[Guest guest]

Steve,

Do I understand correctly that you took 1cc. inj. daily?

a

[Guest guest]

Where can I find this info to show my doc? He is afraid to give me 2 cc. a

week.... a