Vitamin C

[Guest guest]

Hi!

I think the best thing you can do, is do some research on Vitamin C. There is

lots of it around and it will give you a better idea of what Vitamin C is and

does and the dosages used.

1000 mg (milligrams) is actually the same as 1 gram. So, if you are taking 20 mg

that is 1/500 of a gram. An orange has approximately 30 - 40 mg.

If your body is completely depleted of Vitamin C, it will never catch up on

really small doses and you will probably not notice any difference. As a

previous post indicated, it can leave your

body within 4 hours, so in order to have Vitamin C in your system at all times,

it would be a good idea to take whatever amount you decide on, every four hours.

I think it also helps to eat an orange a day to get the bioflavonoids from the

white part of the orange. I can't recall where I got it from, but I'm under the

impression that bioflavonoids help

the body to absorb Vitamin C.

I changed my routine and now take 500 mg 8 times a day for a total of 4 grams.

I have often taken 8 grams a day, 4 grams in the morning and 4 grams in the

evening and not noticed any side

effects. I do notice when I don't take if for a day or so. I get disoriented

and tired.

Merle

lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> I questioned yesterday on this list about taking high doses of vit c to

> produce diarrhea for detox and which kind of vit c I should be taking for

> this. I got messages back saying sometimes you need to take 10-20mg's of vit

> c to produce the effect of diarrhea. Isn't this much vit c bad for our

> livers or something? I remember someone else posting about the bad things

> vit c can do if taken in high doses but I can't remember exactly what bad

> things happen and which type of vit c caused the bad effects. Anyone?

[Guest guest]

>I changed my routine and now take 500 mg 8 times a day for a total of >4

grams. I have often taken 8 grams a day, 4 grams in the morning and >4 grams

in the evening and not noticed any side

>effects. I do notice when I don't take if for a day or so. I get

disoriented >and tired.

Merle,

I think I remember (with this DX who knows for sure?!) someone saying to

avoid Vit C at bedtime because it can cause problems with sleep. Do you

notice this at all? It seems to me that one would WANT vit C at work while

we are sleeping and our bodies are hard at work cleaning up after the day.

-Theresa

[Guest guest]

I think I remember (with this DX who knows for sure?!) someone saying to

avoid Vit C at bedtime because it can cause problems with sleep.

Theresa,

I take 2 gms every night at bedtime along with 1/4 tsp bicarb and it helps

my breathing and I sleep much better for it. Can't sleep without it.

Donna in NC

[Guest guest]

Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of " coupling "

with glutathione, I think. You would have to search the archives...or maybe

the Dallas Fort Worth site?

> I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried

this

> or know of any reason not to?

>

> ``KRISTINA``

[Guest guest]

I was under the impression that large doses of Vitamin C also stimulated

Interferon production, which in turn can increase Th2 immune response. (Not

what you want) I've tried high dose Vitamin C in the past (up to 10 grams

per day) and quit because it made me significantly sicker.

lindaj@...

Vitamin C

I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried

this

or know of any reason not to?

``KRISTINA``

So little trouble do men take in search for the truth;so readily do they

accept whatever comes first to hand.

Thucydides

[Guest guest]

I'm taking 4-5grams of VitC/day. Here's a quote from the book Tired of Being

Tired, Overcoming Chronic Fatigue & Low Energy by Michail A Schmidt. ( A book

which I highly recommend). " Vitamin C is important in immune function,

manufacture of connective tissue, detoxification, and many other functions.

Deficiency of vitamin C has also been associated with fatigue... " Signs and

symptoms of vitamin C deficiency include

1.. fatigue

2.. easy bruising

3.. malaise

4.. poor wound healing

5.. infections

6.. bleeding gums

7.. tiredness

8.. loose teeth

9.. depression

10.. frequent colds

" buffered forms of vitamin C canalso be taken at higher doses without concern of

leaching trace elements from the body. Ester-C, which was developed in the

1980's, has been shown to be taken up more rapiudly into white blood cells,and

therefore may be a very good oral source of vitamin C. "

Hope this helps.

Another book that I stongly recommend is called, The Brain Wellness Plan (sounds

wierd, I know) by Dr Jay Lombard. I followed the supplements outlined in the

chapter for ppl with CFS and experienced at least a 30% reduction in symptoms.

This was the first real turning point in my recovery.

Good luck

Vitamin C

I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried this

or know of any reason not to?

``KRISTINA``

So little trouble do men take in search for the truth;so readily do they

accept whatever comes first to hand.

Thucydides

[Guest guest]

see it at : http://pages.cthome.net/xx/wheyala.htm

>> Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of

" coupling "

Bob Joy , http://pages.cthome.net/xx/guait.htm

[Guest guest]

I'm regards to high dose Vit C.

I had very good results taking it I.V.drip 60gm. w/ calcium in a saline

solution..I did the treatment once a week for at least 10 treatments , and

found one treatment built on the next, and helped me to get to a much higher

level of functioning..so maybe I was toxic with substances that my body was

unable to detox on it's own..

I would feel better as the IV progressed, a cooling down of my imflammation

at that time, it always amazed me..

but like all things, it agreed with me , and made some sick to there

stomachs..I had aready done alot of GI detox and cleansing so maybe this is

why I didn't have this side affect..also at the first sign of an

excaserbation, or the flu I would go and have an IV. it would abort it..

that way I never had to miss work..

Hope this helps..and oh ya , I never experienced this much relief from oral

doses, I was told by my DR.s nurse that you can't get enough in your system

to really make this kind of difference..so far this has been true for me..

Carol

Re: Vitamin C

> Cheney talks about not taking massive Vit C - bc of some kind of

" coupling "

> with glutathione, I think. You would have to search the archives...or

maybe

> the Dallas Fort Worth site?

>

> > I am considering trying high doses of Vitamin C for awhile. Anyone tried

> this

> > or know of any reason not to?

> >

> > ``KRISTINA``

>

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sage, Vit C=Ascorbic Acid

[Guest guest]

Thank you . I need all the help I can get.

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[Guest guest]

Hello,

One other thing you might try in this area is time-release Ester C with

bioflavonoids. I used to get epigastric pains with vitamin C, but this time

release version cured that. This might allow you to take the recommended 3000

mg of vitamin C to maintain proper adrenal function.

Du Pre

Website: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

[Guest guest]

;

I am very gung-ho on vit c, but I can't recall ever seeing a product like the

one you mention. Do you have a brand name?

Thanks,

Adrienne

Re: Vitamin C

Hello,

One other thing you might try in this area is time-release Ester C with

bioflavonoids. I used to get epigastric pains with vitamin C, but this time

release version cured that. This might allow you to take the recommended 3000

mg of vitamin C to maintain proper adrenal function.

Du Pre

Website: http://www.angelfire.com/jazz/isaiah40soaringeagle/index.html

" By words the mind is winged. " Aristophanes

[Guest guest]

No but there are simple methods to check for yourself wich dose vitamine

C. is sufficient and good for you. Sometimes you get also too much and get

then diarea etc. I have the protocol how to measure this personal in Dutch

but maybe someone, Leonard, , moonbeam of this list also have this

test in English?

Gr. kees braam

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> bloodstream when taken orally?

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[Guest guest]

hi i found a great site that may be helpful to you...its called net doctor i

know if u smoke cigs it takes out milagrams from the cig...dimples

[Guest guest]

> Is it ever possible for vitamin C to be harmful in CFS, particularly

if given intravenously? Thanks.

> Laurel

For some, you need to be careful about the source of Vit C. My son is

allergic to corn, which is the source for many Vit C products and IV

solutions. Many use a beet derived Vit C.

I have a friend who has Lyme and FMS. She just received an IV of high

dose Vit C. She had an allergic reaction, which is rare but can

happen. Her face became very puffy, broke out with sores all over and

had an big increase in her pain. I know of another that these IV's

decreased her pain and increased her energy. We all react so differently.

[Guest guest]

's right -- we all react differently. I know this is

controversial, but I did see Dr. Weil on the Today show

yesterday say that the human body can only adsorb 200 mgs of

vitamin C a day. Not sure where he got that figure, but they were

talking about the latest research on that and other vitamins and

minerals.

It's my understanding that C will lower copper levels, and help

increase iron absorption, which can both be good or bad,

depending on one's current levels of just those two minerals.

It is also my understanding that one needs manganese (not

magnesium) in order for vitamin C to work properly...

dan

> > Is it ever possible for vitamin C to be harmful in CFS,

particularly

> if given intravenously? Thanks.

> > Laurel

>

> For some, you need to be careful about the source of Vit C. My

son is

> allergic to corn, which is the source for many Vit C products

and IV

> solutions. Many use a beet derived Vit C.

>

> I have a friend who has Lyme and FMS. She just received an IV

of high

> dose Vit C. She had an allergic reaction, which is rare but can

> happen. Her face became very puffy, broke out with sores all

over and

> had an big increase in her pain. I know of another that these

IV's

> decreased her pain and increased her energy. We all react so

differently.

>

>

[Guest guest]

You can fully absorb only 200 mg of vitamin c. This means only that the

percentage falls as the dose is increased. If you take one gram of C, you will

certainly absorb much more than 200 mg. I have pursued this subject for years,

but there is no agreement on the ideal dose of C. From testing of animals that

synthesize their own C, it would appear that a 150 pound person might normally

require about 8,000 mg/day, but perhaps two or three times that amount when

stressed by infection or toxin. I have used 8 grams a day for 30 years without

any mineral problem. I know another person who has used 20 grams a day for

about 30 years without any mineral problem...only benefits to cardiovascular

health, connective tissue and immune functions. Any substance in excess can be

dangerous to health, but I have not seen convincing evidence about the upper

limit for vitamin C. Mel

[Guest guest]

the issue is near here or there - if you have poor absorption you may need

higher levels so its very much an individual thing!

[Guest guest]

" The Linus ing Institute recommends a vitamin C intake of at least

400 mg daily--the amount that has been found to fully saturate plasma

and circulating cells with vitamin C in young, healthy nonsmokers "

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/vitamins/vitaminC/index.html#lpi_recommend

Also read 'The Difference Between Dr. Linus ing's Recommendations

and the Linus ing Institute's Recommendation for Vitamin C Intake':

http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/paulingrec.html

[Guest guest]

Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH that

recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell you what is good

for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have looked for some authority for

30 years...without success. Until I find a better way, I will extrapolate from

data on animals that " know " how much c they need and produce that. Mel

[Guest guest]

Hi Mel,

The quote was from the Linus ing Institute website. They recommend

at least 400 mg for healthy individuals. Maybe people with CFS need

more? Smokers certainly need more. I personally think the idea that some

animals synthesize such high levels is irrelevant to humans. I feel

happy with 500 mg, twice daily and would prefer to balance out

supplementation with a range of nutrients and antioxidants rather than

focusing on mega doses of vitamin C. I think we should be more concerned

with our levels of vitamin D and selenium.

Higher doses of vitamin C do produce temporarily higher levels in blood

and of course higher levels in the gut and urinary system, all of which

may be beneficial. I am also a fan of intravenous vitamin C.

Blake

Mel Baldwin wrote:

> Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH

> that recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell

> you what is good for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have

> looked for some authority for 30 years...without success. Until I find

> a better way, I will extrapolate from data on animals that " know " how

> much c they need and produce that. Mel

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting, I was just thinking about this today, how animals produce

C. Well, because of that, when some animals take more salt, stay at the

salt lick, they are getting the salt/c effect! Because they already

have the C.

--Kurt

Re: Re: Vitamin C

Hi Mel,

The quote was from the Linus ing Institute website. They recommend

at least 400 mg for healthy individuals. Maybe people with CFS need

more? Smokers certainly need more. I personally think the idea that some

animals synthesize such high levels is irrelevant to humans. I feel

happy with 500 mg, twice daily and would prefer to balance out

supplementation with a range of nutrients and antioxidants rather than

focusing on mega doses of vitamin C. I think we should be more concerned

with our levels of vitamin D and selenium.

Higher doses of vitamin C do produce temporarily higher levels in blood

and of course higher levels in the gut and urinary system, all of which

may be beneficial. I am also a fan of intravenous vitamin C.

Blake

Mel Baldwin wrote:

> Blake, I receive mailings from the ing Institute. It is the NIH

> that recommends 400 mg/day of C. If you trust the government to tell

> you what is good for your health, good luck. On this issue, I have

> looked for some authority for 30 years...without success. Until I find

> a better way, I will extrapolate from data on animals that " know " how

> much c they need and produce that. Mel

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good evening Blake, Just so you know were on the same page, I would set the

minimum for c at two grams...a little more than you take. I also take selenium ,

vitamin D, and many more. I have been very careful over a long period of time in

putting this regimen together... and I still trust my dogs more than I trust the

government agencies who are supposed to be concerned with our health. Nite, Mel

[Guest guest]

Hi

Can people tell me nutritionally what are the best things for thyroid and

Adrenal glands???

Regards

CS

[Guest guest]

A cheap source of iodine can be found in kelp...which is a gold mine of other

trace minerals. Likewise, alfalfa is like a mineral pump, pulling trace minerals

from very deep in the soil where they havent yet been depleted. Both are

available in inexpensive pill form. Mel