Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 At 02:58 PM 03/31/2001 -0800, you wrote: >Kelli, >Something else I found interresting in THE VACCINE GUIDE, page 101, is that he says that if your child never has the tetanus vaccine, or hasn't had at least 2 doses of the tetanus vaccine - there is another option that can be given, if there is a cut that is tetanus threatening. Here's the quote. > > " For individuals who have had less than two previous injections of tetanus toxoid, an injection of Tetenus Immune Globulin, Human (TIG), is administered for serious wounds. This vaccine introduces antibodies directly into the body to fight tetanus bacteria. this process is known as passive immunization; the body does not develop its own antibodies. The antibody levels achieved with TIG are sufficient to protect against tetanus if the injection is given within 72 hours after the injury. For individuals who have previously received two or more tetanus toxoid injections at any time in their lives, a single booster dose of toxoid will produce enough antibody response to prevent tetanus of the booster is given within 72 hours after an injury. " .... The tetanus immune globulin is a blood product. Do you want to put a blood product in your child in this day and age? It is not a vaccine, but globulin that comes from thousands of people's pooled blood. > >He emphasizes that good wound care is the most important precaution in the entire equasion whether tetanus is a possible threat, or not. This is the main thing! Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2001 Report Share Posted March 31, 2001 In a message dated 03-30-01 11:31:56 PM Central Standard Time, montgom@... writes: << Interestingly I met a doc today that said that of all the vax he is LEAST concerned about children receiving Tetanus. Said that as long as you are near soap and water it isn't a big threat. He thought it was odd that I was so worried about THAT one >> Kelli, Wise doctor!.. for this statement. Thanks for sharing! Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2001 Report Share Posted April 22, 2001 >Hi, everyone, > >I haven't written in quite a while, but have enjoyed reading messages and gleaning great info from them. > >Now, though, spring is here, we can get back outside in Maine, and I am being pressured by family to vaccinate for Tetanus. I've gone back to previous postings, etc., but still need reassurance that not administering the Tetanus vaccine is a reasonable choice. http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm And you have a WONDERFUL homeopath in MAINE who's article I will post shortly Will , MD http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/STEVELIST.htm And I encourage everyone to go thru the archives (we have jsut been discussing this the last few weeks and seem to go over and over and over it! -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & UK 530-478-1242 Voicemail http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm " All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ( & women) do nothing " ...Edmund Burke ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2001 Report Share Posted April 23, 2001 That's interesting. We lived on a small farm in SE Ohio beginning in '76. In the early 80's one of our 4 horses died of Tetnus, from a small cut on his leg. The death was horrible, horrible, horrible. And my mother, who loved this horse, suffered greatly. Luster > I don't know if this really means much when it comes to people but when I was a teen I did see a horse die of tetanus, > he belonged to my friend and had not been vaccinated. He had gotten a very slight cut on his leg. This was in Ohio, > apparently it is in the soil around here. > > My own kids did grow up on a a small farm with initially all farm animals, and then only rabbits and goats. This was > back in the '70s and they were fully vaccinated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 In a message dated 11/19/01 5:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, sandoz@... writes: > On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that > kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are > kept in real clean environments. > > It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little > bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh, > err... 'stimulate' their immune systems! > > I totally agree, but I'm such a picky person, its hard to let go and not wash hands every five minutes.......... I need to let go a little, I panic when I see my 2 year old on top of a slide ready to go down, and he always makes it just fine.... (Probably another thing for Mann to look at - right Sheri?) Chelly San Diego, CA Mommy to Trenton 8/19/99 - No Shots! WWW.YOURAVON.COM/CMERCER passcode: MIKCHER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 ROFLMAO!! Oh isn't that the truth! I come in from being out at the barn filthy from head to toe! The worst part is having butt length hair.... oh the things that get caught in my hair...even when it's pulled up!! On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are kept in real clean environments. It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh, err... 'stimulate' their immune systems! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ives Makes sense! Any any horseperson knows that there is no way you can work around horses and not get scraped, scratched, and VERY dirty! (If not, your doing something wrong LOL!) CT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Here are some links on the subject of exposure to germs benefitting the immune system, at least up to a point. http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/july2001/giveusthisday.htm http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/august2001/e%2Dnewsasthmaincrease.h tm http://www.vaccinationnews.com/dailynews/june2001/strengthimmsys.htm http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/07/000719110937.htm http://www.childcarecanada.org/ccin/2000/ccin8_24_00.html http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/healthscience/134293715_clean13.html http://www.usc.edu/hsc/info/pr/hmm/w00_01/germs.html Sandy from Alaska ALL INFORMATION, DATA, AND MATERIAL CONTAINED, PRESENTED, OR PROVIDED HERE IS FOR GENERAL INFORMATION PURPOSES ONLY AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS REFLECTING THE KNOWLEDGE OR OPINIONS OF THE PUBLISHER, AND IS NOT TO BE CONSTRUED OR INTENDED AS PROVIDING MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION WHETHER OR NOT TO VACCINATE IS AN IMPORTANT AND COMPLEX ISSUE AND SHOULD BE MADE BY YOU, AND YOU ALONE, IN CONSULTATION WITH YOUR HEALTH CARE PROVIDER. Re: Tetanus ROFLMAO!! Oh isn't that the truth! I come in from being out at the barn filthy from head to toe! The worst part is having butt length hair.... oh the things that get caught in my hair...even when it's pulled up!! On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are kept in real clean environments. It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh, err... 'stimulate' their immune systems! Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ives Makes sense! Any any horseperson knows that there is no way you can work around horses and not get scraped, scratched, and VERY dirty! (If not, your doing something wrong LOL!) CT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 At 10:16 PM 11/19/2001 EST, you wrote: >In a message dated 11/19/01 5:30:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, >sandoz@... writes: > > >> On a serious note, there was some supposition on another list I'm on that >> kids that get down in the dirt are actually healthier than kids who are >> kept in real clean environments. >> >> It makes a lot of sense considering that there is not telling what little >> bits of nastiness they are continuously picking up out in the muck to uhh, >> err... 'stimulate' their immune systems! >> >> > >I totally agree, but I'm such a picky person, its hard to let go and not wash >hands every five minutes.......... I need to let go a little, I panic when I >see my 2 year old on top of a slide ready to go down, and he always makes it >just fine.... >(Probably another thing for Mann to look at - right Sheri?) Yup! Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Hey! Do we share long lost twin 4 year olds or something? Man... my son can find a way to get dirty or injure himself faster than anyone else I know! And my 15 month old is following in his footsteps... Ya know, I wonder how much healthier our society would be if people would get out of their stuffy office buildings/houses, and go play in the dirt more! I really feel like part of being healthy, is being 'natural', and nothing feels more natural than being outside! I grew up in a real outdoorsy type family with all kinds of animals, and in spite of not always making the healthiest choices in life... I've always been very healthy. Anyway...it's nice to know other people let their kids run loose and be kids too! And yep, I recognize you from horse lists too! I'm on both the lists you mentioned... and have both (barefoot and healthy horses!! LOL!!) Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: Ives When I brought my daughter in for her 4 y/o checkup, I though for sure the ped. was going to arrest me for abuse! She was covered in healing mosquito bites from camping (looked like old cigarette burns), had scraped up knees, bruises on her shins from running and falling, and her knees seem to get so stained, I just can't get the dirt out no matter how much I wash! He just laughed and said she looked like a perfecty healthy, active 4 year old! BTW - don't I recognize you from a horse list, maybe healthyhorse or barefootedhorses? CT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 thanks i am not good at finding them thanks for your help amy ohio AMY MOMMY TO 4 KIDDIES Chelsea 9 Carrigian 5 4 Chaela Noelle Almost 1 from the mouth of a 4 yr old " your not fat mommy just squishy! " !!!! ) <A HREF= " http://hometown.aol.com/chevy974/myhomepagebaby.html " >The Haskett bunch</A> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2002 Report Share Posted January 26, 2002 http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html http://www.whale.to/vaccine/tetanus1.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tetanus.html http://www.whale.to/vaccines/tetanus6.html http://nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.vaccinationnews.com Sooo much info on Tetanus on these great sites!! HTH, Jen and others..... Oh and welcome Jen! :-D Suzanne dd Ruby 2.7yrs South Wales Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 In a message dated 2/11/02 4:08:38 PM GTB Standard Time, saragubits@... writes: << if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be done? If he gets Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done? >> RUSTY nails are not the issue...puncture wounds are......the key is to wash out all wounds and allow oxygen to get in there.Encourage blood flow is good. From a 1943 book(modern home medical advisor) " The germs of tetanus live in the intestinal tracts of cattle,horses,and man.Because the germ are fairly widespread it is remarkable that the disease in not more common.Apparently however it is necessary for the germs to get deep into the tissue through a wound in order to multiply and produce the disease. " emedicine.com has a good page on what would be done allopathically to treat this disease.Note that both the tet toxoid and TD/Td vaccines contain thimerosal. Sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 At 02:06 PM 02/11/2002 -0000, you wrote: >is tetanus vax safe? > >if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be done? If he gets >Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done? > > You really need to go to my webpages - and go through them ONE by ONE. There is tons there. Yes the tetanus vaccine is very dangerous - I have many many reports from people damaged - even given tetanus like symptoms from the vaccine. The disease is NOT necessarily deadly. Read the webpages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm It is not about a rusty nail - the rust has nothing to do with it. -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2002 Report Share Posted February 11, 2002 no vax is safe. anyone who steps into a rusty nail, the first aid measure, in my opinion, would be: clean with 1:4 calendula mother tincture : water, then give one ledum c30. sheri am i right here? my family spent 2 1/2 years in the middle of the desert, with all sorts of dangers, including that of stepping into rusty nails. none of us are vaxed against tetanus and we're still as healthy as before. smiles, claudia --- saragubits <saragubits@...> wrote: > is tetanus vax safe? > > if unvaxed child gets cut by rusty nail, what can be > done? If he gets > Tetanus its very deadly.. what shall be done? > > ===== I am a Spiritual being having a Human experience. __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 3, 2002 Report Share Posted March 3, 2002 Hi Joanna, There is an archive at where you can find all of the messages posted. I think you just go to and then find the vaccinations list you're subbed to and the archives will be there. This is better than having old messages reposted to the list - which is already keeping us pretty busy! :-) Take care, Meryl -----Original Message----- From: joanna athome [mailto:joanna_at_home@...] Hi, I know we covered tetanus about two weeks ago but for some reason I didn't file any of the postings. I must have a blind spot with tetanus. Can someone post some information on the vaccine and alternative methods of treating the 'rusty nail'. Thanks in advance Joanna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 4, 2002 Report Share Posted March 4, 2002 At 04:49 AM 03/04/2002 -0800, you wrote: > >Hi, > >I know we covered tetanus about two weeks ago but for some reason I didn't file any of the postings. I must have a blind spot with tetanus. Can someone post some information on the vaccine and alternative methods of treating the 'rusty nail'. > >Thanks in advance > >Joanna > My website ;-))))))))))))))) http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/tetanus.htm when in doubt ALWAYS look at my website and also info in the files section for homeopathy treatment on the list website> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2002 Report Share Posted April 8, 2002 http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html Tetanus vaccine by Bronwyn Hancock The tetanus vaccine is no more effective than any of the others. It also is counterproductive. It will INCREASE, NOT decrease the risk of tetanus, and many people actually get tetanus from the vaccine. The annual REPORTED cases of tetanus in Australia don't reach double figures (despite the fact that most people exposed probably would have not had a booster for a long time and therefore would be considered susceptible), and yet in my relatively small circle of contact (compared to the country's population) I have come across a couple of cases where immediately after the vaccine the recipient got the classic symptoms of tetanus and it was not reported, or even diagnosed as a possibility. All vaccine injections are DOCUMENTED to SENSITISE the recipient. Sensitisation is the OPPOSITE of immunisation. The way they get their figures of 98-99%, etc " effectiveness " of the vaccine is by checking for the presence of IgG antibodies. The presence of these antibodies, however, does NOT mean immunity - this is a totally false assumption. In fact they cannot even get the body to produce any significant numbers of these WITHOUT including those toxic, SENSITISING chemicals in the vaccine, called adjuvants ( " Dirty Secrets " , New Scientist, Nov 1996). So the presence of these antibodies is probably actually showing the OPPOSITE of immunisation, i.e. that the person has been sensitised by the vaccine. What a wonderful achievement. So really, giving a child a tetanus vaccine is like getting them to stand on a busy road in the hope of minimizing their chances of getting run over. Of course this is not to mention all the other problems the vaccine can cause, all reflecting the derailing effect on the immune system. Only some, of course, are listed on the product insert (included already in a recent email to this list). There is a man I interviewed and have on the video, called Ron Lyons, who got chronic fatigue syndrome from a tetanus vaccine, as had his father, and then his own son (when his ex-wife vaccinated him without Ron's consent). Viera has come across an article in NEJM (either 1983 or 1984) where they found the ratio of T4 to T8 cells after tetanus vaccination to be similar to the ratio that is found in AIDS patients. The best safeguard against illness from tetanus, apart from general overall health, is to ensure the wound is open and clean. The tetanus toxoid is anaerobic, so it can only proliferate in the absence of oxygen. Addition: However what I also like to talk about these days in relation to tetanus I don't seem to have included here. It is that tetanus is an illustration of one reason that vaccines do not work. Normally once you contract a disease and fully recover from it, you are hen immune to that specific disease for the rest of your life. However you may have heard that this is not the case with tetanus - on the contrary, people are actually sensitised to it, so are in fact MORE likely to get it again in the future. The reason for this is that since tetanus is an anaerobic bacteria, it is hard, well I expect impossible, to contract it through a form of exposure where it comes in through the normal portals of entry - the mouth, the nose, the mucous membranes, the tonsils, etc., because that would require the bacteria surviving exposure to oxygen. Consequently, you can only get it through some kind of injury such as a splinter or similar where it has been able to get straight into the body via a deep puncture wound bypassing exposure to oxygen. However this also means that you are bypassing the natural portals of entry, which are the outer levels of defence. Unfortunately, the outer levels of defence have important roles in the immune system, including crucial involvement in the process of.... DEVELOPING IMMUNITY. So the upshot of all that is that if the antigen is injected via a deep puncture wound, you cannot bring immunity. On the contrary, the effect is sensitisation. And what are vaccine injections? Why, deep puncture wounds. Further, the sensitisation effect of vaccines is well documented, even to the extent of being in standard medical dictionaries. The oral polio vaccine is not a deep puncture wound, but the magnitude of the assault of the vaccine strain of virus (ironically more virulent than the wild virus) with the accompanying toxins and the interference with the gut flora, i.e. still harming the outer levels of defence, still appears to have a sensitisation effect. Further, when you realise that we needed vaccination to provoke polio in the first place, with the first known outbreak not occurring until mass smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well then you realise that avoiding the administration of the other vaccines almost entirely removes any threat of polio anyway. Regards, Bronwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2002 Report Share Posted May 24, 2002 Not only was he overreacting, he was negligent. The tetanus vaccine is NOT to be administered to anyone who has not had the initial 3-dose course of vaccine. Instead, tetanus immunoglobulin is to be used - not the vaccine and immunoglobulin. I would be a lot more worried about my child having a reaction to those shots than to her getting tetanus. She should make sure the wound has been oxygenated - maybe with hydrogen peroxide - and perhaps consider seeing a homoeopath or another health practitioner who might be able to support her immune system. Take care, Meryl Tetanus I have a friend who has not had her kids vaxed. Yesterday her 3 year old daughter stepped on a rusty nail. They brought the girl to the ER. The doctor was furious and told my friend her daughter has a 45% chance of getting tetanus. The opened the cut up to clean it and debreathe it. They gave the girl a tetanus shot and a immunoglobulin and they all lectured her. Now my friend is worried her daughter is going to get sick and die. Was this doctor overreacting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 http://www.whale.to/vaccines/hancock4.html Tetanus vaccine by Bronwyn Hancock The tetanus vaccine is no more effective than any of the others. It also is counterproductive. It will INCREASE, NOT decrease the risk of tetanus, and many people actually get tetanus from the vaccine. The annual REPORTED cases of tetanus in Australia don't reach double figures (despite the fact that most people exposed probably would have not had a booster for a long time and therefore would be considered susceptible), and yet in my relatively small circle of contact (compared to the country's population) I have come across a couple of cases where immediately after the vaccine the recipient got the classic symptoms of tetanus and it was not reported, or even diagnosed as a possibility. All vaccine injections are DOCUMENTED to SENSITISE the recipient. Sensitisation is the OPPOSITE of immunisation. The way they get their figures of 98-99%, etc " effectiveness " of the vaccine is by checking for the presence of IgG antibodies. The presence of these antibodies, however, does NOT mean immunity - this is a totally false assumption. In fact they cannot even get the body to produce any significant numbers of these WITHOUT including those toxic, SENSITISING chemicals in the vaccine, called adjuvants ( " Dirty Secrets " , New Scientist, Nov 1996). So the presence of these antibodies is probably actually showing the OPPOSITE of immunisation, i.e. that the person has been sensitised by the vaccine. What a wonderful achievement. So really, giving a child a tetanus vaccine is like getting them to stand on a busy road in the hope of minimizing their chances of getting run over. Of course this is not to mention all the other problems the vaccine can cause, all reflecting the derailing effect on the immune system. Only some, of course, are listed on the product insert (included already in a recent email to this list). There is a man I interviewed and have on the video, called Ron Lyons, who got chronic fatigue syndrome from a tetanus vaccine, as had his father, and then his own son (when his ex-wife vaccinated him without Ron's consent). Viera has come across an article in NEJM (either 1983 or 1984) where they found the ratio of T4 to T8 cells after tetanus vaccination to be similar to the ratio that is found in AIDS patients. The best safeguard against illness from tetanus, apart from general overall health, is to ensure the wound is open and clean. The tetanus toxoid is anaerobic, so it can only proliferate in the absence of oxygen. Addition: However what I also like to talk about these days in relation to tetanus I don't seem to have included here. It is that tetanus is an illustration of one reason that vaccines do not work. Normally once you contract a disease and fully recover from it, you are hen immune to that specific disease for the rest of your life. However you may have heard that this is not the case with tetanus - on the contrary, people are actually sensitised to it, so are in fact MORE likely to get it again in the future. The reason for this is that since tetanus is an anaerobic bacteria, it is hard, well I expect impossible, to contract it through a form of exposure where it comes in through the normal portals of entry - the mouth, the nose, the mucous membranes, the tonsils, etc., because that would require the bacteria surviving exposure to oxygen. Consequently, you can only get it through some kind of injury such as a splinter or similar where it has been able to get straight into the body via a deep puncture wound bypassing exposure to oxygen. However this also means that you are bypassing the natural portals of entry, which are the outer levels of defence. Unfortunately, the outer levels of defence have important roles in the immune system, including crucial involvement in the process of.... DEVELOPING IMMUNITY. So the upshot of all that is that if the antigen is injected via a deep puncture wound, you cannot bring immunity. On the contrary, the effect is sensitisation. And what are vaccine injections? Why, deep puncture wounds. Further, the sensitisation effect of vaccines is well documented, even to the extent of being in standard medical dictionaries. The oral polio vaccine is not a deep puncture wound, but the magnitude of the assault of the vaccine strain of virus (ironically more virulent than the wild virus) with the accompanying toxins and the interference with the gut flora, i.e. still harming the outer levels of defence, still appears to have a sensitisation effect. Further, when you realise that we needed vaccination to provoke polio in the first place, with the first known outbreak not occurring until mass smallpox vaccination 100 years ago, well then you realise that avoiding the administration of the other vaccines almost entirely removes any threat of polio anyway. Regards, Bronwyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2002 Report Share Posted July 8, 2002 Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain syndrome: http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 At 02:07 AM 07/09/2002 EDT, you wrote: >Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to >the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already >suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when >I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia >and chronic myofascial pain syndrome: >http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm > >This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of >tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain. > > > , AGain, so sorry. KNow your story from before. Have you ever been able to see a homeopath? Sheri PS - I'm a student now and able to see patients with a supervisor - come to UK for holiday and homeopathy ;-) -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account vaccineinfo@... (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail PO Box 1563 Nevada City CA 95959 530-740-0561 Voicemail in US http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm ANY INFO OBTAINED HERE NOT TO BE CONSTRUED AS MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE. THE DECISION TO VACCINATE IS YOURS AND YOURS ALONE. Well Within's Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin International Tours, Homestudy Courses, ANTHRAX & OTHER Vaccine Dangers Education, Homeopathic Education CEU's for nurses, Books & Multi-Pure Water Filters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 I guess I should call myself blessed that I only have intermittent joint pain at this time from my tetanus shot. I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering. Kay Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain syndrome: http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2002 Report Share Posted July 9, 2002 Kay and , You may or may not be aware that I am a strong advocate of mineral therapy. For what it is worth, my Mineral 'Bible' Mineral Deficiencies in Human Cells says...... Tetanus .....magnesium phophate, potassium phosphate and potassium chloride. Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular symptom. It is quite complicated but that is a very simplistic overview. To diagnose with 100% certainty, you need to know if symptoms are worse morning or night, effected by hot or cold, seasons etc. Joanna mkphilpot <mkphilpot@...> wrote: I guess I should call myself blessed that I only have intermittent joint pain at this time from my tetanus shot. I'm so sorry for your pain and suffering. Kay Perhaps it will help if you hear personally from someone with a reaction to the tetanus shot. I now have a permanent case of tetanus. I was already suffering the effects of 3 years of antibiotic use from my dermatologist when I received the vaccine. My chronic fatigue syndrome turned into fibromyalgia and chronic myofascial pain syndrome: http://www.sover.net/~devstar/relative.htm This is my medical diagnosis. What I really have is a chronic case of tetanus. What I'm faced with is lifelong pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 What is the name of this mineral book? Laurie>Oh my Mineral 'Bible' Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular symptom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 10, 2002 Report Share Posted July 10, 2002 Laurie, Its called " Mineral Deficiencies in Human Cells " by M.C.H. Blackmore. He was Australia's first naturopath. It is only available through Blackmore Laboratories in Sydney. Where abouts are you.... Joanna BirthWarrior <mlandes2@...> wrote: What is the name of this mineral book? Laurie>Oh my Mineral 'Bible' Most people are deficient in some mineral or other which sets up a predisposition to a particular illness and each mineral represents a particular symptom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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