Religious exemption

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At 01:22 PM 2/4/2008 -0500, you wrote:

><<The religious exemption doesn't just apply to Christians. It applies

>to all religions. I'm Buddhist and I'd use it in a heartbeat if I had

>to.>>

>

>I know it doesn't only apply to Christians, but they certainly have an

>easier time of it. :-/

No they don't as there is nothing in the Christian religion as practiced

today that objects to vaccines

Can they ask you to prove that your religion

>(whatever it is) is against vaccination? I just don't want to get stuck

>in a bad situation.

Not in NC but a few other states are problematic.

Sheri

>

>

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>Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

>06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

>Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

>Vaccine free since 1999.

>

>

>

>

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<<The religious exemption doesn't just apply to Christians. It applies

to all religions. I'm Buddhist and I'd use it in a heartbeat if I had

to.>>

I know it doesn't only apply to Christians, but they certainly have an

easier time of it. :-/ Can they ask you to prove that your religion

(whatever it is) is against vaccination? I just don't want to get stuck

in a bad situation.

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

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<<I don't suggest going by VacLib site...............

http://www.wellwith <http://www.wellwithin1.com/exemptions.htm>

in1.com/exemptions.htm

links you to NVIC site with the actual law>>

Thanks!

<<Most state's religious exemptions are very broad (almost like

philosophical.)>>

That's a good thing!

<<If you are going to NC, PAVE is there - Jillani is a friend of

mine and is PAVE>>

Cool, I will check her out.

<<BY THE WAY - I have moved to Wheeling WV (part time) and in Wales part

time

for this year.

By next November will probably be in Wheeling fulltime except for my

tours!>>

No way! That's close enough for me to drive for a house warming

party!!! :-D

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

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wrote:

> I know it doesn't only apply to Christians, but they certainly have an

>easier time of it. :-/ Can they ask you to prove that your religion

>(whatever it is) is against vaccination?

>

Not only can't they ask you to PROVE anything, they can't even ask you

WHAT your religion is!

You simply submit a signed copy of the law, written word for word, and

sign it. That's about it!

The person Sheri recommended can help you if you have any doubts or more

specific questions.

In case KY is on your list, the religious exemption here is very easy,

too. And home schooling is completely unregulated. You can do what you

want :-)

hth,

Bobbett

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,

I am in New York and I am in the process of writing a religious exemption

letter so my daughter can attend day care 3 days a week. The processis is

difficult. It is not easy and there is criteria the state of New York expects a

person to meet before they are given a religious exemption. We let the nurse

give her the vit k at birth so now we have to explain that in our letter.

I actually posted a long emails in this group this past week looking for some

support and no one responded.. so lucky you that you are getting feedback.

You do not have to be affilated with any church-In NY state the law reads....

shall not apply to children whose parents, or gaurdian .... who hold genuine and

sincere religious beliefs....

Of course, in NY they have sincerety testing in the form of face to face

interviews and questionaires - subject to the individual school distrcit!!

I found a man named Krasner who knows New York vaccine law inside and

out and he is helping me....his web site www.CFIC.us and email cfic@... he

may know someone in one of the states you are looking for.

Don't go by hearsay from anyone... find out the law-

good luck,

Liz

<OhioVaxInfo@...> wrote:

We will most likely be relocating in a year or two. I'm trying to

gather info on each state that DH is looking at (we're moving so he can

get his doctorate in religious studies). ATM he's really pushing for

NC. I'm researching the home schooling and VBAC status of the state as

well, but I found on the Vac Lib website that NC only allows medical or

religious exemptions.

How does one use the religious exemption if they are not Christian? The

sample letter on the Vac Lib site looks like you don't have to have a

clergy person's signature which would be a good thing. But would this

just cause more trouble for me if they found out I wasn't a Christian

person? I don't exactly hide the fact that I'm not.

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93 - vaginal, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01

, born 06/28/97 - c-section due to brow presentation

Shayna, born 06/01/00 - dr demanded c-section due to variable breech

positioning, turned into complicated inverted T cut

Thalea, born 06/24/07 - VBAC birth center water birth!!

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

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<<Not only can't they ask you to PROVE anything, they can't even ask you

WHAT your religion is!

You simply submit a signed copy of the law, written word for word, and

sign it. That's about it!>>

That's what I always thought the case was, but just wanted to verify it.

<<The person Sheri recommended can help you if you have any doubts or

more

specific questions.>>

I will. :-)

<<In case KY is on your list, the religious exemption here is very easy,

too. And home schooling is completely unregulated. You can do what you

want :-)>>

I have no idea what states we are going to be looking at, but KY sounds

like a good one to me! :-) It all depends on which universities have

the religious studies program that will suit his needs.

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

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<<I am in New York and I am in the process of writing a religious

exemption letter so my daughter can attend day care 3 days a week. The

processis is difficult. It is not easy and there is criteria the state

of New York expects a person to meet before they are given a religious

exemption. We let the nurse give her the vit k at birth so now we have

to explain that in our letter. >>

Yuck.

<<I actually posted a long emails in this group this past week looking

for some support and no one responded.. so lucky you that you are

getting feedback. >>

That does happen to all of us from time to time, sometimes the post just

gets lost in the shuffle. :-/ I don't know anything about NY though.

<<You do not have to be affilated with any church-In NY state the law

reads.... shall not apply to children whose parents, or gaurdian ....

who hold genuine and sincere religious beliefs....

Of course, in NY they have sincerety testing in the form of face to face

interviews and questionaires - subject to the individual school

distrcit!!>>

That can't be legal. :-(

<<I found a man named Krasner who knows New York vaccine law inside

and out and he is helping me....his web site www.CFIC.us and email

cfic@... <mailto:cfic%40nyct.net> he may know someone in one of

the states you are looking for.

Don't go by hearsay from anyone... find out the law->>

I will check out his site as well. Thanks for the info.

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

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At 04:48 PM 2/4/2008 -0800, you wrote:

>,

> I am in New York and I am in the process of writing a religious

exemption letter so my daughter can attend day care 3 days a week. The

processis is difficult. It is not easy and there is criteria the state of

New York expects a person to meet before they are given a religious

exemption. We let the nurse give her the vit k at birth so now we have to

explain that in our letter.

#1 - vitamin k is not an immunization, so how they compare that ( not that

I think it is necessary - but it is a vitamin, not a vax)

> I actually posted a long emails in this group this past week looking for

some support and no one responded.. so lucky you that you are getting

feedback.

Sorry - Liz.............traveling and trying to get to emails as I can.

I'll look back for your mail.

> You do not have to be affilated with any church-In NY state the law

reads.... shall not apply to children whose parents, or gaurdian .... who

hold genuine and sincere religious beliefs....

> Of course, in NY they have sincerety testing in the form of face to

face interviews and questionaires - subject to the individual school

distrcit!!

That is only New York and to some extent in a few other states

> I found a man named Krasner who knows New York vaccine law inside

and out and he is helping me....his web site www.CFIC.us and email

cfic@... he may know someone in one of the states you are looking for.

> Don't go by hearsay from anyone... find out the law-

exactly

Sheri

> good luck,

> Liz

>

>

> <OhioVaxInfo@...> wrote:

> We will most likely be relocating in a year or two. I'm trying to

>gather info on each state that DH is looking at (we're moving so he can

>get his doctorate in religious studies). ATM he's really pushing for

>NC. I'm researching the home schooling and VBAC status of the state as

>well, but I found on the Vac Lib website that NC only allows medical or

>religious exemptions.

>

>How does one use the religious exemption if they are not Christian? The

>sample letter on the Vac Lib site looks like you don't have to have a

>clergy person's signature which would be a good thing. But would this

>just cause more trouble for me if they found out I wasn't a Christian

>person? I don't exactly hide the fact that I'm not.

>

>

>)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

>Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93 - vaginal, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01

>, born 06/28/97 - c-section due to brow presentation

>Shayna, born 06/01/00 - dr demanded c-section due to variable breech

>positioning, turned into complicated inverted T cut

>Thalea, born 06/24/07 - VBAC birth center water birth!!

>Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

>Vaccine free since 1999.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

At 09:58 PM 2/5/2008 -0000, you wrote:

>

>>

>> No they don't as there is nothing in the Christian religion as

>practiced

>> today that objects to vaccines

>>

>>

>

>Actually. The bible states that you should not eat/mingle (or inject)

>animal/foreign blood (cells) into your body. Also you are not

>to " mingle/mix/hybridize " seed. Christians object to abortion as being

>completely unbiblical and many of the vaccines use aborted fetal

>tissue. It is also stated that Gods people where not to practice the

>witchcraft/medical practices of the egyptians and if they didn't they

>wouldn't get their diseases. Also, the root greek (or was it hebrew)

>word for witchcraft is Pharm, where we get our word pharmacy. The

>bible doesn't speak lightly of witchcraft. There is much more.

>So yes, the christian " religion " can object to vaccines.

>

Yes, I know some of that.

But no christian church takes a stance on vaccines being dangerous.

No wiccans I know are evil or drug people.

They are healers

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

>

> No they don't as there is nothing in the Christian religion as

practiced

> today that objects to vaccines

>

>

Actually. The bible states that you should not eat/mingle (or inject)

animal/foreign blood (cells) into your body. Also you are not

to " mingle/mix/hybridize " seed. Christians object to abortion as being

completely unbiblical and many of the vaccines use aborted fetal

tissue. It is also stated that Gods people where not to practice the

witchcraft/medical practices of the egyptians and if they didn't they

wouldn't get their diseases. Also, the root greek (or was it hebrew)

word for witchcraft is Pharm, where we get our word pharmacy. The

bible doesn't speak lightly of witchcraft. There is much more.

So yes, the christian " religion " can object to vaccines.

[Guest guest]

<<No wiccans I know are evil or drug people. They are healers>>

I'm not offended by any of this, but this is part of my point. There

are things in the bible that people can point to and say " See, the bible

says it's so. " For Pagans/Wiccans/etc. we have no " great text " like

that that we can point to. :-/ I fully believe that vaccinations are

against everything natural that the Lady and the Lord honor, but just

because I says it's so, doesn't mean diddly squat for a religious

vaccination exemption. :-)

)0(~~~)0(~~~)0(

Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01; , born

06/28/97; Shayna, born 06/01/00; and Thalea, born 06/24/07.

Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!!

Vaccine free since 1999.

[Guest guest]

Well, thats not true either...

> >

> >>

> >> No they don't as there is nothing in the Christian religion as

> >practiced

> >> today that objects to vaccines

> >>

> >>

> >

> >Actually. The bible states that you should not eat/mingle (or

inject)

> >animal/foreign blood (cells) into your body. Also you are not

> >to " mingle/mix/hybridize " seed. Christians object to abortion as

being

> >completely unbiblical and many of the vaccines use aborted fetal

> >tissue. It is also stated that Gods people where not to practice

the

> >witchcraft/medical practices of the egyptians and if they didn't

they

> >wouldn't get their diseases. Also, the root greek (or was it

hebrew)

> >word for witchcraft is Pharm, where we get our word pharmacy. The

> >bible doesn't speak lightly of witchcraft. There is much more.

> >So yes, the christian " religion " can object to vaccines.

> >

>

> Yes, I know some of that.

>

> But no christian church takes a stance on vaccines being

dangerous.

>

> No wiccans I know are evil or drug people.

> They are healers

> Sheri

> --------------------------------------------------------

> Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath

> Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK

> $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account

> Voicemail US 530-740-0561

> Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or

> http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm

> Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses -

http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm

> Reality of the Diseases & Treatment -

> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm

> Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm

> NEXT CLASSES start by email February 13 & 14

>

[Guest guest]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

>

> At 06:02 PM 7/19/2008, you wrote:

> >How are closely held beliefs the same as " bona fide religious beliefs

> >and practices " (quoting COMAR 10.06.04)?

>

> and how is it different?

>

> human vs. supernatural. What does the law say? Here are two examples:

>

> In NY: " In Mason v. General Brown Cent. School Dist., 851 F.2d 47 (2d

> Cir.

> 1988), the court noted that religious exemption claims citing " medical

> or purely moral

> considerations, " " scientific and secular theories, " or " philosophical

> and personal " beliefs

> are not sufficient. "

>

> In VA: " A religious exemption is for parents who have sincere

> convictions against sending their children to school. The revised

> statute § 22.1-254 ((1) states: /A school board shall excuse from

> attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by

> reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously

> opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision,

> " bona fide religious training or belief " does not include essentially

> political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal

> moral code. "

> .../ A religious belief must be one held in relation to a Supreme

> Being. Your entire belief system must be dependent on a supernatural

> God and His revelation.

>

[Guest guest]

The world is not black and white.

Do not sacrifice your child

As someone else said, or similar - if you were hiding Jews in your home during

the holocaust in Germany, would you just give them up rather than lie?

I hope you can explain this in a way to your child so he/she realizes the world

is not black or white

Sheri

listowner

---- <kelly@...> wrote:

> Sheri Nakken wrote:

> >

> > At 06:02 PM 7/19/2008, you wrote:

> > >How are closely held beliefs the same as " bona fide religious beliefs

> > >and practices " (quoting COMAR 10.06.04)?

> >

> > and how is it different?

> >

>

> > human vs. supernatural. What does the law say? Here are two examples:

> >

>

> > In NY: " In Mason v. General Brown Cent. School Dist., 851 F.2d 47 (2d

> > Cir.

> > 1988), the court noted that religious exemption claims citing " medical

> > or purely moral

> > considerations, " " scientific and secular theories, " or " philosophical

> > and personal " beliefs

> > are not sufficient. "

> >

> > In VA: " A religious exemption is for parents who have sincere

> > convictions against sending their children to school. The revised

> > statute § 22.1-254 ((1) states: /A school board shall excuse from

> > attendance at school: any pupil who, together with his parents, by

> > reason of bona fide religious training or belief is conscientiously

> > opposed to attendance at school. For purposes of this subdivision,

> > " bona fide religious training or belief " does not include essentially

> > political, sociological or philosophical views or a merely personal

> > moral code. "

> > .../ A religious belief must be one held in relation to a Supreme

> > Being. Your entire belief system must be dependent on a supernatural

> > God and His revelation.

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The religious exemption letters would vary by state because typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the letter. What state are you in?

religious exemption

Hi All -A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?Thanks!!t

[Guest guest]

The religious exemption letters would vary by state because typically you cite the state's law/regulation within the body of the letter. What state are you in?

religious exemption

Hi All -A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?Thanks!!t

[Guest guest]

According to the tenets of our religion, our bodies are sacred temples

and not allowed to have bacteria, toxins or unknown substances

injected or administered into it.

I wrote something like that in NJ.

>

> Hi All -

>

> A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption.

> I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.

>

> Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind

> sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?

>

> Thanks!!

>

> t

>

[Guest guest]

According to the tenets of our religion, our bodies are sacred temples

and not allowed to have bacteria, toxins or unknown substances

injected or administered into it.

I wrote something like that in NJ.

>

> Hi All -

>

> A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption.

> I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.

>

> Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind

> sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?

>

> Thanks!!

>

> t

>

[Guest guest]

According to the tenets of our religion, our bodies are sacred temples

and not allowed to have bacteria, toxins or unknown substances

injected or administered into it.

I wrote something like that in NJ.

>

> Hi All -

>

> A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption.

> I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.

>

> Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind

> sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?

>

> Thanks!!

>

> t

>

[Guest guest]

According to the tenets of our religion, our bodies are sacred temples

and not allowed to have bacteria, toxins or unknown substances

injected or administered into it.

I wrote something like that in NJ.

>

> Hi All -

>

> A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption.

> I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.

>

> Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind

> sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?

>

> Thanks!!

>

> t

>

[Guest guest]

Some of the best vaccine exemption info and sample letters can be found at vaclib.org. which is updated regularly. From the main page, on the left column under Legal Help, press the exemption page. You can find your state by state info there. Best of Luck and thanks for spreading the vital exemption information. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

[Guest guest]

Some of the best vaccine exemption info and sample letters can be found at vaclib.org. which is updated regularly. From the main page, on the left column under Legal Help, press the exemption page. You can find your state by state info there. Best of Luck and thanks for spreading the vital exemption information. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

[Guest guest]

Some of the best vaccine exemption info and sample letters can be found at vaclib.org. which is updated regularly. From the main page, on the left column under Legal Help, press the exemption page. You can find your state by state info there. Best of Luck and thanks for spreading the vital exemption information. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

[Guest guest]

Some of the best vaccine exemption info and sample letters can be found at vaclib.org. which is updated regularly. From the main page, on the left column under Legal Help, press the exemption page. You can find your state by state info there. Best of Luck and thanks for spreading the vital exemption information. Glad Day ~ Karla in IL http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm

[Guest guest]

Please check your state statutes.

Re: religious exemption

According to the tenets of our religion, our bodies are sacred templesand not allowed to have bacteria, toxins or unknown substancesinjected or administered into it.I wrote something like that in NJ.>> Hi All -> > A few local families are asking for help with religious exemption. > I'd like to give them as much info as possible beyond what I've done.> > Could anyone who's using religious exemption (and who does not mind > sharing) post wording and information that they've had success with?> > Thanks!!> > t>

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