Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 That was NOT LAW she was being told by the Delaware Department of Health - only their fantasy. It's what they use to intimidate parents who are unfamiliar with the law. Nowhere in the Delaware law is that written. Kathleen In a message dated 10/8/2002 9:39:19 AM Central Daylight Time, zaynetp@... writes: > check my state laws to make sure they aren't worded like Delaware laws. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Hi,this is what I could find on the web,I live in RI and our laws are so different,all we have to do is sign a simple form that the school nurse has to have available(according to the dept of health,my daughter's preschool did not have it,my friend got them one).Good luck! http://home.san.rr.com/via/STATES/req-de.htm > Hi, all! I e-mailed Department of Social Services re: exemptions for > immunizations. When I researched the Delaware Code it was my understanding > that I only needed to prepare a notarized Affidavit. They responded with > this: > > There are two situations under which parents are not required to immunize > their children for school entry in Delaware. These are known as the > religious and the medical exemptions. The religious exemption is documented > by providing evidence of membership in an organized religion and proof that > the religion has a formal prohibition against immunization. There is no > " exemption form " . The parent must submit the evidence which is usually in > the form of a letter on the church letterhead signed by the minister > (pastor, leader, etc.) and it must contain the evidence regarding their > religion. We do not accept one person or one family religions--the > denomination must be > recognized. > > The medical exemption must be documented by a licensed physician and must > state that the child has a specific documented allergy or other legitimate > medical contraindication to immunization. There must be a basis in > legitimate medical evidence. > > Does anyone else have this problem in their state? Does anyone live in > Delaware. Would they provide me with copies of the most recent laws? > > My son is due for his second MMR shot soon and we DO NOT want to give it to > him. > > Help! > > Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 >>There is no " exemption form " . The parent must submit the evidence which is usually in the form of a letter on the church letterhead signed by the minister (pastor, leader, etc.) and it must contain the evidence regarding their religion. We do not accept one person or one family religions--the denomination must be recognized.<< WRONG!!!!! Did a search and WOW, look what popped up on site of the Dept. of Educations web site pertainig to Delaware. A copy of what you are to submit. (6) Provision for exemption from the immunization program for an enrollee whose parents or legal guardian, because of individual religious beliefs, reject the concept of immunization. Such a request for exemption shall be supported by the affidavit herein set forth: AFFIDAVIT OF RELIGIOUS BELIEF STATE OF DELAWARE ................... COUNTY 1. (I) (We) (am) (are) the (parent(s)) (legal guardian(s)) of ......................................................................... Name of Child 2. (I) (We) hereby (swear) (affirm) that (I) (we) subscribe to a belief in a relation to a Supreme Being involving duties superior to those arising from any human relation. 3. (I) (We) further (swear) (affirm) that our belief is sincere and meaningful and occupies a place in (my) (our) life parallel to that filled by the orthodox belief in God. 4. This belief is not a political, sociological or philosophical view of a merely personal moral code. 5. This belief causes (me) (us) to request an exemption from the mandatory school vaccination program for ................................................ Name of Child ......................................................................... Signature of Parent(s) or Legal Guardian(s) SWORN TO AND SUBSCRIBED before me, a registered Notary Public, this ........... day of ............, 198 ..... ...................................................................(Seal) Notary Public My commission expires: ......................................................................... http://www.doe.state.de.us/dpiservices/michie/Part3.htm Dina Mason Mom to Dathon, 9, Aspergers, CP, Epilepsy Virginians for IDEA Compliance http://mywebpages.comcast.net/vaideacompliance/index.html Cost of co-pay for vaccinations: $10.00 Cost of trip to Mcs after vaxing: $10.00 Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00* Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS * Actual bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2002 Report Share Posted October 8, 2002 Here is a quote from this vaccine lawyer's website: http://www.immunizationattorney.com/ " The right to claim exemption from immunization based on religious beliefs is available to all persons who hold religious beliefs against immunization regardless of what any state statute may say regarding the necessity for membership in any particular religious group or church. The first amendment to the U.S. Constitution prohibits states from discriminating between people based on their religious beliefs. If there is any state law that allows for exemption based on religious beliefs, it is available to all those people who hold religious beliefs against immunization even if their beliefs are personal and unique to them alone. " big 'ol raspberry to whoever told you that you had to belong to an organized religious group! Kayla, mom to (9/98, partially vaxed) and Will (born at home 5/02, and pure as the driven snow) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 I just went and had it done. I didn't notorize it, they did. The nurse did ask me what my religion was and I told him he was not allowed to ask me that and he said his supervisor told him to and I said it was illegal. They didn't know what they were doing. I had to tell them and show them the law. First the nurse said I had to have a letter from my doctor.........duh, thats medical exemption. What idiots. I feel alot better that its done though. I was so nervous to walk in there. in TN > In Va you have to have it noterized. Go to http://thinktwice.com/laws.htm for the laws and to http://www.vaclib.org/pdf/exemption.htm for forms. > Bambi > Religious exemption > > > do you have to notarize your letter? Or is it just optional? > > in Tn > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 Congratulations, ! I know exactly how you felt. I went a couple of weeks ago to our local health department to pick up 2 religious exemption forms for my children. I expected a fuss, but got none. Yeah! I got the forms and took them home and filled them out. I have them in my children's file here at home. When we get notified by the school that they are past due for their tetanus boosters, then I'll have the forms ready. We don't go to the doctor anymore, so I don't need to give them one. I was relieved that it was so simple (we're in Kentucky). I guess the true test will come when I have to use them. Kay in KY ******************** I just went and had it done. I didn't notorize it, they did. The nurse did ask me what my religion was and I told him he was not allowed to ask me that and he said his supervisor told him to and I said it was illegal. They didn't know what they were doing. I had to tell them and show them the law. First the nurse said I had to have a letter from my doctor.........duh, thats medical exemption. What idiots. I feel alot better that its done though. I was so nervous to walk in there. in TN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2003 Report Share Posted November 21, 2003 In Va you have to have it noterized. Go to http://thinktwice.com/laws.htm for the laws and to http://www.vaclib.org/pdf/exemption.htm for forms. Bambi Religious exemption do you have to notarize your letter? Or is it just optional? in Tn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 When I wrote ours I left it simple and short (I am in the U.S.) and it only had to be signed by me. I basically stated that I, as parent to such-and-such child refuse vaccinations due to religious beliefs according to such-and-such (your state's) law. Then signed it! Steph howelleli <howelleli@...> wrote: I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 At 06:27 PM 3/5/2007 -0000, you wrote: >I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to >sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any >tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful no it has nothing to do with your peds You have to look at your state law and use the exact wording of the law unless you are in NY or a few other states What state are you in? > Sheri > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 always advise people to word exactly as their state law (except some states are more challenging) We need to know what state they are in. Sheri At 11:22 AM 3/5/2007 -0800, you wrote: >When I wrote ours I left it simple and short (I am in the U.S.) and it only had to be signed by me. I basically stated that I, as parent to such-and-such child refuse vaccinations due to religious beliefs according to such-and-such (your state's) law. Then signed it! > >Steph > >howelleli <howelleli@...> wrote: I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful > > > > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Hello I'm in NJ thanks Beth Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 06:27 PM 3/5/2007 -0000, you wrote: >I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to >sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any >tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful no it has nothing to do with your peds You have to look at your state law and use the exact wording of the law unless you are in NY or a few other states What state are you in? > Sheri > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 May I ask what state you are in? I am in Illinois and am going to fill one out after I get the form. Thanks, Kim I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful > > > > > > > Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Is it really for religious reasons? Becuase now they have added an exemption which is " reasons of conscience " and that is all you have to say. NO explanation. That is how I did mine. > I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and > any > > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very > helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: > http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 You can't do that in NJ I was told I had to write it up not to find a form please help i and <shawnianderic@...> wrote: Is it really for religious reasons? Becuase now they have added an exemption which is " reasons of conscience " and that is all you have to say. NO explanation. That is how I did mine. > I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and > any > > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very > helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: > http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I called the Illinois Dept. of Public Health and I was told that I had to write up the form and that the school can either accept or reject my letter. Has anyone ever had their letter rejected? Now I am nervous about it. Thanks, Kim -- In Vaccinations , beth howell <howelleli@...> wrote: > > You can't do that in NJ I was told I had to write it up not to find a form please help > > i and <shawnianderic@...> wrote: Is it really for religious reasons? Becuase now they have added an > exemption which is " reasons of conscience " and that is all you have to > say. NO explanation. That is how I did mine. > > > > I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > > > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and > > any > > > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very > > helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: > > http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Oh, this makes me nervous too. Anyone from Indianapolis IN? I will be moving there and I know theirs is religious as well. I guess you have to find a different school if they reject or do you fight it by saying it is the law? Ugh... From: " rwardin " <rwardin@...> Reply-Vaccinations Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:07:15 -0000 Vaccinations Subject: Re: Religious exemption I called the Illinois Dept. of Public Health and I was told that I had to write up the form and that the school can either accept or reject my letter. Has anyone ever had their letter rejected? Now I am nervous about it. Thanks, Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 No I will be handing mine in April so we will see what happens. rwardin <rwardin@...> wrote: I called the Illinois Dept. of Public Health and I was told that I had to write up the form and that the school can either accept or reject my letter. Has anyone ever had their letter rejected? Now I am nervous about it. Thanks, Kim -- In Vaccinations , beth howell <howelleli@...> wrote: > > You can't do that in NJ I was told I had to write it up not to find a form please help > > i and <shawnianderic@...> wrote: Is it really for religious reasons? Becuase now they have added an > exemption which is " reasons of conscience " and that is all you have to > say. NO explanation. That is how I did mine. > > > > I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to > > > sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and > > any > > > tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very > > helpful > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read about my Adventures In Babywearing here: > > http://adventuresinbabywearing.blogspot.com/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm my webpage with links to NVIC webpage with info Also contact the group in NJ - they will help New Jersey (Medical/Religious exemptions) Sue njaicv@... New Jersey Alliance for Informed Choice in Vaccination (NJ-AICV) PO Box 243, Gillette, NJ 07933 (800)-613-9925 Exemptions: www.njleg.sstate.nj.us then access statute 26:1a-9.1 (Dr. , DC is the current director, Drsfosterdc@...) At 10:04 AM 3/6/2007 -0800, you wrote: >Hello I'm in NJ thanks Beth > >Sheri Nakken <vaccineinfo@...> wrote: At 06:27 PM 3/5/2007 -0000, you wrote: >>I'm in the middle of writing up a rel exemption does my ped have to >>sign this? I thought just my husband and I. Any help please and any >>tips on writing it thanks in advane to all of you, you are very helpful > >no it has nothing to do with your peds >You have to look at your state law and use the exact wording of the law >unless you are in NY or a few other states >What state are you in? >> >Sheri > >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 At 08:06 PM 3/6/2007 -0000, you wrote: >May I ask what state you are in? I am in Illinois and am going to >fill one out after I get the form. > >Thanks, >Kim For you, contact help in Illinois Another state thats a little tricky Not sure how up to date this is Also should be links from NVIC's pages for a group follow links from my pages http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm Illinois (Medical/Religious exemptions) Sherry Wied wiedb@... Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition 321 Sharon Drive Sleepy Hollow, IL 60118 www.vaccineawareness.org - exemptions on website Connie Roux croux@... Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition Barbara Mullarkey Barbara@... Illinois Vaccine Awareness Coalition P.O. Box 946, Oak Park, IL 60303 (708) 848-0116 www.vaccineawareness.org - exemptions on website, vaers statistics Fran Eaton fran@... (exemption problems) Eagle Forum of Illinois P.O. Box 233 Oak Forest, IL 60452 www.ileagles.net Jacke Meyers jackem@... 1610 Taft Avenue Wheaton, IL 60187 Sheri -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 It depends on the state you are in. Some states you don't have philosophical exemptions and their religious exemption is similar with similar wording you can't recommend for anyone else until you know their state law. Sheri listowner At 09:07 PM 3/6/2007 -0000, you wrote: >Is it really for religious reasons? Becuase now they have added an >exemption which is " reasons of conscience " and that is all you have to >say. NO explanation. That is how I did mine. > > >> > >> > When I wrote ours I left it simple and short (I am in the U.S.) and >> it only had to be signed by me. I basically stated that I, as parent >> to such-and-such child refuse vaccinations due to religious beliefs >> according to such-and-such (your state's) law. Then signed it! >> > >> > Steph> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 contact the groups I gave info on for Illinois Sheri At 06:22 PM 3/6/2007 -0800, you wrote: >No I will be handing mine in April so we will see what happens. > >rwardin <rwardin@...> wrote: I called the Illinois Dept. of Public Health and I was told that I >had to write up the form and that the school can either accept or >reject my letter. Has anyone ever had their letter rejected? Now I am >nervous about it. > >Thanks, >Kim >> -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account earthmysteriestours@... voicemail US 530-740-0561 (go to http://www.paypal.com) or by mail Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line course - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 At 09:21 PM 3/6/2007 -0500, you wrote: >Oh, this makes me nervous too. Anyone from Indianapolis IN? I will be >moving there and I know theirs is religious as well. I guess you have to >find a different school if they reject or do you fight it by saying it is >the law? Ugh... > > > look up the law and post it here for us to help http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/exemptions.htm EVERY STATE is different Sheri > >From: " rwardin " <rwardin@...> >Reply-Vaccinations >Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:07:15 -0000 >Vaccinations >Subject: Re: Religious exemption > > >I called the Illinois Dept. of Public Health and I was told that I >had to write up the form and that the school can either accept or >reject my letter. Has anyone ever had their letter rejected? Now I am >nervous about it. > >Thanks, >Kim > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2007 Report Share Posted March 7, 2007 Thank you Sheri for the information. The school nurse told me to hand my letter in the summer and she will submit to the school board. The school board will either accept it or tell me they need more information. She also said if there is an outbreak that my daughter will be exempt from attending school. She mentioned for example measles. I asked if she's ever seen an outbreak of measles and she said no. I said what about whooping cough and she said she's seen in her career as an nurse in a 6 week old baby. Kim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 At 10:33 AM 2/4/2008 -0500, you wrote: >We will most likely be relocating in a year or two. I'm trying to >gather info on each state that DH is looking at (we're moving so he can >get his doctorate in religious studies). ATM he's really pushing for >NC. I'm researching the home schooling and VBAC status of the state as >well, but I found on the Vac Lib website that NC only allows medical or >religious exemptions. > >How does one use the religious exemption if they are not Christian? The >sample letter on the Vac Lib site looks like you don't have to have a >clergy person's signature which would be a good thing. But would this >just cause more trouble for me if they found out I wasn't a Christian >person? I don't exactly hide the fact that I'm not. > > I don't suggest going by VacLib site............... http://www.wellwithin1.com/exemptions.htm links you to NVIC site with the actual law Most state's religious exemptions are very broad (almost like philosophical.) If you are going to NC, PAVE is there - Jillani is a friend of mine and is PAVE Easy exemption in NC BY THE WAY - I have moved to Wheeling WV (part time) and in Wales part time for this year. By next November will probably be in Wheeling fulltime except for my tours! Sheri listowner > -------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, former R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Vaccination Information & Choice Network, Nevada City CA & Wales UK $$ Donations to help in the work - accepted by Paypal account Voicemail US 530-740-0561 Vaccines - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm or http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Vaccine Dangers On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccineclass.htm Reality of the Diseases & Treatment - http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccineclass.htm Homeopathy On-Line courses - http://www.wellwithin1.com/homeo.htm NEXT CLASSES start by email February 13 & 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 The religious exemption doesn't just apply to Christians. It applies to all religions. I'm Buddhist and I'd use it in a heartbeat if I had to. -- Roni Bergerson Independent Monavie Distributor Celebrate Good Health with Monavie! http://www.mymonavie.com/jandrbergerson/ -------------- Original message -------------- From: " " <OhioVaxInfo@...> We will most likely be relocating in a year or two. I'm trying to gather info on each state that DH is looking at (we're moving so he can get his doctorate in religious studies). ATM he's really pushing for NC. I'm researching the home schooling and VBAC status of the state as well, but I found on the Vac Lib website that NC only allows medical or religious exemptions. How does one use the religious exemption if they are not Christian? The sample letter on the Vac Lib site looks like you don't have to have a clergy person's signature which would be a good thing. But would this just cause more trouble for me if they found out I wasn't a Christian person? I don't exactly hide the fact that I'm not. )0(~~~)0(~~~)0( Mom to Brittany, born 08/31/93 - vaginal, dx'd IDDM 05/28/01 , born 06/28/97 - c-section due to brow presentation Shayna, born 06/01/00 - dr demanded c-section due to variable breech positioning, turned into complicated inverted T cut Thalea, born 06/24/07 - VBAC birth center water birth!! Read my birth story here: http://www.jessicas-haven.com/baby.htm!! Vaccine free since 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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