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Yes, you each make such a dfference

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At 02:48 PM 2/21/2009, you wrote:

>I am administrator in a charter school in NJ and I am not sure about

>the one issue of schools receiving funds for vaxed

>students. However, I shared with you guys last year about how our

>nurse was being aggressive towards some students who didn't have

>vaccines. Well, this week I walked in a on a conversation between

>two coworkers one who knows I didn't vax my son the other

>didn't. My best friend who is vaxing his son told him that he was

>taking his son to get his shots th other replied, " Oh good you are

>not like those other idiots " . I walked in and it got silent. The

>nurse was also there and she intervened and stated that if he was

>getting his son vaxed he might be the idiot. And you guys know it

>was time to help this poor guy out. We had a legnthy

>coversation. I spoke with the nurse about her sudden change in

>ideology and she has been researching for her daughter and now is

>really leaning towards no vaccines at all. I share that to

> say keep standing up for yourself and your decision people are

> listening. As far as my other coworker he thought all children at

> his kids school hasbeen vaxed, he found out different and now has

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>who is this " Andy " people refer to in the chats?

Good question .

Cutler is the author of " Amalgam Illness: Diagnosis and

Treatment " http://www.noamalgam.com) and " Hair Test Interpretation:

Finding Hidden Toxicities " .

(http://www.noamalgam.com/hairtestbook.html)

His frequent-low-dose chelation protocol is widely accepted as the

safest, most effective protocol, not only for autistic kids (for whom

he carries a special interest), but all heavy-metal toxic people.

He is a chemical engineer, and has an understanding of human

physiology and pharmacokinetics that is quite superior to most

medical doctors and naturopaths around. He basically " understand how

things work " and teaches this with a no BS-allowed approach with is

both refreshing and uplifting.

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welcome julie

From: julie harding <redspirit_kl@...> Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 4:51:05 PMSubject: (unknown)

HiI had surgery in 1974 and have periodic problems - would like to join the forum to chat with others in similar position.thanks

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Hall Cutler. The Author of Amalgam Illness. Most of us follow the

protocol outlined in his book on this list.

TJ

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who is this " Andy " people refer to in the chats?

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Don't know about the lupus, but there is nothing better that I have

found for osteo than MSM in large quantity combined with the usual

joint supplements. I have taken as much as a 1/2 cup a day for it when

things were very bad. It has some nice side effects also.

sheryl baldwin wrote:

GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS SHERYL I HAVE LUPUS SJOGENS DISEASE AND

OSTEO ARTHRITIS I AM ON MANY MEDS AND I AM LOOKING TO SPEAK TO SOME

ONE THAT HAS TRIED MIRACEL FOR THESE SYMPTOMS AND HOW DID IT DO I

HAVE BEEN VERY ILL THIS YEAR I AM SOON TO START ON ENBREL THANKS

SHERYL

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THANKS FOR THE INPUT SHERYL

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Don't know about the lupus, but there is nothing better that I have found for osteo than MSM in large quantity combined with the usual joint supplements. I have taken as much as a 1/2 cup a day for it when things were very bad. It has some nice side effects also.sheryl baldwin wrote:

GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS SHERYL I HAVE LUPUS SJOGENS DISEASE AND OSTEO ARTHRITIS I AM ON MANY MEDS AND I AM LOOKING TO SPEAK TO SOME ONE THAT HAS TRIED MIRACEL FOR THESE SYMPTOMS AND HOW DID IT DO I HAVE BEEN VERY ILL THIS YEAR I AM SOON TO START ON ENBREL THANKS SHERYL

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not sure what you mean by MIRACEL. from what i see on google, that's a name

for a study having to do with kidney dialysis being possibly replaced with a

drug Mircera.

do you mean the MMS?

there was one person on the MMS lists recently with sjogrens and her mother

with more problems. she didn't seem to get any benefit from MMS, only worse

symptoms. she didn't behave herself well with list members and is gone...

the condition had her very stressed and her way of dealing with people

wasn't good.

the arthritis may well be part of the autoimmune syndrome that includes the

lupus and sjogrens. causes are unknown, as i'm sure you're aware. there

may be microbes involved, so killing them would be of benefit. MMS is cheap

enough, so might be worth trying. DMSO provides relief from inflammation

and can also be used as a carrier to get the MMS into the body which avoids

the MMS problems with drinking it and having bad gut reactions from too much

too soon (as well as the foul taste). i'd try activating MMS and mixing

with DMSO and applying to painful joint areas... should at least provide

some relief.

also, consider colloidal silver of the ionic type (like home-made) for both

it's bug kill power and effects on the immune system. it's not just an

immune stimulant (which you don't really want with these conditions) but

seems to work in other ways not well understood to get things back to

working better. i know someone who got rid of autoimmune hepatitis (that

teams of docs couldn't help and gave up on) using CS and some kind of

enzymes.

there's CMO cetyl myristoleate (sp?) which is often used for joint pain

issues like arthritis. it's reputed to be like a " reset button " for the

immune system... might be worth a try.

anything you find that helps i'd like to know about... my mom has sjogrens,

along with skin cancer and more issues. she's on the other coast and is

mostly inclined to just do what the docs say but i have her sipping some CS

at least. i'm going to send her some CMO but don't know if she'd do more

than pretend to try it.

if you do MMS, make sure you also supplement to replace vit C and other

antioxidants that will be lost, taking them hours away from the MMS.

> [ ] (unknown)

>

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> GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS SHERYL I HAVE LUPUS SJOGENS DISEASE AND

> OSTEO ARTHRITIS I AM ON MANY MEDS AND I AM LOOKING TO SPEAK TO SOME

> ONE THAT HAS TRIED MIRACEL FOR THESE SYMPTOMS AND HOW DID IT DO I

> HAVE BEEN VERY ILL THIS YEAR I AM SOON TO START ON ENBREL THANKS

> SHERYL

>

>

>

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You've got me interested, Jim! What nice side effects? I've been taking MSM for years, but never in that quantity.......From: jim <6840268@...> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 10:39:59 AMSubject: Re: [ ]

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Don't know about the lupus, but there is nothing better that I have

found for osteo than MSM in large quantity combined with the usual

joint supplements. I have taken as much as a 1/2 cup a day for it when

things were very bad. It has some nice side effects also.

sheryl baldwin wrote:

GOOD MORNING MY NAME IS SHERYL I HAVE LUPUS SJOGENS DISEASE AND

OSTEO ARTHRITIS I AM ON MANY MEDS AND I AM LOOKING TO SPEAK TO SOME

ONE THAT HAS TRIED MIRACEL FOR THESE SYMPTOMS AND HOW DID IT DO I

HAVE BEEN VERY ILL THIS YEAR I AM SOON TO START ON ENBREL THANKS

SHERYL

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It means that you can be busy planning your future, living your life like normal

and come to an untimely illness or death that you had not planned.

(unknown)

I regret to say that I am totally confused by this total post and I read every

word.

Cheryl V

Life is what happens

to you while you're

busy making other plans.

( Lennon)

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April: I am sorry for your news, don't be too discouraged and smile

because it makes one happy, please. May I ask if you were offered an

idea of severity, rate, or nature (fast or incrementally slow) of

change, and cause?

I did find tremendous benefit from acupuncture - even to the degree

that it somewhat surprised me. My expert was able to tighten some of

the muscles in my back and relax others - to slow down the changing

process - even stop it from changing for long periods.

Sometimes my expert uses just needles, and sometimes he uses a gizmo

with a 9 volt battery connected - it tingles just a tiny bit - and for

me this is often the most beneficial. It did not hurt, and the

benefits increasingly lasted longer and required less visits per

month, and I found it helpful to begin with two treatments weekly

during the first two weeks - and quickly it became once monthly.

I also was directed to herbs and essential oils and I can not tell you

how much benefit I received from each of these three, or even from my

positive attitude and what ever placebo effect I got through belief.

... but it has been very positive.

I am told by friends that my thoughts of help also help; I call them

prayers because it is a projection of purposefully directed love-based

'wellness'. I send such well-wishes each time I hear a human

situation that saddens me. So I try to read all postings from several

groups, but each prayer is short & individually directed, and hearing

from you can make it easier to remember individuals. Thanks for

sharing the news, even the sad news. Vince

On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM, April <nanny04@...> wrote:

> Hi Everyone, I hope this email finds you doing well. I had an MRI this

> morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7. I

> am exactly 4.5 weeks since my lumbar spinal fusion on L4 L5. I have

> another Dr. Appointment tomorrow to discuss what we are going to do! This

> is very frustrating. I am starting to wonder if my disks are going to

> rupture one by one! Anyway, I hope you all find a little less pain today.

>

> Hugs and Prayers, April

>

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Rain Drop Therapy (RDT) - what a great name - perhaps I play with it:

through quantum physics study, I play with the idea of molecular

memory, especially for the hydrogen atom, and so water too. I grab my

drinking water out of the air - minimize its' human contact. I know

such water produces better rats and plants; so I try to help myself

this way. What is 'rain therapy' and do you use it?

Regarding which essential oils; I regret that I do not yet know yet.

I am fortunate to become a patient of a Russian Doctor MD and

Psychiatrist as well as the best known Medical Intuitive:

Antyuhin. (He Googles Well - not many of them)

His English is a bit limited so he records his diagnosis for me to

listen over and over, and he draws problems on paper; but initially,

the exam is wordless: he stared at me for an hour and a half and only

then went on to document everything - everything I was able to find

with western technology; X-Ray, CT, and NMRI. ... except he found

more logical explanations and he was the first to offer hope of

improvement rather than a better way to mask a symptom. Blew me away!

Still does!

He found a problem everywhere we did not test with the western

technology too; but I had to assume that he could actually 'see' my

energy problems; that's what he told me. He documented so much and

nothing was proven wrong - original diagnosis was shown to be wrong

whenever the two disagreed. Works over the phone too, proximity has

no real benefit. I am scientific and it sits oddly for acceptance,

but also I can not ignore FACTS, and he documented with such

specificity (and Courage).

Anyway, he makes these essential oil mixtures, and they are both

homeopathic and holistic. I wanted to know what was in them, but I

knew mathematically there were likely no molecules of the essential

oils left in the diluted vial, but rather only the energy-memory which

transferred through the water (hydrogen) remained to help heal me (and

the energy inserted while he made them). I never wanted to waste his

time, and I had so many questions more important to me.

I feel very lucky; yet ignorant! Vince

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:20 AM, Mercurius Trismegistus

<magisterium_magnum@...> wrote:

> What sort of essential oils have you used? Did you try rain drop therapy?

>

> Re: (unknown)

>

>> April: I am sorry for your news, don't be too discouraged and smile

>> because it makes one happy, please. May I ask if you were offered an

>> idea of severity, rate, or nature (fast or incrementally slow) of

>> change, and cause?

>>

>> I did find tremendous benefit from acupuncture - even to the degree

>> that it somewhat surprised me. My expert was able to tighten some of

>> the muscles in my back and relax others - to slow down the changing

>> process - even stop it from changing for long periods.

>>

>> Sometimes my expert uses just needles, and sometimes he uses a gizmo

>> with a 9 volt battery connected - it tingles just a tiny bit - and for

>> me this is often the most beneficial. It did not hurt, and the

>> benefits increasingly lasted longer and required less visits per

>> month, and I found it helpful to begin with two treatments weekly

>> during the first two weeks - and quickly it became once monthly.

>>

>> I also was directed to herbs and essential oils and I can not tell you

>> how much benefit I received from each of these three, or even from my

>> positive attitude and what ever placebo effect I got through belief.

>> .. but it has been very positive.

>>

>> I am told by friends that my thoughts of help also help; I call them

>> prayers because it is a projection of purposefully directed love-based

>> 'wellness'. I send such well-wishes each time I hear a human

>> situation that saddens me. So I try to read all postings from several

>> groups, but each prayer is short & individually directed, and hearing

>> from you can make it easier to remember individuals. Thanks for

>> sharing the news, even the sad news. Vince

>>

>> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM, April <nanny04@...>

>> wrote:

>>> Hi Everyone, I hope this email finds you doing well. I had an MRI this

>>> morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7. I

>>> am exactly 4.5 weeks since my lumbar spinal fusion on L4 L5. I have

>>> another Dr. Appointment tomorrow to discuss what we are going to do! This

>>> is very frustrating. I am starting to wonder if my disks are going to

>>> rupture one by one! Anyway, I hope you all find a little less pain today.

>>>

>>> Hugs and Prayers, April

>>>

>>> --

>>> Email2me.... The email service that cares. It is FREE.

>>> http://www.email2me.com

>>>

>>>

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_nanny04@..._ (mailto:nanny04@...) writes: << I had an

MRI this morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7.

>>

I'm sorry to hear this, but I had a ruptured C5/C6 disk and am now facing an

L5/S1 fusion. If it's any consolation, the Cervical fusion was gravy. Three

hrs post-op I was sitting up eating mac & cheese. Four hrs post-op, I was in

the car on my way home. The next few weeks at home kind of s-*-c-k-e-d coz

that's when the real post-op pain began to set in, but i met with a 2nd

opinion neurosurgeon yesterday to discuss my L5/S1 and he told me that a neck

fusion is one of the easiest on patients. It was for me, at least.

I have more mobility now than I had pre-op, and I am virtually pain-free in

the neck and shoulders. I'm sure there are others out here who were not so

fortunate. I had a great experience and would do it again in a heartbeat (if I

had to)!

Best regards,

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What sort of essential oils have you used? Did you try rain drop therapy?

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> April: I am sorry for your news, don't be too discouraged and smile

> because it makes one happy, please. May I ask if you were offered an

> idea of severity, rate, or nature (fast or incrementally slow) of

> change, and cause?

>

> I did find tremendous benefit from acupuncture - even to the degree

> that it somewhat surprised me. My expert was able to tighten some of

> the muscles in my back and relax others - to slow down the changing

> process - even stop it from changing for long periods.

>

> Sometimes my expert uses just needles, and sometimes he uses a gizmo

> with a 9 volt battery connected - it tingles just a tiny bit - and for

> me this is often the most beneficial. It did not hurt, and the

> benefits increasingly lasted longer and required less visits per

> month, and I found it helpful to begin with two treatments weekly

> during the first two weeks - and quickly it became once monthly.

>

> I also was directed to herbs and essential oils and I can not tell you

> how much benefit I received from each of these three, or even from my

> positive attitude and what ever placebo effect I got through belief.

> .. but it has been very positive.

>

> I am told by friends that my thoughts of help also help; I call them

> prayers because it is a projection of purposefully directed love-based

> 'wellness'. I send such well-wishes each time I hear a human

> situation that saddens me. So I try to read all postings from several

> groups, but each prayer is short & individually directed, and hearing

> from you can make it easier to remember individuals. Thanks for

> sharing the news, even the sad news. Vince

>

> On Wed, Mar 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM, April <nanny04@...>

> wrote:

>> Hi Everyone, I hope this email finds you doing well. I had an MRI this

>> morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7. I

>> am exactly 4.5 weeks since my lumbar spinal fusion on L4 L5. I have

>> another Dr. Appointment tomorrow to discuss what we are going to do! This

>> is very frustrating. I am starting to wonder if my disks are going to

>> rupture one by one! Anyway, I hope you all find a little less pain today.

>>

>> Hugs and Prayers, April

>>

>> --

>> Email2me.... The email service that cares. It is FREE.

>> http://www.email2me.com

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Hi April,

 

I'm so sorry to hear about your ruptured disk. I can imagine the fear and

frustration you feel now. I would seriously try to look into the disk ablations

they are starting to do now. I don't personally know much about them except that

my pain doc's website has a little info on it, I don't know that they are even

doing them yet.

 

 

http://www.franklinpaincenter.com/

 

Good Luck to you April!

 

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> Hi Everyone, I hope this email finds you doing well. I had an MRI this

> morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7. I

> am exactly 4.5 weeks since my lumbar spinal fusion on L4 L5. I have

> another Dr. Appointment tomorrow to discuss what we are going to do! This

> is very frustrating. I am starting to wonder if my disks are going to

> rupture one by one! Anyway, I hope you all find a little less pain today.

>

> Hugs and Prayers, April

>

> --

> Email2me.... The email service that cares. It is FREE.

> http://www.email2me .com

>

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I have heard the same about neck fusions.  I've heard if you have a good surgeon

they are a lot easier than fusions in the lumbar.

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Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 7:22 AM

_nanny04email2me (DOT) net_ (mailto:nanny04email2me (DOT) net) writes: << I had an

MRI this morning, and they have found that I now have a ruptured disk at C6 C7.

>>

I'm sorry to hear this, but I had a ruptured C5/C6 disk and am now facing an

L5/S1 fusion. If it's any consolation, the Cervical fusion was gravy. Three

hrs post-op I was sitting up eating mac & cheese. Four hrs post-op, I was in

the car on my way home. The next few weeks at home kind of s-*-c-k-e-d coz

that's when the real post-op pain began to set in, but i met with a 2nd

opinion neurosurgeon yesterday to discuss my L5/S1 and he told me that a neck

fusion is one of the easiest on patients. It was for me, at least.

I have more mobility now than I had pre-op, and I am virtually pain-free in

the neck and shoulders. I'm sure there are others out here who were not so

fortunate. I had a great experience and would do it again in a heartbeat (if I

had to)!

Best regards,

Patty A

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Dearest Bobby,

 

I am so sorry this happened.  With deepest sympathy I send prayers to you, Jeff,

and his family.  Have comfort knowing that he is already resting in God's arms

until his place of rest is ready. 

 

God Bless you,

Jackie S.

From: ROBERTA DOYLE <rcd1929@...>

Subject: [ ] (unknown)

" " < >

Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 6:37 AM

Hello everyone and although I have not read all of your messages, I want to say

thank you for your thoughts and your prayers.  My grandson was 24 years

old, and out of the marines a little less than a year.  He had been to Iraq, and

fought in the battle of Faluja, I do not know how to spell it.  He had been

seeing a psychiatrist at  the VA, and was being treated for post disorder stress

syndrome, I think that is what it's called.  He was told not to drink and take

the meds they gave him, but Jeff  had a drinking problem to begin with.  Perhaps

he forgot he had taken them already, and took more.  Perhaps he just like the

feeling he got when he drank and took them.  None of us believe he wanted to end

his life, and that this was an accident.  I have wondered many times how these

young men and women survive

after going through

what they do.  We raise our children to be kind, don't fight, and be the best

that you can be, then we turn them over to Uncle Sam and they learn how to kill

and we expect them to return home and act like nothing has happened. Some cannot

do this, neither could Jeff.

His grandmother in Florida will be home Fri. and his aunt Debbie is on a cruise,

therefore the wake will not be held until Sunday and his funeral will not take

place until Monday, this is a very long time for his mom and all of us to have

to wait to put him to rest. Thank you for your prayers, blessings, Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

#840  -   Zavie's Zero Club 09/2006 -  out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of

Michigan 06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

 

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My thoughts are with you and you family. I personally think the worst thing in

the world that could happen to me is to lose my children. My dad was 47 years

old when he passed and has been gone for 14 years, but I don't think Granny will

ever get over that.

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Hello everyone and although I have not read all of your messages, I want to say

thank you for your thoughts and your prayers.  My grandson was 24 years

old, and out of the marines a little less than a year.  He had been to Iraq,

and fought in the battle of Faluja, I do not know how to spell it.  He had been

seeing a psychiatrist at  the VA, and was being treated for post disorder

stress syndrome, I think that is what it's called.  He was told not to drink

and take the meds they gave him, but Jeff  had a drinking problem to begin

with.  Perhaps he forgot he had taken them already, and took more.  Perhaps he

just like the feeling he got when he drank and took them.  None of us believe

he wanted to end his life, and that this was an accident.  I have wondered many

times how these young men and women survive

after going through

what they do.  We raise our children to be kind, don't fight, and be the best

that you can be, then we turn them over to Uncle Sam and they learn how to kill

and we expect them to return home and act like nothing has happened. Some cannot

do this, neither could Jeff.

His grandmother in Florida will be home Fri. and his aunt Debbie is on a cruise,

therefore the wake will not be held until Sunday and his funeral will not take

place until Monday, this is a very long time for his mom and all of us to have

to wait to put him to rest. Thank you for your prayers, blessings, Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

#840  -   Zavie's Zero Club 09/2006 -  out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/

U.of Michigan 06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

 

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Bobby,

So sorry to hear this.  I have three children two boys and a girl all three are

military and all three have been to Iraq.  We have battled these coming back

issue with all of them.  All three of them have dealt with the issues in

different ways and all three of them had different issues.  All seems to be okay

at this point but it something that is very difficult to deal with.  What we saw

in the help that they received is that the VA tried to cookie cutter the

treatment and deal with them all the same way.  I think that my children have

helped each other more than any one else could have helped them.  I am sure for

them that it is a feeling that no one else can understand and we cannot unless

we have been there.  I am praying for your family and I let my children know as

they feel that when another soldier falls whether over seas or here in the

states it is still a casualty of war.  Your grandson is a hero that did  not

survive the war that he

fought.  God Bless You and Your Family.

________________________________

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< >

Sent: Thursday, March 5, 2009 6:37:42 AM

Subject: [ ] (unknown)

Hello everyone and although I have not read all of your messages, I want to say

thank you for your thoughts and your prayers.  My grandson was 24 years

old, and out of the marines a little less than a year.  He had been to Iraq, and

fought in the battle of Faluja, I do not know how to spell it.  He had been

seeing a psychiatrist at  the VA, and was being treated for post disorder stress

syndrome, I think that is what it's called.  He was told not to drink and take

the meds they gave him, but Jeff  had a drinking problem to begin with.  Perhaps

he forgot he had taken them already, and took more.  Perhaps he just like the

feeling he got when he drank and took them.  None of us believe he wanted to end

his life, and that this was an accident.  I have wondered many times how these

young men and women survive

after going through

what they do.  We raise our children to be kind, don't fight, and be the best

that you can be, then we turn them over to Uncle Sam and they learn how to kill

and we expect them to return home and act like nothing has happened. Some cannot

do this, neither could Jeff.

His grandmother in Florida will be home Fri. and his aunt Debbie is on a cruise,

therefore the wake will not be held until Sunday and his funeral will not take

place until Monday, this is a very long time for his mom and all of us to have

to wait to put him to rest. Thank you for your prayers, blessings, Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

#840  -   Zavie's Zero Club 09/2006 -  out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/ U.of

Michigan 06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

 

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The poor dear! Bobby dear, Jeff deserved a full and long life and one not

wracked by the torment of PTSD. What a crushing loss for a mother and for all

the family, eased surely somewhat by the knowledge that he was very well-loved

by you all.

I found drinking to be a false comfort, and last year quit my long habit of

ending the day with red wine. It was not easy, and I feel a sympathy with Jeff

-- it's so easy to turn to drink for a sense of comfort and calm. I'm going to

go to a 12-step gathering shortly to offer a memorial prayer for this man who I

never met but whose loss I feel.

I sure wish there was something I could do for you, Bobby. You are always there

for all of us.

From: rcd1929@...

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 04:37:42 -0800

Subject: [ ] (unknown)

Hello everyone and although I have not read all of your messages, I

want to say thank you for your thoughts and your prayers. My grandson

was 24 years old, and out of the marines a little less than a year. He had been

to Iraq, and fought in the battle of Faluja, I do not know how to spell it. He

had been seeing a psychiatrist at the VA, and was being treated for post

disorder stress syndrome, I think that is what it's called. He was told not to

drink and take the meds they gave him, but Jeff had a drinking problem to begin

with. Perhaps he forgot he had taken them already, and took more. Perhaps he

just like the feeling he got when he drank and took them. None of us believe he

wanted to end his life, and that this was an accident. I have wondered many

times how these young men and women survive

after going through

what they do. We raise our children to be kind, don't fight, and be the best

that you can be, then we turn them over to Uncle Sam and they learn how to kill

and we expect them to return home and act like nothing has happened. Some cannot

do this, neither could Jeff.

His grandmother in Florida will be home Fri. and his aunt Debbie is on a cruise,

therefore the wake will not be held until Sunday and his funeral will not take

place until Monday, this is a very long time for his mom and all of us to have

to wait to put him to rest. Thank you for your prayers, blessings, Bobby

a (Bobby) Doyle Brecksville, Ohio, USA DX 05/1995 02/2000 - Gleevec

Trial/OHSU 06/2002 - Gleevec/Trisenox Trial/OHSU 06/2003 - Gleevec/Zarnestra

Trial/OHSU 04/2004 - Sprycel Trial/MDACC, CCR in 10 months

#840 - Zavie's Zero Club 09/2006 - out of CCR 04/29/08 - XL228 Trial/

U.of Michigan 06/02/08 - CCR ( in 4 weeks)

02/13/09 - XL trial ended due to side effects

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Shirley, your doc sure sounds progressive. Here's what I found about each of these things. All of these descriptions come from a specific brand of each supplement.

Mineral complex:

Trace minerals are essential nutrients that are typically “forgotten about,” such as germanium, rubidium, lithium, and cobalt. Even though the human body requires “trace” amounts of these minerals, their inclusion in a wellness supplement program is vital to long-term health, and the lack of restoring these nutrients can result in unforeseen health symptoms.The Trace Complex comes from plant (humic) shale derived from natural sources of mineral water. It is sweetened with the stevia extract leaf and natural lemon flavor.The Trace Complex contains 42% fulvic acid, which is a group of over 72 organically complexed trace minerals and elements in a polyelectrolyte structure* that provide essential trace elements in a highly bio-available form.*A polyelectrolyte is an ion that has a high molecular weight (for example, a protein), so when in solution, it is able to conduct electricity.Ingredients

electrylyte formulaSome of the roles of the Major Electrolytes: Potassium: Muscle function; nerve conduction; water and acid balance; supports cardiovascular function; helps prevent muscle cramps. Magnesium: Nerve conduction; muscle function; energy production and flow; supports cardiovascular and respiratory function; helps prevent muscle cramps. Sodium: Nerve conduction; muscle contraction; water and acid-base balance; thirst response. Chloride: Water and acid-base balance; oxygen exchange; the most abundant anion outside the cell.

Indications for use:ELETE provides the highest quality electrolyte product that delivers optimal hydration. Whether the consumer is a hardcore endurance athlete or someone who just wants to ensure they are providing their body with the necessary elements for good health, ELETE is the superior choice for instant hydration, superior performance, and quick recovery.

Sere Phos

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Calm PRtCalm-PRTTM is a product designed to balance excessive excitatory neurotransmitter levels and to reduce the overstimulation by epinephrine and norepinephrine and is an effective adjunct when inhibitory neurotransmitter support on its own fails to produce the desired outcome. Calm-PRT is a patent-pending formula that reduces high excitatory neurotransmitter levels and prevents overstimulation.

Within the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis stressors excite the hypothalamus to produce corticotropin releasing hormone (CRH). In turn, CRH release causes the pituitary to produce adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH). Consequently, ACTH causes the adrenal cortex to secrete the glucocorticoids cortisol and DHEA. ACTH can also stimulate the adrenal medulla to secrete epinephrine and norepinephrine. These neurotransmitters are important regulators of the body's ?fight-or-flight? response. Cortisol, a hormone also involved in the "fight or flight" stress response, is involved in terminating the HPA-signaled increase in epinephrine and norepinephrine production. As many stressed individuals have inadequate adrenal cortisol production, the body?s adaptive homeostat, the HPA axis, is not functioning optimally and epinephrine and norepinephrine secretion increases.

As a result of faulty HPA signaling, the excretion of epinephrine and norepinephrine can exceed normal levels and may remain elevated long after the stress situation has ended. The Calm-PRT formulation helps to restore proper HPA signaling for steady neurotransmitter levels throughout the day and can be used as adjunct therapy to any NeuroScience Inc. program where additional inhibitory support is required.

Calm-PRT can also be used to address the symptoms of overstimulation that can occur as side-effects of prescription or non-prescription therapies.

Product Ingredients Calm-PRT contains the adaptogen Rhodiola rosea, which at low doses has been widely studied due to its ability to affect the activity of dopamine, epinephrine, norepinephrine, and acetylcholine during stress. The higher doses of Rhodiola Rosea found in Calm-PRT in contrast can reduce overstimulation. This effect is enhanced by the actions of phosphotidylserine.

Phosphotidylserine is the major phospholipid in the brain and is involved with many crucial aspects of cellular membrane function including: cell-to-cell recognition and communication, reception of molecular messages from outside the cell, and the cellular exchange of nutrients. Phosphotidylserine has also been used to reduce cortisol levels in patients with high cortisol

Glycine is the major inhibitory neurotransmitter in the brain-stem and spinal cord and is included to help control overstimulation. Taurine is included in Calm-PRT for it's ability to enhance GABA function.

Number of Capsules per Bottle: 60Serving size: 1CapDosing: twice a day (or as directed)Special Instructions: Doses should be taken on an empty stomach, 30 minutes prior to or 2-3 hours after meals

oral progesterone

Progesterone is a hormone produced principally by the ovary after ovulation. Progesterone serves many purposes, but its principal function is to prepare the lining of the uterus (the endometrium) to allow a fertilized egg to implant and grow. Progesterone is sometimes not produced in adequate amounts or its effect on the lining of the uterus is inadequate. This problem is called luteal deficiency. It is more common in older women and in women with abnormal ovulation. An abnormal lining of the uterus is also more common in women receiving clomiphene (Serophene or Clomid). Several different methods have been used to evaluate the adequacy of the endometrium. An ultrasound scan performed midcycle can measure the consistency of the endometrium and its thickness. A progesterone blood test drawn approximately one week after ovulation may also indicate the progesterone output from the ovary. A single progesterone level, however, is only a rough estimate; since progesterone is released in pulses that range widely even within a span of 24 hours. The endometrial biopsy is the best test to evaluate the adequacy of the endometrium. Progesterone has been used widely in an attempt to improve implantation and fertility. Progesterone therapy has been used in the treatment of luteal phase deficiency, for the treatment of recurrent miscarriages, and in women undergoing in vitro fertilization and related procedures.

INDICATIONSIt is difficult to know in many cases whether progesterone is necessary or helpful. Progesterone is not approved by the FDA for use in women who are attempting to become pregnant or who are not pregnant. The drug is available as an injectable, oral preparation, and a vaginal cream. To date, there is no convincing evidence that progesterone causes birth defects. This seems to make sense, since progesterone is a natural hormone and is identical in structure to the progesterone which is produced during the menstrual cycle and during pregnancy.

RISKS AND BENEFITSThe potential benefit from using the progesterone must therefore be balanced with potential risk. While long-term adverse consequences of progesterone therapy have not been identified in humans and appear unlikely, the safety of this or any drug cannot be absolutely guaranteed. The FDA requires inclusion of a package insert regarding synthetic progestins with each progesterone prescription. These drugs have some progestational effects but also have other effects which progesterone does not have, including male hormone effects. Synthetic progestins may not be safe in pregnancy. DOSAGEProgesterone is available in several forms. Injection of progesterone produces the highest blood levels. Natural progesterone is dissolved in an oil for injection. Because of the body’s rapid metabolism of progesterone, the shot should be given daily to maintain adequate blood progesterone levels. Progesterone suppositories or creams have also been used, but the absorption of progesterone through the vagina is more variable. Blood levels are less predictable but progesterone may exert a direct local effect when absorbed through genital tissue. The oral progesterone capsule is a relatively new way to take progesterone. This avoids the possible complications of pain and abscess formation associated with injections. Oral progesterone is rapidly absorbed into the circulation. For best blood levels, this should be taken twice a day. The oral progesterone has not been used clinically as long as the suppositories or the intramuscular preparations. On a theoretical basis, the metabolism of progesterone given orally could be different from the way progesterone is broken down when it is given either vaginally or intramuscularly. Some of the breakdown products of progesterone may therefore form in different amounts with different routes of administration. SIDE EFFECTSThe side effects of progesterone injection are mainly related to local irritation caused by injection. Suppositories are messy and sometimes give vaginal irritation, itching, burning, or yeast infection. The oral progesterone is well tolerated with side-effects in some women of dizziness or sleepiness. This can be minimized by taking the highest dose of progesterone at night. Care must nevertheless be exercised when taking oral progesterone, especially for the first three days, to avoid complications related to drowsiness. CLINICAL EXPERIENCE Progesterone has been used in many women who are at risk for miscarriage. There is good evidence that progesterone is usually not helpful in this setting, unless an abnormal uterine contour or a luteal phase defect had been diagnosed previously and progesterone supplementation is started before implantation. Progesterone is used routinely in most in vitro fertilization programs after egg retrieval to support the lining of the uterus. The theoretical basis for progesterone use rests on the assumption that a high level of estrogen requires more progesterone to create an adequate uterine environment, and some of the progesterone producing potential of the ovary may be diminished after oocyte retrieval. In an early study on in vitro fertilization, pregnancy rates improved once progesterone was utilized. Although it is not known which patients require progesterone therapy during in vitro fertilization, most programs continue to use this medication for support of implantation.

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My doc is trying so many new things on me that I feel overwhelmed. As anyone heard of mineral complex, electrylyte formula, Sere Phos, Calm PRt, oral progesterone? He hasn't started me on them yet but I don't know what any of these things are. Can anyone out there explain some of what these things are and what they are for? I am like most of you just trying to find what fits! Shirley Godbout

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For some - yes. Others - not if they can get the thyroid functioning.

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Here is my question: Once you take Armour, do you always have to take Armour?

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Maybe they can only take GB prescriptions, but you could ask dales who compound mine, they are down in the London area and sorry I don't have an email for them. However, if you can get a reply from them they may make it clearer. Have you tried Alldaychemist etc?

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Glad to see someone else standing up for Boston Scientific....I was starting to

feel like the step-child!!! lol I still say with an scs you can get a lemon

just like you can a car, my parents had a lemon Mercedes that they got straight

from the factory in Germany when we lived there. They got to go watch it go

down the assembly line. You just never know. And I'm sure with scs reps you're

going to find good ones and bad ones with all the companies. I have one I'm not

particularly fond of, it's just a personality thing I guess. So I always call

one of the other 4 I have available to me. And as for the actual surgery, any

doctor could have a bad day, even the greatest doctor. And I'm sure there are

really bad doctors who rarely have a good day!! The best thing is to just do

your research, check out the doctors who are performing the procedure. I know

people who have had bad experiences with Medtronics. One the device stopped

working within a

month, wouldn't charge, wouldn't do anything. She had to have it replaced.

Another still has hers but it doesn't work properly so it's implanted but

doesn't work and she doesn't want to go through the surgery again. And she had

such a bad surgery (in the hospital 3 days) she's afraid to let them take it

out. Both of these people wanted to go where I went but their insurance wasn't

accepted. I'm going to ask (if I remember) the next time I go to Pain Mgt what

the success rate is with my doctor's office.....I believe they only do the

Boston Scientific.

Take Care,

B. in TEXAS

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From: Corn <butterfliesrfree309@...>

stimulator

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:46:12 PM

Subject: (unknown)

Ron

I'm sorry that you had a problem with your Bostom Scientific stimulator. I have

2 of them, a lumbar and cervical. When I had a problem, my doctor made sure it

was resolved very quickly and it was. I wish you luck with the medtronics. Let

us know how you made out

Sue C

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So did your work or not  RON

From: B <muttsmom55@...>

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Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 6:12 PM

Glad to see someone else standing up for Boston Scientific.. ..I was starting to

feel like the step-child!! ! lol I still say with an scs you can get a lemon

just like you can a car, my parents had a lemon Mercedes that they got straight

from the factory in Germany when we lived there. They got to go watch it go down

the assembly line. You just never know. And I'm sure with scs reps you're going

to find good ones and bad ones with all the companies. I have one I'm not

particularly fond of, it's just a personality thing I guess. So I always call

one of the other 4 I have available to me. And as for the actual surgery, any

doctor could have a bad day, even the greatest doctor. And I'm sure there are

really bad doctors who rarely have a good day!! The best thing is to just do

your research, check out the doctors who are performing the procedure. I know

people who have had bad experiences with Medtronics. One the device stopped

working within a

month, wouldn't charge, wouldn't do anything. She had to have it replaced.

Another still has hers but it doesn't work properly so it's implanted but

doesn't work and she doesn't want to go through the surgery again. And she had

such a bad surgery (in the hospital 3 days) she's afraid to let them take it

out. Both of these people wanted to go where I went but their insurance wasn't

accepted. I'm going to ask (if I remember) the next time I go to Pain Mgt what

the success rate is with my doctor's office.....I believe they only do the

Boston Scientific.

Take Care,

B. in TEXAS

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Corn <butterfliesrfree309 @>

stimulator@gro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 5:46:12 PM

Subject: (unknown)

Ron

I'm sorry that you had a problem with your Bostom Scientific stimulator. I have

2 of them, a lumbar and cervical. When I had a problem, my doctor made sure it

was resolved very quickly and it was. I wish you luck with the medtronics. Let

us know how you made out

Sue C

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It took me a month to get a replacement battery, and the wire going crose heated

up, i called them and they said don't worry about it. I had a total of different

reps and 2 different reg. managers. so may problems i can't count them. the

doctor was fine, he had always used medtronics before , i was his first abs

system, he only did 2 total of the ABS the he went back to the Medtronics

system. i was the guinea pig   Thanks  Ron

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Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 5:46 PM

Ron

I'm sorry that you had a problem with your Bostom Scientific stimulator. I have

2 of them, a lumbar and cervical.  When I had a problem, my doctor made sure it

was resolved very quickly and it was. I wish you   luck with the medtronics. Let

us know how you made out

Sue C

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