Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 yes , just wondered where it is sourced. some places are more polluted than others. From: avproff@... <avproff@...>Subject: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:20 Since kelp is beeing sold as supplement and kombu is often called kelp too, which is the main iodine source of the Japanese, I doubt that this statement is correct.> > >> > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > BarbF> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 this reminds me of the ban of Tryptophan after it was contaminated with peak-x and caused a lot of health problems. Tryptophan, correctly fabricated, never caused problems and is available in europe without prescription. with this in mind it is likely that she got a bad supplement, other kelp supplements do not necessary need to have the same contamination. But I would prefer Iodoral or Lugol too, because it is higher in Iodine and kelp should contain bromide, another con against kelp, at least for a population that has been deficient on Iodine for decades and had a high intake of Bromide which includes most of the western world. > > > > > > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos. > > > > BarbF > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 all the oceans are contaminated.read about fish and pregnant women > > > > > > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos. > > > > BarbF > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Kelp is contaminated with arsenic from the contaminated fertilizer runoff in rivers... Linsey On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:33 AM, z100a2002 wrote: > all the oceans are contaminated.read about fish and pregnant women > > >> >> very interesting. I wonder where that kelp came from >> obviously if the ocean around the kelp is polluted, who knows what >> it contains. >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to other molecules? Biochemist schrieb: > > > Kelp is contaminated with arsenic from the contaminated fertilizer > runoff in rivers... > > Linsey > On Oct 22, 2009, at 10:33 AM, z100a2002 wrote: > > > all the oceans are contaminated.read about fish and pregnant women > > > > > >> > >> very interesting. I wonder where that kelp came from > >> obviously if the ocean around the kelp is polluted, who knows what > >> it contains. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hello , Arsenic opposes iodine in uptake and metabolism in the body...it does not combine with selenium that I have ever heard. Selenium is needed to help convert T4 to T3 in the body. Selenium will oppose mercury, but does not combine with it. Linsey On Oct 22, 2009, at 12:02 PM, JULIE GRIFFITHS wrote: > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to > other molecules? > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 good point. From: avproff@... <avproff@...>Subject: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:28 this reminds me of the ban of Tryptophan after it was contaminated with peak-x and caused a lot of health problems. Tryptophan, correctly fabricated, never caused problems and is available in europe without prescription.with this in mind it is likely that she got a bad supplement, other kelp supplements do not necessary need to have the same contamination.But I would prefer Iodoral or Lugol too, because it is higher in Iodine and kelp should contain bromide, another con against kelp, at least for a population that has been deficient on Iodine for decades and had a high intake of Bromide which includes most of the western world.> > > >> > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > > BarbF> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 wouldn't the japanese have discovered that? From: z100a2002 <zahavi100@...>Subject: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:33 all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women> > > >> > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > > BarbF> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 They discovered it yes, in fact there is a city in Japan that had an industry that majorly polluted the sea and air with mercury, likely the most mercury polluted area anyplace. I forget the name of the place. Being a large industry, they basically denied everything and they still have problems to this day. Commerce, trade, and denial in gov, same as here Bruce Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:33 all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women> > > >> > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > > BarbF> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 yes that is a piece certainly. but surely we can't conclude that the Japanese are poisoning themselves with seaweed. Surely there are kelps that are not in the path of runoff? > all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women>> >>>> very interesting. I wonder where that kelp came from>> obviously if the ocean around the kelp is polluted, who knows what >> it contains.>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 if the selenium is available? >> > all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women> >> > > >>> >> very interesting. I wonder where that kelp came from> >> obviously if the ocean around the kelp is polluted, who knows what> >> it contains.> >> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270..14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be expelled from the body? > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to> other molecules?>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Of course, they actually have excellent research in health. I'd just want to know the source and if it was independently tested is all... Bruce Re: Re: constipation yes that is a piece certainly. but surely we can't conclude that the Japanese are poisoning themselves with seaweed. Surely there are kelps that are not in the path of runoff? > all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women>> >>>> very interesting. I wonder where that kelp came from>> obviously if the ocean around the kelp is polluted, who knows what >> it contains.>> >>>>>>>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Yes, actually a google search on selenium mercury has interesting results... It apparently binds to mercury forming a new compund that can be eleminated. It also helps raise glutatione levels which also detoxes. Bruce Re: Re: constipation Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be expelled from the body? > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to> other molecules?>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 what happen was a huge scandal. People were dying from brittle bone disease. They couldn't even be moved lest their bones would break. And they did that's how they found out? I seem to remember that was some sort of mercury poisoning in the waters? From: z100a2002 <zahavi100gmail (DOT) com>Subject: Re: constipationiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:33 all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women> > > >> > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > > BarbF> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 However that doesn't mean that unpolluted kelp and other seaweeds are not available. But how would one know without a lab test. There is a site on the net in the US that tests vitamins and minerals. You pay a small subscription and ge t info on whatevr. david From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 20:49 They discovered it yes, in fact there is a city in Japan that had an industry that majorly polluted the sea and air with mercury, likely the most mercury polluted area anyplace. I forget the name of the place. Being a large industry, they basically denied everything and they still have problems to this day. Commerce, trade, and denial in gov, same as here Bruce Re: constipationiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 17:33 all the oceans are contaminated. read about fish and pregnant women> > > >> > > > Constipation can also be a symptom of hypothyroidism and nothing will help but proper medication. Iodine can suppress the thyroid, particularly at the beginning of supplementing. Also, it can be a side effect of certain chemos.> > > > BarbF> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 thanks Bruse. Wiki can be a good source sometimes as well. From: Bruce <bruce@...>Subject: Re: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:06 Yes, actually a google search on selenium mercury has interesting results... It apparently binds to mercury forming a new compund that can be eleminated. It also helps raise glutatione levels which also detoxes. Bruce Re: Re: constipation Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be expelled from the body? > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to> other molecules?>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Bruce , this may interest you and anyone else who buys vitamins and minerals. https://www.mineraltestkit.co.uk/products/about.html?gclid=CIXG-9a90Z0CFYIA4wodn1kHqQ http://www.consumerlab.com/ From: david kenna <davidjohnkenna@...>Subject: Re: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:14 thanks Bruse. Wiki can be a good source sometimes as well. From: Bruce <brucebkdesign (DOT) ca>Subject: Re: Re: constipationiodinegroups (DOT) comDate: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:06 Yes, actually a google search on selenium mercury has interesting results... It apparently binds to mercury forming a new compund that can be eleminated. It also helps raise glutatione levels which also detoxes. Bruce Re: Re: constipation Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be expelled from the body? > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it biounavailable to> other molecules?>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 In my opinion, Wiki is a useful and general source of information but nothing more. You have to refer to the research literature to investigate properly. I use Wiki just to get a general idea of a subject I don't know much about and in other cases only as a guideline in case I have missed something. One has NO idea who writes up the information. It could be a disinformation specialist for all we know...... My primary source of medical/health nformation is www.pubmed.com. a database created by the National Institutes of Health, Washington D.C. Given the vested interests in and around Washington D.C., I have learned over teh last 10 years of research to take much of what is listed with a 'measured' grain of salt. Pubmed lists abstracts. I try to find the actual studies and look closely at who funded them. This influences very much whether I take the conclusions seriously. best, david kenna schrieb: > > > thanks Bruse. Wiki can be a good source sometimes as well. > > > > > From: Bruce <bruce@...> > Subject: Re: Re: constipation > iodine > Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:06 > > > Yes, actually a google search on selenium mercury has interesting > results... > It apparently binds to mercury forming a new compund that can be > eleminated. It also > helps raise glutatione levels which also detoxes. > > Bruce > > > > * Re: Re: constipation > > > Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be > expelled from the body? > > > > > > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it > biounavailable to > > other molecules? > > > > > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Quite right . I do the same. However here are two sites you may find innteresting. https://www.mineraltestkit.co.uk/products/about.html?gclid=CIXG-9a90Z0CFYIA4wodn1kHqQ http://www.consumerlab.com/ 9, JULIE GRIFFITHS <moppett1@...> wrote: From: JULIE GRIFFITHS <moppett1@...>Subject: Re: Re: constipationiodine Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:33 In my opinion, Wiki is a useful and general source of information but nothing more. You have to refer to the research literature to investigate properly. I use Wiki just to get a general idea of a subject I don't know much about and in other cases only as a guideline in case I have missed something. One has NO idea who writes up the information. It could be a disinformation specialist for all we know......My primary source of medical/health nformation is www.pubmed.com. a database created by the National Institutes of Health, Washington D.C. Given the vested interests in and around Washington D.C., I have learned over teh last 10 years of research to take much of what is listed with a 'measured' grain of salt. Pubmed lists abstracts. I try to find the actual studies and look closely at who funded them. This influences very much whether I take the conclusions seriously.best,david kenna schrieb:> >> thanks Bruse. Wiki can be a good source sometimes as well.> >>>> From: Bruce <brucebkdesign (DOT) . ca>> Subject: Re: Re: constipation> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 21:06>> > Yes, actually a google search on selenium mercury has interesting> results...> It apparently binds to mercury forming a new compund that can be> eleminated. It also> helps raise glutatione levels which also detoxes.> > Bruce> > >> * Re: Re: constipation>> > Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be> expelled from the body?> >> >> > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it> biounavailable to> > other molecules?> >> >> >>>>>> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ->>> No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hello , There are several published studies of many kinds and sources of kelp and also other seaweeds and all were over the safe limit for arsenic... Linsey On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:52 PM, david kenna wrote: > > > yes that is a piece certainly. but surely we can't conclude that the > Japanese are poisoning > themselves with seaweed. Surely there are kelps that are not in the > path of runoff? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 isn't it a wonder that the FDA allow it to be sold? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Hello , No binding per se...it is a displacement reaction, like bumper pool, when one displaces the other and substitutes itself in tissue and biochemistry. Linsey On Oct 22, 2009, at 1:58 PM, david kenna wrote: > > > Doesn't selenium bind with mecury which allows it to be expelled > from the body? > > > > > From: Biochemist <vitamail@...> > Subject: Re: Re: constipation > iodine > Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 19:28 > > Hello , > Arsenic opposes iodine in uptake and metabolism in the body...it does > not combine with selenium that I have ever heard. Selenium is needed > to help convert T4 to T3 in the body. Selenium will oppose mercury, > but does not combine with it. > > Linsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I use www.pubmed.org ( .com) for independent studies from scientists/mds etc from all over the world. It is an independent site. another! > > > > > Arsenic combines with selenium so wouldn't that it > > biounavailable to > > > other molecules? > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.26/2451 - Release Date: 10/22/09 08:51:00 > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 thanks Linsey... >> From: Biochemist <vitamailearthlink (DOT) net>> Subject: Re: Re: constipation> iodinegroups (DOT) com> Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 19:28>> Hello ,> Arsenic opposes iodine in uptake and metabolism in the body...it does> not combine with selenium that I have ever heard. Selenium is needed> to help convert T4 to T3 in the body. Selenium will oppose mercury,> but does not combine with it.>> Linsey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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