Antibiotics

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Hi all,

I rarely take antibiotics. Once every 5-10 years. I always have a little sinus

infection going. I try to keepit under control with the saline rinse. I have

taken

antibotics for strep and pertussis and once for a retained placenta when I

developed the flu while waiting for it to pass.

Prednisone is a dream come true, when you need it it will save your life

quickly! My goal is to not need it, but I love the way I feel when on it. I

did

need a few bursts while pregnant and breastfeeding. The ENT said no, never

take it while breastfeeding. The pediatrician said it is no big deal. While

pregnant, all doctors said that the asthma protocol does not change at all.

The phrase heard most often is the baby needs as much oxegen as I can give

it.

Snow day here,

Pam in NM

Here's a question (or 3) for

everyone!

>

> When do you decide you need to take antibiotics?

[Guest guest]

Thanks Pam for your reply - I would love to aim for 1ce every 5-10 yeqrs: 1ce every 5-10 months would be good too!

Agree with you about the prednisone,

Becky

PS Enjoy the snow and Happy Thanksgiving to all in America!Pam <pamelaglad@...> wrote:

Hi all,I rarely take antibiotics. Once every 5-10 years. I always have a little sinus infection going. I try to keepit under control with the saline rinse. I have taken antibotics for strep and pertussis and once for a retained placenta when I developed the flu while waiting for it to pass.Prednisone is a dream come true, when you need it it will save your life quickly! My goal is to not need it, but I love the way I feel when on it. I did need a few bursts while pregnant and breastfeeding. The ENT said no, never take it while breastfeeding. The pediatrician said it is no big deal. While pregnant, all doctors said that the asthma protocol does not change at all. The phrase heard most often is the baby needs as much oxegen as I can give it. Snow day

here,Pam in NMHere's a question (or 3) for everyone!> > When do you decide you need to take antibiotics?

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My allergist/immunologist gave me a script for Bactroban ointment,

which I mix with saline to treat sinus infections. I use the

Bactroban spray for a week and if there is no improvement (like this

last bout -- have been on 3 courses of antibiotics since and still

fighting for 7 weeks) I ask for antibiotics. I cannot take

prednisone and when I get a bad sinus infection, my asthma flares and

I get bronchitis. As I always say, breathing is NOT over-rated! I

am doing a bit better now and my fingernails are less purple. I am

still dependent on my nebulizer, but hopefully, this too shall pass.

Here's a question (or 3)

for everyone!

>

> When do you decide you need to take antibiotics?

> Do you try to fight a sinus infection for a few days /weeks and see

if it'll go of its own accord?

> Or decide to take them soon after a flare-up cos you know you can't

do without them or because your thinking is " the sooner I tackle it,

the sooner it'll go away? "

>

> Obviously it's not good to take them all the time - the doctors

certainly don't like it!

>

> I'm just wondering cos most the time I have a very low grade

infection - not too annoying, so I carry on as normal. Then I get a

cold and all hell breaks loose so I go for the antibiotics to help me

fight the obvious bacterial infection. Sometimes they work, sometimes

they don't.

> I would welcome other peoples comments on this subject. Does anyone

have a failsafe protocol for taking them?!

>

> PS I agree with Ken on the prednisone - it really helps me feel

human again - have just started a burst yesterday, so am hoping to

feel ok by X-mas!

>

> Becky

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[Guest guest]

How well does that work since the Bactroban is in an oil base? Or

maybe it isn't?

I hope that you are feeling better very soon.

I don't think I would be alive if not for prednisone and medrol. It

has truly been a life-saving experience with them but I am having

difficulities with side effects now. ((

I do have a recipe for nasal drops that put the antibiotics directly

into the sinuses. I can send it to you, if you would like. Tastes

awful but it works. I used this recipe before I learned about nasal

rinses. The drops work better after you have used a nasal rinse and

since you can position your head to where the drops will do the most

benefit. They are more potent than the rinse since you only use a

small amount of purified water.

in New Mexico

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> My allergist/immunologist gave me a script for Bactroban ointment,

> which I mix with saline to treat sinus infections. I use the

> Bactroban spray for a week and if there is no improvement (like

this

> last bout -- have been on 3 courses of antibiotics since and still

> fighting for 7 weeks) I ask for antibiotics. I cannot take

> prednisone and when I get a bad sinus infection, my asthma flares

and

> I get bronchitis. As I always say, breathing is NOT over-rated! I

> am doing a bit better now and my fingernails are less purple. I am

> still dependent on my nebulizer, but hopefully, this too shall pass.

[Guest guest]

Thank you ! I would like that recipe, please!

(gbphipps@...) The Bactroban works, generally, if I catch the

infection at the very beginning. If not, it doesn't seem to touch it

and I get a long and miserable bout like I am in now. I think it is

in an oil base, but it mixes pretty well with an inch of ointment in

a 1.5 oz. saline spray. Sometimes I wish I could take prednisone so

things could resolve more quickly, despite the side-effects of

steroids, but when I start, my needs increase exponentially (once

maxed the oral dosage, plus more and ended up in the hospital for a

week of IV steroids, a syncope and 5 fractured ribs from the cough)

and I can't seem to taper. My immunologist agrees with me, that it

is the wrong drug for me. I am considering going back on

methotrexate for my asthma, but cannot do this until the infection

subsides because it is an immunosuppressant and it would make it even

harder to shake the infection. I consider myself extremely lucky

that I generally retain my sense of smell (even to the point of it

being very acute), though the asthma seems to be coming with

increasing frequency and strength. My motto is: Breathing is NOT

over-rated!

I had sinus surgery several years ago and my doc wants another CT

scan to see what is happening again. It may be time for more. This

Samter's surely is not for sissies!

Thanks again,

Gisele from Maine

> >

> > My allergist/immunologist gave me a script for Bactroban

ointment,

> > which I mix with saline to treat sinus infections. I use the

> > Bactroban spray for a week and if there is no improvement (like

> this

> > last bout -- have been on 3 courses of antibiotics since and

still

> > fighting for 7 weeks) I ask for antibiotics. I cannot take

> > prednisone and when I get a bad sinus infection, my asthma flares

> and

> > I get bronchitis. As I always say, breathing is NOT over-rated!

I

> > am doing a bit better now and my fingernails are less purple. I

am

> > still dependent on my nebulizer, but hopefully, this too shall

pass.

[Guest guest]

My friend is taking antibiotics because her throat felt scratchy and

she worried it was strep. She didn't know it was strep, and she said

she didn't have time to go to the doctor to find out.

I told her don't take them unless you absolutely have to. Always look

for an alternative first. Alot of wholistic healers say never, ever

take them period.

I told her about these pro-biotics I use that kill the germs, " Nature's

Biotics " by Life Science -- I open the capsule into a jar of water,

shake it up and gargle and drink it before bed. In the morning the sore

throat is gone. Sometimes I have to do it a couple days in a row.

- T

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:14:44 -0700

From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots@...>

Subject: Re: antibiotics?

Tamara Tornado wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good website article on why antibiotics are bad

> for you? I'm trying to explain this to a friend, who is taking

> antibiotics very casually....

In addition to that:

Have you asked your friend to explain why they think antibiotics are

good for them?

Perhaps knowing what they are trying to achieve will help you point to

safer and more effective alternatives to get there?

....Irene

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Thank you, these are excellent!

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Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:00:01 EDT

From: Maddviking@...

Subject: Re: antibiotics?

In a message dated 6/17/2005 9:57:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

tamaratornado@... writes:

Does anyone know of a good website article on why antibiotics are bad

for you?

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/antibiotics.htm

http://www.unhinderedliving.com/drugdangers.html

http://www.mercola.com/2003/jun/18/antibiotics_bacteria.htm

http://www.pacifichealthcenter.com/updates/1.asp

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Deflect makes a great (but icky) sore throat gargle too.

Re: antibiotics

I told her about these pro-biotics I use that kill the germs, " Nature's

Biotics " by Life Science -- I open the capsule into a jar of water,

shake it up and gargle and drink it before bed. In the morning the sore

throat is gone. Sometimes I have to do it a couple days in a row.

- T

[Guest guest]

Thanks , I hadn't heard that one. I'll keep that in mind.

Re: antibiotics

I told her about these pro-biotics I use that kill the germs, " Nature's

Biotics " by Life Science -- I open the capsule into a jar of water,

shake it up and gargle and drink it before bed. In the morning the sore

throat is gone. Sometimes I have to do it a couple days in a row.

- T

[Guest guest]

Well, my doctor typically gives me Omnicef

for 10 days. However, I think Avelox is considered a better antibiotic for

sinus infections, but I am allergic to it. It is also supposed to have a low

incidence of side effects. Go figure. Both my ENT and allergist were surprised

when I told them I had an allergic reaction to it after the second dose. Omnicef

seems to work well though and I don’t have too many troubles with it.

K.

antibiotics

What antibiotic is best/most perscribed for sinus

infections, and for

how long should the treatment continue for best results?

[Guest guest]

Our feed store carries antibiotics for fish; they say a lot of indigent families

buy amoxicillin for their families use. However, I am not sure of the quality

and control of the product for human consumption.

in La Selva Beach CA

Re: Dental infections & chronic illness

Ebay has lots of antibiotics available for fish.

amoxicillin and keflex amongst them

mjh

" The Basil Book "

_http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/_ (http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/)

When I piped up with " yes, but that's because I'm

taking my dog's penicillin right now, because unless I do...yada yada, " he

replied that he had been to a seminar of some sort for dentists and had

conferred with another dentist who impressed him with the high

" coincidence " of dental infection and chronic illnesses such as chronic

fatigue syndrome, fibromylalgia, and all the rest of these illnesses. (He

also said he would prescribe the abx and I could stop stealing my poor

dog's!)

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No correlation here, but I have avoided taking the Rx I got from derm last December for the mild case of 'leprosy' (that's what it feels like to me & if 1 more person says "have you been blowing your nose alot?" I'll scream!) around my nose for fear of developing a vag yeast & then having to pee for EtG. Like you said in the past Lorie, what's a little leprosy among friends? MarshaLorie Garlick <lorieg@...> wrote: Has anyone noticed any correlation with

taking systemic antibiotics and positive EtGs?

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None here. I had a Z-Pack last month. No Tylenol. Even had a little

oral thrush when I had to test....I was on pins and needles. I guess

no POSITIVE but then again I here the cutoff is now 500

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> Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic antibiotics

and

> positive EtGs?

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[Guest guest]

hi lorie,the macrolides,emycin,zmycin and quinolones,cipro et al,are liver cp450 metabolized so in theory could have a role...have never heard of any clinical false positives as a result of this..regards,r. Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt@...> wrote: No correlation here, but I have avoided taking the Rx I got from derm last December for the mild case of 'leprosy' (that's what it feels like to me & if 1 more person says "have you been blowing your nose

alot?" I'll scream!) around my nose for fear of developing a vag yeast & then having to pee for EtG. Like you said in the past Lorie, what's a little leprosy among friends? MarshaLorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote: Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic antibiotics and positive EtGs? Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

[Guest guest]

Hi Robin,

I was thinking more along the lines of whether antibiotics would cause an overgrowth of yeast in the GI tract, causing endogenous alcohol production to rise.

Lorie

Re: Antibiotics

hi lorie,the macrolides,emycin,zmycin and quinolones,cipro et al,are liver cp450

metabolized so in theory could have a role...have never heard of any clinical

false positives as a result of this..regards,r.

Marsha Dienelt <marshadienelt > wrote:

No correlation here, but I have avoided taking the Rx I got from derm last December for the mild case of 'leprosy' (that's what it feels like to me & if 1 more person says "have you been blowing your nose alot?" I'll scream!) around my nose for fear of developing a vag yeast & then having to pee for EtG.

Like you said in the past Lorie, what's a little leprosy among friends?

MarshaLorie Garlick <lorieglanset> wrote:

Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic antibiotics and positive EtGs?

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Both of my positives were after taking Macrodantin, Zithromax,

Diflucan, Aleve, Celebrex, Atarax, Neurontin, Climera Pro patch, and

having intra-articular DepoMedrol which in preserved with

polyethylene glycol and benzyl alcohol after Xylocaine with Epi local

anethesia. I had asked Dr. Skipper if polyethylene glycol could have

contributed, as I think it is metabolized by the same enzymes as

ethanol, but never received any feedback.

I have been afraid to have any joint injections since then, which is

unfortunante because they really help me.

I am a little different from most of you in that alcohol was my drug

of choice, and although I did take a lot of NSAID's, I never took

Tylenol.

I do want to sincerely thank all of you for your extraordinary

efforts on behalf of the rest of us who for various reasons are not

as openly involved.

I am also a Texas physician, but am under a confidental

rehabilitation order, and as such I am reluctant to come forward in a

visable way, for if I do, I might as well have a public order.

But like everyone else, I did not drink and this has had a

devastating effect on me. I had foolishly looked upon drug testing as

my safety net in case I ever had the urge to drink, for I knew that I

was either done with alcohol or done with medicine. And medicine is

my life.

But now I know drug testing as currently administered is a roll of

the dice, and I never know on any day whether I will win or lose,

regardless of my sobriety.

> Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic

antibiotics and

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hi mesa,you have a ton of medication there that would block cp450 liver enzymes with the lead blocker on the team diflucan,zmax and the hormone patch... tons of drug-drug interactions there too all which would skew etoh to increased EtG... it is a wonder you did not have more...plus you would have had the antibiotic autobrewery increased yeast more endogenous etoh deal going on as well...kind of amazing you got put on all that stuff while being monitored...regards,r mesa7r <mesa7r@...> wrote: Both of my positives were after taking Macrodantin, Zithromax, Diflucan, Aleve, Celebrex, Atarax, Neurontin, Climera Pro patch, and having intra-articular DepoMedrol which in preserved with polyethylene glycol and benzyl alcohol after Xylocaine with Epi local anethesia. I had asked Dr. Skipper if polyethylene glycol could have contributed, as I think it is metabolized by the same enzymes as ethanol, but never received any feedback.I have been afraid to have any joint injections since then, which is unfortunante because they really help me.I am a little different from most of you in that alcohol was my drug of choice, and although I did take a lot of NSAID's, I never took Tylenol.I do want to sincerely thank all of you for your extraordinary efforts on behalf of the rest of us who for various reasons are not as openly involved.I am

also a Texas physician, but am under a confidental rehabilitation order, and as such I am reluctant to come forward in a visable way, for if I do, I might as well have a public order.But like everyone else, I did not drink and this has had a devastating effect on me. I had foolishly looked upon drug testing as my safety net in case I ever had the urge to drink, for I knew that I was either done with alcohol or done with medicine. And medicine is my life. But now I know drug testing as currently administered is a roll of the dice, and I never know on any day whether I will win or lose, regardless of my sobriety.> Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic antibiotics and > positive EtGs? > > > > > > ---------------------------------> Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting

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Well they are actually innocuous medications from a recovery

standpoint, and not on my list of prohibited substances, except

Atarax which was given to me by prescription by my PCP and OK'd by my

compliance officer.

Unfortunately our medical problems don't go away just because we are

on monitioring.

And at that point I didn't have any thoughts that something like HRT

or diflucan was any problem at all. I didn't know anything about

innocent positive EtG. And when I first found out about all the EtG

issues a year ago, the party line was non-alcohol containing

medications were not an issue in positive EtG. Nor was topical or

inhalation exposure to ethanol a problem " unless you are huffing it " .

And I was foolish enough to think that the issue was recovery and

sobriety. But now I know better.

> > Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic

> antibiotics and

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you are right,mesa,their ignorance in these matters is nothing short of amazing... things are changing now for the better i hope as more is revealed...i think the medical problems must be treated as a priority with a knowledge that it may increase EtG as a side effect...i do try to select meds that have renal metabolism if possible...i too was living in the fantasy that it was all about recovery...i stand corrected,regards,r mesa7r <mesa7r@...> wrote: Well they are actually innocuous medications from a recovery standpoint, and not on my list of prohibited substances, except Atarax which was given to me by prescription by my PCP and OK'd by my compliance officer.Unfortunately our medical problems don't go away just because we are on monitioring.And at that point I didn't have any thoughts that something like HRT or diflucan was any problem at all. I didn't know anything about innocent positive EtG. And when I first found out about all the EtG issues a year ago, the party line was non-alcohol containing medications were not an issue in positive EtG. Nor was topical or inhalation exposure to ethanol a problem "unless you are huffing it".And I was foolish enough to think that the issue was recovery and sobriety. But now I know better.> > Has anyone noticed any correlation with taking systemic > antibiotics and > > positive EtGs? > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Talk is cheap. Use

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[Guest guest]

Hi LL,

Currently I am on Ciprofloxin (antibiotic) and Accutane and they help

a little but not enough to eradicate whatever this is. (at least so

far)

How are you doing on the Colloidal Silver? Are you ingesting that as

well as putting that on your skin? I have been reading about Nutra

Silver and several have had success with taking that although it may

be a bit pricey. Have you heard of that? Thanks.

Lady Dee

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> has anyone tried antibiotics to get rid of this????

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> L

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lady,

It really helps to get them out of my skin by putting

it on topically....

but i still have them....

I am waiting for my ozone generator ...will keep you

posted...

Love l

--- ladydee96 <ladydee96@...> wrote:

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> Hi LL,

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> Currently I am on Ciprofloxin (antibiotic) and

> Accutane and they help

> a little but not enough to eradicate whatever this

> is. (at least so

> far)

>

> How are you doing on the Colloidal Silver? Are you

> ingesting that as

> well as putting that on your skin? I have been

> reading about Nutra

> Silver and several have had success with taking that

> although it may

> be a bit pricey. Have you heard of that? Thanks.

>

> Lady Dee

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> > has anyone tried antibiotics to get rid of

> this????

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> > L

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[Guest guest]

Hi LL,

Thanks. How much cs to lotion do you apply (ratio)? You asked

about the nutra silver versus the cs and I think as I understand it

is that the nutra silver is clustered silver as opposed to colloidal

silver which is a different process. I need to research it more but

some have been cured by taking it. I will let you know what I find

out about it.

Lady Dee

P.S. Good luck with the ozone generator. I hope that works, too!

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> > this????

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pam. I think many of us here have been victims of doctors being reluctant to prescribe antibiotics for sinus problems (and for too short a duration). When I first got Samters in the late 1980's, doctors wouldn't prescribe antibiotics because I wasn't running a fever -therefore I must not have had an infection. I finally found a doctor that x-rayed my sinuses and told me I had a "massive" sinus infection. He was also the first doc to tell me that I had Samters Triad. I told him that I had likely had the same infection for 8-10 years! Since Aspirin desens, with occassional infections my doctor has been very agressive with antibiotics and also always prescribes prednisone with them. It works! We should all assume that if we are blowing colored gunk out our nose, we must have an infection. Also, with polyps we must shrink them with pred. to allow for complete drainage and

cure. Even after desens, I still get infections after a head cold or flu. Once my doctor and I started this practice, I've had fewer and shorter infections. Although the general public may use too many antibiotics for sinusitis, we samterites should probably use more. JimPamela <pam@...> wrote: here is a link for a BBC article about using antibiotics for sinus infections.http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7294244.stmPam

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I usually wait and suffer for the 7-10 days to rule out a viral infection and end up usually with a chronic sinus infection afterwards.My M.D. says now to come in and get the antibiotics at the first sign of the cold as the above has repeated almost every time.He states that with most people he would wait but that he would treat me differently.Wayne

samters From: pam@...Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:56:34 -0400Subject: antibiotics

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For me

it depends on the color of the mucus. I occasionally get opaque yellowish

goo that I essentially ignore. It’ll go away in a week or so

without any drugs. But when I get the nasty green goo for more than a

couple days, I head off to the doctor. Though there are times I suspect

that the antibiotics don’t help much as it takes forever for the

infection to go away. My last infection I was on 2 different antibiotics

over the course of a month when it finally went away. It makes me wonder

if it would have gone away in that month on its own without the “fun”

antibiotic side effects. Of course, I am also allergic to quinolone

antibiotics like Avelox, which might have cleared up my infection right away. My

ENT had cultured it and then said how I was “a challenge” for him

to figure out what antibiotic would work, because Avelox or Cipro were the

antibiotics of choice for that particular bug. Lucky me.

K.

antibiotics

here is a link for a BBC article about using

antibiotics for sinus

infections.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7294244.stm

Pam