Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 I >prefer saying this, because people who have had all required by law >and plus vaccinations and who are healthy need to understand that we >are talking of RISKS, and that they just have been lucky ! > >===== > Cecile, I don't know of any vaccinated child that has been 'lucky'. All the kids I know that are vaccinated and over five yrs old have some form of 'learning difficulty', ear infections, asthma, behavioural problems, diabetes, constant ill-health and general malaise. These kids are just 'not right' and seem to be constantly agitated or dull. Maybe its the food, maybe its TV, maybe its music, maybe its a combination. But they all have one thing in common, vaccination. When I was a kid, I'm 42 now, we just didn't get sick, nor did we misbehave, nor did we have autism and ADD, nor were we vaccinated. I think what people think of as healthy now, would not have been considered healthy 40 years ago. Our standard and expectation of what is healthy has dropped as our general health has declined. Vaccination should not be a luck thing. Like gee, your kid didn't die or get autism??? Lucky!! I hope I'm not sounding harsh, but my son was one of the unlucky ones. Joanna --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Sheri, We were talking of " normal " sicknesses such as otitis ! andre did not have a brain tumor, but a neuroblastoma (a CNS tumor, originating on the adrenal gland); I cannot be sure it was caused by SV40 (but the analysis will give me an answer, I hope). But I hope my daughters will not have major health problems, although they were vaccinated : my point was to stress out that, fortunately, not all vaccinated children have major problems, but this does not mean their parents did not take a huge risk !!! I was willing to stress this because a " standard " answer when you talk about vaccine dangers is " maybe, but my children are very healthy, and vaccinated " , and you see that people believe that it's just another new idea, that will pass. And they just forget everything you have said the minute after ! ===== Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5), Karine(6) and andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us on June 14th, 2001 andre sent us two new babies due next Spring .... e-mail : cecilecogez@... andre's story : http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2002 Report Share Posted February 24, 2002 Dear Joanna, I believe also that my andre was one of the unlucky, and the reason why I am trying to talk about vaccines to as many people as possible is that I have been with him during his 16 monthes of cancer treatment, and I have had to hold his so cold body, forever cold, and I would want to prevent other mothers to have to live through this and survive their liitle children ! I am not saying to people that they have to believe in their own luck ! I am just saying that having no problem with one vaccinated child does not mean 1) there won't be in the future and 2) that you have not just been very lucky and could not be the next time ! My point was trying to be as matter of fact as possible, because we need to be in control to be able to be convincing. If you say every vaccinated child has problems, people will not believe you ; all the children I know are vaccinated, and they do not have major health problems or retardation. But some might have, and the price is too high when there is nothing to expect in terms of positive results from the vaccines ! Do you understand me ? I am sorry my words were so misunderstood ... ===== Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5), Karine(6) and andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us on June 14th, 2001 andre sent us two new babies due next Spring .... e-mail : cecilecogez@... andre's story : http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Lots of discussion on this topic at the mycoplasma group here at and also at: http://forums.about.com/CFS_FM_Research/start penny > I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Garth Nicolson has a whole > bunch of papers available at his website, www.immed.org, on his protocol for > long-term antibiotics. Some people on this list have followed his protocol, > and some have followed a slightly different protocol by, I believe, a Dr. > Jadin. Over the years, there have been positive and negative stories with > long-term antibiotics on this list. You should be able to search the > archives and find quite a bit of information. > > Peggy > > ********************************* > web page: www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, blue74730@... writes: > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to take also. It is > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my doctor would go > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill Ciguatera toxins? > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it kills Ciguatera > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics kill Ciguatera? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 Peggy, I think part of what turns people off to long term antibiotics is we have heard too many stories of folks being treated for lyme who go long term to get rid of it and everything's great until they come off and then boom the lyme comes right back in full furry. I am not sure this happens with mycoplasma though. Does anyone here know if this is as common with mycoplasma as it is with lyme--that is for it to come right back after using antibiotics? I'd be interested to know. In @y..., Peggomatic@a... wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this yet, but Garth Nicolson has a whole > bunch of papers available at his website, www.immed.org, on his protocol for > long-term antibiotics. Some people on this list have followed his protocol, > and some have followed a slightly different protocol by, I believe, a Dr. > Jadin. Over the years, there have been positive and negative stories with > long-term antibiotics on this list. You should be able to search the > archives and find quite a bit of information. > > Peggy > > ********************************* > web page: www.angelfire.com/ri/strickenbk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2002 Report Share Posted November 23, 2002 , I think that may vary for the subtype of mycoplasma that one has and the length of time one has been ill. There are some on the mycoplasma list whose symptoms return when they stop the abx, so they stay on them, there are some who take a maintenance dose maybe a few days a week at a low dosage, and there are a few who have gotten their lives back. I've not been on the list long enough to know about returnees - kind of like this or any other list - people get well and get on with their lives, and you don't hear how they are doing. One couple who was on abx for I think 14 months were doing great, and now are having symptoms again. They're going to be retested. I don't know how long they were symptomless. Donna in NC Re: Antibiotics > Peggy, I think part of what turns people off to long term antibiotics is we have heard too many stories of folks being treated for lyme who go long term to get rid of it and everything's great until they come off and then boom the lyme comes right back in full furry. I am not sure this happens with mycoplasma though. Does anyone here know if this is as common with mycoplasma as it is with lyme--that is for it to come right back after using antibiotics? I'd be interested to know. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Bob, and the group, Concerning antibiotics and ciguatera, I'm still a little in the dark about this. As I understand it from the reports published lately, an experimenter in Hawaii has found elevated levels of ciguatera toxin in PWCs from various parts of the U.S. The question in my mind is " Is this toxin being generated endogenously, i.e. in the bodies of these PWCs, by microorganisms in their guts, for example, or did this toxin come from fish they have eaten, and has it then built up because their detox systems are not functioning properly, as for example because of glutathione depletion? " I don't know the answer to this yet. If it's the former, then perhaps some type of antibiotic would work, because this toxin is produced by a dinoflagellate, which is sort of like an amoeba that has a couple of tails (flagella). This dinoflagellate normally lives in seawater and is consumed by small fish, which are then eaten by larger fish, etc., thus concentrating the toxin. Whether this dinoflagellate could live in the human body, I don't know. If it's the latter, then I don't think antibiotics would help, because the only thing present would be the toxin, not something with a living cell that could be slowed down or killed, which is what antibiotics do. In this case, I think that some type of detox measures would be more likely to work, such as cholestyramine or activated charcoal, or something like that. If there is somebody in this group who is on Dr. Ritchie Shoemaker's list, I think this would be a good question to address to him. I'd like to know what he says about it, since he has done a lot of work on Pfiesteria, which is sort of related. Rich > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to take also. It is > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my doctor would go > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill Ciguatera toxins? > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it kills Ciguatera > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics kill Ciguatera? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Rich There's been a fresh posting to follow up queries on this on CoCure. " Those patients in the study were from different parts of the United States. Some were from the Incline Village Outbreak while others were in the Lyndonville, NY outbreak. There were both acute onset and gradual onset patients tested, all ages, and of varying lengths of illness duration. Every sample sent for this study was found to be positive on a variety of laboratory tests. The poison is thought to be part of an ongoing disease process that is being manufactured in the body. Titers were found to be higher in patients with CFS than those with hepatitis. " This has interesting connotations from the way I am looking at how my CFS/ME is caused. As you remember, I have been looking at the role of l-form cocci as the cause of my problems. These cocci give off various levels of potent neurotoxins into our systems and cause all sort of symptoms of which we can see that our illness can be in fact nuerotoxin based in origin for a subset of total PWC's. If I knew organic chemistry well enough I could try and see how close the structres of the ciguatoxin and the various cocci toxins are. Maybe other bacterial toxins are combining to produce ciguatoxin or something that has ciguatoxin as a subset. > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to take > also. It is > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my doctor > would go > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > Ciguatera toxins? > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it kills > Ciguatera > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics kill > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Dave, Thanks for the message. I actually had read the Co-cure post that you quoted, but I still don't know the answer to my question. If they are basing their thought that there is an ongoing production of ciguatoxin in the bodies of the PWCs on the observation that the levels were higher in them than in the hepatitis patients, I'm not sure that this is convincing. The PWCs may have less efficient detox systems than the hepatitis patients, and this could acount for the buildup of the toxin. In the reading I have been able to do on ciguatera, there is no mention of the dinoflagellates (which are the only microbes that have been reported to produce ciguatoxins) living inside other animals. They apparently have been found to live only in the tropical seas on coral reefs. Apparently ciguatoxins have been found in over 400 species of fish, but principally in the larger predatory reef fish. Apparently the toxins don't hurt the fish, but they do become more oxidized in the bodies of the fish, which apparently makes them more toxic to humans. I guess that unless I hear some evidence to the contrary, I'm tending toward the view that the ciguatoxins got into the PWCs from fish that they ate. Perhaps they built up because of inefficient detox systems. I haven't been able to find out what the detox mechanism is for ciguatoxins or in particular whether it involves the phase 2 glutathione conjugation pathway, but if that turns out to be the case, then I think all of this would tie together with the glutathione depletion found in many PWCs, and which is known to affect the detox of several other toxins, including the heavy metals, many organic solvents, formaldehyde and the organophosphate pesticides. Rich > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to take > > also. It is > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my doctor > > would go > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it kills > > Ciguatera > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics kill > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Rich I also had thought about that we may be building up the toxin worse that healthy people, due to detox problems. Here's a poser..........since we are recommended to take fish oils, are we getting ciguatoxin build up from the fish oil capsules? The testing that is available is down to a certain level, below that level it comes back negative. So with our invrease levels of fish oils, we could be building up from them. Still not convinced about bacterial l-forms and cocci? I have a couple of contacts who have all but cured themselves with abx from pretty bad levels of CFS + FM, and they rate themselves at 95%. Dave > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to > take > > > also. It is > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > doctor > > > would go > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it > kills > > > Ciguatera > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics > kill > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Dave, Wow! I think that's a very perceptive thought! I hadn't thought of that! It's true that ciguatoxins are fat soluble, so one should expect that they could be found in fish oils! And a lot of PWCs do take fish oils to get the omega-3 fatty acids. We've worried about mercury in fish oils, but maybe ciguatoxins are another thing we should be thinking about. And you're right, the ciguatoxins are cumulative because they aren't detoxed very rapidly from the body, so even very small levels in fish oils could be important. Concerning l-forms and cocci, yes, I believe that they may well be important in some PWCs. It's just that I have a one-track mind, Dave, and right now I'm trying to understand what's going on with the ciguatera! (LOL!) I guess I doubt whether there is a connection between l-form cocci and ciguatera, because the ciguatoxins appear to be very complex and specific toxins. As far as I know, the dinoflagellates, which are protists (and thus eukaryotes) are not closely related to the cocci, which are bacteria (and thus are prokaryotes. This puts them pretty far apart on the taxonomy of living creatures. It therefore doesn't seem likely to me that they would be producing similar, very complex toxins. But then, I am not a microbiologist, a toxicologist, or even an organic chemist, so I could be wrong. I do think you may be onto something with your suggestion about the fish oils. Rich > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to > > take > > > > also. It is > > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > > doctor > > > > would go > > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it > > kills > > > > Ciguatera > > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics > > kill > > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 According to Udo Erasmus High epa oil is capable of killing Staph. and even malaria. Regards Dave x Re: Antibiotics Dave, Wow! I think that's a very perceptive thought! I hadn't thought of that! It's true that ciguatoxins are fat soluble, so one should expect that they could be found in fish oils! And a lot of PWCs do take fish oils to get the omega-3 fatty acids. We've worried about mercury in fish oils, but maybe ciguatoxins are another thing we should be thinking about. And you're right, the ciguatoxins are cumulative because they aren't detoxed very rapidly from the body, so even very small levels in fish oils could be important. Concerning l-forms and cocci, yes, I believe that they may well be important in some PWCs. It's just that I have a one-track mind, Dave, and right now I'm trying to understand what's going on with the ciguatera! (LOL!) I guess I doubt whether there is a connection between l-form cocci and ciguatera, because the ciguatoxins appear to be very complex and specific toxins. As far as I know, the dinoflagellates, which are protists (and thus eukaryotes) are not closely related to the cocci, which are bacteria (and thus are prokaryotes. This puts them pretty far apart on the taxonomy of living creatures. It therefore doesn't seem likely to me that they would be producing similar, very complex toxins. But then, I am not a microbiologist, a toxicologist, or even an organic chemist, so I could be wrong. I do think you may be onto something with your suggestion about the fish oils. Rich > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard Time, > > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins to > > take > > > > also. It is > > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > > doctor > > > > would go > > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe it > > kills > > > > Ciguatera > > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does antiobiotics > > kill > > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2002 Report Share Posted November 24, 2002 Hi Dave x I'd like to see the data supporting this idea, so if you have any links on this, I'd be grateful. interesting proposition, but I just can't see how it can work at this point without reading some more on it Cheers Dave > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins > to > > > take > > > > > also. It is > > > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > > > doctor > > > > > would go > > > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe > it > > > kills > > > > > Ciguatera > > > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does > antiobiotics > > > kill > > > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 25, 2002 Report Share Posted November 25, 2002 Hi Dave I will look for his references. In the meantime I will hazard a guess. The EFAs sit in the cell between the inner and outer membrane. one of their functions is to attract Oxygen, as a magnet would attract Iron fillings. The Oxygen forms a barrier to bacteria,fungi and viruses because they cannot live in an Oxygenated environment. This also applies to the apparatus within the cell Golgi, Mitochondrial membranes etc. I am quoting from memory because I can't put my hand on his book at the moment. I am not trying to teach my grandmother how to suck eggs here, but I am convinced that the imbalance in EFAs is a good starting point for CFS in some people. Regards Dave x Re: Antibiotics Hi Dave x I'd like to see the data supporting this idea, so if you have any links on this, I'd be grateful. interesting proposition, but I just can't see how it can work at this point without reading some more on it Cheers Dave > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins > to > > > take > > > > > also. It is > > > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > > > doctor > > > > > would go > > > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe > it > > > kills > > > > > Ciguatera > > > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does > antiobiotics > > > kill > > > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2002 Report Share Posted November 28, 2002 Hi Dave I have asked for references from Udo Erasmus re: EFAs killing Staph. In the meantime here is his website. http://www.udoerasmus.com/firstscreen.html Regards Dave x Re: Antibiotics Hi Dave x I'd like to see the data supporting this idea, so if you have any links on this, I'd be grateful. interesting proposition, but I just can't see how it can work at this point without reading some more on it Cheers Dave > > > > > > In a message dated 11/23/02 8:28:16 PM Pacific Standard > Time, > > > > > > blue74730@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > addresses the effect on the gut flora and what vitamins > to > > > take > > > > > also. It is > > > > > > > about a 9-10 hour drive for me to Mexico as I doubt my > > > doctor > > > > > would go > > > > > > > along with this treatment. I wonder if Antibiotics kill > > > > > Ciguatera toxins? > > > > > > > Maybe that is also why Doxycycline is successful, maybe > it > > > kills > > > > > Ciguatera > > > > > > > toxins? Rich what do you think about that? Bob > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob, did you ever get an answer for this...does > antiobiotics > > > kill > > > > > Ciguatera? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2003 Report Share Posted February 26, 2003 Question for anyone in the know...What is recommended for antibiotic treatment protocol for CFS / MCSers who " ER " anaphalactoid on all antibiotics? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 Dear TIA, I met a young woman at a hyperbaric center who was allergic to antibiotics, which was why she was getting the HBOT. Last time I checked on her, she had clearly improved from the HBOT. Time to check again. Sue B. >Question for anyone in the know...What is recommended for antibiotic >treatment protocol for CFS / MCSers who " ER " anaphalactoid on all >antibiotics? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2003 Report Share Posted February 27, 2003 > Question for anyone in the know...What is recommended for antibiotic > treatment protocol for CFS / MCSers who " ER " anaphalactoid on all > antibiotics? TIA Wow, that is too bad. I would suggest that you send your list of exactly what you have taken and reacted to first to this list. You may have noticed that Ken Lassesen recently listed the families of antibiotics which can be used. Often if you go to a completely different family you can take it. Another point is that IV or injection can actually be safer. If I were you I would certainly be in a hospital and try an injection BEFORE trying anything oral. Do you test positive for something that you know needs to be treated with an antibiotic? I am sorry you are in this spot. a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 In a message dated 11/22/03 6:57:10 AM, " Cathrine " <book_snail@...> > Does anyone have any info on anti biotics cancelling the effect of > lex ? > There should be no interaction at all between the two. SSRIs work on receptors in the brain; antibiotics kill bacteria. The only possible interaction would be in the liver, where some antibiotics are heavily metabolized... You might cross-reference your specific antibiotic against Lexapro to check for interactions... but as for cancelling the effects of antibotics, highly doubtful. Hope you feel better... in Houston Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 Thanks ) ! Actually I was wondering if the anti biotics had cancelled out lex because I was a mess during the 10 days I was on the anti biotics and now I feel much better. I was on a high dosage of anti biotics and I do have a liver condition so maybe. Anyway am just glad to be feeling better and will be very careful the next time I have to take other meds. > In a message dated 11/22/03 6:57:10 AM, " Cathrine " <book_snail@y...> > > Does anyone have any info on anti biotics cancelling the effect of > > lex ? > > > There should be no interaction at all between the two. SSRIs work on > receptors in the brain; antibiotics kill bacteria. The only possible interaction would > be in the liver, where some antibiotics are heavily metabolized... You might > cross-reference your specific antibiotic against Lexapro to check for > interactions... but as for cancelling the effects of antibotics, highly doubtful. > > Hope you feel better... > in Houston > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2003 Report Share Posted November 22, 2003 I know my mom feels just awful on antibiotics, especially high doses, she has Lyme Disease. The antibiotics kill the *good* bacteria too if I'm not mistaken... Crystal Thanks ) ! Actually I was wondering if the anti biotics had cancelled out lex because I was a mess during the 10 days I was on the anti biotics and now I feel much better. I was on a high dosage of anti biotics and I do have a liver condition so maybe. Anyway am just glad to be feeling better and will be very careful the next time I have to take other meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2003 Report Share Posted November 23, 2003 You're Welcome . Thanks for your reply Crystal. I may just be an odd person. Haven't decided wha I am going to do next. take care M Crystal <cmccracken@...> wrote:I know my mom feels just awful on antibiotics, especially high doses, she has Lyme Disease. The antibiotics kill the *good* bacteria too if I'm not mistaken... Crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2003 Report Share Posted November 24, 2003 > Thanks ) ! Actually I was wondering if the anti biotics had > cancelled out lex because I was a mess during the 10 days I was on > the anti biotics and now I feel much better. I was on a high dosage > of anti biotics and I do have a liver condition so maybe. Anyway am > just glad to be feeling better and will be very careful the next time > I have to take other meds. > >> I've taken antibiotics twice so far while on Lex with no problems. I think any nasty side-effects that you can get while taking both together are really due to the antibiotic itself, independant of the lexapro. I usually make sure I take Acidophilus while on an antibiotic cycle, as it replenishes the 'good' bacteria that the antibiotic kills without interfering with the antibiotic's beneficial actions. It's also ok to take acidophilus if you are taking an antibiotic WITH lexapro. The acidophilus prevents a host of antibiotic-related SE's - thrush, diarrhea, constipation, metallic taste in the mouth, etc. I recommend 'Super Acidophilus' by TwinLab, as it is very high quality and you only need to take 1 a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2004 Report Share Posted November 29, 2004 Bannister <beckyb256@...> wrote: Here's a question (or 3) for everyone! When do you decide you need to take antibiotics? Do you try to fight a sinus infection for a few days /weeks and see if it'll go of its own accord? Or decide to take them soon after a flare-up cos you know you can't do without them or because your thinking is "the sooner I tackle it, the sooner it'll go away?" Obviously it's not good to take them all the time - the doctors certainly don't like it! I'm just wondering cos most the time I have a very low grade infection - not too annoying, so I carry on as normal. Then I get a cold and all hell breaks loose so I go for the antibiotics to help me fight the obvious bacterial infection. Sometimes they work, sometimes they don't. I would welcome other peoples comments on this subject. Does anyone have a failsafe protocol for taking them?! PS I agree with Ken on the prednisone - it really helps me feel human again - have just started a burst yesterday, so am hoping to feel ok by X-mas! Becky Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with to make your dream a reality. ALL-NEW Messenger - all new features - even more fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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