Antibiotics

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/4/00 1:18:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, linda904@...

writes:

<< Has anyone on antibiotics used the zapper or the magnetic pulser? >>

When you refer to a zapper, do you mean the blood purifier? I think a lot

people are getting confused with zappers and the Beck blood purifier. You

can take anything you want with a type zapper but you have to be

careful with the Beck pulser. In the instructions that I received, it says

that you can take herbs, etc. after pulsing but that wouldn't apply to

antibiotics which need to be taken on a schedule. You should be fine with

the magnetic pulser.

Joe

[Guest guest]

Yes, Joe I am confused. I thought that the blood purifier was to cleanse

the near-surface blood and the magnetic pulser was to clean the deeper

lymph nodes. Do you know of anyone with an auto-immune disease who

has used these devices? Do you sell these devices?

Thanks,

On Sat, 5 Aug 2000 13:14:17 EDT NYlabs@... writes:

>When you refer to a zapper, do you mean the blood purifier? I think a

>lot

>people are getting confused with zappers and the Beck blood purifier.

>You

>can take anything you want with a type zapper but you have to be

>

>careful with the Beck pulser. In the instructions that I received, it

>says

>that you can take herbs, etc. after pulsing but that wouldn't apply to

>

>antibiotics which need to be taken on a schedule. You should be fine

>with

>the magnetic pulser.

>

>Joe

>

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 8/6/00 3:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, linda904@...

writes:

<>

Yes, that's what I think also.

<< Do you know of anyone with an auto-immune disease who

has used these devices? >>

Here is the information I have from various web sites regarding the pulser:

They discovered that passing very small amounts of electricity directly

through the blood neutralizes the activity of viruses, bacteria, fungi and

parasites in the blood. Their US Patent #5,188,738, column 1 line 8 reads,

" ...to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body fluids

at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is sufficient to render

the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective to infect or affect

normally healthy cells while maintaining the biological usefulness of the

blood or other fluids... "

Electrification is now being successfully used underground around the world.

One Eastern MD claims numerous documented cancer cures by using only blood

electrification and no surgery, radiation, drugs or chemotherapy. Many were

considered terminal. We're even seeing clean blood tests of now healthy

patients with previously long-standing Lupus. We have in our posession many

IRB’s showing complete HIV remissions, sero-conversions, and negative PCR

tests.

The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly

effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when

correctly applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms

of hands, soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens,

fungi, parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign

lifeforms and alien invaders and their byproducts. This should never be

confused with Royal Rife or Hulda technology. Effective results are

found to require a minimum of 27 Volts under load with low impedance output

which must deliver up to several milliamperes measurable current into skin to

produce the required 50 to 100 microamperes internally through blood after

the inevitable series resistance losses through vessel walls plus several

layers of tissue. Electrical currents in blood can be measured with an ac

microamp meter by IR drop using partially insulated hypodermic needles

inserted ~6 inches apart into the same artery. ’s " syncro zap " running

at her standard 30 khz (considered many octaves too high to be effective)

actually measures only ~2.6V peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms.

This is an order of magnitude too low to have any real effect beyond placebo.

<<Do you sell these devices?>>

No I don't sell them but I have a zapper from Don Croft and a Sota unit. I

can give you more links if you need them.

Joe

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/8/00 8:15:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rrochon@...

writes:

<< If s or Becks units won't do the job, >>

What makes you say that or Becks won't do the job?

Joe

[Guest guest]

If s or Becks units won't do the job, where would a person buy a zapper

with the required voltage and amperage to acomplish the desired destruction

of pathogens, or where would you find plans to build one? Thanks, Dick

- Re: antibiotics

In a message dated 8/6/00 3:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

linda904@...

writes:

<>

Yes, that's what I think also.

<< Do you know of anyone with an auto-immune disease who

has used these devices? >>

Here is the information I have from various web sites regarding the pulser:

They discovered that passing very small amounts of electricity directly

through the blood neutralizes the activity of viruses, bacteria, fungi and

parasites in the blood. Their US Patent #5,188,738, column 1 line 8 reads,

" ...to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body fluids

at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is sufficient to render

the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective to infect or affect

normally healthy cells while maintaining the biological usefulness of the

blood or other fluids... "

Electrification is now being successfully used underground around the world.

One Eastern MD claims numerous documented cancer cures by using only blood

electrification and no surgery, radiation, drugs or chemotherapy. Many were

considered terminal. We're even seeing clean blood tests of now healthy

patients with previously long-standing Lupus. We have in our posession many

IRB’s showing complete HIV remissions, sero-conversions, and negative PCR

tests.

The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly

effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when

correctly applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms

of hands, soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens,

fungi, parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign

lifeforms and alien invaders and their byproducts. This should never be

confused with Royal Rife or Hulda technology. Effective results are

found to require a minimum of 27 Volts under load with low impedance output

which must deliver up to several milliamperes measurable current into skin

to

produce the required 50 to 100 microamperes internally through blood after

the inevitable series resistance losses through vessel walls plus several

layers of tissue. Electrical currents in blood can be measured with an ac

microamp meter by IR drop using partially insulated hypodermic needles

inserted ~6 inches apart into the same artery. ’s " syncro zap "

running

at her standard 30 khz (considered many octaves too high to be effective)

actually measures only ~2.6V peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms.

This is an order of magnitude too low to have any real effect beyond

placebo.

<<Do you sell these devices?>>

No I don't sell them but I have a zapper from Don Croft and a Sota unit. I

can give you more links if you need them.

Joe

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[Guest guest]

Hi

the unit will not do the job of blood electrification as the applied

voltage is too

low..it was designed as a 30 kc square wave generator to kill pasasites such

as the

human fluke and is said to do a good job there.

If you need blood electrification the beck unit should do the job as most

people find

the comfort level at less than 50 % of the output level ...depending on the

waveshape

used..You can find the schematic for the 4 hz square wave Beck electrifier

at

http://www.rarebooks.net/beck/b7.htm

Re: antibiotics

In a message dated 8/6/00 3:00:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

linda904@...

writes:

<>

Yes, that's what I think also.

<< Do you know of anyone with an auto-immune disease who

has used these devices? >>

Here is the information I have from various web sites regarding the pulser:

They discovered that passing very small amounts of electricity directly

through the blood neutralizes the activity of viruses, bacteria, fungi and

parasites in the blood. Their US Patent #5,188,738, column 1 line 8 reads,

" ...to provide electric current flow through the blood or other body fluids

at a magnitude that is biologically compatible but is sufficient to render

the bacteria, virus, parasites and/or fungus ineffective to infect or affect

normally healthy cells while maintaining the biological usefulness of the

blood or other fluids... "

Electrification is now being successfully used underground around the world.

One Eastern MD claims numerous documented cancer cures by using only blood

electrification and no surgery, radiation, drugs or chemotherapy. Many were

considered terminal. We're even seeing clean blood tests of now healthy

patients with previously long-standing Lupus. We have in our posession many

IRB’s showing complete HIV remissions, sero-conversions, and negative PCR

tests.

The most reasonable theory of why electrification is so surprisingly

effective for so many conditions lies in the now-proven fact that when

correctly applied directly into blood (not into other body tissue like palms

of hands, soles of feet, or organs) it neutralizes all microbes, pathogens,

fungi, parasites, viruses, bacteria, mycotoxins and coexisting foreign

lifeforms and alien invaders and their byproducts. This should never be

confused with Royal Rife or Hulda technology. Effective results are

found to require a minimum of 27 Volts under load with low impedance output

which must deliver up to several milliamperes measurable current into skin

to

produce the required 50 to 100 microamperes internally through blood after

the inevitable series resistance losses through vessel walls plus several

layers of tissue. Electrical currents in blood can be measured with an ac

microamp meter by IR drop using partially insulated hypodermic needles

inserted ~6 inches apart into the same artery. ’s " syncro zap "

running

at her standard 30 khz (considered many octaves too high to be effective)

actually measures only ~2.6V peak to peak under load (~2000 ohms) at palms.

This is an order of magnitude too low to have any real effect beyond

placebo.

<<Do you sell these devices?>>

No I don't sell them but I have a zapper from Don Croft and a Sota unit. I

can give you more links if you need them.

Joe

..............................................................

voted #1 search engine! http://www.iwon.com why wouldn't you?

..............................................................

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/20/00 2:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

duncancrow@... writes:

<< The treatment

included drinking silver colloid (home made), pulsed EM therapy

(SOTA) and AC current using a low-voltage adapter with silver

electrodes, applied several times per day, moving them around on each

side of the infected portion of the leg. >>

Hi Duncan,

You say the treatment was EM therapy and AC current using silver electrodes -

were the electrodes applied to the bone or on the skin? It sounds like this

Becker excerpt:

.......As to the infection, for several years we had been looking for a way to

stop

growth. My experiments with Bassett on dogs back in 1964 suggested that just

as we could turn growth on with negative electricity, so we could turn it

off with positive current. If true, this obviously could be of great

importance in cancer treatment. Because ours was always a needy program,

trying to do more than we had grants for, we couldn't afford the expensive

equipment needed to test the idea on cancer cells. We had to settle for

bacteria.

In preliminary tests we found that silver electrodes, when made electrically

positive, would kill all types of bacteria in a zone about a half inch in

diameter, apparently because of positive silver ions driven into the culture

by the applied voltage. This was an exciting discovery, because no single

antibiotic worked against all types of bacteria. I thought that if I

inserted the silver wire into Jim's nonunion and the area became infected, I

could as a last resort make the electrode positive and perhaps save the leg

a while longer. Of course, the positive current could well delay healing

further or actually destroy more bone.

I explained all this to Jim and said that, if he wished, I would do it. I

wanted him to know the procedure was untested and potentially dangerous.

With tears in his eyes, he begged, " Please try, Dr. Becker. I want my leg. "

Two days later, Sal and I operated through a hole in the cast. The fracture

was completely loose, with not one sign of healing. We removed a little scar

tissue from the bone and implanted the electrode. The part in between the

bone ends was bare wire; the rest, running through the muscles and out of

the skin, was insulated so as to deliver the minuscule negative current only

to the bone.

The infection didn't spread, and Jim's spirits improved. As I made my daily

rounds three weeks later, he said, " I'm sure it's healing. I just know it! "

I was still nervous when, six weeks after surgery, it was time to pull out

the electrode, remove the cast, and get an X ray. I needn't have worried.

Not only did the X ray show a lot of new bone, but when I examined the leg

myself, I could no longer move the fracture! We put

166 The Body Electric

Jim in a walking cast, and lie left the hospital for the first time in

sixteen months. In another six weeks the fracture had healed enough for us

to remove the cast, and Jim started rehabilitation for his knee, which had

stiffened from disuse.

All the pin tracts, especially the ones nearest the break, were still

draining, and Jim asked, " Why not use the silver wire on this hole to kill

the infection? Then I'll be all done and won't have to worry anymore about

infecting the rest of the bone. " I had to agree with his logic. If the hole

through the muscle to the outside healed shut, the infection would be more

likely to spread within the bone. However, I told him that the positive

current might prevent the hole from filling in with bone, making a permanent

weak spot there.

We put in the electrode and used the same current as before, except

reversing its polarity (i.e. positive). I had no idea how long to let it

run, so I arbitrarily pulled it out after one week. Nothing much seemed to

have happened. The drainage might have been a little less, though not

much;but I was afraid to use the positive current anymore for fear of

further weakening the bone.

Jim left the hospital and didn't keep his next appointment in the clinic. A

year later he returned unannounced saying he was just traveling through

Syracuse and thought I would like to see how he was doing. He was walking

normally, with no pain, placing full weight on the right leg. He said the

drainage had stopped a week after he left the hospital and had never

recurred. X rays showed the fracture solidly healed and the one pin tract

I'd treated filling in with new bone. The pin site on the other leg was

still infected, and I said we could treat that in a few days, since we'd

improved our technique in the meantime. " No, I have to be moving on, " Jim

replied. " I don't have a job. I don't know what I'm going to do, but I know

I don't want to spend any more time in hospitals. "

Sal had been graduated from the residency program a few months after Jim was

discharged in 1973, but before he left he spent all his free time in the lab

helping us test the bactericidal (bacteria-killing) electrodes. A few

previous reports had mentioned inconsistent antibacterial effects, some with

alternating current, some with negative DC using stainless steel, but there

had been no systematic study of the subject. We tried silver, platinum,

gold, stainless steel, and copper electrodes, using a wide range of

currents, on four disparate kinds of bacteria, including Staphylococcus

aureus, one of the commonest and most troublesome.

Soon we were able to explain the earlier inconsistencies: All five met-

The Silver Wand 167

als stopped growth of all the bacteria at both poles, as long as we used

high currents. Unfortunately, high currents also produced toxic

effects-chemical changes in the medium, gas formation, and corrosion with

all but the silver electrodes. Apparently such currents through most metals

" worked " by poisoning both bacteria and nearby tissues.

Our preliminary observations turned out to be right. Silver at the positive

pole killed or deactivated every type of bacteria without side effects, even

with very low currents. We also tried the silver wires on bacteria grown in

cultures of mouse connective tissue and bone marrow, and the ions wiped out

the bacteria without affecting the living mouse cells. We were certain it

was the silver ions that did the job, rather than the current, when we found

that the silver-impregnated culture medium killed new bacteria placed in it

even after the current was switched off. The only other metal that had any

effect was gold; it worked against Staphylococcus, but not nearly as well as

silver.

Of course, the germ-killing action of silver had been known for some time.

At the turn of the century, silver foil was considered the best

infection-preventive dressing for wounds. Writing in 1913, the eminent

surgeon Halsted referred to the centuries-old practice of

putting silver wire in wounds, then said of the foil: " I know of nothing

which could quite take its place, nor have I known any one to abandon it who

had thoroughly familiarized himself with the technique of its employment. "

With the advent of better infection-fighting drugs, silver fell out of

favor, because its ions bind avidly to proteins and thus don't penetrate

tissue beyond the very surface. A few silver compounds still have

specialized uses in some eye, nose, and throat infections, and the Soviets

use silver ions to sterilize recycled water aboard their space stations, but

for the most part medicine has abandoned the metal. Electrified silver

offers several advantages over previous forms, however. There are no other

ions besides silver to burden the tissues. The current " injects " or drives

the silver ions further than simple diffusion can. Moreover, it's especially

well suited for use against several kinds of bacteria simultaneously. It

kills even antibiotic-resistant strains, and also works on fungus

infections.

[Guest guest]

I have just found the egroup - I have read Dr. Becker's Books and

have employed similar techniques to those specified by Dr. Beck in

the treatment of a deep bone (super-bug) infection passed to my dad's

knee during surgery in a BC hospital. The treatment

included drinking silver colloid (home made), pulsed EM therapy

(SOTA) and AC current using a low-voltage adapter with silver

electrodes, applied several times per day, moving them around on each

side of the infected portion of the leg.

All this was started after my dad had the infection for 14 months,

the last 8 months of which he went to the hospital 2x per day for a

high-potency I.V. antibiotic drip. He stopped that treatment

completely and started bioelectric when the doctors started talking

about amputation of the leg above the knee, which was black in

patches from instep to thigh. The bioelectric therapy worked fine!!

18 months later he is still well.

About the electrodes for the zapper, and copper tarnish with

use...I'd recommend using 9999 silver instead of copper, as it is a

better antibiotic and relatively non-toxic.

ciao

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Wow - you're really up on this...I just located this group today, and

it IS what the world needs to know..

To answer the question, I had been using silver colloid for two years

or so, and had already looked up Beck's devices on the web. That is

why I suggested the Pulser, and yes, I had The Body Electric by Dr.

Becker MD on the go at the time (HIGHLY recommended reading). It

didn't take a rocket scientist to see that silver electrodes placed

externally could have a similar healing and germ-killing effect as

those placed internally. At least the ionic silver is relatively less

toxic to individual cells than copper would be.

The power supply was probably 'way too high at around 5VAC - 5

milliamps but by moving the electrodes around we hoped we wouldn't

kill too many cells. It doesn't take much power to kill bacteria so

we basically hit it with all we had that might work - silver, power,

and magnetic. A desperate situation called for desperate measures.

My dad's leg in this case was surface-healed at this point; the

infection was only in the bone and marrow and once the screws were

removed to relieve the pressure and allow drainage only one hole was

oozing a little through the skin. I think the Pulser was probably the

most effective on bacteria within the bone but anything outside of

that may have been influenced by the current itself.

[Guest guest]

Someone just asked if a lot of people are taking antibiotics. Speaking for

myself, I took fifteen months of various antibiotics and though I felt

poisoned much of that time, my pain subsided to it's lowest level in years

(I've had FM for nine years) and when I finally stopped taking the abx I felt

the best I had felt in the four years that I had CFS. I was bedbound my

first year and a half with CFS. Neurontin, ultram, amantadine, and a great

multitude of supplements helped get me over the acute phase. Or the disease

just ran it's course for that part of being sick. At any rate, I tested

positive for c. pneumoniae and " inconclusive " on a couple of Lyme tests. My

doc prescribed antibiotics for those bugs. I took doxycycline for over six

months and Zithromax along with the doxy for about six weeks. Also took

cipro for a couple of months and amoxicillin for several more months. I've

been off all abx since mid-April and so far my improvement has been

sustained. Though lately I've had some days of increased FM type pain. I

still can't build up any tolerance for exercise, though the NMH episodes are

fewer and further between. I used to have one or more a day. I still have

that " I've got to lay down " feeling and laying down for twenty minutes to

several hours is the answer to that.

My level of functioning is about 40 percent of normal a couple hours a day,

most days. That is a huge improvement over the past four years, so I am

quite pleased with the improvement. While I was taking the abx I felt

poisoned just about the whole time. It's impossible to know what was going

on with that. I kept thinking it was a herxheimer's reaction but maybe I was

having a toxic reaction. I'm glad that I stuck with it, I consider that I've

had a good outcome from the long term antibiotics.

Barb

[Guest guest]

From someone stuck in hospital with on IV abx (Rocephin) since being

admitted I will second your conclusions: abx are the way to go for many of

us.I was almost forced into it by infectious dis specialist, who is

convinced I have Lyme in spite of neg serologies-I am CERTAIN i have lyme

and possibly other things. I didn't fancy being in hospital but my night

heart stopping episodes had got so bad after 3 weeks off abx that I had no

choice.

Today day 4 and last night I had an almost OK night .

Will try and keep you informed

nelly (I was on various combos of abx then 4 months of Tinidazole +

macrolide and many things improved dramatically but like you I felt toxic,

so i went off abx for nearly a month and crashed bad)

>

[Guest guest]

how long is the treatment plan for antiobitics? I no

alot of people that have lyme do well on them are

syptoms are similiar i think

--- Nelly Pointis <nelly.pointis@...> wrote:

> From someone stuck in hospital with on IV abx

> (Rocephin) since being

> admitted I will second your conclusions: abx are the

> way to go for many of

> us.I was almost forced into it by infectious dis

> specialist, who is

> convinced I have Lyme in spite of neg serologies-I

> am CERTAIN i have lyme

> and possibly other things. I didn't fancy being in

> hospital but my night

> heart stopping episodes had got so bad after 3 weeks

> off abx that I had no

> choice.

> Today day 4 and last night I had an almost OK night

> .

> Will try and keep you informed

> nelly (I was on various combos of abx then 4 months

> of Tinidazole +

> macrolide and many things improved dramatically but

> like you I felt toxic,

> so i went off abx for nearly a month and crashed

> bad)

> >

>

>

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Dear AlleyPat

Many people do not respond well to certain antibiotics, especially

when on therapy, or in many other circumstances. Also, depending on the

length of treatment does have a different result in many people. For any

upper respiratory infection, (URI), or in the ears, sinuses, throat, I

always use at least 10 days of the antibiotic, and sometimes go to 14

days.

As far as the Z-Pack is concerned, I will only use it after the

major URI season, eg: late November to Feb/March, because I have found

it is not effective with all the other illnesses someone may be exposed

to. I frequently see patients placed on the Z-pack, during these

periods, and they are back because their infection is either no better,

or worse. There is several studies by ENT's that state that if a person

is placed on the Z-pack, they should be given a second pack again in 10

days. For the rest of the year, the Z-pack usually works well for most.

For the URIs, or sinuses, etc., if it is chronic, I will rotate

several antibiotics, such as Biaxin, Augmentin, Cipro, Levoquin, Keflex

or Ceftin. That way, people do not develop a resistance as easily to any

one antibiotic, if it works for them. I also usually give something to

help drain the sinuses/ears, or loosen the garbage in the lungs, like

Entex, or similar products. Marty

[Guest guest]

Dear AlleyPat

Many people do not respond well to certain antibiotics, especially

when on therapy, or in many other circumstances. Also, depending on the

length of treatment does have a different result in many people. For any

upper respiratory infection, (URI), or in the ears, sinuses, throat, I

always use at least 10 days of the antibiotic, and sometimes go to 14

days.

As far as the Z-Pack is concerned, I will only use it after the

major URI season, eg: late November to Feb/March, because I have found

it is not effective with all the other illnesses someone may be exposed

to. I frequently see patients placed on the Z-pack, during these

periods, and they are back because their infection is either no better,

or worse. There is several studies by ENT's that state that if a person

is placed on the Z-pack, they should be given a second pack again in 10

days. For the rest of the year, the Z-pack usually works well for most.

For the URIs, or sinuses, etc., if it is chronic, I will rotate

several antibiotics, such as Biaxin, Augmentin, Cipro, Levoquin, Keflex

or Ceftin. That way, people do not develop a resistance as easily to any

one antibiotic, if it works for them. I also usually give something to

help drain the sinuses/ears, or loosen the garbage in the lungs, like

Entex, or similar products. Marty

[Guest guest]

Bloody hell! Things have changed for you obviously. I wish you the

absolute best in this new treatment, keep me/us informed pls. Did you get

really so bad after going off abx for 4 weeks that you were as bad or worse

than ever?

The very best,

n, up and down.

At 05:59 02/10/00, you wrote:

> From someone stuck in hospital with on IV abx (Rocephin) since being

>admitted I will second your conclusions: abx are the way to go for many of

>us.I was almost forced into it by infectious dis specialist, who is

>convinced I have Lyme in spite of neg serologies-I am CERTAIN i have lyme

>and possibly other things. I didn't fancy being in hospital but my night

>heart stopping episodes had got so bad after 3 weeks off abx that I had no

>choice.

>Today day 4 and last night I had an almost OK night .

>Will try and keep you informed

>nelly (I was on various combos of abx then 4 months of Tinidazole +

>macrolide and many things improved dramatically but like you I felt toxic,

>so i went off abx for nearly a month and crashed bad)

> >

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

n

Tel/Fax +61-2-6239 6226

Canberra, Australia

[Guest guest]

Marty.. you are such a smart guy! And to think I had to figure all that out

myself lol

Yep Entex and I are long time friends lol. However lately, maybe because of

treatment, Entex and even Sudafed, give my bladder problems.

alley/

ICQ 12631861

alleypat@...

http://www.flash.net/~alleypat

[Guest guest]

,

I have been posting SO MUCH about Lyme on this list, I thought everyone was

fed up with it! I STRONGLY encourage you to a)read my past mails and/or

check the Lyme sites and Lyme ngs and lists.

Nelly (ex CFIDS now Lyme, like so many others)

antibiotics

> has anyone been tested for lyme im hearing alot of people from the

> lyme groups that where misdiagnosed with cfs and then found out they

> had lyme. my phychatrist thinks i have lyme and put me on

> antibiotics im so desperate that i said ill try it any info

> appreciated michelle

>

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Nelly,

What new discoveries or reports have you heard from the April Lyme

Conference pt on by the Lyme Foundation?

Al

Re: antibiotics

> ,

> I have been posting SO MUCH about Lyme on this list, I thought everyone

was

> fed up with it! I STRONGLY encourage you to a)read my past mails and/or

> check the Lyme sites and Lyme ngs and lists.

> Nelly (ex CFIDS now Lyme, like so many others)

>

[Guest guest]

,

I have Lyme. Three cheers for your shrink! I have long term lyme 20+ years

plus fibro and cfs that I believe are from lyme. Yell if I can help.

tansy

Tansy

***********************

The name Tansy is probably derived from the Greek Athanaton (immortal), either,

says Dodoens, because it lasts so long

in flower or, as Ambrosius thought, because it is capital for preserving dead

bodies from corruption. It was said to have

been given to Ganymede to make him immortal.

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hi tansy nice to hear from you. my test came out neg.

are you better how is this treated? thanks love

michelle

--- Tansy <Tansy@...> wrote:

> ,

> I have Lyme. Three cheers for your shrink! I have

> long term lyme 20+ years

> plus fibro and cfs that I believe are from lyme.

> Yell if I can help.

> tansy

>

> Tansy

>

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> The name Tansy is probably derived from the Greek

> Athanaton (immortal), either, says Dodoens, because

> it lasts so long

> in flower or, as Ambrosius thought, because it is

> capital for preserving dead bodies from corruption.

> It was said to have

> been given to Ganymede to make him immortal.

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Tansy <Tansy@...> wrote:

,

I have Lyme. Three cheers for your shrink! I have long term lyme 20+ years

plus fibro and cfs that I believe are from lyme. Yell if I can help.

tansy

Tansy

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hi where are you from? how can i find a doc i ct. im not even sure i have this

my test cane out neg. can this be treated? what othere tests should we have

ruled out if they sat we have cfs?

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Judy - I took doxy for four months last year, 200

mg/day. During that period I also had my appendix

removed. I used to run a fever every day and since

the appendectomy have not had fever one day. I'm not

sure if it was the antibiotics or the operation that

helped, but I do think the doxy cured my lyme. I took

it for four months, 200 mg per day, in two doses, 100

mg with breakfast, 100mg with dinner.

FWIW - Jennie

> > From: judy <baumelj@...>

> > <cfs_mycoplasma >

> > Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 7:53 PM

> > Subject: Re: [cfs_mycoplasma] cfs symptom

resolution

> >

> >

> > > I have a few general questions as I want to go

to

> > my internist next week

> > > armed with information about treatment.

> > > 1) Do any of you know of anyone who got better

> > from antibiotics and could

> > > stop them? Or are they on antibiotics forever?

> > > 2) If you are taking 200 mg. doxy, is it in one

> > dose or split up? I will

> > > have to take iron supplements along with it for

a

> > problem I have and they

> > > must be taken many hours apart, hence I would

> > prefer if I could do it in

> > one

> > > dose.

> > > many thanks,

> > > Judy B.

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Jennie,

May I ask why, if as you said you " cured your lyme " , you are still on a cfs

list discussing tx? Why do you think you cured your lyme?

Nelly

Re: [cfs_mycoplasma] cfs symptom

> resolution

> > >

> > >

> > > > I have a few general questions as I want to go

> to

> > > my internist next week

> > > > armed with information about treatment.

> > > > 1) Do any of you know of anyone who got better

> > > from antibiotics and could

> > > > stop them? Or are they on antibiotics forever?

> > > > 2) If you are taking 200 mg. doxy, is it in one

> > > dose or split up? I will

> > > > have to take iron supplements along with it for

> a

> > > problem I have and they

> > > > must be taken many hours apart, hence I would

> > > prefer if I could do it in

> > > one

> > > > dose.

> > > > many thanks,

> > > > Judy B.

>

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>

[Guest guest]

When I was a little girl (I am 40 now), I got the required

vaccinations, but my father never wanted us (my brother and I) to

take antibiotics, and it seems that we survived ! Some doctors give

antibiotics for everything ....

I must also say that my children have been heavily vaccinated, and

were never sick, nothing I could not treat myself ...

SO, we are not talking of " if you take vaccines, then you'll get

mandatory effects " but of " if you take vaccines, you have a high

probability to have side effects, very strong ones, even death " . I

prefer saying this, because people who have had all required by law

and plus vaccinations and who are healthy need to understand that we

are talking of RISKS, and that they just have been lucky !

=====

Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5), Karine(6) and

andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us on June 14th, 2001

andre sent us two new babies due next Spring .... e-mail :

cecilecogez@...

andre's story : http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre

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At 01:36 AM 02/24/2002 -0800, you wrote:

>When I was a little girl (I am 40 now), I got the required

>vaccinations, but my father never wanted us (my brother and I) to

>take antibiotics, and it seems that we survived ! Some doctors give

>antibiotics for everything ....

>I must also say that my children have been heavily vaccinated, and

>were never sick, nothing I could not treat myself ...

>SO, we are not talking of " if you take vaccines, then you'll get

>mandatory effects " but of " if you take vaccines, you have a high

>probability to have side effects, very strong ones, even death " . I

>prefer saying this, because people who have had all required by law

>and plus vaccinations and who are healthy need to understand that we

>are talking of RISKS, and that they just have been lucky !

>

>=====

>Cécile, wife to , mother of Nathalie(11.5), Sandrine(8.5),

Karine(6) and andre(forever 3.5) dx 02/00 NBIV N-MYC amplified. Left us

on June 14th, 2001 andre sent us two new babies due

next Spring .... e-mail : cecilecogez@...

andre's story :

http://www.caringbridge.com/page/alexandre

But Cecile, your baby died of a brain tumor that very likely could have

been from SV40 (monkey viruses) from polio vaccine.

How can you say that your children were never sick?

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