Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

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Thanks.

You have to wonder why a drug company would make 4 and 5 grain tabs if they

would state that the maximum dose is 3 grains.... Doesn't make sense. Which

just proves that the 3 grain that and chuck keep mentioning is just a

recommended dose NOT the maximum dose.

I am a provider and I know what the drug insert says- so I could never

understand why they would keep saying that, that is what forest pharm says-

when it isn't true at all and clearly shown by the larger doses in the pills

...

Nancie

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

> > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some people can't take armour no matter how much or little they take. I was

find on 120 and that is well below what you call the minimum. Now I am on

90 every day and 15 added to take every other day and now I can exercise

again and not feel exhausted and seem to be adjusting fine. I will know

more about it when I go back for my tests. I do feel that I may have to go

back on the 120, but my body could not do well on anything above that.

I don't like the idea of taking more of a drug, sometimes I wonder if we are

becoming too dependent on meds and not letting our bodies really do the job

and incorporating other things, into our life like exercise, dietary

changes, and meditation. We that fails than yes try to up your dosage or

change meds,but to keep saying that we should only take one kind of thyroid

meds is wrong and discouraging to others who want help with their problems.

Betty

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T3?

p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

Gracia

No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

thryoid

hormone.

I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

board

said it was superior.

I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

and I felt like crap.

It¹s simply not for me.

Sue

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Their is nothing wrong with her opinions, but she needs to change how she

talks to people who don't use armour. Our Docs are not all quacks and just

because we are on somthing else we should not be treated if we are stupid.

Betty

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T3?

> People have been saying the same thing to Gracia forever. She stands by

> her

> opionis!

>

[Guest guest]

That is a good website if you take armour or what to know more about it, but

it is not the only or best info when treating hypothryoidism. It is only

one sided. Even Shoman who advocates the t4 and t3 drug does not take

armour, she takes thyrolar.

Betty

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T3?

>

> 1--2 grains is NOT OK in my book, sorry. don't believe me--go to

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com b/c they know about Armour and how

> to use it. most docs do not.

> Gracia

>

>

[Guest guest]

We should also remember that taking too much, just like taking too little of

any thryoid drug can damage our bodies. That is what I believe was going to

happen if I tried to keep taking the 180 armour.

Betty

Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

>> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

>> Gracia

>>

>> No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

[Guest guest]

We could avoid this altogether and remember to tell what works for you and

not condemn someone or their Doctor for using something else.

Betty

Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

hmmm....here we go again. What a passionate group!

Venizia

[Guest guest]

I agree with you there. I have called them several times to ask for

advice on the armour and just don't know too much. I got more info from the

folks at synthroid when I was on it.

Betty

Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

> And don't forget, Forest Pharmaceuticals [the manufacturer] also doesn't

> know how to use it. Strange, isn't it? You'd think they would have

> bothered to find out what you know, since if everyone followed your

> advice they'd sell twice as much.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

AFAIK Shomon takes Armour. doses of Armour have to be kept low if docs

do not treat adrenals.

Gracia

That is a good website if you take armour or what to know more about it, but

it is not the only or best info when treating hypothryoidism. It is only

one sided. Even Shoman who advocates the t4 and t3 drug does not take

armour, she takes thyrolar.

Betty

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If you go to her website it states that she does not take armour.

Betty

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>

> AFAIK Shomon takes Armour. doses of Armour have to be kept low if

> docs do not treat adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> That is a good website if you take armour or what to know more about it,

> but

> it is not the only or best info when treating hypothryoidism. It is only

> one sided. Even Shoman who advocates the t4 and t3 drug does not

> take

> armour, she takes thyrolar.

>

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If you have the book by Shoman and go to page 68 shes says she takes

thyrolar. It seems she has two websites and one says in 2006 she was on

armour and the other site says she was taking thyrolar like the book, but I

did not see a date.

Betty

>

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> T3?

>

>

>>

>> AFAIK Shomon takes Armour. doses of Armour have to be kept low if

>> docs do not treat adrenals.

>> Gracia

>>

>> That is a good website if you take armour or what to know more about it,

>> but

>> it is not the only or best info when treating hypothryoidism. It is only

>> one sided. Even Shoman who advocates the t4 and t3 drug does not

>> take

>> armour, she takes thyrolar.

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[Guest guest]

Schwarzbein also recommends not taking pre-set t4/t3 ratio replacement

hormones such as Armour.

I am on the Scwharzbein Principle Program to heal my adrenals.

Sue

On 8/11/08 8:13 AM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> AFAIK Shomon takes Armour. doses of Armour have to be kept low if docs

> do not treat adrenals.

> Gracia

>

> That is a good website if you take armour or what to know more about it, but

> it is not the only or best info when treating hypothryoidism. It is only

> one sided. Even Shoman who advocates the t4 and t3 drug does not take

> armour, she takes thyrolar.

>

> Betty

[Guest guest]

Okay, Okay; I'll go stand in the corner. Wanna go with me? [ggg]

> Am I gonna have to start putting people in time out here?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

> against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

>

>

>

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

> > I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another

> > board

> > said it was superior.

[Guest guest]

Finally an actual answer; thanks! It doesn't really compute for me, but

at least it's a start...

> I suspect the manufacturer is trying to avoid a lawsuit of any degree, so

> they make their max dose a bit lower than what is actually required by

> many.

> CW

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

> > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

>

[Guest guest]

It's an intentional exaggeration [hyperbole] of the positions taken here

WRT not only Armour but other substances as well. For it to work there

must be some element of fact hidden under the exaggeration. Sorry it

didn't work for you, but as you've read a lot of posts here you cannot

deny its validity...

Here's another example of my warped sense of humor: " My creation myth

is better than your creation myth " . [ggg]

> -

> You know that is not really true and a bit mean.

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

> against the belief systems of some here... Don't confuse them with facts.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I made no criticism of off label use. My objection is to statements

recommending use of a product that far exceeds the manufacturer's

recommendation by someone who is not a medical practitioner without also

including the manufacturer's recommendation. There is a huge difference.

Some of the " prescriptions " that are handed out willy-nillie on this

list could IMHO be harmful or fatal to some people.

So what is YOUR best guess as to why Forest Pharmaceuticals recommends a

maximum dose of 3 grains?

> -

> There are numerous natural medicine physicians and providers all over the

> world that don't follow Forrest pharm's recommendations. The higher doses

> in the allopathic world are considered off label uses which happens

> ALL the

> time with other medications and no one says boo. Why all the criticism

> with

> the off label use of Armour?

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

> > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

[Guest guest]

I misunderstood other posts if they have reference only to the PDF from

Forest. It would be more accurate to state that the maximum dose that

I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg. In addition the maximum

dose I can find listed on Armourthyroid.com

[ " http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx " ] is 180 mg.

In reading some of the material I see two more reasons Forest might want

to suggest a less than maximum dose. One is that some people have

apparently used it for obesity control in otherwise healthy people and

this is not the purpose of the medication. Another possible reason is

that there are potential interactions with a number of other medications

and conditions which might cause increased difficulties in larger doses.

If I have understood the two sites mentioned above then 3 grains is

equivalent to 300 mcg of Synthroid; and provides more than the normal

levels of T3 and T4 for almost everyone. I am somewhat at a loss as to

why we should need to take more T3 or T4 than a healthy body produces.

IMHO; YMMV...

> I did check the PDF that Forest has for dosing info, this is what they

> say exactly " Most patients require 60 to 120mg/day. Failure to respond

> to doses of 180mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption.

> " No

> where did I find they mention a " maximum dose " that and I believe

> Chuck used to repeat.

[Guest guest]

Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

CW

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> I hope you realize you may be crucified; having just committed sacrilege

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>

>

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thank you 'net mommy. i think i am about to lose my computer now too.

gracia

Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

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Why would you lose your computer?

Oh and just leave it up to the mother of many to be bossy here

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Volvo crisis guy came here and put on a new fuel filter.

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Yes, my PC has behaving like I have dial-up lately. Gets on my nerves.

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Crystal wrote:

>

>

> Yes, my PC has behaving like I have dial-up lately. Gets on my nerves.

Sounds like tracking cookies or adware. It's hard to do anything quickly

when every key stroke has to be transmitted to dozens of people who

monitor what you are doing.

How often do you scan with a virus and spy-ware system?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

That's better than having to buy a different car!!

Venizia

>

>

> my computer is 4 years old and starting to behave badly

> Volvo crisis guy came here and put on a new fuel filter.

> $175 and now I am good to go. yikes

> Gracia

>

> Why would you lose your computer?

> Oh and just leave it up to the mother of many to be bossy here

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YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

women he feels! [ggg]

> Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> CW

[Guest guest]

OMG!! Time out OLD MAN!!!

Venizia

>

> YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

> women he feels! [ggg]

>

>

>

> > Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> > CW

>