Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

[Guest guest]

I was told on another group that you can gain weight if you are not on

enough T3 because we are hypoT. Just yesterday I added another 50mcg

of time-released T3 per my doctor so I take it twice a day and today I

weighed myself and I lost 2#. NOW tomorrow I may gain it back, maybe I

ate less yesterday but usually it is very difficult for me to budge

the weight. So to lose 2# in one day is pretty significant for me.

Venizia

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> Anyone have weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

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[Guest guest]

Hi Veizia,

Thanks for reporting back after your first day of the T3 dosing.

2 lbs in one day is obvioiusly water weight since it takes 3500 calories to

lose 1 lb, but it¹s encouraging

because it may mean the T3 is helping to REGULATE your metabolism and bodily

functions, as it should.

Keep us posted!

Sue

On 8/9/08 8:42 AM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> I was told on another group that you can gain weight if you are not on

> enough T3 because we are hypoT. Just yesterday I added another 50mcg

> of time-released T3 per my doctor so I take it twice a day and today I

> weighed myself and I lost 2#. NOW tomorrow I may gain it back, maybe I

> ate less yesterday but usually it is very difficult for me to budge

> the weight. So to lose 2# in one day is pretty significant for me.

>

> Venizia

[Guest guest]

Oh, I know it is water weight. I look and feel waterlogged. But I am

happy losing the water weight. This is not my first day on T3, it was

my first day of no T4 with the T3. That may be making the difference

but like I said, I could be right back up there tomorrow. Will have to

look at it, say after a week or so. My Rt3 levels are another thing.

Venizia

>

> >

> >

> >

> > I was told on another group that you can gain weight if you are not on

> > enough T3 because we are hypoT. Just yesterday I added another 50mcg

> > of time-released T3 per my doctor so I take it twice a day and today I

> > weighed myself and I lost 2#. NOW tomorrow I may gain it back, maybe I

> > ate less yesterday but usually it is very difficult for me to budge

> > the weight. So to lose 2# in one day is pretty significant for me.

> >

> > Venizia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That could be, I know I started gaining weight the WEEK they put me on T4

six years ago!

Please keep us posted as this has been my only botersome symptom since Dx

with Hashis and Hypo in 2002.

Sue

On 8/9/08 12:04 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Oh, I know it is water weight. I look and feel waterlogged. But I am

> happy losing the water weight. This is not my first day on T3, it was

> my first day of no T4 with the T3. That may be making the difference

> but like I said, I could be right back up there tomorrow. Will have to

> look at it, say after a week or so. My Rt3 levels are another thing.

>

> Venizia

[Guest guest]

Sue,

I can't remember, did you ever check your Rt3 levels or maybe your Ft4

and Ft3 numbers do not warrant it? Or if you have hashi's you just may

not be on enough thyroid meds. The Frees are the best way to check

that along with the antibodies levels TPO and TgAB but maybe you

already know this.

Venizia

>

> >

> >

> >

> > Oh, I know it is water weight. I look and feel waterlogged. But I am

> > happy losing the water weight. This is not my first day on T3, it was

> > my first day of no T4 with the T3. That may be making the difference

> > but like I said, I could be right back up there tomorrow. Will have to

> > look at it, say after a week or so. My Rt3 levels are another thing.

> >

> > Venizia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Venizia,

I have my Ft3 and Ft4 checked twice yearly and 8 weeks after any med change.

They are both mid range.

I have NEVER had my Ft3 checked.... My Ft3 USED to be lowest end, i.e. 240

on a 230-420 range UNTIL we added in the cytomel T3.

So I am a poor converter.

What would warrant a Ft3 check?

I have consistently gained weight SINCE being put on the meds for thryoid.

My antibodies were checked and are >1000 for Hashis.

Sue

On 8/9/08 1:27 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Sue,

>

> I can't remember, did you ever check your Rt3 levels or maybe your Ft4

> and Ft3 numbers do not warrant it? Or if you have hashi's you just may

> not be on enough thyroid meds. The Frees are the best way to check

> that along with the antibodies levels TPO and TgAB but maybe you

> already know this.

>

> Venizia

[Guest guest]

I have read at stopthethyroidmadness.com that you want your Ft3 to be

near the top of the range. Go to this website Sue, if you haven't

yet. Also, I think I told you about the book Stop The Thyroid Madness

by Janie Bowthorpe. She runs the Natural Thyroid group. You

will probably find that there are many things you are not doing that

may help.

I think you are referring to the Rt3 and why you should have that

checked. I am not saying you need to but if your ranges are where

they are supposed to be and you still have hypo symptoms, you either

want to check your antibodies to make sure they haven't gotten higher

or if you have high cortisol you could have a Rt3 problem and there

are ranges for the free T3 and Ft4 but I can't remember what they are

right now or their relation to each other that can tell if you have an

Rt3 issue.

This probably confused you even more and I am having a difficult time

explaining which is why I suggest going to the sttm website.

Venizia

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> >

> >

> >

> > Sue,

> >

> > I can't remember, did you ever check your Rt3 levels or maybe your Ft4

> > and Ft3 numbers do not warrant it? Or if you have hashi's you just may

> > not be on enough thyroid meds. The Frees are the best way to check

> > that along with the antibodies levels TPO and TgAB but maybe you

> > already know this.

> >

> > Venizia

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You wrote:

> ... Ft3 and Ft4 ... are both mid range....

>

> So I am a poor converter....

>

Not necessarily. Even if your FT3 were higher, the very active presence

of antibodies will neutralize some of the T3 in serum. When your thyroid

stops completely, and the antibodies subside, you may find your meds

more effective. Your condition will certainly be more stable. In the

meantime, be prepared for more adjustments to your dosage.

RT3 has a similar effect to the antibodies, but I would not suspect that

when the immune system is so active.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Chuck,

Without straight up T3 (cytomel) my free T3 is just 240 on a range of

230-420, mid with 15 mcg of T3 cytomel.

What kinds of adjustments?

sue

On 8/9/08 3:29 PM, " Chuck B " <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Sue,

>

> You wrote:

>> > ... Ft3 and Ft4 ... are both mid range....

>> >

>> > So I am a poor converter....

>> >

>

> Not necessarily. Even if your FT3 were higher, the very active presence

> of antibodies will neutralize some of the T3 in serum. When your thyroid

> stops completely, and the antibodies subside, you may find your meds

> more effective. Your condition will certainly be more stable. In the

> meantime, be prepared for more adjustments to your dosage.

>

> RT3 has a similar effect to the antibodies, but I would not suspect that

> when the immune system is so active.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You wrote:

>

> Without straight up T3 (cytomel) my free T3 is just 240 on a range of

> 230-420, mid with 15 mcg of T3 cytomel.

> What kinds of adjustments?

This is nowhere near a full replacement dose, which means your thyroid

is still struggling to function and is succeeding only partially. Your

state of equilibrium is essentially dependent on your immune system. As

the antibodies work, your thyroid's output will diminish, eventually

requiring more Cytomel. However, the attack could suddenly stop or slow

dramatically, in which case your thyroid might be able to keep up again.

You could even shift over to hyperT for awhile.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

take the T3 as well.

Does that sound correct?

Sue

On 8/9/08 5:17 PM, " Chuck B " <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Sue,

>

> You wrote:

>> >

>> > Without straight up T3 (cytomel) my free T3 is just 240 on a range of

>> > 230-420, mid with 15 mcg of T3 cytomel.

>> > What kinds of adjustments?

>

> This is nowhere near a full replacement dose, which means your thyroid

> is still struggling to function and is succeeding only partially. Your

> state of equilibrium is essentially dependent on your immune system. As

> the antibodies work, your thyroid's output will diminish, eventually

> requiring more Cytomel. However, the attack could suddenly stop or slow

> dramatically, in which case your thyroid might be able to keep up again.

> You could even shift over to hyperT for awhile.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

you were on Armour but b/c of TSH test and doc ignorance now you are on

synthetic stuff? OMG

I just saw the movie 3:10 to Yuma and I am thinking some docs should be shot.

gracia

We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

take the T3 as well.

Does that sound correct?

Sue

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No, I was on levoxyl, then added in t3, then swithced to armour and felt

like total crap so went back to levo/cyto.

sue

On 8/9/08 9:50 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> you were on Armour but b/c of TSH test and doc ignorance now you are on

> synthetic stuff? OMG

> I just saw the movie 3:10 to Yuma and I am thinking some docs should be shot.

> gracia

>

> We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

> I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

> take the T3 as well.

> Does that sound correct?

>

[Guest guest]

you felt like total crap on Armour b/c you were not allowed to have

enough---b/c of TSH and doc ignorance. what was your highest dose?

Gracia

No, I was on levoxyl, then added in t3, then swithced to armour and felt

like total crap so went back to levo/cyto.

sue

On 8/9/08 9:50 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> you were on Armour but b/c of TSH test and doc ignorance now you are on

> synthetic stuff? OMG

> I just saw the movie 3:10 to Yuma and I am thinking some docs should be

shot.

> gracia

>

> We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

> I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

> take the T3 as well.

> Does that sound correct?

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You wrote:

>

>

> We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

> I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

> take the T3 as well.

> Does that sound correct?

Sorry, not really. If you greatly increase your Cytomel dose, FT3 will

go up dramatically whether you convert efficiently or not. The clearest

signature of a conversion problem is low T3 when T4 is dosed to a

relatively high level.

Low conversion is often connected to RT3, since the T4 that doesn't get

converted to T3 will usually go to RT3 instead. However, it is possible

to have one without the other.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig thryoid

hormone.

I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another board

said it was superior.

I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

and I felt like crap.

It¹s simply not for me.

Sue

On 8/10/08 1:50 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> you felt like total crap on Armour b/c you were not allowed to have

> enough---b/c of TSH and doc ignorance. what was your highest dose?

> Gracia

>

> No, I was on levoxyl, then added in t3, then swithced to armour and felt

> like total crap so went back to levo/cyto.

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

That does sound like poor conversion then, she had me at .112 levo.

Then .100 levo and 15 mcg t3 and up went my free t3 --

I am now on .75 mcg levo and 15 ctyomel and get labs in a few weeks.

I never had reverse t3 done ­ do you think I should?

I am going to at least ask...

I never felt any better on any meds at any dose but then again, I never felt

sick until my adrenals crashed and burned.

sue

On 8/10/08 4:13 PM, " Chuck B " <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

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>

>

> Sue,

>

> You wrote:

>> >

>> >

>> > We added the T3 in, 15mcg and my Free T3 goes up to about 400.

>> > I was saying why I thought I was not a good converter, and thus needed to

>> > take the T3 as well.

>> > Does that sound correct?

>

> Sorry, not really. If you greatly increase your Cytomel dose, FT3 will

> go up dramatically whether you convert efficiently or not. The clearest

> signature of a conversion problem is low T3 when T4 is dosed to a

> relatively high level.

>

> Low conversion is often connected to RT3, since the T4 that doesn't get

> converted to T3 will usually go to RT3 instead. However, it is possible

> to have one without the other.

>

> Chuck

>

[Guest guest]

no at that dose it wouldn't be for most ppl. you were underdosed (((

that's what happens. you are getting the deluxe treatment--no nothing docs

treating to TSH.

Gracia

4 grains of Armour plus cortef 5mg 4X a day

No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig thryoid

hormone.

I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another board

said it was superior.

I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

and I felt like crap.

It¹s simply not for me.

Sue

On 8/10/08 1:50 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> you felt like total crap on Armour b/c you were not allowed to have

> enough---b/c of TSH and doc ignorance. what was your highest dose?

> Gracia

>

> No, I was on levoxyl, then added in t3, then swithced to armour and felt

> like total crap so went back to levo/cyto.

> sue

>

[Guest guest]

p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

Gracia

No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig thryoid

hormone.

I tried it 3 times over a two year period because everyone on another board

said it was superior.

I gave it all I had, Gracia ­ I was up to 2.25 grains ­ more than my

levo/cyto combo ­ I tried armour with levo, armour alone, etc.

And every time I introduced Armour my joints ached, my stomach bloated up

and I felt like crap.

It¹s simply not for me.

Sue

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[Guest guest]

Sue, I am having to agree with Gracia. I was taking 6 grains of

Armour awhile back and ever since I have been taking the lower dose is

when I started having all this trouble. NOW, I do not think I should

be on 6 grains but I do feel that my problems are Rt3 and also Not

being on enough thyroid. Today, a beautiful day in Wisconsin and what

was I doing for the last 3 hrs? Sleeping.....not like me AT ALL!

Venizia

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > you felt like total crap on Armour b/c you were not allowed to have

> > enough---b/c of TSH and doc ignorance. what was your highest dose?

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I was on levoxyl, then added in t3, then swithced to armour

and felt

> > like total crap so went back to levo/cyto.

> > sue

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Gracia,

Where do you get your information?

The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour‹no way at all.

My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

free t3 goes up to high end.

I never felt like crap til I took armour ‹ I tried it ALONE, adding it to

Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:05 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

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>

>

>

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>

[Guest guest]

I don¹t feel like CRAP on levo/cyto ‹ can you guys understand that?

AS SOON AS I TAKE ARMOUR I get very very ill.

It¹s not the amount ‹ it¹s ANY amount ‹ when I stop the armour I feel FINE.

See the connection...?

Sue

On 8/10/08 5:11 PM, " venizia1948 " <nelsonck@...> wrote:

>

>

>

> Sue, I am having to agree with Gracia. I was taking 6 grains of

> Armour awhile back and ever since I have been taking the lower dose is

> when I started having all this trouble. NOW, I do not think I should

> be on 6 grains but I do feel that my problems are Rt3 and also Not

> being on enough thyroid. Today, a beautiful day in Wisconsin and what

> was I doing for the last 3 hrs? Sleeping.....not like me AT ALL!

>

> Venizia

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

You wrote:

>

> That does sound like poor conversion then, she had me at .112 levo.

> Then .100 levo and 15 mcg t3 and up went my free t3 --

> I am now on .75 mcg levo and 15 ctyomel and get labs in a few weeks....

Again, what goes IN does not demonstrate conversion. It is the labs that

will tell, particularly the relative concentrations of T4 and T3.

> I never had reverse t3 done ­ do you think I should

Usually they rule out everything else first. The problem is that RT3

will go up with just about every other problem as well as the mystery

one the test will indicate. So, until you eliminate those other

potential causes, RT3 is not particularly meaningful.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Well that is not true, my natural medicine Physician who is a MD Takes 5

grains of Armour! I am up to 4 grains and I am feeling much better than I

did at 3 grains. My doc, prudence hall says everyone is different but one

should always dose to your symptoms and if one feels better on a higher dose

then that is the dose you should take and the same goes for lower doses...

Nancie

-- Re: Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released

T3?

Gracia,

Where do you get your information?

The MININUM dose of Armour can be 60 mg or 1 grain or even less.

There is no way that eveyone should be on 4 grains of armour‹no way at all.

My Tsh is suppressed, which is good for me, my t4 mid range and with t3 my

free t3 goes up to high end.

I never felt like crap til I took armour ‹ I tried it ALONE, adding it to

Levo, and alone again and as soon as I took a pill I got SICK.

Really, that¹s just my body rejecting the pig thryoid.

sue

On 8/10/08 5:05 PM, " Gracia " <circe@...> wrote:

>

>

>

>

> p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> Gracia

>