Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

[Guest guest]

A 4 year old computer isn't the latest and greatest but for most stuff

except extreme games and things like movies and possibly very high end

audio processing you don't need a new one. IMHO the most likely problem

with a pc that age is software related. If not then possibly a hard

drive problem. If you provide your symptoms here maybe someone can

offer a guess...

BTW, I'm glad you got your car fixed. Should now be good for another

quarter million miles, eh?

I know how it feels when your wheels don't go. Mine quite last

Wednesday but it was just a corroded battery terminal and kaput battery.

Luck,

> my computer is 4 years old and starting to behave badly

> Volvo crisis guy came here and put on a new fuel filter.

> $175 and now I am good to go. yikes

> Gracia

>

> Why would you lose your computer?

> Oh and just leave it up to the mother of many to be bossy here

> CW

[Guest guest]

the guy looked at my car and thought it was super--no rust underneath even.

but I am afraid I will need a fuel pump soon and that's a lot of $$$. It's

always something. I have been stuck at home for 4 days and I have one can of

refried beans left.

this is a Dell and I thought they were good for 4 years? I am having to

restart it a lot to get it unfrozen.

Gracia

A 4 year old computer isn't the latest and greatest but for most stuff

except extreme games and things like movies and possibly very high end

audio processing you don't need a new one. IMHO the most likely problem

with a pc that age is software related. If not then possibly a hard

drive problem. If you provide your symptoms here maybe someone can

offer a guess...

BTW, I'm glad you got your car fixed. Should now be good for another

quarter million miles, eh?

I know how it feels when your wheels don't go. Mine quite last

Wednesday but it was just a corroded battery terminal and kaput battery.

Luck,

> my computer is 4 years old and starting to behave badly

> Volvo crisis guy came here and put on a new fuel filter.

> $175 and now I am good to go. yikes

> Gracia

>

> Why would you lose your computer?

> Oh and just leave it up to the mother of many to be bossy here

> CW

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[Guest guest]

I'm protected by mcafee. I scanned 1 or 2 days ago can't remember. It's not

just the Internet going slow its email and typing too. I have a lot of

music on here maybe that's why. I wish I knew what was safe to uninstall

CW

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Crystal wrote:

>

>

> Yes, my PC has behaving like I have dial-up lately. Gets on my nerves.

Sounds like tracking cookies or adware. It's hard to do anything quickly

when every key stroke has to be transmitted to dozens of people who

monitor what you are doing.

How often do you scan with a virus and spy-ware system?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Well I hope your wife feels good then. You are just over half way through

your life. God promises 120 years.

CW

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YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

women he feels! [ggg]

> Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> CW

[Guest guest]

ROFL!!!!!

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OMG!! Time out OLD MAN!!!

Venizia

>

> YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

> women he feels! [ggg]

>

>

>

> > Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> > CW

>

[Guest guest]

great. I have to work 60 more years.

Gracia

Well I hope your wife feels good then. You are just over half way through

your life. God promises 120 years.

CW

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I think maximum is your interpretation. I can't find that word anywhere

on their website or on the PDF. I think the problem I am having is that

you type that word pretty often and refer to that web site, but that

word is simply NOT there. Anywhere. You can't say " the maximum dose that

I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg " if the word maximum or any

like meaning word is never written anywhere!

Probably some people have very poor absorption, with myself I am near

top of range in my FT3 with " just " 2.5 grains with a normal average body

temperature. Others may need a grain more or so.

Armour would make a very poor obesity drug when used at an overdose. I

can't imagine who would want to sweat their rear ends off running a

constant fever, have heart palps, hand shakes, chest pain, bug eyed,

talking a mile a minute like some hype.....have you ever seen someone

that had untreated Grave's? Does not look pleasant.

Neil

wrote:

>

> I misunderstood other posts if they have reference only to the PDF from

> Forest. It would be more accurate to state that the maximum dose that

> I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg. In addition the maximum

> dose I can find listed on Armourthyroid.com

> [ " http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx

> <http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx> " ] is 180 mg.

>

> In reading some of the material I see two more reasons Forest might want

> to suggest a less than maximum dose. One is that some people have

> apparently used it for obesity control in otherwise healthy people and

> this is not the purpose of the medication. Another possible reason is

> that there are potential interactions with a number of other medications

> and conditions which might cause increased difficulties in larger doses.

>

> If I have understood the two sites mentioned above then 3 grains is

> equivalent to 300 mcg of Synthroid; and provides more than the normal

> levels of T3 and T4 for almost everyone. I am somewhat at a loss as to

> why we should need to take more T3 or T4 than a healthy body produces.

>

> IMHO; YMMV...

>

>

> > I did check the PDF that Forest has for dosing info, this is what they

> > say exactly " Most patients require 60 to 120mg/day. Failure to respond

> > to doses of 180mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption.

> > " No

> > where did I find they mention a " maximum dose " that and I believe

> > Chuck used to repeat.

>

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[Guest guest]

You can say that for any thyroid medication- they always state a Suggested

maximum dose. But they never state an absolute maximum dose. Because every

patient is different and everyone has different needs; ergo the doses may be

different- some high; some low and some higher than the Suggested maximum

doses.

-- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

I misunderstood other posts if they have reference only to the PDF from

Forest. It would be more accurate to state that the maximum dose that

I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg. In addition the maximum

dose I can find listed on Armourthyroid.com

[ " http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx " ] is 180 mg.

In reading some of the material I see two more reasons Forest might want

to suggest a less than maximum dose. One is that some people have

apparently used it for obesity control in otherwise healthy people and

this is not the purpose of the medication. Another possible reason is

that there are potential interactions with a number of other medications

and conditions which might cause increased difficulties in larger doses.

If I have understood the two sites mentioned above then 3 grains is

equivalent to 300 mcg of Synthroid; and provides more than the normal

levels of T3 and T4 for almost everyone. I am somewhat at a loss as to

why we should need to take more T3 or T4 than a healthy body produces.

IMHO; YMMV...

> I did check the PDF that Forest has for dosing info, this is what they

> say exactly " Most patients require 60 to 120mg/day. Failure to respond

> to doses of 180mg suggests lack of compliance or malabsorption.

> " No

> where did I find they mention a " maximum dose " that and I believe

> Chuck used to repeat.

[Guest guest]

It doesn't recommend a maximum dose- it list a suggested maximum dose- but

it makes doses that are HIgher than the alleged average dose of 3 grains to

allow for individualized needs of individualized patients. Ergo someone who

is of large body build and/or taller; or patients with auto-immune disease

[not necessarily including graves]; cancer or other disease states that can

increase the need for a a higher dose than someone who is petit on the

average or is healthy except for hypo T. But everyone's needs are different.

I am finally starting to feel normal again and I am on 4 grains. If I was

limited to 3 grains total- I would still be experiencing severe hypo T

symptoms

It is up to the medical provider [ usually] to make the decision on how

much the patient needs; depending on the labs [ excluding the TSH] and

symptoms.

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>

> In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the manufacturer

> lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

>

> Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the level

> of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> must be a reason...

>

>

>

> > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > Gracia

> >

> > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > thryoid

> > hormone.

[Guest guest]

Why do you say " including the TSH " doesn't that test tell you what

the pituitary is doing and should not be used to determine dosage?

Venizia

>

> It doesn't recommend a maximum dose- it list a suggested maximum

dose- but

> it makes doses that are HIgher than the alleged average dose of 3

grains to

> allow for individualized needs of individualized patients. Ergo

someone who

> is of large body build and/or taller; or patients with auto-immune

disease

> [not necessarily including graves]; cancer or other disease states

that can

> increase the need for a a higher dose than someone who is petit on the

> average or is healthy except for hypo T. But everyone's needs are

different.

> I am finally starting to feel normal again and I am on 4 grains. If

I was

> limited to 3 grains total- I would still be experiencing severe hypo T

> symptoms

> It is up to the medical provider [ usually] to make the decision on how

> much the patient needs; depending on the labs [ excluding the TSH] and

> symptoms.

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time

Released T3?

> >

> > In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the

manufacturer

> > lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> > they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> > Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> > decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> > your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> > him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

> >

> > Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the

level

> > of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> > must be a reason...

> >

> >

> >

> > > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > > thryoid

> > > hormone.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I said Excluding the TSH, not including the TSH

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Released T3?

> >

> > In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the

manufacturer

> > lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> > they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should have?

> > Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> > decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as well as

> > your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> > him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

> >

> > Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the

level

> > of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> > must be a reason...

> >

> >

> >

> > > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > > Gracia

> > >

> > > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like the pig

> > > thryoid

> > > hormone.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes you did, sorry. reading too fast.

Venizia

> >

> > It doesn't recommend a maximum dose- it list a suggested maximum

> dose- but

> > it makes doses that are HIgher than the alleged average dose of 3

> grains to

> > allow for individualized needs of individualized patients. Ergo

> someone who

> > is of large body build and/or taller; or patients with auto-immune

> disease

> > [not necessarily including graves]; cancer or other disease states

> that can

> > increase the need for a a higher dose than someone who is petit on the

> > average or is healthy except for hypo T. But everyone's needs are

> different.

> > I am finally starting to feel normal again and I am on 4 grains. If

> I was

> > limited to 3 grains total- I would still be experiencing severe hypo T

> > symptoms

> > It is up to the medical provider [ usually] to make the decision

on how

> > much the patient needs; depending on the labs [ excluding the TSH] and

> > symptoms.

> >

> > -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time

> Released T3?

> > >

> > > In all fairness don't you think you should mention that the

> manufacturer

> > > lists 180 mg as the MAXIMUM daily dose??? Even if you're right and

> > > they're wrong don't you think it's information a patient should

have?

> > > Since each of us is ultimately responsible for making our own health

> > > decisions I suggest that having the manufacturer's opinion as

well as

> > > your opinion provides needed info. That way a patient can decide for

> > > him/herself which recommendation has more credibility.

> > >

> > > Why do you think the manufacturer recommends that NO ONE take the

> level

> > > of dosage that you recommend as " normal " ? Even if you're right there

> > > must be a reason...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > > p.s I think the minimum dose of Armour is 3 grains or 180mg.

> > > > Gracia

> > > >

> > > > No, I felt like crap on armour because my body does not like

the pig

> > > > thryoid

> > > > hormone.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I know some solid state devices have a projected life span of 30 years;

or at least used to. There's no reason in the world for a pc to wear

out in 4 years.

A lot of time it's nothing but malware such as a virus/spyware/adware

and so on; or maybe corrupted files. Do you use a good virus checker?

Firewall? Spyware software? Do you defrag your hard drive

occasionally? Run checkdisk? What OS do you use? If you use Windows

XP there's a group called WinXPPro with a lot of people who know a

heck of a lot more about such things than I do.

Luck,

> this is a Dell and I thought they were good for 4 years? I am having

> to restart it a lot to get it unfrozen.

> Gracia

>

> A 4 year old computer isn't the latest and greatest but for most stuff

> except extreme games and things like movies and possibly very high end

> audio processing you don't need a new one. IMHO the most likely problem

> with a pc that age is software related. If not then possibly a hard

> drive problem. If you provide your symptoms here maybe someone can

> offer a guess...

>

> BTW, I'm glad you got your car fixed. Should now be good for another

> quarter million miles, eh?

>

> I know how it feels when your wheels don't go. Mine quite last

> Wednesday but it was just a corroded battery terminal and kaput battery.

>

> Luck,

>

[Guest guest]

Having a lot of music files on your pc won't slow it down unless you

have the hard drive basically full.

> I'm protected by mcafee. I scanned 1 or 2 days ago can't remember.

> It's not

> just the Internet going slow its email and typing too. I have a lot of

> music on here maybe that's why. I wish I knew what was safe to uninstall

> CW

[Guest guest]

Yep; she feels pretty good. Ornery, though. Must be from putting up

with me! [ggg]

As for a promise of 120 years my brother got a bit short changed; dying

at 63. A very religious fellow; left quite a bit of money to his

church. I guess they don't make promises like they used to...

> Well I hope your wife feels good then. You are just over half way through

> your life. God promises 120 years.

> CW

>

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

> women he feels! [ggg]

>

>

>

> > Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> > CW

[Guest guest]

I can and I did and it is an accurate and truthful statement. It

follows correct rules of logic and English usage, and is therefore a

valid statement.

However, my former use of the " maximum " term was misleading because I

had thought from what I had read that it was specifically stated on

their site that the maximum dose should not exceed 180 mg. But in fact

what is true is that wherever I've found dosages mentioned on their site

180 mg has been the maximum dose mentioned in any context. My

understanding of that site says that no one should need a dose greater

than 180 mg, which indicates to me that they are in a manner stating or

suggesting that the maximum dose anyone should need or take is that

quantity.

> You can't say " the maximum dose that

> I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg " if the word maximum or any

> like meaning word is never written anywhere!

[Guest guest]

Darned if I can find it if they do; although it makes sense and I had

remembered reading it somewhere. I do find where they indicate that no

one should need more than 180 mg; but even there they do not spell it

out specifically using the word " maximum " . If you have another source

that does say so I'd like to know where it is.

But since you're a professional medical practitioner let me ask you:

Why would anyone need a replacement dose of any medication that is twice

that produced by a healthy person?

> You can say that for any thyroid medication- they always state a Suggested

> maximum dose. But they never state an absolute maximum dose. Because every

> patient is different and everyone has different needs; ergo the doses

> may be

> different- some high; some low and some higher than the Suggested maximum

> doses.

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> I misunderstood other posts if they have reference only to the PDF from

> Forest. It would be more accurate to state that the maximum dose that

> I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg. In addition the maximum

> dose I can find listed on Armourthyroid.com

> [ " http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx

> <http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx> " ] is 180 mg.

[Guest guest]

A home PC is not " solid state " (interesting term from the

early-mid 60's when vacuum tubes were on the way out!!). A home PC has a

moving hard drive, they often fail after 3-5 years, sometimes they go

slowly as sectors become unreadable, or sometimes they fail quickly.

Neil

wrote:

>

> I know some solid state devices have a projected life span of 30 years;

> or at least used to. There's no reason in the world for a pc to wear

> out in 4 years.

> A lot of time it's nothing but malware such as a virus/spyware/adware

> and so on; or maybe corrupted files. Do you use a good virus checker?

> Firewall? Spyware software? Do you defrag your hard drive

> occasionally? Run checkdisk? What OS do you use? If you use Windows

> XP there's a group called WinXPPro with a lot of people who know a

> heck of a lot more about such things than I do.

>

> Luck,

>

> > this is a Dell and I thought they were good for 4 years? I am having

> > to restart it a lot to get it unfrozen.

> > Gracia

> >

> > A 4 year old computer isn't the latest and greatest but for most stuff

> > except extreme games and things like movies and possibly very high end

> > audio processing you don't need a new one. IMHO the most likely problem

> > with a pc that age is software related. If not then possibly a hard

> > drive problem. If you provide your symptoms here maybe someone can

> > offer a guess...

> >

> > BTW, I'm glad you got your car fixed. Should now be good for another

> > quarter million miles, eh?

> >

> > I know how it feels when your wheels don't go. Mine quite last

> > Wednesday but it was just a corroded battery terminal and kaput battery.

> >

> > Luck,

> >

>

>

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[Guest guest]

As I have already stated- it depends on the person's health status and/or

body build and that person's Genetics which affect how their thyroid

functions and it's individualized dosage needs. Everyone is different!

What works for the average person will not work for everyone! The doses that

are listed by Forest pharm are Averages- not absolutes.

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>

> I misunderstood other posts if they have reference only to the PDF from

> Forest. It would be more accurate to state that the maximum dose that

> I find mentioned on their web site is 180 mg. In addition the maximum

> dose I can find listed on Armourthyroid.com

> [ " http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx

> <http://www.armourthyroid.com/con_faqs.aspx> " ] is 180 mg.

[Guest guest]

How do you tell if the hard disk is full?

CW

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Having a lot of music files on your pc won't slow it down unless you

have the hard drive basically full.

> I'm protected by mcafee. I scanned 1 or 2 days ago can't remember.

> It's not

> just the Internet going slow its email and typing too. I have a lot of

> music on here maybe that's why. I wish I knew what was safe to uninstall

> CW

[Guest guest]

I can't imagine that putting up with you, or any man for that reason. Could

make a woman ornery.

Well we can't eat whatever we wANT AND expect a super long life. Have you

ever read the Maker's Diet?

CW

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>

> YOUNG!??? I'm 67. Oh, well; they say a man is only as old as the

> women he feels! [ggg]

>

>

>

> > Yes that's warped, now go back into time out, young man.

> > CW

[Guest guest]

The electronics are solid state unless you have a crt. In any event

junking a pc because you need a new hard drive is a little like junking

your car because you need a new radiator. New 500 gb hard drives now

sell for $90 to $100 on sale. Mice and keyboards take a lot of abuse

sometimes; but are cheap to replace.

OTOH if your mb goes bad it's probably time to consider a new pc unless

it's very new/high end. Or if you have a laptop whose screen is kaput.

However, if you use processes such as extreme gaming or high end video

programs a four year old model is obsolete. Actually there isn't a pc

available today that will utilize all the features of X-Plane 9 set to max.

I well remember when solid state was replacing vacuum tubes. That's

about the time I stopped repairing TV sets.

> A home PC is not " solid state " (interesting term from the

> early-mid 60's when vacuum tubes were on the way out!!). A home PC has a

> moving hard drive, they often fail after 3-5 years, sometimes they go

> slowly as sectors become unreadable, or sometimes they fail quickly.

>

> Neil

>

> wrote:

> >

> > I know some solid state devices have a projected life span of 30 years;

> > or at least used to. There's no reason in the world for a pc to wear

> > out in 4 years.

> > A lot of time it's nothing but malware such as a virus/spyware/

> adware

> > and so on; or maybe corrupted files. Do you use a good virus checker?

> > Firewall? Spyware software? Do you defrag your hard drive

> > occasionally? Run checkdisk? What OS do you use? If you use Windows

> > XP there's a group called WinXPPro with a lot of people who know a

> > heck of a lot more about such things than I do.

> >

> > Luck,

> >

[Guest guest]

Start/my computer/ right click on the drive letter/properties/general.

In Windows XP, at least.

Or you can open Windows Explorer and right click on the drive

letter/properties/general.

> How do you tell if the hard disk is full?

> CW

>

> -- Re: Weight gain on Compounded Time Released T3?

>

> Having a lot of music files on your pc won't slow it down unless you

> have the hard drive basically full.

>

>

[Guest guest]

No. I often read books or articles dealing with spiritual matters but

seldom any dealing with religious matters. I do, however, find ph

very informative.

As for eating like a pig and living to 100 [or beyond] some people do.

And some eat a healthy diet and die at half that. Besides, what is

healthy today may be found to be unhealthy next year.

> I can't imagine that putting up with you, or any man for that reason.

> Could

> make a woman ornery.

> Well we can't eat whatever we wANT AND expect a super long life. Have you

> ever read the Maker's Diet?

> CW