Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 So, , please enlighten me. Given that I take 1000 mgs of magnesium a day, do I have to take potassium too and how much? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio@...> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:58 PM The more I think of it the more I am convinced that something was up with Skippers heart. He never supplemented magnesium even during Iodine dosing. He said it made him sick. He even said that he took a epsom salt bath once and he became fatigued and was ill for days. That indicates that he more than likely had a potassium deficiency or some serious heart issue. If one is mag deficient for long enough... potassium is lost. " Magnesium deficiency eventually leads to a loss of potassium because of its role in maintaining the enzyme responsible for pumping potassium into the cell. A magnesium deficiency occurring in a pre-existing potassium deficiency increases the potassium loss even more. " http://www.orthomolecular.org/ library/jom/1998/articles/1998-v13n04-p215.shtml He stopped thyroid meds if you remember. That will lower magnesium more. I wish I would have known more then about the magnesium/potassium link and how fatigued potassium deficiency will make you...I would have pushed him harder to take the RBC analysis for magnesium. He sure liked to argue with me. I guess well never know why he died at such an young age. What a tragedy... ________________________________ From: Gracia <circe@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? now I am getting a clue! on iodine group is on hypoT! I have many of Skipper's posts still saved. what happened to him I wonder? (( remember that Skipper and I disagreed about the high cortisol issue. boy that is weird that you felt nothing on iodine. that could mean that it never got into your tissues, and you peed out everything. I have always had amazing results with iodine but I am just now experiencing detox symptoms (after one year on 100mg). I think I was severely deficient. I am taking the ATP cofactors and companion nutrients, so I think I am doing all I can do to get the iodine into tissues. I would like to do the testing but I am actually afraid to go without iodine for a few days b4 the test. when I tried to take 12.5mg one day I was really nonfunctional. Gracia I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature but felt nothing. I'm not saying thats bad or wasn't worth my time. We all need desperately to cure all our deficiencies. I believe it is you that has never taken the iodine urinalysis. Can you imagine if you have a symporter defect and haven't been absorbing all of that iodine you've been taking? Dr. Abrams can give you a work around. You really should test one day. I don't megadose anything without proper testing first. Also don't get me wrong... I would love to take armour for the T3 and convenience of it in one pill. I will probably try again if I don't get the T4/T3 conversion issue worked out. Right now it looks like high cortisol is my issue, thats why I was looking for Skipper on the other board. Horrible that he died so young. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 You should see how a quality mag makes you feel; Epsom salt baths too. I definitely needed the potassium. You could try a couple of glasses of low sodium V8 juice a day and maybe a banana. Taking a potassium pill only gives you 3% of the RDA by law. 2 glasses of V8 gives you about 80% of the RDA of potassium. Your oxide mag gives you the equivalent of 100mg of mag from what I've read. ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 7:06:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? So, , please enlighten me. Given that I take 1000 mgs of magnesium a day, do I have to take potassium too and how much? Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:58 PM The more I think of it the more I am convinced that something was up with Skippers heart. He never supplemented magnesium even during Iodine dosing. He said it made him sick. He even said that he took a epsom salt bath once and he became fatigued and was ill for days. That indicates that he more than likely had a potassium deficiency or some serious heart issue. If one is mag deficient for long enough... potassium is lost. " Magnesium deficiency eventually leads to a loss of potassium because of its role in maintaining the enzyme responsible for pumping potassium into the cell. A magnesium deficiency occurring in a pre-existing potassium deficiency increases the potassium loss even more. " http://www.orthomol ecular.org/ library/jom/ 1998/articles/ 1998-v13n04- p215.shtml He stopped thyroid meds if you remember. That will lower magnesium more. I wish I would have known more then about the magnesium/potassium link and how fatigued potassium deficiency will make you...I would have pushed him harder to take the RBC analysis for magnesium. He sure liked to argue with me. I guess well never know why he died at such an young age. What a tragedy... ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? now I am getting a clue! on iodine group is on hypoT! I have many of Skipper's posts still saved. what happened to him I wonder? (( remember that Skipper and I disagreed about the high cortisol issue. boy that is weird that you felt nothing on iodine. that could mean that it never got into your tissues, and you peed out everything. I have always had amazing results with iodine but I am just now experiencing detox symptoms (after one year on 100mg). I think I was severely deficient. I am taking the ATP cofactors and companion nutrients, so I think I am doing all I can do to get the iodine into tissues. I would like to do the testing but I am actually afraid to go without iodine for a few days b4 the test. when I tried to take 12.5mg one day I was really nonfunctional. Gracia I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature but felt nothing. I'm not saying thats bad or wasn't worth my time. We all need desperately to cure all our deficiencies. I believe it is you that has never taken the iodine urinalysis. Can you imagine if you have a symporter defect and haven't been absorbing all of that iodine you've been taking? Dr. Abrams can give you a work around. You really should test one day. I don't megadose anything without proper testing first. Also don't get me wrong... I would love to take armour for the T3 and convenience of it in one pill. I will probably try again if I don't get the T4/T3 conversion issue worked out. Right now it looks like high cortisol is my issue, thats why I was looking for Skipper on the other board. Horrible that he died so young. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 So true! (I love the quote!) Amy ________________________________ From: <res075oh@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 6:16:06 PM Subject: Re: progress maybe? Amy, we are _all_ ignorant. Just different levels on different subjects. To some extent I suspect that the better educated one becomes the more one realizes the vastness of the knowledge one does not possess. I once posted to someone: " I'm ignorant in fields you don't even know exist... " ! [ggg] .. .. > > Posted by: " Amy Green " amygreen53 (DOT) com > <mailto:amygreen53 (DOT) com?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20progress% 20maybe%3F> > amygreen53 <http://profiles. / amygreen53> > > > Mon Mar 16, 2009 3:12 pm (PDT) > > > > Chuck --sorry to be so ignorant, but what is a binding problem? > Thanks! Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I have 99mg potassium pills and 10 meq potassium pills at home. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:58 PM The more I think of it the more I am convinced that something was up with Skippers heart. He never supplemented magnesium even during Iodine dosing. He said it made him sick. He even said that he took a epsom salt bath once and he became fatigued and was ill for days. That indicates that he more than likely had a potassium deficiency or some serious heart issue. If one is mag deficient for long enough... potassium is lost. " Magnesium deficiency eventually leads to a loss of potassium because of its role in maintaining the enzyme responsible for pumping potassium into the cell. A magnesium deficiency occurring in a pre-existing potassium deficiency increases the potassium loss even more. " http://www.orthomol ecular.org/ library/jom/ 1998/articles/ 1998-v13n04- p215.shtml He stopped thyroid meds if you remember. That will lower magnesium more. I wish I would have known more then about the magnesium/potassium link and how fatigued potassium deficiency will make you...I would have pushed him harder to take the RBC analysis for magnesium. He sure liked to argue with me. I guess well never know why he died at such an young age. What a tragedy... ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? now I am getting a clue! on iodine group is on hypoT! I have many of Skipper's posts still saved. what happened to him I wonder? (( remember that Skipper and I disagreed about the high cortisol issue. boy that is weird that you felt nothing on iodine. that could mean that it never got into your tissues, and you peed out everything. I have always had amazing results with iodine but I am just now experiencing detox symptoms (after one year on 100mg). I think I was severely deficient. I am taking the ATP cofactors and companion nutrients, so I think I am doing all I can do to get the iodine into tissues. I would like to do the testing but I am actually afraid to go without iodine for a few days b4 the test. when I tried to take 12.5mg one day I was really nonfunctional. Gracia I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature but felt nothing. I'm not saying thats bad or wasn't worth my time. We all need desperately to cure all our deficiencies. I believe it is you that has never taken the iodine urinalysis. Can you imagine if you have a symporter defect and haven't been absorbing all of that iodine you've been taking? Dr. Abrams can give you a work around. You really should test one day. I don't megadose anything without proper testing first. Also don't get me wrong... I would love to take armour for the T3 and convenience of it in one pill. I will probably try again if I don't get the T4/T3 conversion issue worked out. Right now it looks like high cortisol is my issue, thats why I was looking for Skipper on the other board. Horrible that he died so young. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 99mg is 3% of the RDA of potassium. They are kinda useless. I would rely on food sources for the extra potassium. http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/askdoctor/afib_potassium.aspx ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:01:25 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? I have 99mg potassium pills and 10 meq potassium pills at home. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> From: <kennio (DOT) com> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? hypothyroidism Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:58 PM The more I think of it the more I am convinced that something was up with Skippers heart. He never supplemented magnesium even during Iodine dosing. He said it made him sick. He even said that he took a epsom salt bath once and he became fatigued and was ill for days. That indicates that he more than likely had a potassium deficiency or some serious heart issue. If one is mag deficient for long enough... potassium is lost. " Magnesium deficiency eventually leads to a loss of potassium because of its role in maintaining the enzyme responsible for pumping potassium into the cell. A magnesium deficiency occurring in a pre-existing potassium deficiency increases the potassium loss even more. " http://www.orthomol ecular.org/ library/jom/ 1998/articles/ 1998-v13n04- p215.shtml He stopped thyroid meds if you remember. That will lower magnesium more. I wish I would have known more then about the magnesium/potassium link and how fatigued potassium deficiency will make you...I would have pushed him harder to take the RBC analysis for magnesium. He sure liked to argue with me. I guess well never know why he died at such an young age. What a tragedy... ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> hypothyroidism Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49:36 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? now I am getting a clue! on iodine group is on hypoT! I have many of Skipper's posts still saved. what happened to him I wonder? (( remember that Skipper and I disagreed about the high cortisol issue. boy that is weird that you felt nothing on iodine. that could mean that it never got into your tissues, and you peed out everything. I have always had amazing results with iodine but I am just now experiencing detox symptoms (after one year on 100mg). I think I was severely deficient. I am taking the ATP cofactors and companion nutrients, so I think I am doing all I can do to get the iodine into tissues. I would like to do the testing but I am actually afraid to go without iodine for a few days b4 the test. when I tried to take 12.5mg one day I was really nonfunctional. Gracia I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature but felt nothing. I'm not saying thats bad or wasn't worth my time. We all need desperately to cure all our deficiencies. I believe it is you that has never taken the iodine urinalysis. Can you imagine if you have a symporter defect and haven't been absorbing all of that iodine you've been taking? Dr. Abrams can give you a work around. You really should test one day. I don't megadose anything without proper testing first. Also don't get me wrong... I would love to take armour for the T3 and convenience of it in one pill. I will probably try again if I don't get the T4/T3 conversion issue worked out. Right now it looks like high cortisol is my issue, thats why I was looking for Skipper on the other board. Horrible that he died so young. ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.15/2004 - Release Date: 03/16/09 07:04:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 , You wrote: > I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplementation literature ... None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I take bulk potassium citrate. It's about 1/3 potassium so I take 4.5 grams in the morning and evening which is about 1.5 grams of potassium at each dose. I buy it in multi-pound orders. I also have pills to use when I travel of potassium citrate as well and take 30 pills a day traveling divided between morning and evening. Also, potassium chloride is available in 50 lb bags from places like home depot for use in water softeners. This is essentially food grade since it goes into your water softener and some of it increases the potassium content of your drinking water. There are two kinds of salts that are used in water softeners, make sure you get the potassium form. Some people on the net take this water softener and dilute it with water and then take a table spoon or some-such, whatever it is they've calculate out to be what they want to take each day. It certainly is a lot better sources than the 99 mg pills/tablets and a whole lot cheaper. Here's one source for bulk material although my last 10 lbs I got from an ebay seller. Steve wrote: > 99mg is 3% of the RDA of potassium. They are kinda useless. I would rely on food sources for the extra potassium. > > http://my.clevelandclinic.org/heart/askdoctor/afib_potassium.aspx > > > > ________________________________ > From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:01:25 PM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > > I have 99mg potassium pills and 10 meq potassium pills at home. > > Roni > <>Just because something > isn't seen doesn't mean it's > not there<> > > > > From: <kennio (DOT) com> > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > hypothyroidism > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 4:58 PM > > The more I think of it the more I am convinced that something was up with Skippers heart. He never supplemented magnesium even during Iodine dosing. He said it made him sick. He even said that he took a epsom salt bath once and he became fatigued and was ill for days. That indicates that he more than likely had a potassium deficiency or some serious heart issue. > > If one is mag deficient for long enough... potassium is lost. > > " Magnesium deficiency eventually leads to a loss of potassium because of its role in maintaining the enzyme responsible for pumping potassium into the cell. A magnesium deficiency occurring in a pre-existing potassium deficiency increases the potassium loss even more. " > http://www.orthomol ecular.org/ library/jom/ 1998/articles/ 1998-v13n04- p215.shtml > > He stopped thyroid meds if you remember. That will lower magnesium more. I wish I would have known more then about the magnesium/potassium link and how fatigued potassium deficiency will make you...I would have pushed him harder to take the RBC analysis for magnesium. He sure liked to argue with me. I guess well never know why he died at such an young age. What a tragedy... > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 3:49:36 PM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > now I am getting a clue! on iodine group is on hypoT! > I have many of Skipper's posts still saved. what happened to him I wonder? (( > remember that Skipper and I disagreed about the high cortisol issue. > boy that is weird that you felt nothing on iodine. that could mean that it never got into your tissues, and you peed out everything. I have always had amazing results with iodine but I am just now experiencing detox symptoms (after one year on 100mg). I think I was severely deficient. I am taking the ATP cofactors and companion nutrients, so I think I am doing all I can do to get the iodine into tissues. > I would like to do the testing but I am actually afraid to go without iodine for a few days b4 the test. when I tried to take 12.5mg one day I was really nonfunctional. > Gracia > > I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature but felt nothing. I'm not saying thats bad or wasn't worth my time. We all need desperately to cure all our deficiencies. > > I believe it is you that has never taken the iodine urinalysis. Can you imagine if you have a symporter defect and haven't been absorbing all of that iodine you've been taking? Dr. Abrams can give you a work around. You really should test one day. > I don't megadose anything without proper testing first. > > Also don't get me wrong... I would love to take armour for the T3 and convenience of it in one pill. I will probably try again if I don't get the T4/T3 conversion issue worked out. Right now it looks like high cortisol is my issue, thats why I was looking for Skipper on the other board. Horrible that he died so young. > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 gumboyaya@... wrote: > , > > You wrote: >> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplementation literature ... > > None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. > > Chuck I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but the T3 most definitely did. I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 I've read the Townsend newletter debates on the subject. I do however know others that feel that they've benefitted greatly by supplement the inorganic iodine, especially those with thyroid nodules and fibrocystic breasts. My additional testing showed large amounts of fluoride and bromine being expelled in my urine along with trace amounts of heavy metals... so I feel that the research has validity. ________________________________ From: " gumboyaya@... " <gumboyaya@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 7:20:53 AM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? , You wrote: > I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 Important to note that magnesium helps regulate body temperature and also works as a statin lowering cholesterol. ________________________________ From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39:50 AM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? gumboyayacox (DOT) net wrote: > , > > You wrote: >> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... > > None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. > > Chuck I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but the T3 most definitely did. I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 At 1040 mg/day of magnesium I got neither effect. I've never seen this in the medical literature as well both for temperature and especially for cholesterol lowering. Steve wrote: > Important to note that magnesium helps regulate body temperature and also works as a statin lowering cholesterol. > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39:50 AM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > > > > gumboyayacox (DOT) net wrote: >> , >> >> You wrote: >>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >> >> Chuck > > I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since > it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value > I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures > both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. > The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but > the T3 most definitely did. > > I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower > cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 I personally believe that most symptoms of hypothyroidism are brought about by the magnesium deficiency it brings. Including low body temperature, constipation, high cholesterol, anxiety, etc. Body Temperature: " Magnesium is an essential mineral that has a hand in many vital body functions: releasing energy, regulating body temperature, building protein, and stabilizing bone. " http://nutritionservices.upmc.com/NutritionArticles/Vitamins/Magnesium.htm http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/pdf_extract/37/6/835 " Magnesium, which is important for many functions of body. It also maintains our body's temperature. Magnesium is also necessary to maintain our heart rhythms. " http://www.articlesbase.com/wellness-articles/significant-role-of-magnesium-sulf\ ate-magnesium-sulphate-523562.html " Magnesium helps to build proteins, maintain proper body temperature, and aids in the operation of nerves and muscles. " The Power of Magnesium: Investigation of a Very Important Nutrient " -http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_power_of_magnesium#ixzz0A5q\ gH6Ux Cholesterol -------------------- " Mag Lowers Cholesterol?--------------------After separately reviewing 18 different studies related to magnesium and cholesterol, here is what was discovered: * Magnesium may lower total cholesterol 6 to 20% * Magnesium may lower LDL (bad cholesterol) 10 to 18% * Magnesium may reduce triglycerides 10 to 42% * Magnesium may raise HDL (good cholesterol) 4 to 11% How can magnesium at times achieve similar results to statin therapy? 1. Magnesium regulates enzymes that control cholesterol production. In particular, magnesium targets the same enzyme, HMG-CoH reductase, as statin medication. 2. Magnesium raises levels of HDL while lowering LDL. Albeit not lowering LDL as dramatically as statins, the rise in HDL offsets this. Safety? While synthetic statin therapy blocks the entire enzymatic function of cholesterol absorption, magnesium is a natural inhibitor, which either blocks its function, or allows it to continue, based upon the body's needs at the time. This is why you will not see the following while taking magnesium: elevated liver enzymes, muscle pain, myopathy, and other side effects associated with statins. " I don't have the problem of high cholesterol so I haven't links to all those studies listed above... I sure you can find them. Here's a good one though: " Comparison of mechanism and functional effects of magnesium and statin pharmaceuticals. Mg at optimal cellular concentration is well accepted as a natural calcium channel blocker. More recent work shows that Mg also acts as a statin. " http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15466951 ________________________________ From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:26:03 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? At 1040 mg/day of magnesium I got neither effect. I've never seen this in the medical literature as well both for temperature and especially for cholesterol lowering. Steve wrote: > Important to note that magnesium helps regulate body temperature and also works as a statin lowering cholesterol. > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Steve <dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39:50 AM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > > > > gumboyayacox (DOT) net wrote: >> , >> >> You wrote: >>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >> >> Chuck > > I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since > it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value > I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures > both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. > The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but > the T3 most definitely did. > > I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower > cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. > -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Thanks for the references. I got none of the effects that may occur with magnesium. Steve wrote: > I personally believe that most symptoms of hypothyroidism are brought about by the magnesium deficiency it brings. Including low body temperature, constipation, high cholesterol, anxiety, etc. > > Body Temperature: > > " Magnesium is an essential mineral that has a hand in many vital body functions: releasing energy, regulating body temperature, building protein, and stabilizing bone. " > http://nutritionservices.upmc.com/NutritionArticles/Vitamins/Magnesium.htm > > http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/pdf_extract/37/6/835 > > " Magnesium, which is important for many functions of body. It also maintains our body's temperature. Magnesium is also necessary to maintain our heart rhythms. " > http://www.articlesbase.com/wellness-articles/significant-role-of-magnesium-sulf\ ate-magnesium-sulphate-523562.html > > " Magnesium helps to build proteins, maintain proper body temperature, and aids in the operation of nerves and muscles. > " The Power of Magnesium: Investigation of a Very Important Nutrient " -http://generalmedicine.suite101.com/article.cfm/the_power_of_magnesium#ixzz0A5q\ gH6Ux > > Cholesterol > -------------------- > " Mag Lowers Cholesterol?--------------------After separately reviewing 18 different studies related to magnesium and cholesterol, here is what was discovered: > * Magnesium may lower total cholesterol 6 to 20% > * Magnesium may lower LDL (bad cholesterol) 10 to 18% > * Magnesium may reduce triglycerides 10 to 42% > * Magnesium may raise HDL (good cholesterol) 4 to 11% > How can magnesium at times achieve similar results to statin therapy? > > 1. Magnesium regulates enzymes that control cholesterol production. In particular, magnesium targets the same enzyme, HMG-CoH reductase, as statin medication. > > 2. Magnesium raises levels of HDL while lowering LDL. Albeit not lowering LDL as dramatically as statins, the rise in HDL offsets this. > > Safety? > > While synthetic statin therapy blocks the entire enzymatic function of cholesterol absorption, magnesium is a natural inhibitor, which either blocks its function, or allows it to continue, based upon the body's needs at the time. This is why you will not see the following while taking magnesium: elevated liver enzymes, muscle pain, myopathy, and other side effects associated with statins. " > > > > I don't have the problem of high cholesterol so I haven't links to all those studies listed above... I sure you can find them. Here's a good one though: > > " Comparison of mechanism and functional effects of magnesium and statin pharmaceuticals. > Mg at optimal cellular concentration is well accepted as a natural calcium channel blocker. More recent work shows that Mg also acts as a statin. " > > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15466951 > > > > ________________________________ > From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:26:03 PM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > > At 1040 mg/day of magnesium I got neither effect. I've never seen this > in the medical literature as well both for temperature and especially > for cholesterol lowering. > > Steve > > wrote: >> Important to note that magnesium helps regulate body temperature and also works as a statin lowering cholesterol. >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: Steve <dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> >> hypothyroidism >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39:50 AM >> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? >> >> >> >> >> gumboyayacox (DOT) net wrote: >>> , >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >>> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >>> >>> Chuck >> I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since >> it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value >> I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures >> both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. >> The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but >> the T3 most definitely did. >> >> I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower >> cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. >> > -- Steve - dudescholar4@... Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 When I discovered I was magnesium deficient I began to take high dose magnesium. I confirmed my deficiency with a xray spectrometer test called EXATEST and then RBC analysis first because I like a tangible scientific baselines when I restore levels of anything. I began testing different magnesiums and how quickly they helped stop the arrhythmia I was experiencing. Glycinate rose to the top. I found a pharmaceutical grade (and expensive) excipient-free magnesium glycinate and took that for at least 3 months. I retook the Red Blood Cell Analysis at that point and I was STILL deficient and my months of supplementing hardly put a dent. I was still not optimized with the thyroid hormone yet and I assumed that was why I couldn't hold on to it. Now, some research shows that once you have a severe level of depletion of magnesium you lose cannot absorb it orally (I'm not saying that that is the case with you.) Why would that be? Possibly that the supporting vitamins and minerals that help retain magnesium are lost too? When magnesium is lost a dam breaks; Its hard to rebuild the dam they suggest. The websites I've come across that discuss this suggest that IV magnesium is necessary to restore levels of magnesium in the depleted individual. One a week for 3 weeks....2500 mgs. It effectively bypasses the GI tract and causes no diarrhea; much like Epsom Salts does. Now, if you doubt that magnesium regulates body temperature, you get an IV of it....the temperature increase is dramatic. I did get the IV's with Vitamins, 2500mg mag and high dose vitamin C. The IV's cost $90 a pop and took about an hour. I continued the oral supplementing. Some literature suggests that potassium, B-12, folate, B6 and DHEA (if deficient) may be needed to retain magnesium. Again I'm not saying that you are deficient. You would need to get an RBC analysis to help determine that. What I am saying is that restoring levels of ANY vitamin or mineral is not as easy as it seems. My doctor was stumped as to why the magnesium was so low after supplementing for so long. I showed him my research of needing the IV's, so he agreed to give them to me. I retested with the RBC analysis a few months after the IV's and he said that my levels of magnesium were the only he's ever seen that were not on the low side. So... there you go. ________________________________ From: Steve <dudescholar4@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 8:21:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? Thanks for the references. I got none of the effects that may occur with magnesium. Steve wrote: > I personally believe that most symptoms of hypothyroidism are brought about by the magnesium deficiency it brings. Including low body temperature, constipation, high cholesterol, anxiety, etc. > > Body Temperature: > > " Magnesium is an essential mineral that has a hand in many vital body functions: releasing energy, regulating body temperature, building protein, and stabilizing bone. " > http://nutritionser vices.upmc. com/NutritionArt icles/Vitamins/ Magnesium. htm > > http://jap.physiolo gy.org/cgi/ pdf_extract/ 37/6/835 > > " Magnesium, which is important for many functions of body. It also maintains our body's temperature. Magnesium is also necessary to maintain our heart rhythms. " > http://www.articles base.com/ wellness- articles/ significant- role-of-magnesiu m-sulfate- magnesium- sulphate- 523562.html > > " Magnesium helps to build proteins, maintain proper body temperature, and aids in the operation of nerves and muscles. > " The Power of Magnesium: Investigation of a Very Important Nutrient " -http://generalmedic ine.suite101. com/article. cfm/the_power_ of_magnesium# ixzz0A5qgH6Ux > > Cholesterol > ------------ -------- > " Mag Lowers Cholesterol? --------- --------- --After separately reviewing 18 different studies related to magnesium and cholesterol, here is what was discovered: > * Magnesium may lower total cholesterol 6 to 20% > * Magnesium may lower LDL (bad cholesterol) 10 to 18% > * Magnesium may reduce triglycerides 10 to 42% > * Magnesium may raise HDL (good cholesterol) 4 to 11% > How can magnesium at times achieve similar results to statin therapy? > > 1. Magnesium regulates enzymes that control cholesterol production. In particular, magnesium targets the same enzyme, HMG-CoH reductase, as statin medication. > > 2. Magnesium raises levels of HDL while lowering LDL. Albeit not lowering LDL as dramatically as statins, the rise in HDL offsets this. > > Safety? > > While synthetic statin therapy blocks the entire enzymatic function of cholesterol absorption, magnesium is a natural inhibitor, which either blocks its function, or allows it to continue, based upon the body's needs at the time. This is why you will not see the following while taking magnesium: elevated liver enzymes, muscle pain, myopathy, and other side effects associated with statins. " > > > > I don't have the problem of high cholesterol so I haven't links to all those studies listed above... I sure you can find them. Here's a good one though: > > " Comparison of mechanism and functional effects of magnesium and statin pharmaceuticals. > Mg at optimal cellular concentration is well accepted as a natural calcium channel blocker. More recent work shows that Mg also acts as a statin. " > > http://www.ncbi. nlm.nih.gov/ pubmed/15466951 > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: Steve <dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> > hypothyroidism > Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:26:03 PM > Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? > > > At 1040 mg/day of magnesium I got neither effect. I've never seen this > in the medical literature as well both for temperature and especially > for cholesterol lowering. > > Steve > > wrote: >> Important to note that magnesium helps regulate body temperature and also works as a statin lowering cholesterol. >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: Steve <dudescholar4@ basicmail. net> >> hypothyroidism >> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 8:39:50 AM >> Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? >> >> >> >> >> gumboyayacox (DOT) net wrote: >>> , >>> >>> You wrote: >>>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >>> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >>> >>> Chuck >> I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since >> it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value >> I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures >> both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. >> The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but >> the T3 most definitely did. >> >> I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower >> cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. >> > -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Which all goes to show how different we all can be and how one protocol of ANYTHING is not a one size fits all panacea. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >>>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >>> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >>> >>> Chuck >> I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since >> it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value >> I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures >> both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. >> The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but >> the T3 most definitely did. >> >> I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower >> cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. >> > -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 It is true. ONE thing we can all be sure of though is that we all need adequate levels of vitamins and minerals for our bodies to be healthy. If you cannot tolerate OR absorb a nutrient I believe that come hell or high water you better find out why (or at least a work around) or you will suffer the consequences eventually. ________________________________ From: Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 12:08:49 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? Which all goes to show how different we all can be and how one protocol of ANYTHING is not a one size fits all panacea. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >>>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >>> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >>> >>> Chuck >> I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since >> it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value >> I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures >> both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. >> The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but >> the T3 most definitely did. >> >> I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower >> cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. >> > -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Agreed. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> >>>> I was on iodine (50-100) for 6 months and took the urinalysis 3 times. I reached full saturation as defined by orthoiodosupplement ation literature ... >>> None of which is peer reviewed or considered archival research. Several of us have posted explanations of why Abram's urine test is bogus and a waste of money. The clearest explanation was by Dr. Gaby, a respected alternative medicine advocate, which, again, several of us have posted here. >>> >>> Chuck >> I take 12.5 mg/day of Iodine without ever bothering to do the test since >> it's of very limited value. Iodine did lower my TSH from 2.1, a value >> I've had for a very long time, to 1.5ish. However, my body temperatures >> both basal and daily peaks are far far from normal without taking T3. >> The iodine didn't lower my cholesterol along with the lowered TSH but >> the T3 most definitely did. >> >> I'm of the opinion right now that T3 is a much better choice to lower >> cholesterol then statin drugs, a much safer choice by far. >> > -- Steve - dudescholar4@ basicmail. net Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at http://www.theadvoc ates.org/ quiz.html " If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 I would never stop cortef, just like I would never stop Armour--and do not have any desire to test for these. I am concerned aobut stopping iodine to do a test. Gracia Yes afibbers can have thyroid meds, but they have to be VERY carefully controlled, because, as happened with me, my usual dosage of 2-1/2 grains put me time and time again into afib. I have been slowly reducing it as per the doctor, and it has finally stopped. I am now at 1 grain, and no, I don't feel terrific. However, I don't want to risk more afib. I'm sure you understand, since you are concerned about stopping the cortef to take a test. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.20/2012 - Release Date: 03/19/09 12:26:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Gracia - you wrote: " Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. " This is RICH! Loosely translated this means Armour often has side effects which then also have to be treated!!!! mse On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadness.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 no you are not treating " side effects " LOL. adrenal glands work with thyroid--H-P-A axis If you have enough thyroid homrone circulating, then sometimes other glands cannot keep up, so other deficiencies are revealed. A good book that explains this is Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. In my case I take thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones. they all work together. Gracia Gracia - you wrote: " Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. " This is RICH! Loosely translated this means Armour often has side effects which then also have to be treated!!!! mse On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadness.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 I believe that the hormones work together. What I don't get is why I can take T4 and cytomel BUT I can't take Armour. I just don't get why Armour stresses the adrenals SO much with some people. ________________________________ From: Gracia <circe@...> hypothyroidism Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 7:38:22 PM Subject: Re: Re: progress maybe? no you are not treating " side effects " LOL. adrenal glands work with thyroid--H-P- A axis If you have enough thyroid homrone circulating, then sometimes other glands cannot keep up, so other deficiencies are revealed. A good book that explains this is Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. In my case I take thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones. they all work together. Gracia Gracia - you wrote: " Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. " This is RICH! Loosely translated this means Armour often has side effects which then also have to be treated!!!! mse On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> wrote: > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadn ess.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I'm trying to get the insurance to let me try the thryrolar again, because I don't really feel that well on the Armour. You'd think I asked for a shotgun or something. I'll have to call them tomorrow. Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadn ess.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Hi . What r symptoms of adrenal stress? I've been in synthroid for almost a month and I am still achey and tired. is Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry Re: Re: progress maybe? no you are not treating " side effects " LOL. adrenal glands work with thyroid--H-P- A axis If you have enough thyroid homrone circulating, then sometimes other glands cannot keep up, so other deficiencies are revealed. A good book that explains this is Hormone Solutions by Thierry Hertoghe MD. In my case I take thyroid, adrenal, sex hormones. they all work together. Gracia Gracia - you wrote: " Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. " This is RICH! Loosely translated this means Armour often has side effects which then also have to be treated!!!! mse On Sun, Mar 15, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Gracia <circefairpoint (DOT) net> wrote: > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadn ess.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 Here's some info for you. http://www.womentowomen.com/adrenalfatigue/default.aspx Roni <>Just because something isn't seen doesn't mean it's not there<> > > why wouldn't you treat the high liver enzymes with a liver detox and > take magnesium (and iodine), instead of stopping Armour? hyperthyroidism > is quite diffferent than taking too much meds! hyperthyroidism is a > screaming need for iodine. > Armour often reveals other probs, which then need to be treated. > Gracia > > I went onto the forum associated with " StopTheThyroidMadn ess.com " when I > was taking Armour looking for help because of feeling ill and then the high > liver enzymes starting. Here's how it went. > > me: Anyone else having high liver enzymes after starting Armour. I'm on 3 > grains. > > her: How dare you fear monger here and repeat the terrible rumors that > doctors are telling you to believe. ARMOUR saved my life and I would will > defend such a wonderful company as forest pharmaceuticals with all my might. > They are ethical and fight for us!! (or something like that) > > me: Ummm, forest pharmaceuticals also makes Lexapro. Google " lawsuit > lexapro " . > > The whole thread disappeared in less than 10 minutes and I was kicked off > the board without comment... I kid you not! Never got around to mentioning > that I was pissing out my whole skeleton as my calcium was leached from my > bones (hadn't found out yet). > > I am NOT suggesting that Armour caused all these problems. I now know that > any hyperthyroid state can cause these problems regardless of what hormone > replacement is used AND that hyperthyroidism can be a subtle condition with > real consequences. The real problem with the Armour websites are the pushing > to take more and more without a care to hidden dangers like elevated liver > enzymes and calcium leaching. > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.237 / Virus Database: 270.11.13/2001 - Release Date: 03/14/09 > 06:54:00 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2009 Report Share Posted March 22, 2009 I could only tolerate 90mg Armoru and thought that was all I needed. I took that for at least a year but started going backwards. finally finally I got cortef and some estrogen and went to 240mg Armour in one week, I have been on that for several years now. Armour, cortef and iodine are the big ones for healing. Gracia I believe that the hormones work together. What I don't get is why I can take T4 and cytomel BUT I can't take Armour. I just don't get why Armour stresses the adrenals SO much with some people. ________________________________ From ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.11.22/2015 - Release Date: 03/20/09 19:01:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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