Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

[Guest guest]

Sorry, I thought it was crystal I was replying to.

-- Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

I got the point of Roni's post just fine...your reply was to Crystal's post

and she was referring to where the 'stimulus' and 'TARP' funds went. I'd bet

the $16,000 debt the government just gave every living American would have

gone a long way towards providing for the 'poor and needy'...and I'd even

venture to bet they would have spent it...but, instead, more people will be

impoverished and we'll pass the largest debt load in American history on to

the next generation, and most likely the one following, leaving them in

worse circumstances than our generation has ever known, not the heritage our

ancestors left to us!

>

> I wasn't referring to AIG and the rest of the criminals. I thought you

were

> referring to the subject of roni's post which was welfare recipients and

> thus when you made that statement, I was offended.

> You obliviously did not get the Pont of roni's post....

[Guest guest]

Maybe you should....

-- Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

Well, gee...maybe we should tell Jimmy that, after-all, it was a

government sponsored shelter, under his administration. Since my husband was

hurt on the job, his boss lied when the company doctor said my husband would

never be able to return to his job as a result of his injury, which resulted

in 9 months without an income while we waited for the depositions and

hearings that ultimately proved his boss was a liar, our savings finally

exhausted, and with me hugely pregnant...that's what the 'government'

provided. While, on the other hand, a private church sponsored us and moved

us into a house and paid all of our utilities! Government programs paid so

very well that we weren't even eligible for low-income housing because they

couldn't charge us enough to cover the cost of the utilities, so they had

denied us before this church stepped in.

In hypothyroidism , " Nancie Barnett " <deifspirit@..

> wrote:

>

>

> My point is that NO ONE should ever have to live in a roach infested

> dwelling. It is amoral and unethical for the owner of such dwelling to

allow

> it to exist.

> ...

[Guest guest]

Then why are they going back 10 years then?

go piss off

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>>> Plus,

>>> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

>>> years as they want.

>> You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

>> government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

>>

>> Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

>> section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

>> Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

>> tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

>> the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

>> for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

>>

>> What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

>>

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Then why are they going back 10 years then? Smart ass

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>>> Plus,

>>> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

>>> years as they want.

>> You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

>> government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

>>

>> Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

>> section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

>> Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

>> tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

>> the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

>> for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

>>

>> What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

>>

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

BS! The IRS has changed procedures all the time. Don't tell me you slept

thru the congressional hearings that were held in the past in regards to IRS

abuses, or were you living in a cave, then?

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>>> Plus,

>>> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

>>> years as they want.

>> You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

>> government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

>>

>> Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

>> section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

>> Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

>> tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

>> the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

>> for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

>>

>> What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

>>

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

If the bush really wanted to stimulate the economy, he would have given out

more than 300 to 1200 dollars. In fact most people didn't spend the money at

all or at least not the way dumb thought it would be spent.

The stimulus money was a drop in a bucket compared to all the frigging money

that went elsewhere....

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

>>

>> Val

>>

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>>

>> Posted by: " "

>>

>> Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

PISS OFF loser

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> Sorry, Nancie. There seems to be a three year statute of limitations. I

just

> check it out.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>> Plus,

>> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

>> years as they want.

>

> You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

> government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

>

> Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

> section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

> Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

> tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

> the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

> for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

>

> What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

>

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Oh I have more than a clue, steve. In Africa since there isn't any

government to speak of or it is corrupt[ depending on the country], we have

NGO's that try and make up the difference.

But, again more can be done especially in the Congo and in certain parts of

south Africa.

Plus, you can add in south America; central America; the poor areas of the

middle east; the list goes on.

BUT, the debate we are having is about America's poor and needy. You should

go into the slums of America and the Appalachian regions. These are

desperately poor people where the cycle of poverty continues. I would really

like to be there when you tell them that all they need to do is get a job or

get an education then all their problems will vanish and that they need to

stop being lazy welfare bums, lets see how far that will get you... Or what

their response will be....

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

Nancie Barnett wrote:

>

> My point is that NO ONE should ever have to live in a roach infested

> dwelling. It is amoral and unethical for the owner of such dwelling to

allow

> it to exist.

You obviously have not seen the size of the roaches in Florida. A

single roach could almost feed a family of 5! Hey, and they real loud

when you hear the flyings ones travel across your room in the dark of

the night.

Roaches get into all houses in Florida.

Having lived in Africa, I don't think you have a clue about real poverty.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

You must not have kids? It aint funny that their tax money will be paying

for the mistakes of (trying not to cuss) greedy CEO's.

CW

Traveling? Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

O God now we are talking about the global warming " theory. "

CW

Traveling? Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> If you have evaluated the situation and believe that the government

> bureaucracy can more efficiently dispose of your excess funds than you

> can then you're probably right. I suppose it is true for a very small

> percentage of people. The question arises as to how they managed to

> amass the wealth to start with if they didn't inherit it, given such a

> myopic view.

>

> If you think it's patriotic to pay more taxes perhaps you should send a

> note to most of Obama's appointments [good liberal democrats all] who

> failed to get the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think we should go either, but we damn well better keep them from

coming over here.

CW

Traveling? Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

Nancie, for a couple of days now, your posts have been coming into my spam box.

I don't know how this happens, and all I seem to be able to do is move them to

the inbox, but I just discovered this and a whole bunch of others in there

again. Any ideas?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 12:45 AM

If he can get us out of the frigging mess that the republican administration

of dumb got us into, then I say give him a chance.

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> It's a matter of personal philosophy. Liberals will say yes while

> conservatives will say no. Liberals will approve of high taxes

> [especially on " the wealthy " ] but when they fall into the wealthy class

> they tend to avoid them by legal or illegal means. Look at the number

> of tax cheats in Obama's appointments.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jimmy is not a good man, no many how many Habitats he helps to build.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

>

>

> My point is that NO ONE should ever have to live in a roach infested

> dwelling. It is amoral and unethical for the owner of such dwelling to

allow

> it to exist.

> ...

[Guest guest]

Keep looking down Crystal, and when the seas rise and you see the water coming

up, try and remember that " theory'. Have you seen the news lately about the ice

breaking up and melting in the arctic and the antarctic? I am not talking about

news magazines, I am talking about current events.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:37 AM

O God now we are talking about the global warming " theory. "

CW

Traveling?  Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

> If you have evaluated the situation and believe that the government

> bureaucracy can more efficiently dispose of your excess funds than you

> can then you're probably right. I suppose it is true for a very small

> percentage of people. The question arises as to how they managed to

> amass the wealth to start with if they didn't inherit it, given such a

> myopic view.

>

> If you think it's patriotic to pay more taxes perhaps you should send a

> note to most of Obama's appointments [good liberal democrats all] who

> failed to get the message.

>

>

[Guest guest]

What don't you like?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 11:15 PM

It did, last week, Thursday I believe it was...

> ...Tell

> me how many thousands of earmarks [not all by democrats] are in the

> current budget bill [i think it passed].

> ...

>

------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I wasn't laughing at that perspective I was laughing at your limited view on

what caused the economic crisis that we are in. The last 8 years of BS

caused it and BTW TARP was originated on Bush's watch . Here is the link.

Title:

U.S. Treasury TARP Program: Highlights for Financial Institutions

Summary:

By A. Baumann On Oct. 14, 2008, the U.S. Department of Treasury

announced the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP Program, which is one

of several recent government initiatives to improve the strength of

financial institutions and enhance market...

View the full post by clicking this link:

http://www.corpfinblog

com/2008/10/articles/federal-legislation/us-treasury-tarp-program-highlights-

or-financial-institutions/

So, it seems Roni was correct after all....

What you don't seem to GRASP is that in order to get us out of this mess

that the republican felons got us into, we have to spend money. The stimulus

plan is a good idea. It is already at work in the state I live in, training

people for green jobs. It also will help to avoid the massive teacher

layoffs in many school districts in California. Always a good idea not to

fire the teachers. It is going to help hospitals hire more nurses, also a

good idea since we have a CHRONIC nursing shortage across the USA.

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

Oh, , I wouldn't bet on that.

coming from a conservative republican, I am not surprised that you belittle

my altruistic views and my experiences working among the poor for years.

My mum grew up in the depression, so I know all about poverty and hardship.

Thank god, I didn't have to experience it and I am sure your experience made

you the conservative that you are now. Although with my mum, she turned out

to be a liberal democrat, go figure.

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

I _LIVED_ a life of poverty as a child that your clients probably don't

even know exists. And for the most part now only exists in third world

countries. I don't need you to tell me about it, or to read about it.

Least of all some liberal crap.

..

..

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

> <mailto:deifspirit@msn

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cows%2C%20Geopolitics%2C%20and%20Big%20Business%20Re%3

%20%5Bhypothyroidism%5D%20Re%3A%20Thy>

> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

>

>

> Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:27 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> My argument stems form ACTUAL experience with the poor in this country . I

> work with the poor and I have run a homeless health clinic in the past,

> nothing has changed, except that the need is greater than before from the

> failed policies of the last republican administration!

> Maybe You should read for starters : " The public assault on America's

> children; Poverty, violence and juvenile injustice " by Polakow;

> There are no children here " by Kotlowitz; " No place to be, voices of

> homeless children " by Judith Berk; " Life and death on the south side of

> Chicago " by LeAlan and Lioyd Newman; " amazing Grace, the lives of

> children and the conscience of a nation " by Kozol. This

> author has

> also written many other books on poverty of children in America; " wasting

> America's future " by n wright edelman; " a prayer for children " by Ina

> ; " wasted , the plight of America's unwanted children " by T.

> ; " no matter how loud I shout " by edward humes; " the shame of a

> nation " by Kozol; " somebody else's children " by Hubner and

> Jill wolfson; " i speak for this child " by gay courter; " growing up

> poor " by

> coles, randy testa and michael coles; " almost lost " edited by

> Beatrice sparks; " solomon " s sword " by michael shapiro; " and still we rise "

> by miles corwin; " children of crisis, vols 1 and 2 " by robert coles;

> families in peril " by marian wright edelman; " the state of america's

> children, yearbook 2002 " by the children's defense fund.

[Guest guest]

The process you've described about the bureaucracy sounds awful. Maybe you could

get in touch with a TV News program and tell your story. You don't even have to

name names, just do what you did here and describe what is going on to them.

Maybe some reporter who wants to be in the limelight will look into it and

report on it. Who knows, you might be instrumental in making a difference.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 2:27 PM

Roni, I have stepped back from that situation...18 years of 'stepped

back'...sadly, the regulations surrounding government sponsored welfare have

just gotten worse...our community, and surrounding communities, were part of the

June floods of 2008...fortunately we and our kids were not directly affected by

the flood, in the sense none of us were flooded out.  We did everything we could

to help those who were...sandbagging, filling & sewing sandbags, hauling, etc. 

My husband and I took one of our boats and pickup to help people whose homes

were being taken over by the flood waters, but they were on the fringe...not

downtown where the city cared about salvaging anything.  These people were

desperately trying to save important documents, photos, etc. and what there was

no time to get out, get to the upper levels of their homes in the hopes that the

waters wouldn't get that high...for some it worked; for others it did not.  I've

seen the FEMA

homes...I've seen first hand the delay one family had (that went on for months)

before FEMA finally got around to getting them into a trailor...

Last month a local option sales tax was proposed upon several of these

communities...it passed in most, but not all of them.  What's really ironic,

though, is that the ones that it did pass in, have been the slowest and worst in

making use of their resources...they gave themselves raises and when that went

to court because one of the things they campaigned on was that they wouldn't get

any raises until they'd resolved all of these problems within the community. 

When they lost and didn't get to keep the raises, they opted to just cut their

hours by 20%, which effectively amounted to giving themselves a raise anyway. 

So now, they don't have enough 'hours in the working week' to accomplish all the

things that need to be accomplished to restore the city, so now what do they

decide to do?  They decide to hire more people...more people to micro-manage the

entire restoration...  They passed new regulations that made it so only

contractors that filed for

a license with the city could work inside the 'flood zone'...and those

contractors had to be from the state...so, what does that mean?  It means that

the good hearted people, contractors from outside the state, who came at their

own cost, with labor paid from their own pocket, were turned away, because they

aren't eligible for these licenses.  Many people could have had their homes

restored for just the cost of the materials...but that's not the way the

'government' works.  Instead, many of these people are still not able to move

into their homes...there are very few contractors who were willing to go through

the process to get those 'licenses' and as a result, they are overbooked and

consequently, they can charge exorbitant rates, well beyond the rates charged

those of us 'outside' the flood zone!  ...this, with the deadline fast

approaching for those who are living in these FEMA trailors...in many cases, the

city hasn't even decided which homes

they are going to buy out so they can build a new levy system and a new city

'park on the river' with some of these funds...

I happen to have an avid interest in sewing and crafting, so I am involved in a

number of activities and organizations related to these things.  Through one

source, which signed on to the 'government sponsored' relief for flood victims

program, if I want to make a donation of items that are being requested for the

needs of the flood victims, I have to 'pay' out of my own pocket $25 to make

that donation.  On the other hand, through the organization that I am a member

of, and together, we make many of the requested items, then donate them

directly, when we know of someone in need, or through local churches who are

meeting directly with the people in need on a daily, weekly or monthly basis. 

Additionally, I've donated 2 sewing machines, to 2 women who lost their machines

and were 'on the list' to 'maybe' get a sewing machine 'some day' if enough

people 'paid' to donate their machines...

Steve has pointed out the community in California with the 'rent-control' that

has, for all practical purposes' become an exclusive community...after all, it's

only a matter of time before the old die off, right?!  Well, that's the kind of

stuff that gets around in the course of things with the flood restoration...the

people who need it most, many of them retired and on fixed incomes, are being

left to fend for themselves, while the city takes the available funds, and hires

more people to push more paper and complicate the entire process even

further...they call more meetings and meanwhile, nothing gets done...  The

people are so fed up with it, that the meeting they called this week, supposedly

to 'get some input from the victims'...AGAIN!...only 2 people showed up.  When

the news-reporters asked some of the victims who didn't show up, why they didn't

show up, guess what they said?...'We're tired of going to meetings where nothing

ever gets

done...decisions never happen...and we don't have time to sit in meetings...we

have to get our homes rebuilt because we're going to be on the street in just a

few more months if we don't...the FEMA housing is only temporary and the city is

wasting time in doing nothing but holding meetings and hiring more people to do

nothing...'

I'm not angry at the government Roni, but I am fed up with the bureaucracy

interfering in everything they stick their noses into!  I do believe the

government has over-stepped its bounds.  I believe my country's constitution and

bill of rights are being violated.  I don't believe in the way politician's are

playing financial classes of people against each other.  I even believe Nancie

sincerely cares about the needy...sadly, I don't believe she has a true grasp of

what she's asking for.  She claims people 'like Steve', per se, should do what

they do at the cost of expenses, no more...I wonder how she's going to feel when

it gets around to where, someone in a position of authority, decides she should

do what she does without profit...I wonder if she's got enough resources to

support her life-style in the manner that she happens to have decided for

herself is 'necessary'...how's she going to feel when the government decides

that 'she' needs less and

someone else needs more of 'her' share than she does.  Maybe, the government

will even decide that someone else needs her job more than she does...after-all,

she doesn't have anyone else to support...maybe a single mom with 3 or 4 kids

should have her job instead, then 4 or 5 people could reap the benefit...it'd be

ever so much more cost-effective!  Hmmm...maybe she could even teach that mom to

do her job before the government lets her go...  That's ultimately where this

whole thing is headed!

Were I in my reproductive years today, I wouldn't even think of bringing a child

into this world.  Fortunately, I've learned the skills necessary to survive off

the land, and we've passed that heritage to our kids...we have a tent, sleeping

bags, and all the necessary gear to survive.  I've read numerous versions of the

'World' Constitution that organizers (world wide) have been working on, and

revising for years now...including the minutes of their 'summit' meetings, which

describe convincing people to buy into the ideas that people like Nancie, have

bought into...sadly, not even comprehending the agenda that is behind it all... 

I wish it was just some kind of conspiracy, but unfortunately, I recognized too

many of the names on the role-call lists...names I've heard mentioned by

politicians in DC...it made me sick to my stomach when I started reading the

first one I found, as I realized how much of it had already been

implemented...the next one

reviewed the progress that had been made since the prior summit, under 'old

business'...and laid out the plans for the next step in the process under 'new

business'...and then I read the minutes from the next summit...  ...just like

cattle being herded to slaughter, not realizing what's coming until their

already into the shoot and it's too late...  That, Roni, truly is sad!

>

> , if you could step back a few feet from your own situation, I think

you'll be able to see that there are times in life that good, hard working

people, through no fault of their own become " needy " and the government (I don't

care which administration is in power), instead of giving them the timely help

they need, drags out the rules and regulations to the point that the people get

into a much worse situation. Your anger is justified, not because the government

helped you out when you needed it, but because they didn't help you out when you

needed it.

>  

....

> Roni

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[Guest guest]

I remember, the mentally ill WERE at some point just dumped onto the streets per

se.

The couldn't stay in the mental institutions any more and many of them had

nowhere to go.

I had a friend whose sister was schitzophrenic and she was tossed out with rest

of them

Luckily she had her mother, who was able to provide for her. There was a mental

institution a few miles from where we lived at the time, and it all closed down.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 2:37 PM

You should pay a bit more attention.  My position has always been stated

that people who can take care of themselves [that is, people of normal

health] should, can and will.  I have not addressed at all any idea that

we should not provide help to those who cannot help themselves.  But

your statement about Reagan is simply wrong, and I challenge you to

provide any evidence to support your allegation.

I would be ashamed of myself if I persisted in applying pejoratives that

imply mental illness or Nazi tendencies with no reasonable evidence at

all.  YMMV.

Anyway, if you're saying that every city and town has hundreds of

thousands of mental cases on the streets you've over stated the

problem.  OTOH perhaps from your viewpoint maybe not, because you seem

to feel everybody who disagrees with your position has a mental

condition.  And I suspect there are a heck of a lot of them.

..

..

>

>       Posted by: " " kennio@...

>   

   <mailto:kennio@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cows%2C%20Geopolitics%2C%20and%20\

Big%20Business%20Re%3A%20%5Bhypothyroidism%5D%20Re%3A%20Thy>

>         Kennio <Kennio>

>

>

>         Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:14 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> >People can and will take care of themselves once the idea that

> someone >else should take care of them so they don't have to hold a

> job or get an

> >education is removed.

>

> Reagan dumped the mentally ill into the streets and they remain there

> today. In every city in every town... hundreds of thousands of people

> living on the streets. Just because you don't acknowledge them doesn't

> mean they don't exist. You ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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[Guest guest]

Jimmy was lied to by Henry Kissinger.

On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Roni Molin <matchermaam@...> wrote:

>

>

> Jimmy is not a good man, no many how many Habitats he helps to

> build.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

> >

> >

> > My point is that NO ONE should ever have to live in a roach infested

> > dwelling. It is amoral and unethical for the owner of such dwelling to

> allow

> > it to exist.

> > ...

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tom Coburn is a US senator. He keeps his followers in touch with what he is

going on. You can Google him if you like. I've told you who he was before.

CW

Traveling? Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

It did, last week, Thursday I believe it was...

> ...Tell

> me how many thousands of earmarks [not all by democrats] are in the

> current budget bill [i think it passed].

> ...

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you didn't see the first message.  I started a new group for you guys to

go to to continue your debates.  All you have to do is click the link and join. 

I have done all of the work for you.  Please do so for the rest of us who have

to delete all of your messages.  We are here to discuss thyroid issues.  I am

very happy that you have found something to amuse yourselves with but please

keep it out of my inbox.  I don't have time do delete hundreds of messages that

I didn't sign up to recieve.  Otherwise i will just leave the group and possibly

join again in the future. 

Group name:

politicsandcrap

Group home page:

http://groups. / group/politicsan dcrap

Group email:

politicsandcrap

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[Guest guest]

Apartment rent control has been working in NYC for ages, and still is. I don't

notice the city falling to pieces.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> > I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

> > as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

>

> Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

> don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

> requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

> ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

[Guest guest]

I understand that you came from a farm, but have you ever been or

lived in a city? Things are very different in urban areas from rural

areas.

 

As far as the trickle down thing, it sure was a republican thing. It

was Raegan's thing. I voted for the man, silly me, and I remember

it sounded good, but it never worked. When the top has money,

as evidenced by some of the comments on this list, some of them

want to hold onto every penny, and wouldn't give up anything for

good workers, no matter what their production.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: <res075oh@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 7:19 PM

The " trickle down theory " is a straw man constructed by democrats to

describe what they say is official republican policy.  AFAIK it never was.

However, it does work.  Prime example is the small towns of such utter

poverty that we can hardly imagine in Somali  where the modern pirates

live.  The " trickle down " from the riches of the pirates has enriched

the entire population of the towns.

If you stop to think about it, it has to work.  If someone gains wealth

they have to spend it in order to obtain goods and services [if they

save it they don't get any more goods and services].  That means jobs

and incomes for the workers who provide the goods and services; some of

whom may live in Indonesia or some other place where an income of a

dollar or two per day puts you in the upper percentage of the country's

wealthy.

But don't let facts or logic interfere with your opinion...

..

..

> The trickle down theory is bullshit.

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