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[Guest guest]

Are you name calling AGAIN?????????????????????? STOP IT!

CRYSTAL

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Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

Crystal you wrote:

 

Federal employees received $95.1 million in bonuses

in 2007.

 

among other things that I have not the time nor the inclination to research

every word, which I am sure you haven't done either. FYI Obama was not in office

in 2007, guess

who was?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Valarie <val@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

Really?  Revenues increased considerably.  What didn't work?

Val

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Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

labors to give to YOUR causes.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

[Guest guest]

You've had things your way for 8 years. It bankrupted the country. Nows the

time to pay up or get out. Funny thing is that you're probably one of those

that is getting a tax break and Fox news has you raging with false info anyway.

Joe the plumber anyone?

On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:43 PM, " Valarie " <val@...> wrote:

Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

labors to give to YOUR causes.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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deifspirit@... <aspenfairy1> aspenfairy1

Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

[Guest guest]

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Plus,

> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

> years as they want.

You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

--

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

You should be ashamed that you don't respect the needs of poor people who

have to rely on governmental assistance because without that help they would

starve of become homeless.

If you don't want to help out the needy that is your choice as unethical as

it is. But don't you dare tell anyone that they shouldn't be on governmental

assistance because they need to get a job or go to school. That is

condescending, Steve because it is not that simple. In your secluded life

you don't get the concept that there are 1000's of people who live on the

brink and struggle everyday to provide for themselves and/or their families.

So, if they can get WIC or welfare or food stamps to survive one more day

that is perfectly OK.

Since you don't support a living wage, then how are these people supposed to

get off governmental assistance if they can't make decent wages.

I wonder how long you would last living on minimum wage, [ not a living

wage} working in a job where there is no chance of advancement, eeking out a

minimal existence living on the brink trying to provide for your family? A

day? A week? A month?

Why don't you give it a try, Steve and then report back and tell us how you

do.

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> Thy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

>> as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

>

> Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

> don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

> requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

> ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

>

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[Guest guest]

<I would dump them like them a hot potato,

do minimal repairs, and focus my efforts on more profitable ventures. >

what a jerk, you are steve. was correct you would be a land lord from

hell.

there are more important things in life than making a fortune, steve.

Helping out people in need, oh that is right you don't believe in helping

out anyone else but your self, nice.

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Re:

>>> Thy

>>>

>>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>>> you disagree?

>>>

>>>

>

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

He wasn't the only Obama appointee that had tax issues, there was:

Ron Kirk

Geithner

Tom Daschle

Killefer

Bill - being probed

Hilda Solis husband who paid off the day before her vote

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Um yes he did. He paid everything that was required of him.

> Plus, since he left his taxes to his CPA he didn't think he needed to check

> them over since he trusted his tax advisor, obliviously a mistake, ...

Having a bad (or crooked) CPA or tax accountant is no excuse before the

law for US citizens. IF my CPAs screw up, I would still have to pay any

penalties since I'm not an Obama appointee with connections.

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

in an free country people should have empathy towards people who have less

than you have. In a well run society, people look out for their neighbors

and help them when they need it.

That is not communism. You need to take a class in college.

But, I see you don't care about less fortunate people. Nice.

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Thy

Nancie, who is to say who needs what. This is not a communist where each is

entitled according to his need. If you wish to be entitled according to your

need and taxed according to your ability, you are in the wrong country.

In a free society, each person is entitled to the fruits of his labor. The

more that is infringed, the less free the entire society. You are not

entitled to the fruits of my labor no matter how much money I make from that

labor. With limited government - government performing only the functions

reserved to it in the US Constitution - freedom is maximized. The more the

central government strays off into areas not reserved to it in the

Constitution, the less free we all become. Who's wisdom is it that says any

free American should pay a higher tax RATE than any other free American? If

I have to pay a 50% rate on the fruits of my labor and you have to pay a 10%

rate, my freedom is being limited in favor of enhancing your freedom. That

doesn't cut it under the concept of equal treatment.

Could you please explain what you mean by a " greedy ruthless

administration " ? Exactly, how was the administration greedy and ruthless?

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

And once again, why do the wealthy Need any tax cuts??? They don't need any

tax cuts. That is a conservative attitude that wants to protect their kind,

just like the last 8 years with a greedy ruthless administration.

[Guest guest]

What revenues?? We have a record deficit. That deficit that bush racked up

is so large. There was ZERO deficit at the end of Clinton's administration,

then the idiot got in and during the next 8 years racked up unprecedented

spending and now we have a trillion dollar deficit.

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Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

Of course there is something to debate , Val but what is the point with

your narrow conservative view of life that has no empathy for needy people.

Bush did nothing to help out the country, he created an unneeded war where

over 4,000 young men and women have died and over 1 million Iraqi's have

died. Nice.

Teenage's can't get work not because the minimum wage has been increased,

but BECAUSE Bushie's administration created a economic crisis in this

country where the situation is so bad, that people are losing their jobs and

the employers who are still hiring want people with work experience and

teenagers usually don't have work experience, val.

I hope your family never gets jobs that are not living wages. But, I think

you should be required to work in a job that is not a living wage and see

how well you fare on a income that has not kept up with inflation. See how

long you stay afloat....

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Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

no, i did not.

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>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

You are correct.

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>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

--

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[Guest guest]

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> I wonder how many people on this list ever made a mistake on their taxes or

> had their tax advisor made a mistake? Or how many people in your

> neighborhood? Or how may in the last 8 years of that felonious

> administration?

Everyone will make mistakes be no own has the IQ to do it perfectly and

the tax code is so complex that doing it " right " for one part of the

code may be " wrong " for another part.

In 2006 by the way, if you went to the US Government Printing Office

(www.gpo.gov), you could have ordered a complete set of Title 26 of the

US Code of Federal Regulations (that's the part written by the IRS), all

twenty volumes of it, at the bargain price of $974, shipping included.

According to the US Government Printing Office, it was 13,458 pages in

total. The full text of Title 26 of the United States Code (the part

written by Congress-- was available for an additional $179) is a mere

3,387 printed pages, bringing the adjusted gross page count to 16,845.

For those religiously inclined who have never read the Bible, it has

about 1,200 or so pages depending on one's translation and it's a lot

less boring than the US tax code.

So, if you purchased your " cheap " copy of the US tax code in 2006 for

$974+$179 or $1153 and read it cover to cover to make sure you were

doing everything legal and assuming there are no gray areas, then you

had as much of a chance of doing everything right, getting all your

deductions, and declaring all your income as a snowball has a chance of

surviving in hell.

I think we need an amendment to the US constitution making an effective

change to the sixteenth amendment to make it so that most Americans

(average American IQ is 98) can understand and fill out their taxes for

their personal income and their small business. It should be simple and

not require a team of tax accountants and CPAs to comprehensively do

your taxes correctly. The tax code should be, say, less that a dozen

pages. I doubt that any tax account has read the tax code cover to

cover, let alone understands it.

The average American can do their very best to do their taxes and the

IRS can still make their lives a living hell. And if you want to get a

copy of the tax code today, check out the new prices:

http://bookstore.gpo.gov/baskets/cfr-listing.jsp

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[Guest guest]

Oh I see. The economic melt down was because of poor people buying homes.

Thanks for explaining.

________________________________

From: Valarie <val@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:24:09 AM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

She parroting Fox news misinformation. She's watching it now I'm sure.

________________________________

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 5:56:56 PM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

What revenues?? We have a record deficit. That deficit that bush racked up

is so large. There was ZERO deficit at the end of Clinton's administration,

then the idiot got in and during the next 8 years racked up unprecedented

spending and now we have a trillion dollar deficit.

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Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

I seem to remember something about, " Thou shall not suffer a witch to

live... " or similar. And also, " Love thy neighbor... " Suppose your

new neighbor is a member of the Wiccan faith. You're supposed to love

him and go over and kill him???

There's nothing in the Bible that isn't already in a number of other

creation myths; often repeatedly. I believe it was Luke who asserted

the immaculate conception idea for the birth of Jesus. Why? Wasn't

Luke a Greek, in whose cultural heritage any god worthy of mention had

to be born of a virgin? And the whole matter seems to have escaped the

attention of , Mark and .

If there are deep truths in the Bible you aren't going to find them

reading the myths for superficial content. They're buried much deeper

than that. IMHO.

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> Posted by: " Crystal " sweetnwright@...

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> sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1>

>

>

> Wed Apr 8, 2009 9:08 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> However, if you ever did any real study of the Bible you would know that

> those things were only allowed by God, never condoned. We live in a fallen

> world and my suspicion is if you knew the history of the Bible and the

> circumstances, for lack of a better word, you wouldn't able to deny its

> greatness (for lack of a better word). Only the Holy SPirit could open you

> up to that kind of understanding, maybe. SOmetimes logic kicks in though

> and you could still be amazed.

> CW

[Guest guest]

Sorry, Nancie. There seems to be a three year statute of limitations. I just

check it out.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

> Plus,

> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

> years as they want.

You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

--

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[Guest guest]

Just tell us EXACTLY what Hannity told YOU... or give us a link.

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From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 4:10:41 PM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

If I recall right democrats took over a couple years after Bush's election.

Having a republican president doesn't give us a republican country. Duh

CW

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Thy

You've had things your way for 8 years. It bankrupted the country. Nows the

time to pay up or get out. Funny thing is that you're probably one of those

that is getting a tax break and Fox news has you raging with false info

anyway. Joe the plumber anyone?

On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:43 PM, " Valarie " <val@...> wrote:

Nancie, I think it is wonderful that you are a liberal. I admire how much

you care for people and animals. We need more people like you. IMHO, you

are free to give away anything that belongs to YOU; that is, the fruit of

your labors. You, however, are not free to confiscate the fruits of MY

labors to give to YOUR causes.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

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Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

> Oh I see. The economic melt down was because of poor people buying homes.

Thanks for explaining.

That was the funniest thing I've read in this news group for a long

time. Good one.

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[Guest guest]

Most of what you said was true. Bush did use up the money Clinton left in the

treasury, but because of the deficit that Bush left, Obama has caused a larger

deficit to try to get the country stable again, to say nothing of the entire

world reacting to this and also becoming unstable.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 5:56 PM

What revenues?? We have a record deficit. That deficit that bush racked up

is so large. There was ZERO deficit at the end of Clinton's administration,

then the idiot got in and during the next 8 years racked up unprecedented

spending and now we have a trillion dollar deficit.

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Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Nancie. See below...

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> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett " deifspirit@...

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> aspenfairy1 <aspenfairy1>

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>

> Wed Apr 8, 2009 12:18 am (PDT)

>

>

>

> Steve-

> Like I said you are out of touch and sound extremely republican and short

> sighted. The concept of a living wage is not a Kooky idea at all. In fact

> cities and local and state governments have struggled with that

> concept for

> years.

..

..

It's really none of the government's business what wages are in a free

market system. The employee in such a system tries to get 10 times what

he is worth and the employer tries to pay 1/10 what he is worth. Once a

qualified employee is willing to do the work for the offered salary to

pay more is to pay too much. That is the optimal system; whether the

salary is 10 cents per hour or $100,000. Any government interference

will ultimately provide a worse outcome. That's not really a short

sighted view, as the short term effects of moving rapidly in that

direction would be painful. It's in the long term that it would really

shine.

..

..

> It is a FACT that inflation and the cost of living has outpaced

..

..

If you have the slightest concern about massive inflation you should run

screaming from Obama's and the democrats injection of trillions of

dollars into the economy. How can it possibly NOT cause massive

inflation; much worse than we've ever seen? The wealthy will have high

priced lawyers and accountants to alleviate their contribution to

repaying these vast sums; it's the working stiff who will take it in the

shorts for generations. Which means they will have even less after

taxes to support a family. As a matter of fact it may just be the final

nail in the coffin of the United States.

..

..

> sustainable wages aka a living wage that allow people to provide a decent

> life for their themselves and their families. Everything costs more and

> people have to choose what to pay for, their food or rent/mortgage or

> health

> care or utilities or gas, etc. It is moral and ethical for this society to

> make sure that all people living here have the capacity to have a decent

> life.

..

..

You can set it as a moral or ethical requirement if you want; but that's

not what you're doing. You're setting it as a LEGAL requirement; which

is stealing from the productive to support the unproductive. The sole

imperative for the government WRT someone's " decent life " is to insure

" life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness " to whatever extent possible

and reasonable. No where in the constitution or in any of the founding

papers of our country is there any requirement whatsoever that the

government provide food, shelter, clothing or anything else of a

consumer nature. Rather that imperative is laid upon the charities by

our cultural heritage for those unable to provide for themselves; and to

the individual/parent in all other cases. To transfer it to the

responsibility of the government is a really dumb liberal idea without

foundation in the origins of our country.

..

..

> I for one care about everyone having a chance to have a better life

> and to have decent wages and to not struggle everyday of their lives

> just to

> provide for their families.

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The very best way to do that is to get the government totally out of the

business of being the nanny state and allow the free market system to

function. We would not presently be pouring trillions of dollars into

the coffers of failed businesses [banks, mortgage companies, AIG & etc.]

if we heeded that simple idea.

[Guest guest]

Please use Google. There are two date. The magic numbers are 3 years

and 10 years. You figure out what applies to what instead of spouting

off again and again.

My point was that you made up sh*t by saying: " Plus, there is no statue

of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many ears as they want. "

Do you care that you are making up sh*t?

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Steve-

> a neighbor just got slammed with a tax audit that went back 10 years. It

> seems that he did not pay his entire taxes during those years, so the IRS is

> going after him for ALL 10 years.

> So, it seems that your reference is OUT of DATE. Apparently, since so many

> people in the USA don't pay their taxes in full, the IRS is going after them

> for more than 3 years.

> As far as the creative imagination goes, you can go piss off.

>

>

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> Thy

>

>

>

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> Plus,

>> there is no statue of limitations for the IRS, they can go after as many

>> years as they want.

>

> You have a very creative imagination constantly make claims about

> government laws and constitutional issues that are completely wrong:

>

> Under section 6501(a) of the Internal Revenue Code (Tax Code) and

> section 301.6501(a)-1(a) of the Income Tax Regulations (Tax

> Regulations), the IRS is required to assess tax within 3 years after the

> tax return was filed with the IRS. Similarly, under 301.6501(a)-1( of

> the Tax Regulations no proceeding in court by the IRS without assessment

> for the collection of any tax can begin after the expiration of 3 years.

>

> What is clear is that the IRS CANNOT go after as many years as they want.

>

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[Guest guest]

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Lets see, how many of them withdrew after it was announced. Obama doesn't

> have a crystal ball that tell him when POTENTIAL nominees screwed up on

> their taxes.

> I wonder what the IRS would find if they audited you for lets say 10 years..

> ...

Wonder away. The biggest mistake that the IRS ever found in my tax

returns were an overpayment (which they refunded) and an accidental swap

between two SS numbers which had no effect on taxes. I tend to try to

stay away from gray areas and I'd rather have the IRS have to pay me

every time they audit until it just gets old.

> Since they are extending the time frame to more than 10 years, since there

Really. I think you are making up more sh*t.

> are so many people in the country who submitted incorrect tax statements

> either being their fault of their tax preparer's fault.

The tax code wastes the productivity of people who could be better

employed doing something productive.

>

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> Thy

>

>

>

>

> He wasn't the only Obama appointee that had tax issues, there was:

>

> Ron Kirk

> Geithner

> Tom Daschle

> Killefer

> Bill - being probed

> Hilda Solis husband who paid off the day before her vote

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> Um yes he did. He paid everything that was required of him.

>> Plus, since he left his taxes to his CPA he didn't think he needed to

> check

>> them over since he trusted his tax advisor, obliviously a mistake, ...

>

> Having a bad (or crooked) CPA or tax accountant is no excuse before the

> law for US citizens. IF my CPAs screw up, I would still have to pay any

> penalties since I'm not an Obama appointee with connections.

>

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[Guest guest]

I have a tax rebate check for $893 that I haven't bother to deposit yet.

It was the second one I received. The first one was cut by $893 bucks

because I transposed two of my children's SS numbers in the past and it

carried on as I used old tax returns to get general information for new

tax returns. I corrected the SS number to the right one and the IRS

sent me the rest of the rebate check PLUS interest. The first one was

already deposited. I had to decrease my deductions by over $10,000 as

not claiming them to created about $50 in taxes owed was required to

triggered the tax rebate. My accountant wasn't sure what the trigger

points were with the IRS but one is not required by law to declare all

their deductions. So, my net gain was $1200 minus the $50 bucks in

federal taxes I had to generate plus the interest the IRS paid me. If

one has a high enough income and then doesn't have to pay taxes, there

was no rebate. Paying $50 to get $1200 is always a good move. The law

does not require one to use all their deductions or any of them for that

matter.

The two rebate checks added up to more that 1200 since the second one

was delayed and the IRS paid interest on that one. Cool. However, Then

I get this income statement on the interest from the IRS to file this

year as part of my income for 2008. No complaints.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> cindy

> I made 100,000.00 dollars last year and I got 300.00 dollars. My friend made

> 50,000 and still only got 300.00 and my other friend made 40,000 and also

> only got 300.00. The only people who got more were Married or joint filers.

>

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>>

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>> Those of us who didn't get 'direct' tax cuts got tax 'rebate' checks, many

> of which resulted in a zero tax liability for the year. Those who didn't get

> either a tax 'cut' or a tax 'rebate' didn't pay 'taxes' to begin with. How

> can you cut zero tax liability to anything less, without it becoming just

> another form of 'welfare'? And, in addition to those 'tax rebates', the

> standard deduction (for those who don't itemize) increased as did the

> dependent tax credits, the first of which served to increase the exempt

> portion of income, the 2nd to directly offset the final tax liability...

>>

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