Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

[Guest guest]

My argument stems form ACTUAL experience with the poor in this country . I

work with the poor and I have run a homeless health clinic in the past,

nothing has changed, except that the need is greater than before from the

failed policies of the last republican administration!

Maybe You should read for starters : " The public assault on America's

children; Poverty, violence and juvenile injustice " by Polakow;

There are no children here " by Kotlowitz; " No place to be, voices of

homeless children " by Judith Berk; " Life and death on the south side of

Chicago " by LeAlan and Lioyd Newman; " amazing Grace, the lives of

children and the conscience of a nation " by Kozol. This author has

also written many other books on poverty of children in America; " wasting

America's future " by n wright edelman; " a prayer for children " by Ina

; " wasted , the plight of America's unwanted children " by T.

; " no matter how loud I shout " by edward humes; " the shame of a

nation " by Kozol; " somebody else's children " by Hubner and

Jill wolfson; " i speak for this child " by gay courter; " growing up poor " by

coles, randy testa and michael coles; " almost lost " edited by

Beatrice sparks; " solomon " s sword " by michael shapiro; " and still we rise "

by miles corwin; " children of crisis, vols 1 and 2 " by robert coles;

families in peril " by marian wright edelman; " the state of america's

children, yearbook 2002 " by the children's defense fund.

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> Thy

>

> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

> you disagree?

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

that is exactly right. I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets. Closing

the mental health hospitals was not the answer. In the city where I live, we

have one of the highest percentage of homeless. It is a despicable. There

are not enough shelter beds and thus we have 100's of families living in

their cars or abandoned buildings or under over passes and storm channels

and in the brush.

That sentence is so out of touch from reality. News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! Even the

state public universities fees are going up and many young adults are having

to drop out of school because they or their parents can't afford the

increases. UCLA keeps increasing the tuition and fees and many students are

having to drop out because they can't pay the costs. Plus, the availability

of student loans is less because Fannie Mae failed remember? And they had to

be taken over by the government. There are not that many student loans out

there because many of them were underwritten by private banks like B of A,

which is in deep financial crap right now.

With the continuing cycle of poverty , many poor people feel what is the

point in education if there are no jobs in the first place. Entire towns

across America are Dying because there are no jobs or tax bases there.

Companies and businesses have closed, people are living in ghost towns. How

are they suppose to survive without governmental assistance?

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> Thy

>

> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

> you disagree?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I offered a book for free, a new copy dirrect from amazon.com, that

responds to this and other socialist falicies. Here are some of the

subjects it addresses:

* Outsourcing (why it's good for Americans) and zoning restrictions (why

they're not)

* Why central planning has never worked and never will

* How prices operate in a free market (and why socialist schemes like

rent control always backfire)

* How labor unions actually hurt workers more than they help them

* Why increasing the minimum wage is always a bad idea

* Why the free market is the best guard against racism

* How capitalism will save the environment--and why Communist countries

were the most polluted on earth

* Raising taxes: why it is never " responsible "

* Why no genuine advocate for the downtrodden could endorse the

dehumanizing Welfare State

* The single biggest myth underlying the public's support for government

regulation of business

* Antitrust suits: usually filed by firms that lose in free competition

* How tariffs and other restrictions " protect " privileged workers but

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* The IMF and World Bank: why they don't help poor countries

The Politically Incorrect Guide to Capitalism (Politically Incorrect

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Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> My argument stems form ACTUAL experience with the poor in this country . I

> work with the poor and I have run a homeless health clinic in the past,

> nothing has changed, except that the need is greater than before from the

> failed policies of the last republican administration!

> Maybe You should read for starters : " The public assault on America's

> children; Poverty, violence and juvenile injustice " by Polakow;

> There are no children here " by Kotlowitz; " No place to be, voices of

> homeless children " by Judith Berk; " Life and death on the south side of

> Chicago " by LeAlan and Lioyd Newman; " amazing Grace, the lives of

> children and the conscience of a nation " by Kozol. This author has

> also written many other books on poverty of children in America; " wasting

> America's future " by n wright edelman; " a prayer for children " by Ina

> ; " wasted , the plight of America's unwanted children " by T.

> ; " no matter how loud I shout " by edward humes; " the shame of a

> nation " by Kozol; " somebody else's children " by Hubner and

> Jill wolfson; " i speak for this child " by gay courter; " growing up poor " by

> coles, randy testa and michael coles; " almost lost " edited by

> Beatrice sparks; " solomon " s sword " by michael shapiro; " and still we rise "

> by miles corwin; " children of crisis, vols 1 and 2 " by robert coles;

> families in peril " by marian wright edelman; " the state of america's

> children, yearbook 2002 " by the children's defense fund.

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

--

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

> as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

News flash Steve, rent control does work when it is operated correctly. The

city of Santa is an example.

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>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

--

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[Guest guest]

This books Screams of conservative republican BS

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>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

--

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[Guest guest]

Steve-

you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

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Thy

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

> as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

--

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" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

Those really poor Asians, are at the homeless shelters getting

benefits just like everyone else. I think you need to open your eyes and

come down to China town and Korean town and see the poverty that is all over

the place. There are homeless Asians, because families are not as close knit

as they once were. The younger generation does not want to take care of

their parents anymore so the elderly are getting tossed out on the streets.

<We would actually

have FEWER deaths if we eliminated ALL welfare and let those die who

could not provide for themselves; >

Wow, that sentence says it all. The very fact that you would even write that

in a post is very telling. People with empathy would never even think that.

It doesn't matter that you say you don't support that, you still consciously

wrote it down, very disappointing to say the least.

Yes, I am a liberal democrat and I am damn proud of it! I will never stop

caring about people who are in need and I will never stop advocating for

them or for the animals.

I am proud to say that I have worked with the Kennedy's and the 's and

the shrivers.

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> Thy

>

> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

> you disagree?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I should be ashamed because I won't do what your want and don't find it

criminal to live my life differently than yours or should I be ashamed

because I would never have turned Jews over to the gestapo and would

have disobeyed that law in Germany or I should be ashamed because I

won't die for oil, even if the law requires it. Which is it?

See definition of ashamed at <http://www.thefreedictionary.com/ashamed>

I think you missed the boat. I don't feel guilt anymore since I cannot

be shamed and have every right to live my life as I see fit, your

condescending attitude notwithstanding.

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> Steve-

> you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

>

>

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

> Thy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> I work with the homeless and it is criminal that we

>> as a wealthy society don't do anything to get them off the streets.

>

> Criminal is when one breaks the law, not when someone does something you

> don't agree with. Not all laws ought to be obeyed. Laws in Germany

> requiring you to out Jews were immoral. There are US laws as well that

> ought to be ignored, like any form of draft/enslavement.

>

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to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

And Oakland is going to hell. As a real estate investor, I would NEVER

invest in a rent controlled area as most likely, I would loose money and

loose big. IN fact, if I had rentals in an area that I thought was

going to be rent controlled, I would dump them like them a hot potato,

do minimal repairs, and focus my efforts on more profitable ventures.

Most investors would stop investing there. The ratio of rentals to

renters would go down. Many renters would have to travel long distances

to work in a rent controlled area since rental units would not increase.

With rent control, someone controls your property and you have to kiss

their ass. You want people to tell you how to live, what to invest in,

how much to make, when to give away your time and resources, and in

every way to control your life. Why do you like slavery so much?

O, and as to Santa , you are wrong.

Rending rent control.

http://www.articlearchives.com/law-legal-system/property-law-real-property-rent-\

control/921855-1.html

The 1994 January 17 earth-quake resulted in condemning 3,100 of 28,000

rental units in Santa . Landlords couldn't get loans because the

rent controls would not allow them to raise rents to pay back the loan.

Given a choice between losing money or not repairing the property -

guess what they did given they couldn't get loans? Santa also

has " down zoning " laws. If a large 50 unit building is torn down or

condemned, it must be replaced by a smaller building, like 10 units,

lowering the rental stock in the city. The result of rent control is to

lower the stock of rental units.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_taking

" Regulatory taking refers to a situation in which a government regulates

a property to such a degree that the regulation effectively amounts to

an exercise of the government's eminent domain power without actually

divesting the property's owner of title to the property. "

In Cashman v. City of Cotati, the 9th circuit ruled that rental control

was a " regulatory taking " and the US supreme court has agreed to hear

the appeal.

Rent control is a failure in Santa .

Steve

Nancie Barnett wrote:

> News flash Steve, rent control does work when it is operated correctly. The

> city of Santa is an example.

>

> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>>> Thy

>>>

>>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>>> you disagree?

>>>

>>>

>

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[Guest guest]

That should be " Berkeley, not Oakland.

Steve

Steve wrote:

> And Oakland is going to hell. As a real estate investor, I would NEVER

> invest in a rent controlled area as most likely, I would loose money and

> loose big. IN fact, if I had rentals in an area that I thought was

> going to be rent controlled, I would dump them like them a hot potato,

> do minimal repairs, and focus my efforts on more profitable ventures.

> Most investors would stop investing there. The ratio of rentals to

> renters would go down. Many renters would have to travel long distances

> to work in a rent controlled area since rental units would not increase.

> With rent control, someone controls your property and you have to kiss

> their ass. You want people to tell you how to live, what to invest in,

> how much to make, when to give away your time and resources, and in

> every way to control your life. Why do you like slavery so much?

>

> O, and as to Santa , you are wrong.

> Rending rent control.

>

http://www.articlearchives.com/law-legal-system/property-law-real-property-rent-\

control/921855-1.html

>

> The 1994 January 17 earth-quake resulted in condemning 3,100 of 28,000

> rental units in Santa . Landlords couldn't get loans because the

> rent controls would not allow them to raise rents to pay back the loan.

> Given a choice between losing money or not repairing the property -

> guess what they did given they couldn't get loans? Santa also

> has " down zoning " laws. If a large 50 unit building is torn down or

> condemned, it must be replaced by a smaller building, like 10 units,

> lowering the rental stock in the city. The result of rent control is to

> lower the stock of rental units.

>

> See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulatory_taking

> " Regulatory taking refers to a situation in which a government regulates

> a property to such a degree that the regulation effectively amounts to

> an exercise of the government's eminent domain power without actually

> divesting the property's owner of title to the property. "

>

> In Cashman v. City of Cotati, the 9th circuit ruled that rental control

> was a " regulatory taking " and the US supreme court has agreed to hear

> the appeal.

>

> Rent control is a failure in Santa .

>

> Steve

>

> Nancie Barnett wrote:

>> News flash Steve, rent control does work when it is operated correctly. The

>> city of Santa is an example.

>>

>> -- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>>>> Thy

>>>>

>>>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>>>> you disagree?

>>>>

>>>>

>

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[Guest guest]

How about a tax increase if they are so ungrateful for the wonderful things this

country

does for them? An American company should not have to get special tax cuts to do

the

right thing. I don't, do you?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Crystal <sweetnwright@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 10:04 PM

One reason to give the wealthy tax cuts is so they will keep their companies

here in America ; )

Traveling?  Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

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Thy

Once again: It's not a matter of need. It is a matter of owning what

you earn, whether it's a lot or not.

..

..

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam@

com?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Cows%2C%20Geopolitics%2C%20and%20Big%20Business%20Re%3

%20%5Bhypothyroidism%5D%20Re%3A%20Thy>

> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Tue Apr 7, 2009 5:06 pm (PDT)

>

> And the Republicans have contributed to the general welfare? How, by

> giving tax cuts to the wealthy that don't need them?

>

> Roni

[Guest guest]

Nancie, Tax cheat Geitner paid back taxes for two years. He did not pay all

of them because the statute of limitations had run out on two other years.

Cheat? He didn't admit a thing until he was caught.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

At least he corrected it and admitted it.

[Guest guest]

Nancie, who is to say who needs what. This is not a communist where each is

entitled according to his need. If you wish to be entitled according to your

need and taxed according to your ability, you are in the wrong country.

In a free society, each person is entitled to the fruits of his labor. The

more that is infringed, the less free the entire society. You are not

entitled to the fruits of my labor no matter how much money I make from that

labor. With limited government - government performing only the functions

reserved to it in the US Constitution - freedom is maximized. The more the

central government strays off into areas not reserved to it in the

Constitution, the less free we all become. Who's wisdom is it that says any

free American should pay a higher tax RATE than any other free American? If

I have to pay a 50% rate on the fruits of my labor and you have to pay a 10%

rate, my freedom is being limited in favor of enhancing your freedom. That

doesn't cut it under the concept of equal treatment.

Could you please explain what you mean by a " greedy ruthless

administration " ? Exactly, how was the administration greedy and ruthless?

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

And once again, why do the wealthy Need any tax cuts??? They don't need any

tax cuts. That is a conservative attitude that wants to protect their kind,

just like the last 8 years with a greedy ruthless administration.

[Guest guest]

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

You expected something else? Did you hear those idiots chanting " Drill baby,

drill " , because someone told them too? Its like a cult.

________________________________

From: Nancie Barnett <deifspirit@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 1:05:02 AM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

This books Screams of conservative republican BS

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

>> Thy

>>

>> Hmmm, I thought he had a pretty good handle on it. With what part do

>> you disagree?

>>

>>

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[Guest guest]

left out that it didn't work for anyone who didn't have enough money to get

the tax cut in the first place.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Valarie <val@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

Really?  Revenues increased considerably.  What didn't work?

Val

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

I agree about illegal aliens. As far as the minimum wage is concerned, how much

does it cost you to feed your family per person per week? Why do you think it's

all right for you to be able to feed yourself and your family, but you don't

support fair treatment of all Americans to get a decent wage (not that minimum

wage is decent, but it's a start). With homes being what they cost, food up in

price every week, gas going crazy, heat and electric being ridiculous, why do

you object to people who are WORKING and not sponging off the government (which

I know you don't like) being able to house, clothe and feed their families?

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: Valarie <val@...>

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:24 AM

News flash!  There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers.  Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. "   Bush backed down.  Republicans didn't fight.  McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue.  Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

You are misinformed. This report shows that in each of the four years following

the 1981 and 2001 tax cuts, revenue markedly declined. In contrast, following

the 1993 tax increases, revenue increased. Just because you hear something Rush

Limbaugh says does mean its true. Think for yourself... google is your friend.

http://www.ustreas.gov/offices/tax-policy/library/ota81.pdf

BTW...poor people got poorer over the last 8 years. The trickle down theory is

bullshit. If the greedy bastards must be forced to part with their fair

share... so be it. Let them leave the country if they have no common decency

(or patriotism).

________________________________

From: Valarie <val@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 8:56:43 AM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

[Guest guest]

You want to approve hunting of illegals from helicopters don't you? Nutjob.

________________________________

From: Valarie <val@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 9:24:09 AM

Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

jobs.

Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

committee.

There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

been jacked up by the liberals.

Val

Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

News flash there is not

enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

Fannie Mae failed remember?

[Guest guest]

The reference was to the fact that the rich got richer and the poor stayed

poor. A person will never be able to see the forest, if that person can only

concentrate on the trees in front of him/her.

Roni

<>Just because something

isn't seen doesn't mean it's

not there<>

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:46 AM

Those of us who didn't get 'direct' tax cuts got tax 'rebate' checks, many of

which resulted in a zero tax liability for the year.  Those who didn't get

either a tax 'cut' or a tax 'rebate' didn't pay 'taxes' to begin with.  How can

you cut zero tax liability to anything less, without it becoming just another

form of 'welfare'?  And, in addition to those 'tax rebates', the standard

deduction (for those who don't itemize) increased as did the dependent tax

credits, the first of which served to increase the exempt portion of income, the

2nd to directly offset the final tax liability...

>

>

> From: Valarie <val@...>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

>

>

> Really?  Revenues increased considerably.  What didn't work?

>

> Val

>

>

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>

>

> Posted by: " "

>

>

> Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's hilarious. The little guy got a check for $300 to keep them quiet and

their home values were artificially inflated to make them FEEL rich... all the

while the country was looted by the Republicans.

If you watched closely you would have seen that the bankruptcy laws and credit

card rules were changed at the height of the " prosperity " bracing for the bubble

to pop. They knew exactly what they were doing.

The Republicans rule by misinformation and Fox news is their propaganda machine.

________________________________

From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

hypothyroidism

Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2009 10:46:32 AM

Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

Those of us who didn't get 'direct' tax cuts got tax 'rebate' checks, many of

which resulted in a zero tax liability for the year. Those who didn't get

either a tax 'cut' or a tax 'rebate' didn't pay 'taxes' to begin with. How can

you cut zero tax liability to anything less, without it becoming just another

form of 'welfare'? And, in addition to those 'tax rebates', the standard

deduction (for those who don't itemize) increased as did the dependent tax

credits, the first of which served to increase the exempt portion of income, the

2nd to directly offset the final tax liability...

>

>

> From: Valarie <val@...>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

>

>

> Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

>

> Val

>

>

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>

> Posted by: " "

>

>

> Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Roni Molin wrote:

> I agree about illegal aliens.

I don't. I think that the ability of labor to move to where there is

work and change jobs to better their condition results in the greatest

standard of living ON average for all. Limiting the movement of labor

even with immigration restrictions lowers the standard of living for

all. I am against any form of immigration restrictions or we should

just blow the statue of liberty up.

> As far as the minimum wage is concerned, how much does it cost you to feed

your family per person per week?

$20,000/week, sometimes more.

> Why do you think it's all right for you to be able to feed yourself and your

family,

Because the government doesn't have the right to decide if I get to feed

my family AND I have earned all my income the old fashion way, I worked

for it.

And now the disconnect.

> but you don't support fair treatment of all Americans to get a decent wage

(not that minimum wage is decent, but it's a start).

I support the fair treatment of ALL PEOPLE. FAIR is that each and every

person ought to receive all the wages they agreed too, and are ethically

and legally entitled to no more. Transfer of goods and services without

just compensation is theft. An accurate wage is exactly the amount an

employer is willing to pay for the labor preformed. If the employer

isn't willing to pay sufficient, no one will do the job. If one wants

to receive greater wages, they need to improve their skills so the value

of their work increases up to the standard of living they desire.

> With homes being what they cost, food up in price every week, gas going crazy,

heat and electric being ridiculous, why do you object to people who are WORKING

and not sponging off the government (which I know you don't like) being able to

house, clothe and feed their families?

Red herring. No one is advocating taking from anyone the fruit of their

labor. What we are saying is that taking from someone what they have

worked for and giving it someone who has not created that wealth is theft.

Karl Marx popularized the slogan " From each according to his ability, to

each according to his need " .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_each_according_to_his_ability,_to_each_accordi\

ng_to_his_need

The phrase summarizes the principles that, under a communist system,

every person should contribute to society to the best of his ability and

consume from society in proportion to his needs, regardless of how much

he has contributed. In the Marxist view, such an arrangement will be

made possible by the abundance of goods and services that a developed

communist society will produce; the idea is that there will be enough to

satisfy everyone's needs.

As we know, that failed.

You advocate the Marxist version of communism.

I recommend that if you really want to be a communist, that you form a

commune with other like minded people and live according to that slogan

in your commune. That should clear up any cognitive dissonance you

might have without forcing anyone to live in your commune. If this is

really a successful strategy, then your success will become apparent and

others will join. No need to force anyone to join or agree with you.

Each group should be able to form and live in the communities they desire.

Steve

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

>

> From: Valarie <val@...>

> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 9:24 AM

>

>

> News flash! There are 20 million illegals in this country taking American

> jobs.

>

> Fannie and Freddie failed because Congress, under and Clinton,

> mandated banks loan to unworthy borrowers. Five years ago, Geo Bush tried

> to rein them in and Barney screamed " discrimination against poor

> people. " Bush backed down. Republicans didn't fight. McCain also

> tried a couple of years ago but his bill died in a Democrat controlled

> committee.

>

> There is nothing above with which to argue. Those are all provable facts.

>

> BTW, more teenagers would be working now if the minimum wage hadn't have

> been jacked up by the liberals.

>

> Val

>

> Posted by: " Nancie Barnett "

>

>

> Thu Apr 9, 2009 12:45 am (PDT)

>

> News flash there is not

> enough jobs and more people are going to be losing their jobs before it

> evens out and not everyone can afford to go to higher education! E

>

> Fannie Mae failed remember?

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

http://www.cato-at-liberty.org/2009/01/12/making-work-destroying-wealth/

[i am reminded of a story that a businessman told me a few years ago.

While touring China, he came upon a team of nearly 100 workers building

an earthen dam with shovels. The businessman commented to a local

official that, with an earth-moving machine, a single worker could

create the dam in an afternoon. The official’s curious response was,

“Yes, but think of all the unemployment that would create.” “Oh,” said

the businessman, “I thought you were building a dam. If it’s jobs you

want to create, then take away their shovels and give them spoons!”]

Steve

Roni Molin wrote:

> The reference was to the fact that the rich got richer and the poor stayed

poor. A person will never be able to see the forest, if that person can only

concentrate on the trees in front of him/her.

>

> Roni

> <>Just because something

> isn't seen doesn't mean it's

> not there<>

>

>

>

>

> From: cindy.seeley <cindy.seeley@...>

> Subject: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

> hypothyroidism

> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 10:46 AM

>

>

> Those of us who didn't get 'direct' tax cuts got tax 'rebate' checks, many of

which resulted in a zero tax liability for the year. Those who didn't get

either a tax 'cut' or a tax 'rebate' didn't pay 'taxes' to begin with. How can

you cut zero tax liability to anything less, without it becoming just another

form of 'welfare'? And, in addition to those 'tax rebates', the standard

deduction (for those who don't itemize) increased as did the dependent tax

credits, the first of which served to increase the exempt portion of income, the

2nd to directly offset the final tax liability...

>

>

>

>>

>>

>> From: Valarie <val@...>

>> Subject: Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re: Thy

>> hypothyroidism

>> Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

>>

>>

>> Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

>>

>> Val

>>

>>

>> <hypothyroidism/message/46638;_ylc=X3oDMTJxbGY

>> yMTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDNDY

>> 2MzgEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIzOTI2MDkxMw-->

>>

>>

>> Posted by: " "

>>

>>

>> Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.

--

Steve - dudescholar4@...

Take World's Smallest Political Quiz at

http://www.theadvocates.org/quiz.html

" If a thousand old beliefs were ruined on our march

to truth we must still march on. " --Stopford

[Guest guest]

If you wanna find some money follow the pigs. $13.8 million in gvt waste,

including San Diego’s outdoor surfboard museum paid for, in part, by federal

$ or Stimulus money going to a Microsoft bridge or $3.1 million to turn a

canal barge into a floating museum. Congress has spent $136.3 billion each

week it has been in session. Congress has spent $26.7 billion each day it

has been in session this year. Page 72 of the budget admits it increases the

federal debt by $4.9 trillion, rising by " $16,200 on every U.S. Citizen " The

budget is only 73 pages long, but manages to borrow more than $1 trillion

from the next generation. Congress earmarked $13.5M for malfunctioning

planes no longer in use. Federal employees received $95.1 million in bonuses

in 2007. $1.5 trillion in waste, including millions for the construction of

a “road to nowhere” $3.5 million for a birthday celebration NSF funds wine

making classes in Arkansas http://bit.ly/zT8Zw

Should I keep going? This is from Tom Coburn who worked with Obama to

reduce federal spending. Of course b4 he became prez

Traveling? Know someone who is? Use my travelocity site www.travelfhtm

com/crystalwright

-- Re: Cows, Geopolitics, and Big Business Re: Re:

Thy

hypothyroidism

Date: Thursday, April 9, 2009, 8:56 AM

Really? Revenues increased considerably. What didn't work?

Val

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yMTczBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDNDY

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Posted by: " "

Yeah, right. We just tried the tax cuts for 8 years. IT DIDN'T WORK.