Hello there, y'all

[Guest guest]

Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace

inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease.

I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid,

adrenals, and testosterone.

I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the

drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated my

adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might even

try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone problems

are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels.

Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these

hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low hormones

levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death.

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

,

You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your own

words, it seems to me that you do.

You have gained weight, obviously have food cravings,

taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for your

heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I

hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia and

high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

hypothyroidism.

That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that

lots of people don't really know what is wrong with

them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They

really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are

the doctors not putting all this together and treating

us properly?

Roni

--- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

>

> I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well,

> maybe hay fever. I

> could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at

> 187]; but then I went

> out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four

> ribs, one plate of

> watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice

> cream with peanuts and

> chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions and

> peppers, and broccoli.

>

> I'll probably have another snack before I go to bed.

> I'm 66 years old.

> I do take several pills [besides Synthroid],

> including baby aspirin and

> Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171],

> verapamil, and Allegra

> for allergies. I take them all, including the

> Synthroid, at one time,

> and don't worry about any interaction; either with

> food or each other.

>

> It would have to have more kick than cocaine to make

> me feel much better.

>

> Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg]

> Actually, when I have a

> health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and

> this site seems a good

> place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

>

>

>

> >

> > Re: Hello there, y'all

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB

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> >

> >

> >

> > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 "

> sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> >

>

<mailto:sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all>

> > sweetenloe1

> <sweetenloe1

<sweetenloe1> >

> >

> >

> > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST)

> >

> > ,

> > with all due respect, how do you know that you

> couldn't feel 100

> > times better on armour than on T4? And what in the

> world is AFAIK (a

> > fake?)?

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this

> would tend to be self

> > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of

> the population who

> > does

> > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor

> is likely to prescribe?

> > >

> > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have

> no problems. But that

> > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms

> other than elevated TSH

> > > without taking Synthroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > >

> > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion

> groups for about 4 years,

> > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of

> members doing well on T4.

> > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > >

> > > > Sam :-o

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about

going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee

hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine,

but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least.

Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO

weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel

like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the

libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most

30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut

him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to

feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND

HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd

chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with

the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te).

I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was

getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid

gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old...

I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last

October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd

tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the

first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally

HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but

I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh

, if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before

RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for

your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor

and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie

pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning>

In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY

anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both.

Sam :-D

> > >

> > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be

self

> > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population

who

> > does

> > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to

prescribe?

> > >

> > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems.

But that

> > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than

elevated TSH

> > > without taking Synthroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > >

> > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4

years,

> > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well

on T4.

> > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > >

> > > > Sam :-o

>

[Guest guest]

Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you do

soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!!

Crystal

-- Re: Hello there, y'all

Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about

going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee

hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine,

but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least.

Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO

weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel

like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the

libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most

30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut

him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to

feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND

HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd

chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with

the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te).

I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was

getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid

gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old...

I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last

October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd

tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the

first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally

HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but

I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh

, if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before

RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for

your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor

and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie

pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning>

In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY

anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both.

Sam :-D

> > >

> > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be

self

> > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population

who

> > does

> > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to

prescribe?

> > >

> > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems.

But that

> > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than

elevated TSH

> > > without taking Synthroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > >

> > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4

years,

> > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well

on T4.

> > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > >

> > > > Sam :-o

>

[Guest guest]

lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

Is this your bio here too?

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Crystal

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you do

soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!!

Crystal

-- Re: Hello there, y'all

Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about

going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee

hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine,

but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least.

Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO

weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel

like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the

libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most

30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut

him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to

feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND

HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd

chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with

the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te).

I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was

getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid

gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old...

I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last

October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd

tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the

first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally

HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but

I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh

, if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before

RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for

your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor

and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie

pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning>

In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY

anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both.

Sam :-D

> > >

> > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be

self

> > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population

who

> > does

> > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to

prescribe?

> > >

> > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems.

But that

> > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than

elevated TSH

> > > without taking Synthroid.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > >

> > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4

years,

> > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well

on T4.

> > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > >

> > > > Sam :-o

>

[Guest guest]

Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and actually feel WAY

better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome!

This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you email me

private, I sure will send them. k9gang at openaccess.org

Sam :-D

>

> lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

>

> Is this your bio here too?

>

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

[mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Crystal

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you

do

> soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they

don't treat people for what is really wrong, but

instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic

medications that have devestating short and long term

side effects, most of them not even pointed out to

patients. The only way to really find out about the

myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to research

it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search

becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many

people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult at

best to get ALL the information.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a

> beta blocker, ace

> inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart

> disease.

>

> I never knew the underlying condition to all of

> these was my low thyroid,

> adrenals, and testosterone.

>

> I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all

> along years ago, the

> drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real

> problem. First I treated my

> adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the

> testosterone. Heck, I might even

> try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

>

> I also think the reason the doctor's don't

> " discover " these hormone problems

> are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on

> their blood panels.

> Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the

> real extremes in these

> hormones. They don't consider that someone that has

> border line low hormones

> levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> disease or death.

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> ,

>

> You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your

> own

> words, it seems to me that you do.

> You have gained weight, obviously have food

> cravings,

> taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for

> your

> heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol

> (I

> hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

> Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia

> and

> high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> hypothyroidism.

>

> That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that

> lots of people don't really know what is wrong with

> them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They

> really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are

> the doctors not putting all this together and

> treating

> us properly?

>

> Roni

> --- <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote:

>

> > AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

> >

> > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well,

> > maybe hay fever. I

> > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at

> > 187]; but then I went

> > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four

> > ribs, one plate of

> > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice

> > cream with peanuts and

> > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions

> and

> > peppers, and broccoli.

> >

> > I'll probably have another snack before I go to

> bed.

> > I'm 66 years old.

> > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid],

> > including baby aspirin and

> > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171],

> > verapamil, and Allegra

> > for allergies. I take them all, including the

> > Synthroid, at one time,

> > and don't worry about any interaction; either with

> > food or each other.

> >

> > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to

> make

> > me feel much better.

> >

> > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg]

> > Actually, when I have a

> > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and

> > this site seems a good

> > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Hello there, y'all

> > >

> >

>

<hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB

>

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> >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 "

> > sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > >

> >

> <mailto:sweetnwright@...

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all>

> > > sweetenloe1

> > <sweetenloe1

> <sweetenloe1> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > ,

> > > with all due respect, how do you know that you

> > couldn't feel 100

> > > times better on armour than on T4? And what in

> the

> > world is AFAIK (a

> > > fake?)?

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this

> > would tend to be self

> > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction

> of

> > the population who

> > > does

> > > > not respond well to the first thing their

> doctor

> > is likely to prescribe?

> > > >

> > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK

> have

> > no problems. But that

> > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms

> > other than elevated TSH

> > > > without taking Synthroid.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > > >

> > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion

> > groups for about 4 years,

> > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of

> > members doing well on T4.

> > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sam :-o

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Sam, I have a question about your response to the

Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to

give me more, because he says it could affect my

heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness,

fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

(heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest

pain?

Roni

--- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote:

> Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and

> actually feel WAY

> better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome!

>

> This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you

> email me

> private, I sure will send them. k9gang at

> openaccess.org

>

> Sam :-D

>

>

> >

> > lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

> >

> > Is this your bio here too?

> >

> >

>

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> > On Behalf Of Crystal

> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

> > hypothyroidism

> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> y'all

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make

> me feel like you

> do

> > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart probs. Usual dose of Armour

is 3--5 grains, unless you have no thyroid gland. Today I took 5 grains, no

" heart probs " .

Gracia

Sam, I have a question about your response to the

Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to

give me more, because he says it could affect my

heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness,

fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

(heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest

pain?

Roni

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I have only started to understand this within the last few months. Of course

I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it might place me in a

catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now I am supporting my

adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour (I'm up to 1.5 grains so

far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc. I may be able to back

off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to keel over by going fast!

As far as the search being time consuming and frustrating...I'm highly

motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now no thanks to the Kaiser

bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary school. So I want to

stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through the procedures in the

heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5 times total for me). You

have to be awake for the procedure to report any angina to them while they

work on your heart via tubing inserted into your leg (yea it hurts). The

first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each because they had lots of

trouble (100% blockage and then I started hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously

out of my leg...so reading up on the internet, taking supplements, eating

healthy, etc, is a snap!

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all

The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they

don't treat people for what is really wrong, but

instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic

medications that have devestating short and long term

side effects, most of them not even pointed out to

patients. The only way to really find out about the

myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to research

it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search

becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many

people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult at

best to get ALL the information.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote:

> Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a

> beta blocker, ace

> inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart

> disease.

>

> I never knew the underlying condition to all of

> these was my low thyroid,

> adrenals, and testosterone.

>

> I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all

> along years ago, the

> drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real

> problem. First I treated my

> adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the

> testosterone. Heck, I might even

> try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

>

> I also think the reason the doctor's don't

> " discover " these hormone problems

> are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on

> their blood panels.

> Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the

> real extremes in these

> hormones. They don't consider that someone that has

> border line low hormones

> levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> disease or death.

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM

> hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> ,

>

> You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your

> own

> words, it seems to me that you do.

> You have gained weight, obviously have food

> cravings,

> taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for

> your

> heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol

> (I

> hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

> Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia

> and

> high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> hypothyroidism.

>

> That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that

> lots of people don't really know what is wrong with

> them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They

> really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are

> the doctors not putting all this together and

> treating

> us properly?

>

> Roni

> --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote:

>

> > AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

> >

> > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well,

> > maybe hay fever. I

> > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at

> > 187]; but then I went

> > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four

> > ribs, one plate of

> > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice

> > cream with peanuts and

> > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions

> and

> > peppers, and broccoli.

> >

> > I'll probably have another snack before I go to

> bed.

> > I'm 66 years old.

> > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid],

> > including baby aspirin and

> > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171],

> > verapamil, and Allegra

> > for allergies. I take them all, including the

> > Synthroid, at one time,

> > and don't worry about any interaction; either with

> > food or each other.

> >

> > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to

> make

> > me feel much better.

> >

> > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg]

> > Actually, when I have a

> > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and

> > this site seems a good

> > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Hello there, y'all

> > >

> >

>

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> > sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> > >

> >

> <mailto:sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net>

> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all>

> > > sweetenloe1

> > <sweetenloe1

<sweetenloe1>

> <sweetenloe1

<sweetenloe1> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > ,

> > > with all due respect, how do you know that you

> > couldn't feel 100

> > > times better on armour than on T4? And what in

> the

> > world is AFAIK (a

> > > fake?)?

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this

> > would tend to be self

> > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction

> of

> > the population who

> > > does

> > > > not respond well to the first thing their

> doctor

> > is likely to prescribe?

> > > >

> > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK

> have

> > no problems. But that

> > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms

> > other than elevated TSH

> > > > without taking Synthroid.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg]

> > > >

> > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion

> > groups for about 4 years,

> > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of

> > members doing well on T4.

> > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sam :-o

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD.

Gracia

> Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace

> inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease.

>

> I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid,

> adrenals, and testosterone.

>

> I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the

> drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated

> my

> adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might

> even

> try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

>

> I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone

> problems

> are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels.

> Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these

> hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low

> hormones

> levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death.

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's on my list. For the last 3 months I have been reading about 4 hours a

day. Still have to work, eat, and sleep as well....

Neil

Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD.

Gracia

> Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace

> inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease.

>

> I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid,

> adrenals, and testosterone.

>

> I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the

> drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated

> my

> adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might

> even

> try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

>

> I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone

> problems

> are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels.

> Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these

> hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low

> hormones

> levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death.

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

>

[Guest guest]

Roni,

It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give you a script for

Armour. I have to self treat.

If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances are you need adrenal

support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests?

I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about adrenals. Massive bowel

upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued reading and found out

about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in Florinef. I feel

fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start increasing the Armour

dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before feeling sick. Now over

the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5 grains. When I go too

fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I start to get hot like I am

running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about a week my temp goes back

to normal. Only then can I consider raising the dose.

If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below you could increase your

Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It is my understanding that

your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your TSH should be around .5

or less.

Neil

_____

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

Sam, I have a question about your response to the

Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to

give me more, because he says it could affect my

heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness,

fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

(heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest

pain?

Roni

--- Sam <HYPERLINK " mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org>

wrote:

> Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and

> actually feel WAY

> better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome!

>

> This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you

> email me

> private, I sure will send them. k9gang at

> openaccess.org

>

> Sam :-D

>

>

> >

> > lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

> >

> > Is this your bio here too?

> >

> >

>

HYPERLINK

" http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ " http://w

ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > ____________-_________-_________-__

> >

> > From: HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> [mailto:HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com]

> > On Behalf Of Crystal

> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

> > HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> y'all

> >

> >

> >

> > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make

> me feel like you

> do

> > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-!

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Gracia, I might actually have to smack this

doctor over the head. I wouldn't take his cholesterol

medication and dropped 20 points on Policosanol (no

side effects). He was pretty open to that. I'm not

quite sure why he's averse to this idea. I'm not the

easist patient to deal with because I hate medicine,

and I never stick to it, unless it's absolutely no way

out necessary.

Roni

--- Gracia <circe@...> wrote:

>

> the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart

> probs. Usual dose of Armour is 3--5 grains, unless

> you have no thyroid gland. Today I took 5 grains,

> no " heart probs " .

> Gracia

>

> Sam, I have a question about your response to the

> Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid

> to

> give me more, because he says it could affect my

> heart. Have you had any heart problems like

> dizziness,

> fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats)

> palpitations

> (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or

> chest

> pain?

>

> Roni

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I do agree with you that too much too fast is not a

good idea. One thing at a time is definitely the way

to go, although I have stopped medications that I

found out later were not supposed to be stopped

suddenly. Sometimes ignorance is bliss..........LOL

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> I have only started to understand this within the

> last few months. Of course

> I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it

> might place me in a

> catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now

> I am supporting my

> adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour

> (I'm up to 1.5 grains so

> far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc.

> I may be able to back

> off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to

> keel over by going fast!

>

> As far as the search being time consuming and

> frustrating...I'm highly

> motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now

> no thanks to the Kaiser

> bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary

> school. So I want to

> stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through

> the procedures in the

> heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5

> times total for me). You

> have to be awake for the procedure to report any

> angina to them while they

> work on your heart via tubing inserted into your

> leg (yea it hurts). The

> first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each

> because they had lots of

> trouble (100% blockage and then I started

> hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously

> out of my leg...so reading up on the internet,

> taking supplements, eating

> healthy, etc, is a snap!

>

>

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they

> don't treat people for what is really wrong, but

> instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic

> medications that have devestating short and long

> term

> side effects, most of them not even pointed out to

> patients. The only way to really find out about the

> myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to

> research

> it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search

> becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many

> people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult

> at

> best to get ALL the information.

>

> Roni

>

> --- neil <neilneil@...

> <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote:

>

> > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take

> a

> > beta blocker, ace

> > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart

> > disease.

> >

> > I never knew the underlying condition to all of

> > these was my low thyroid,

> > adrenals, and testosterone.

> >

> > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed

> all

> > along years ago, the

> > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real

> > problem. First I treated my

> > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the

> > testosterone. Heck, I might even

> > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

> >

> > I also think the reason the doctor's don't

> > " discover " these hormone problems

> > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on

> > their blood panels.

> > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the

> > real extremes in these

> > hormones. They don't consider that someone that

> has

> > border line low hormones

> > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> > disease or death.

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> > [mailto:hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

> > On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM

> > hypothyroidism

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> y'all

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your

> > own

> > words, it seems to me that you do.

> > You have gained weight, obviously have food

> > cravings,

> > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for

> > your

> > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high

> cholesterol

> > (I

> > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

> > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia

> > and

> > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> > hypothyroidism.

> >

> > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact

> that

> > lots of people don't really know what is wrong

> with

> > them, unless their doctor actually tells them.

> They

> > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why

> are

> > the doctors not putting all this together and

> > treating

> > us properly?

> >

> > Roni

> > --- <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> >

> > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

> > >

> > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well,

> > > maybe hay fever. I

> > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at

> > > 187]; but then I went

> > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and

> four

> > > ribs, one plate of

> > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice

> > > cream with peanuts and

> > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions

> > and

> > > peppers, and broccoli.

> > >

> > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to

> > bed.

> > > I'm 66 years old.

> > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid],

> > > including baby aspirin and

> > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171],

> > > verapamil, and Allegra

> > > for allergies. I take them all, including the

> > > Synthroid, at one time,

> > > and don't worry about any interaction; either

> with

> > > food or each other.

> > >

> > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to

> > make

> > > me feel much better.

> > >

> > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg]

> > > Actually, when I have a

> > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it,

> and

> > > this site seems a good

> > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Hello there, y'all

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

How is the adrenal testing done, and does the medical

profession order the tests from a lab like blood

tests?

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> Gracia...I agree with your adrenal comment, the

> problem is most every doctor

> does not acknowledge adrenal fatigue or test for it.

>

>

> But newer posters need to know you just can't take 5

> grains of Armour like

> you do out of the blue. It takes months and months

> to work up to that sort

> of dose, and adrenals have to be supported the whole

> way (if necessary). For

> someone to take 5 grains of Armour right off they

> could very well have chest

> pains or a cardiac event.

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Gracia

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:58 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

>

> the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart

> probs. Usual dose of Armour

> is 3--5 grains, unless you have no thyroid gland.

> Today I took 5 grains, no

> " heart probs " .

> Gracia

>

> Sam, I have a question about your response to the

> Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid

> to

> give me more, because he says it could affect my

> heart. Have you had any heart problems like

> dizziness,

> fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

> (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or

> chest

> pain?

>

> Roni

>

> Recent Activity

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>

[Guest guest]

That's pretty much what I was talking about. It's a

huge, time consuming job. Then, there are also new

discoveries to take into consideration although there

have not been many of those lately. I guess it's not a

sexy enough condition for them to keep up the

research.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> It's on my list. For the last 3 months I have been

> reading about 4 hours a

> day. Still have to work, eat, and sleep as well....

>

> Neil

>

> Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

> read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD.

> Gracia

>

> > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take

> a beta blocker, ace

> > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart

> disease.

> >

> > I never knew the underlying condition to all of

> these was my low thyroid,

> > adrenals, and testosterone.

> >

> > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed

> all along years ago, the

> > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real

> problem. First I treated

> > my

> > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the

> testosterone. Heck, I might

> > even

> > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

> >

> > I also think the reason the doctor's don't

> " discover " these hormone

> > problems

> > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on

> their blood panels.

> > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the

> real extremes in these

> > hormones. They don't consider that someone that

> has border line low

> > hormones

> > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> disease or death.

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking 2

grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more of

levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick

feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I would

like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what

happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want to

lose it, and this way I don't think my body is

metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and the

calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm not.

I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to go.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> Roni,

>

> It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give

> you a script for

> Armour. I have to self treat.

>

> If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances

> are you need adrenal

> support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests?

>

> I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about

> adrenals. Massive bowel

> upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued

> reading and found out

> about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in

> Florinef. I feel

> fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start

> increasing the Armour

> dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before

> feeling sick. Now over

> the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5

> grains. When I go too

> fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I

> start to get hot like I am

> running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about

> a week my temp goes back

> to normal. Only then can I consider raising the

> dose.

>

> If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below

> you could increase your

> Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It

> is my understanding that

> your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your

> TSH should be around .5

> or less.

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> Sam, I have a question about your response to the

> Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid

> to

> give me more, because he says it could affect my

> heart. Have you had any heart problems like

> dizziness,

> fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

> (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or

> chest

> pain?

>

> Roni

>

> --- Sam <HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org>

> wrote:

>

> > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains

> and

> > actually feel WAY

> > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome!

> >

> > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if

> you

> > email me

> > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at

> > openaccess.org

> >

> > Sam :-D

> >

> >

> > >

> > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

> > >

> > > Is this your bio here too?

> > >

> > >

> >

> HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ " http://w

>

ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/

> > >

> > > Neil

> > >

> > > ____________-_________-_________-__

> > >

> > > From: HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

>

> > [mailto:HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com]

> > > On Behalf Of Crystal

> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

> > > HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> > y'all

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will

> make

> > me feel like you

> > do

> > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-!

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Well, I have to be careful. I would really feel stupid if I died or

something! lol

You can read more about adrenals and adrenal saliva testing here...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/

You will see a mention in the text for Canary Labs (I know, weird name) when

reading the article, I ordered it myself for $140 bucks. I am way adrenal

insufficient, that is worse than adrenal fatigue. I did some additional

testing for aldosterone and renin (other hormones) as well. They were

screwed up too. Actually all my hormones are low, gee no wonder I am

overweight, high cholesterol, high BP, and had a heart attack!

And they just offered me Prozac....probably so I will forget how much they

suck! (I didn't go back though...ha)

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:39 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all

That's pretty much what I was talking about. It's a

huge, time consuming job. Then, there are also new

discoveries to take into consideration although there

have not been many of those lately. I guess it's not a

sexy enough condition for them to keep up the

research.

Roni

How is the adrenal testing done, and does the medical

profession order the tests from a lab like blood

tests?

Roni

I do agree with you that too much too fast is not a

good idea. One thing at a time is definitely the way

to go, although I have stopped medications that I

found out later were not supposed to be stopped

suddenly. Sometimes ignorance is bliss..........LOL

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote:

> I have only started to understand this within the

> last few months. Of course

> I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it

> might place me in a

> catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now

> I am supporting my

> adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour

> (I'm up to 1.5 grains so

> far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc.

> I may be able to back

> off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to

> keel over by going fast!

>

> As far as the search being time consuming and

> frustrating...I'm highly

> motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now

> no thanks to the Kaiser

> bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary

> school. So I want to

> stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through

> the procedures in the

> heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5

> times total for me). You

> have to be awake for the procedure to report any

> angina to them while they

> work on your heart via tubing inserted into your

> leg (yea it hurts). The

> first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each

> because they had lots of

> trouble (100% blockage and then I started

> hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously

> out of my leg...so reading up on the internet,

> taking supplements, eating

> healthy, etc, is a snap!

>

>

>

> Neil

>

> ________________________________

>

> From: hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM

> hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they

> don't treat people for what is really wrong, but

> instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic

> medications that have devestating short and long

> term

> side effects, most of them not even pointed out to

> patients. The only way to really find out about the

> myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to

> research

> it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search

> becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many

> people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult

> at

> best to get ALL the information.

>

> Roni

>

> --- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net>

> <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote:

>

> > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take

> a

> > beta blocker, ace

> > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart

> > disease.

> >

> > I never knew the underlying condition to all of

> > these was my low thyroid,

> > adrenals, and testosterone.

> >

> > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed

> all

> > along years ago, the

> > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real

> > problem. First I treated my

> > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the

> > testosterone. Heck, I might even

> > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg).

> >

> > I also think the reason the doctor's don't

> > " discover " these hormone problems

> > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on

> > their blood panels.

> > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the

> > real extremes in these

> > hormones. They don't consider that someone that

> has

> > border line low hormones

> > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> > disease or death.

> >

> > Neil

> >

> > ________________________________

> >

> > From: hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> > [mailto:hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

> > On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM

> > hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> <mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> y'all

> >

> >

> >

> > ,

> >

> > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your

> > own

> > words, it seems to me that you do.

> > You have gained weight, obviously have food

> > cravings,

> > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for

> > your

> > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high

> cholesterol

> > (I

> > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

> > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia

> > and

> > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> > hypothyroidism.

> >

> > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact

> that

> > lots of people don't really know what is wrong

> with

> > them, unless their doctor actually tells them.

> They

> > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why

> are

> > the doctors not putting all this together and

> > treating

> > us properly?

> >

> > Roni

> > --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>

> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote:

> >

> > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

> > >

> > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well,

> > > maybe hay fever. I

> > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at

> > > 187]; but then I went

> > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and

> four

> > > ribs, one plate of

> > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice

> > > cream with peanuts and

> > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions

> > and

> > > peppers, and broccoli.

> > >

> > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to

> > bed.

> > > I'm 66 years old.

> > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid],

> > > including baby aspirin and

> > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171],

> > > verapamil, and Allegra

> > > for allergies. I take them all, including the

> > > Synthroid, at one time,

> > > and don't worry about any interaction; either

> with

> > > food or each other.

> > >

> > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to

> > make

> > > me feel much better.

> > >

> > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg]

> > > Actually, when I have a

> > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it,

> and

> > > this site seems a good

> > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Re: Hello there, y'all

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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[Guest guest]

You might find that Bob and Val at STTM can help you. They answered

questions I had, and provided other answers to questions I had not even

thought of.

You can start a thread explaining your situation there and you will get more

help than you can dream of. I have a thread there where they work through my

adrenal issues. I also have a separate thread over at the Men's section

where another moderator, Phil, is helping me with my testosterone issues.

Fantastic site.

My adrenal thread...

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9869

Neil

________________________________

From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:50 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all

I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking 2

grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more of

levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick

feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I would

like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what

happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want to

lose it, and this way I don't think my body is

metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and the

calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm not.

I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to go.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote:

> Roni,

>

> It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give

> you a script for

> Armour. I have to self treat.

>

> If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances

> are you need adrenal

> support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests?

>

> I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about

> adrenals. Massive bowel

> upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued

> reading and found out

> about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in

> Florinef. I feel

> fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start

> increasing the Armour

> dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before

> feeling sick. Now over

> the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5

> grains. When I go too

> fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I

> start to get hot like I am

> running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about

> a week my temp goes back

> to normal. Only then can I consider raising the

> dose.

>

> If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below

> you could increase your

> Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It

> is my understanding that

> your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your

> TSH should be around .5

> or less.

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> [mailto:hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ]

> On Behalf Of Roni Molin

> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM

> hypothyroidism

<mailto:hypothyroidism%40>

> Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all

>

>

>

> Sam, I have a question about your response to the

> Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid

> to

> give me more, because he says it could affect my

> heart. Have you had any heart problems like

> dizziness,

> fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations

> (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or

> chest

> pain?

>

> Roni

>

> --- Sam <HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org>

> wrote:

>

> > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains

> and

> > actually feel WAY

> > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome!

> >

> > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if

> you

> > email me

> > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at

> > openaccess.org

> >

> > Sam :-D

> >

> >

> > >

> > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words!

> > >

> > > Is this your bio here too?

> > >

> > >

> >

> HYPERLINK

>

" http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/

<http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/>

" http://w

>

ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/

> > >

> > > Neil

> > >

> > > ____________-_________-_________-__

> > >

> > > From: HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

>

> > [mailto:HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com]

> > > On Behalf Of Crystal

> > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM

> > > HYPERLINK

>

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there,

> > y'all

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will

> make

> > me feel like you

> > do

> > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-!

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

> You probably love the abuse! [ggg]

Very insightful!

Thanks for making me smile.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

>

>

> Anyway, I see I have an error in my reply. I believe in fact the other

> producers of " generic " Synthroid were in fact able to prove equal

> efficacy with Synthroid in many cases.

Yes, and Boots, who helped fund the study, attempted to prevent the

author of the study from publishing her findings. They didn't have

patent protection, so the only way to maintain their market share was by

claiming to have the most effective version. It still took decades to

erode their market lead after this came out.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Neil, , Roni,

You wrote:

>...They don't consider that someone that has border line low hormones

> levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death.

TSH is more an indicator of how long thyroid output has been

insufficient, rather than how low it is, which is what most think on

seeing those ranges. Thus, the border line condition can exist for

years, with the concomitant problems it causes, while the TSH slowly

creeps up to the point where it is noticed. In the meantime, the more

overt symptoms are missing. I suspect this is why could be hypoT

and still not feel amiss.

Chuck

[Guest guest]

this kills me.

the old fashioned way of Dxing hypothyroid used to be high cholesterol. why

would a doc give thyroid and cholesterol drugs? b/c T4 meds do not lower

cholesterol?

Gracia

AFAIK = As Far As I Know.

I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, maybe hay fever. I

could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at 187]; but then I went

out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four ribs, one plate of

watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice cream with peanuts and

chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions and peppers, and broccoli.

I'll probably have another snack before I go to bed. I'm 66 years old.

I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], including baby aspirin and

Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], verapamil, and Allegra

for allergies. I take them all, including the Synthroid, at one time,

and don't worry about any interaction; either with food or each other.

It would have to have more kick than cocaine to make me feel much better.

Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] Actually, when I have a

health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and this site seems a good

place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing...

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Hi, Roni. Please see responses below.

>

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

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>

> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

>

> Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:29 pm (PST)

>

> ,

>

> You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your own

> words, it seems to me that you do.

> You have gained weight, obviously have food cravings,

I have gained weight; and do have food cravings. There is psychological

stress in my life that points directly to the food cravings. The food

[especially at my age of 66] along with little or no exercise translates

into a few pounds of excess fat. But I probably consume several times

the recommended calories. But I'm 5' 11 " and 188 lbs, so that's not TOO

obese...

> taking Melatonin (I think to sleep),

I've had sleep problems all my life; or at least as far back as I can

remember. About a year ago I was working in tile setting [hard physical

work] on a temporary job with my brother's company. I went to bed about

9:30 each night and got up at 5:30 each week day morning. I also

starting taking 3 mg Melatonin each night. While I was sleeping regular

hours, working, and taking the Melatonin I started to sleep like a

normal person should. That is the only time in my life I have been able

to go to bed, go to sleep, and sleep well. Now I stay up until

midnight; or maybe 1 or 2 AM [4:00 AM last night]. I don't sleep as

well, even with the Melatonin. I doubt my sleep problems are related to

the elevated TSH, which only showed up a year or so ago.

> asperin for your

> heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> anti-inflamatory)

I've had a rapid heartbeat all my life. At times it could reach the 175

to 200 bpm range. My former primary care physician was a heart

specialist, and diagnosed me as having arrhythmia. He's done many

stress tests and the like. He prescribed the verapamil, which prevents

the higher ranges of heart rate; as well as the baby aspirin, which is

just a preventative blood thinner that most heart doctors recommend.

I've never shown any sign of high blood pressure; although my father did

have it. I do not think these are related to hypothyroidism; although I

can't completely rule it out.

> ,take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I

> hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

The hdl/ldl ratio has always been good; and my total at my last test was

171. My heart doctor told me he wished his cholesterol numbers were as

good as mine.

> Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia and

I've suffered from hay fever [allergic rhinitis] since a young child. I

had asthma attacks from the age of 19 to 60. I also had something

called " quinsy croup " [or similar] for a few months as a young child.

The symptoms were exactly the same as an asthma attack; and, in my

opinion was in fact an improperly diagnosed series of asthma attacks.

Very remotely possible connection to hyper; but IMHO very unlikely.

> high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> hypothyroidism.

No high blood pressure, ever.

>

> That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that

> lots of people don't really know what is wrong with

> them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They

> really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are

> the doctors not putting all this together and treating

> us properly?

The sad fact is that we often don't know what's wrong with us even when

our doctor DOES give us a diagnose; as many here can attest. We have to

research and carefully weigh the evidence. I have done that; although

not nearly as thoroughly as I could have. Since I feel well I'm not too

motivated I guess.

I have looked very carefully at all of my symptoms, and given the vast

time span from the onset of most [essentially, all my life] and the

discovery of elevated TSH 65 years later I doubt that the symptoms are

hypothyroidism related. But I cannot completely rule it out.

Generally, I feel well and enjoy my life. Given the utter misery that

some here suffer I'm embarrassed to even mention my " problems " .

>

> Roni

Thanks for your concern and input. I can't say that you're not correct;

but I don't think so for the reasons I've given.

[Guest guest]

Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath of

fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's true

my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really very

little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig and

gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is complex;

and I'm not free to go into it here.

My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please

post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie

pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg]

I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other

medication; and Synthroid is cheap.

Regards,

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

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>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

>

> Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:11 pm (PST)

>

> Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about

> going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee

> hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine,

> but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least.

>

> Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-

> N-G at any time of the day and NO

> weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel

> like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the

> libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most

> 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut

> him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to

> feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND

> HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd

> chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with

> the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te).

>

> I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was

> getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid

> gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old...

>

> I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last

> October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd

> tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the

> first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally

> HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but

> I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh

>

> , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before

> RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for

> your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor

> and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie

> pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning>

>

> In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY

> anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both.

>

> Sam :-D