Hello there, y'all

July 7, 2007

CHUCK<

My T4 is 1.1 (N)

TSH 0.016 (L)

Fre thyroxine l.71 (N)

Fre T3 4.7 (H)

What's this al about?

(Those numbers were on Levothyroxine and 1/2 Cytomel

Roni

--- Chuck B <gumboyaya@...> wrote:

> Neil, , Roni,

>

> You wrote:

>

> >...They don't consider that someone that has border

> line low hormones

> > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart

> disease or death.

>

> TSH is more an indicator of how long thyroid output

> has been

> insufficient, rather than how low it is, which is

> what most think on

> seeing those ranges. Thus, the border line condition

> can exist for

> years, with the concomitant problems it causes,

> while the TSH slowly

> creeps up to the point where it is noticed. In the

> meantime, the more

> overt symptoms are missing. I suspect this is why

> could be hypoT

> and still not feel amiss.

>

> Chuck

>

July 7, 2007

The cholesterol medication was started years ago by my heart specialist,

who at that time was my primary care physician.

The elevated TSH was discovered years later during a routine physical by

my new primary physician, after my original doctor ceased family

practice and went into cardiac care only. I still use him for heart

care and cholesterol. The new doctor is the one who discovered the

elevated TSH and prescribes Synthroid for it.

>

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

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> Posted by: " Gracia " circe@...

> <mailto:circe@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all>

> graciabee <graciabee>

>

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 8:23 am (PST)

>

> this kills me.

> the old fashioned way of Dxing hypothyroid used to be high

> cholesterol. why would a doc give thyroid and cholesterol drugs? b/c

> T4 meds do not lower cholesterol?

> Gracia

July 7, 2007

Roni,

You wrote:

>

> My T4 is 1.1 (N)

> TSH 0.016 (L)

> Fre thyroxine l.71 (N)

> Fre T3 4.7 (H)

>

The latest study on the dangers of low TSH said that problems were

detected when TSH was below 0.1 long term. However, yours may be that

way because of the Cytomel and may not be a problem. You can find

experts on either side of this. Same for the high FT3. If you feel good

on this, I would say don't mess with it and take the risk. If you still

have hypoT symptoms, then something else is going on.

Chuck

July 7, 2007

hi sam could you send tour photos to me i would be interested in seeing your

successes in healing. the fact that you dont have overies maybe one of the

reasons for your success with armour.

i had a thyroidectomy at the end of january 07. and chuck the ranges are

incoclusive because of added or missing or malfunctioning body parts.

eventually the ranges will be more personalized, probably not in our lifetime

though. we need our own personal health data bank that our entire liftime

medical history is downloaded in, assigned like a social security number and

then when we get testing done it can access our personal history and give us a

better reading of ranges. i also have osterporosis and one of my parathyroids

have been removed. and it certainly makes a difference in how our medications

affect each and every one of us. this is a wonderful support group. and i

enjoy being part of this group with our down and ups. susan in michigan such

an interesting mix of thoughts.

Re: Hello there, y'all

I hope you got the fotos. <grin>

Have I said about the stressors in my life? They are HUGE, but I seem

to " now " be able to let them all roll off my back with ease. I

couldn't have done that while I was still hypO sick.

Wanna see my tattoo's? :-D

Sam

>

> Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath

of

> fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's

true

> my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really

very

> little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig

and

> gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is

complex;

> and I'm not free to go into it here.

>

> My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please

> post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie

> pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg]

>

> I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other

> medication; and Synthroid is cheap.

>

> Regards,

>

July 8, 2007

Hi, Roni. See below...

..

>

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

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> Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@...

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 12:01 pm (PST)

>

> ,

> I am also having symptoms that are not normal, and

> have been told that they are. If the doctor is happy

> with your cholesterol, why the Lipitor? I have

..

My heart specialist is happy with my Cholesterol _with_ me taking

Lipitor every day. Prior to the Lipitor it was higher. I don't know if

he will consider lowering it when I go in in a month or so or not.

..

> Fibromyalgia too, and it really messes up the ability

> of the doctors to diagnose. Medicine is called a

> practice instead of a science IMHO because they are

> still trying to get it right. I guess the difference

> between us lies in my unwillingness to take so many

> drugs.

>

> Roni

..

I'm not happy with all the medications either as I think most things

have a far too high probability of undesirable side effects. Just this

past month I reduced two or 3 of my allergy medications; and when I next

see my heart doctor will probably discuss reducing the Lipitor and

Verapamil. I have no idea as to what will happen with the Synthroid,

because I don't have any numbers since sometime last year.

> p.s. If you get any sudden lightbulbs that might help

> me address my situation, please feel free to tell me.

..

I'll try to remember to do so. Sometimes I hesitate, because a lot of

the self treatment here is far outside the guidelines of the best

science available. I'm sure I'd be looking for help outside the

guidelines if I had some of the problems discussed here; but I'd be

_very_ hesitant to recommend them to others even if they worked well for me.

Best of luck,

>

> --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>> wrote:

>

> > Hi, Roni. Please see responses below.

> >

> > >

> > > Re: Hello there, y'all

> > >

> >

>

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> > >

> > > Posted by: " Roni Molin "

> > matchermaam@... <mailto:matchermaam%40>

> > >

> >

> <mailto:matchermaam@...

> <mailto:matchermaam%40>?Subject=%20Re%

> 3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all>

> > > matchermaam

> > <matchermaam

> <matchermaam>>

> > >

> > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:29 pm (PST)

> > >

> > > ,

> > >

> > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your

> > own

> > > words, it seems to me that you do.

> > > You have gained weight, obviously have food

> > cravings,

> > I have gained weight; and do have food cravings.

> > There is psychological

> > stress in my life that points directly to the food

> > cravings. The food

> > [especially at my age of 66] along with little or no

> > exercise translates

> > into a few pounds of excess fat. But I probably

> > consume several times

> > the recommended calories. But I'm 5' 11 " and 188

> > lbs, so that's not TOO

> > obese...

> >

> > > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep),

> > I've had sleep problems all my life; or at least as

> > far back as I can

> > remember. About a year ago I was working in tile

> > setting [hard physical

> > work] on a temporary job with my brother's company.

> > I went to bed about

> > 9:30 each night and got up at 5:30 each week day

> > morning. I also

> > starting taking 3 mg Melatonin each night. While I

> > was sleeping regular

> > hours, working, and taking the Melatonin I started

> > to sleep like a

> > normal person should. That is the only time in my

> > life I have been able

> > to go to bed, go to sleep, and sleep well. Now I

> > stay up until

> > midnight; or maybe 1 or 2 AM [4:00 AM last night].

> > I don't sleep as

> > well, even with the Melatonin. I doubt my sleep

> > problems are related to

> > the elevated TSH, which only showed up a year or so

> > ago.

> > > asperin for your

> > > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is

> > > anti-inflamatory)

> > I've had a rapid heartbeat all my life. At times it

> > could reach the 175

> > to 200 bpm range. My former primary care physician

> > was a heart

> > specialist, and diagnosed me as having arrhythmia.

> > He's done many

> > stress tests and the like. He prescribed the

> > verapamil, which prevents

> > the higher ranges of heart rate; as well as the baby

> > aspirin, which is

> > just a preventative blood thinner that most heart

> > doctors recommend.

> > I've never shown any sign of high blood pressure;

> > although my father did

> > have it. I do not think these are related to

> > hypothyroidism; although I

> > can't completely rule it out.

> > > ,take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I

> > > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total)

> > The hdl/ldl ratio has always been good; and my total

> > at my last test was

> > 171. My heart doctor told me he wished his

> > cholesterol numbers were as

> > good as mine.

> > > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia

> > and

> > I've suffered from hay fever [allergic rhinitis]

> > since a young child. I

> > had asthma attacks from the age of 19 to 60. I also

> > had something

> > called " quinsy croup " [or similar] for a few months

> > as a young child.

> > The symptoms were exactly the same as an asthma

> > attack; and, in my

> > opinion was in fact an improperly diagnosed series

> > of asthma attacks.

> > Very remotely possible connection to hyper; but IMHO

> > very unlikely.

> > > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of

> > > hypothyroidism.

> >

> > No high blood pressure, ever.

> > >

> > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact

> > that

> > > lots of people don't really know what is wrong

> > with

> > > them, unless their doctor actually tells them.

> > They

> > > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why

> > are

> > > the doctors not putting all this together and

> > treating

> > > us properly?

> > The sad fact is that we often don't know what's

> > wrong with us even when

> > our doctor DOES give us a diagnose; as many here can

> > attest. We have to

> > research and carefully weigh the evidence. I have

> > done that; although

> > not nearly as thoroughly as I could have. Since I

> > feel well I'm not too

> > motivated I guess.

> >

> > I have looked very carefully at all of my symptoms,

> > and given the vast

> > time span from the onset of most [essentially, all

> > my life] and the

> > discovery of elevated TSH 65 years later I doubt

> > that the symptoms are

> > hypothyroidism related. But I cannot completely

> > rule it out.

> >

> > Generally, I feel well and enjoy my life. Given the

> > utter misery that

> > some here suffer I'm embarrassed to even mention my

> > " problems " .

> > >

> > > Roni

> > Thanks for your concern and input. I can't say that

> > you're not correct;

> > but I don't think so for the reasons I've given.

> >

July 8, 2007

Hi, Sam.

..

>

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Sat Jul 7, 2007 2:35 pm (PST)

>

> I hope you got the fotos. <grin>

..

I got the photos. All I can say is it's really hard to believe they're

of the same person. One of the " before " photos could pass for my age,

and one of the new ones as my daughter.

More...

>

> Have I said about the stressors in my life? They are HUGE, but I seem

> to " now " be able to let them all roll off my back with ease. I

> couldn't have done that while I was still hypO sick.

>

> Wanna see my tattoo's? :-D

>

> Sam

..

Are they X-rated? [ggg]

..

>

> >

> > Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath

> of

> > fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's

> true

> > my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really

> very

> > little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig

> and

> > gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is

> complex;

> > and I'm not free to go into it here.

> >

> > My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please

> > post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie

> > pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg]

> >

> > I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other

> > medication; and Synthroid is cheap.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

July 8, 2007

, could you send me your email private so I can send you my

fotos? I'm at k9gang at openaccess.org

( cuts off the last part of email addresses)

Anyway, you're without a thyroid, too? Are you doing Armour dosed by

symptoms yet, or still on levoxyl? I, um, run the group

called " thyroidless " ...

My health history was that I was pretty much as healthy as a bull

moose until I got " fixed " real good [extreme sarcasm] by a couple of

doctors. BLAAAAA!!!!! But I'm much better, now. <wink>

I do think that being without ovaries and a thyroid really impacted

me in the worst possible way. I did great on Armour and adrenal

support alone, but when I added natural bioidentical estradiol,

progesterone, and testosterone (all transdermals), it was like I

rubbed Aladdin's Lamp and got granted all my wishes.

Sam :-D

>

> hi sam could you send tour photos to me i would be interested in

seeing your successes in healing. the fact that you dont have

overies maybe one of the reasons for your success with armour.

> i had a thyroidectomy at the end of january 07. and chuck the

ranges are incoclusive because of added or missing or malfunctioning

body parts. eventually the ranges will be more personalized,

probably not in our lifetime though. we need our own personal health

data bank that our entire liftime medical history is downloaded in,

assigned like a social security number and then when we get testing

done it can access our personal history and give us a better reading

of ranges. i also have osterporosis and one of my parathyroids have

been removed. and it certainly makes a difference in how our

medications affect each and every one of us. this is a wonderful

support group. and i enjoy being part of this group with our down

and ups. susan in michigan such an interesting mix of thoughts.

July 8, 2007

I know, I am really shocked at the transformation I went thru, first

from hot young thing into an obese crippled old hag, and then back

into a hot not-so-young thing. I was only 38 when my thyroid was

killed. I lost over a decade of my life that I can never get back,

and that does indeed p*ss me off, but oh well...but NOW I get

to " make up for lost time " . <evil grin>

And thank you.

My tattooes are not x rated (but I've seen some really XXXXXX rated

ones on google images - oh man that must have been torture). I am WAY

to chicken for that, and oh my gosh they REALLY hurt. They are on my

left arm and that was bad enough. Just 3 or 4 more to go until I have

all the " decorations " I want. No anchors, snakes, scorpions, or

skulls, tho. :-D

Sam

> I got the photos. All I can say is it's really hard to

> believe they're of the same person. One of the " before "

> photos could pass for my age, and one of the new ones as

> my daughter.

>

> More...

> >

> > Have I said about the stressors in my life? They are HUGE, but I

seem

> > to " now " be able to let them all roll off my back with ease. I

> > couldn't have done that while I was still hypO sick.

> >

> > Wanna see my tattoo's? :-D

> >

> > Sam

> .

> Are they X-rated? [ggg]

>

July 8, 2007

Hi ,

That would be a great idea about the medical history,

but I would be worried that it would be used wrongly

by employers, insurance companies, and even the

government. They have too much information about

everyone already.

Roni

--- susan burtenshaw <burtenshaws2005@...>

wrote:

> hi sam could you send tour photos to me i would be

> interested in seeing your successes in healing. the

> fact that you dont have overies maybe one of the

> reasons for your success with armour.

> i had a thyroidectomy at the end of january 07. and

> chuck the ranges are incoclusive because of added or

> missing or malfunctioning body parts. eventually

> the ranges will be more personalized, probably not

> in our lifetime though. we need our own personal

> health data bank that our entire liftime medical

> history is downloaded in, assigned like a social

> security number and then when we get testing done it

> can access our personal history and give us a better

> reading of ranges. i also have osterporosis and one

> of my parathyroids have been removed. and it

> certainly makes a difference in how our medications

> affect each and every one of us. this is a

> wonderful support group. and i enjoy being part of

> this group with our down and ups. susan in michigan

> such an interesting mix of thoughts.

> Re: Hello there, y'all

>

> I hope you got the fotos. <grin>

>

> Have I said about the stressors in my life? They

> are HUGE, but I seem

> to " now " be able to let them all roll off my back

> with ease. I

> couldn't have done that while I was still hypO

> sick.

>

> Wanna see my tattoo's? :-D

>

> Sam

>

> >

> > Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you.

> You're a real breath

> of

> > fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are

> contagious. It's

> true

> > my age is often guessed more than a decade low,

> but there's really

> very

> > little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I

> eat like a pig

> and

> > gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital

> situation is

> complex;

> > and I'm not free to go into it here.

> >

> > My email should be at the top of the post:

> " res075oh@... " . Please

> > post the photos to that; but I assure you I

> believe you. No nudie

> > pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg]

> >

> > I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't

> feel I need any other

> > medication; and Synthroid is cheap.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

July 8, 2007

, I'm not sure if you got a reply on the price issue yet, but i

only pay $4 for a 30 day supply of armour from CVS. I am doing mail

order now, I think that is 10.00 for 90 day supply

Crystal

>

> Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath of

> fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's true

> my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really very

> little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig and

> gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is complex;

> and I'm not free to go into it here.

>

> My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please

> post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie

> pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg]

>

> I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other

> medication; and Synthroid is cheap.

>

> Regards,

>

> > Re: Hello there, y'all

> >

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> > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

> >

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> > stealthwind <stealthwind>

> >

> > Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:11 pm (PST)

> >

> > Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about

> > going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee

> > hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine,

> > but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least.

> >

> > Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-

> > N-G at any time of the day and NO

> > weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel

> > like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the

> > libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most

> > 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut

> > him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to

> > feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND

> > HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd

> > chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with

> > the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te).

> >

> > I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was

> > getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid

> > gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old...

> >

> > I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last

> > October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd

> > tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the

> > first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally

> > HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but

> > I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh

> >

> > , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before

> > RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for

> > your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor

> > and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie

> > pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning>

> >

> > In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY

> > anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both.

> >

> > Sam :-D

>

July 8, 2007

Sam, you said:

" but when I added natural bioidentical estradiol,

progesterone, and testosterone (all transdermals)progesterone, an

rubbed Aladdin's Lamp and got granted all my wishes. "

hahahaha, you are soo funny, it is great reading your posts. I am taking

progesterone and testosterone too, as my boyfriend jokes when I get sassy:

" you're

ALL estrogen " ... we're trying to balance some of that out.

:-)

, could you send me your email private so I can send you my

fotos? I'm at k9gang at openaccess.org

( cuts off the last part of email addresses)

Anyway, you're without a thyroid, too? Are you doing Armour dosed by

symptoms yet, or still on levoxyl? I, um, run the group

called " thyroidless " called

My health history was that I was pretty much as healthy as a bull

moose until I got " fixed " real good [extreme sarcasm] by a couple of

doctors. BLAAAAA!!!!! But I'm much better, now. <wink>

I do think that being without ovaries and a thyroid really impacted

me in the worst possible way. I did great on Armour and adrenal

support alone,