Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease. I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid, adrenals, and testosterone. I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated my adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might even try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone problems are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels. Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low hormones levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death. Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all , You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your own words, it seems to me that you do. You have gained weight, obviously have food cravings, taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for your heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia and high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of hypothyroidism. That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that lots of people don't really know what is wrong with them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are the doctors not putting all this together and treating us properly? Roni --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: > AFAIK = As Far As I Know. > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, > maybe hay fever. I > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at > 187]; but then I went > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four > ribs, one plate of > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice > cream with peanuts and > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions and > peppers, and broccoli. > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to bed. > I'm 66 years old. > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], > including baby aspirin and > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], > verapamil, and Allegra > for allergies. I take them all, including the > Synthroid, at one time, > and don't worry about any interaction; either with > food or each other. > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to make > me feel much better. > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] > Actually, when I have a > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and > this site seems a good > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... > > > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw-- <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw--> > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " > sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > > > <mailto:sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > > sweetenloe1 > <sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > > > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST) > > > > , > > with all due respect, how do you know that you > couldn't feel 100 > > times better on armour than on T4? And what in the > world is AFAIK (a > > fake?)? > > > > > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this > would tend to be self > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of > the population who > > does > > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor > is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have > no problems. But that > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms > other than elevated TSH > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion > groups for about 4 years, > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of > members doing well on T4. > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine, but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least. Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te). I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old... I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning> In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both. Sam :-D > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be self > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population who > > does > > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems. But that > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than elevated TSH > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4 years, > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well on T4. > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you do soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!! Crystal -- Re: Hello there, y'all Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine, but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least. Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te). I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old... I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning> In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both. Sam :-D > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be self > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population who > > does > > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems. But that > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than elevated TSH > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4 years, > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well on T4. > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 lol...Sam, you have a way with words! Is this your bio here too? http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Crystal Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you do soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!! Crystal -- Re: Hello there, y'all Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine, but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least. Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G at any time of the day and NO weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te). I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old... I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning> In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both. Sam :-D > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this would tend to be self > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction of the population who > > does > > > not respond well to the first thing their doctor is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK have no problems. But that > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms other than elevated TSH > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion groups for about 4 years, > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of members doing well on T4. > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and actually feel WAY better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome! This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you email me private, I sure will send them. k9gang at openaccess.org Sam :-D > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words! > > Is this your bio here too? > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Crystal > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make me feel like you do > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they don't treat people for what is really wrong, but instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic medications that have devestating short and long term side effects, most of them not even pointed out to patients. The only way to really find out about the myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to research it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult at best to get ALL the information. Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a > beta blocker, ace > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart > disease. > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of > these was my low thyroid, > adrenals, and testosterone. > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all > along years ago, the > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real > problem. First I treated my > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the > testosterone. Heck, I might even > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't > " discover " these hormone problems > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on > their blood panels. > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the > real extremes in these > hormones. They don't consider that someone that has > border line low hormones > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart > disease or death. > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism > [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > , > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your > own > words, it seems to me that you do. > You have gained weight, obviously have food > cravings, > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for > your > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol > (I > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia > and > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > hypothyroidism. > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that > lots of people don't really know what is wrong with > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are > the doctors not putting all this together and > treating > us properly? > > Roni > --- <res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: > > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know. > > > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, > > maybe hay fever. I > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at > > 187]; but then I went > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four > > ribs, one plate of > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice > > cream with peanuts and > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions > and > > peppers, and broccoli. > > > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to > bed. > > I'm 66 years old. > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], > > including baby aspirin and > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], > > verapamil, and Allegra > > for allergies. I take them all, including the > > Synthroid, at one time, > > and don't worry about any interaction; either with > > food or each other. > > > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to > make > > me feel much better. > > > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] > > Actually, when I have a > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and > > this site seems a good > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk > yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw-- > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk > yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw--> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " > > sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > > > > > > <mailto:sweetnwright@... > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > > > sweetenloe1 > > <sweetenloe1 > <sweetenloe1> > > > > > > > > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST) > > > > > > , > > > with all due respect, how do you know that you > > couldn't feel 100 > > > times better on armour than on T4? And what in > the > > world is AFAIK (a > > > fake?)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this > > would tend to be self > > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction > of > > the population who > > > does > > > > not respond well to the first thing their > doctor > > is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK > have > > no problems. But that > > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms > > other than elevated TSH > > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion > > groups for about 4 years, > > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of > > members doing well on T4. > > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Sam, I have a question about your response to the Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to give me more, because he says it could affect my heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness, fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest pain? Roni --- Sam <k9gang@...> wrote: > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and > actually feel WAY > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome! > > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you > email me > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at > openaccess.org > > Sam :-D > > > > > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words! > > > > Is this your bio here too? > > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ > > > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: hypothyroidism > [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > > On Behalf Of Crystal > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM > > hypothyroidism > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > y'all > > > > > > > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make > me feel like you > do > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart probs. Usual dose of Armour is 3--5 grains, unless you have no thyroid gland. Today I took 5 grains, no " heart probs " . Gracia Sam, I have a question about your response to the Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to give me more, because he says it could affect my heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness, fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest pain? Roni Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I have only started to understand this within the last few months. Of course I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it might place me in a catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now I am supporting my adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour (I'm up to 1.5 grains so far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc. I may be able to back off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to keel over by going fast! As far as the search being time consuming and frustrating...I'm highly motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now no thanks to the Kaiser bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary school. So I want to stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through the procedures in the heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5 times total for me). You have to be awake for the procedure to report any angina to them while they work on your heart via tubing inserted into your leg (yea it hurts). The first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each because they had lots of trouble (100% blockage and then I started hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously out of my leg...so reading up on the internet, taking supplements, eating healthy, etc, is a snap! Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they don't treat people for what is really wrong, but instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic medications that have devestating short and long term side effects, most of them not even pointed out to patients. The only way to really find out about the myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to research it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult at best to get ALL the information. Roni --- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote: > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a > beta blocker, ace > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart > disease. > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of > these was my low thyroid, > adrenals, and testosterone. > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all > along years ago, the > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real > problem. First I treated my > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the > testosterone. Heck, I might even > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't > " discover " these hormone problems > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on > their blood panels. > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the > real extremes in these > hormones. They don't consider that someone that has > border line low hormones > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart > disease or death. > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > [mailto:hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM > hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > , > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your > own > words, it seems to me that you do. > You have gained weight, obviously have food > cravings, > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for > your > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high cholesterol > (I > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia > and > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > hypothyroidism. > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that > lots of people don't really know what is wrong with > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are > the doctors not putting all this together and > treating > us properly? > > Roni > --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: > > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know. > > > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, > > maybe hay fever. I > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at > > 187]; but then I went > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four > > ribs, one plate of > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice > > cream with peanuts and > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions > and > > peppers, and broccoli. > > > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to > bed. > > I'm 66 years old. > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], > > including baby aspirin and > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], > > verapamil, and Allegra > > for allergies. I take them all, including the > > Synthroid, at one time, > > and don't worry about any interaction; either with > > food or each other. > > > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to > make > > me feel much better. > > > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] > > Actually, when I have a > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and > > this site seems a good > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > > kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk > yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw-- > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > > kcnExBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjk > yODcEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc1NTA0Mw--> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Posted by: " sweetenloe1 " > > sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > > > > > > <mailto:sweetnwright@... <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > <mailto:sweetnwright%40cox.net> > ?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > > > sweetenloe1 > > <sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > <sweetenloe1 <sweetenloe1> > > > > > > > > > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 1:02 pm (PST) > > > > > > , > > > with all due respect, how do you know that you > > couldn't feel 100 > > > times better on armour than on T4? And what in > the > > world is AFAIK (a > > > fake?)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sam, is it not obvious that lists such as this > > would tend to be self > > > > selecting for people who are in that fraction > of > > the population who > > > does > > > > not respond well to the first thing their > doctor > > is likely to prescribe? > > > > > > > > I personally take only Synthroid and AFAIK > have > > no problems. But that > > > > is probably irrelevant, as I had no symptoms > > other than elevated TSH > > > > without taking Synthroid. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS: Sorry, no gold coins yet! [ggg] > > > > > > > > > I've only been on these thyroid discussion > > groups for about 4 years, > > > > > but I have yet to hear of the majority of > > members doing well on T4. > > > > > Quite the opposite, in fact. > > > > > > > > > > Sam :-o > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD. Gracia > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease. > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid, > adrenals, and testosterone. > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated > my > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might > even > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone > problems > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels. > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these > hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low > hormones > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death. > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 It's on my list. For the last 3 months I have been reading about 4 hours a day. Still have to work, eat, and sleep as well.... Neil Re: Re: Hello there, y'all read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD. Gracia > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take a beta blocker, ace > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart disease. > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of these was my low thyroid, > adrenals, and testosterone. > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed all along years ago, the > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real problem. First I treated > my > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the testosterone. Heck, I might > even > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't " discover " these hormone > problems > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on their blood panels. > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the real extremes in these > hormones. They don't consider that someone that has border line low > hormones > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death. > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Roni, It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give you a script for Armour. I have to self treat. If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances are you need adrenal support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests? I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about adrenals. Massive bowel upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued reading and found out about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in Florinef. I feel fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start increasing the Armour dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before feeling sick. Now over the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5 grains. When I go too fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I start to get hot like I am running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about a week my temp goes back to normal. Only then can I consider raising the dose. If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below you could increase your Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It is my understanding that your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your TSH should be around .5 or less. Neil _____ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM hypothyroidism Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all Sam, I have a question about your response to the Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid to give me more, because he says it could affect my heart. Have you had any heart problems like dizziness, fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or chest pain? Roni --- Sam <HYPERLINK " mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org> wrote: > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains and > actually feel WAY > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome! > > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if you > email me > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at > openaccess.org > > Sam :-D > > > > > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words! > > > > Is this your bio here too? > > > > > HYPERLINK " http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ " http://w ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/ > > > > Neil > > > > ____________-_________-_________-__ > > > > From: HYPERLINK " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > [mailto:HYPERLINK " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com] > > On Behalf Of Crystal > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM > > HYPERLINK " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > y'all > > > > > > > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will make > me feel like you > do > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-! > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Thanks, Gracia, I might actually have to smack this doctor over the head. I wouldn't take his cholesterol medication and dropped 20 points on Policosanol (no side effects). He was pretty open to that. I'm not quite sure why he's averse to this idea. I'm not the easist patient to deal with because I hate medicine, and I never stick to it, unless it's absolutely no way out necessary. Roni --- Gracia <circe@...> wrote: > > the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart > probs. Usual dose of Armour is 3--5 grains, unless > you have no thyroid gland. Today I took 5 grains, > no " heart probs " . > Gracia > > Sam, I have a question about your response to the > Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid > to > give me more, because he says it could affect my > heart. Have you had any heart problems like > dizziness, > fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) > palpitations > (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or > chest > pain? > > Roni > > > Recent Activity > a.. 5New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I do agree with you that too much too fast is not a good idea. One thing at a time is definitely the way to go, although I have stopped medications that I found out later were not supposed to be stopped suddenly. Sometimes ignorance is bliss..........LOL Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > I have only started to understand this within the > last few months. Of course > I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it > might place me in a > catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now > I am supporting my > adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour > (I'm up to 1.5 grains so > far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc. > I may be able to back > off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to > keel over by going fast! > > As far as the search being time consuming and > frustrating...I'm highly > motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now > no thanks to the Kaiser > bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary > school. So I want to > stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through > the procedures in the > heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5 > times total for me). You > have to be awake for the procedure to report any > angina to them while they > work on your heart via tubing inserted into your > leg (yea it hurts). The > first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each > because they had lots of > trouble (100% blockage and then I started > hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously > out of my leg...so reading up on the internet, > taking supplements, eating > healthy, etc, is a snap! > > > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism > [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they > don't treat people for what is really wrong, but > instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic > medications that have devestating short and long > term > side effects, most of them not even pointed out to > patients. The only way to really find out about the > myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to > research > it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search > becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many > people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult > at > best to get ALL the information. > > Roni > > --- neil <neilneil@... > <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote: > > > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take > a > > beta blocker, ace > > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart > > disease. > > > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of > > these was my low thyroid, > > adrenals, and testosterone. > > > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed > all > > along years ago, the > > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real > > problem. First I treated my > > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the > > testosterone. Heck, I might even > > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't > > " discover " these hormone problems > > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on > > their blood panels. > > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the > > real extremes in these > > hormones. They don't consider that someone that > has > > border line low hormones > > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart > > disease or death. > > > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > > [mailto:hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] > > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM > > hypothyroidism > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > y'all > > > > > > > > , > > > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your > > own > > words, it seems to me that you do. > > You have gained weight, obviously have food > > cravings, > > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for > > your > > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high > cholesterol > > (I > > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) > > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia > > and > > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > > hypothyroidism. > > > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact > that > > lots of people don't really know what is wrong > with > > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. > They > > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why > are > > the doctors not putting all this together and > > treating > > us properly? > > > > Roni > > --- <res075oh@... > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know. > > > > > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, > > > maybe hay fever. I > > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at > > > 187]; but then I went > > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and > four > > > ribs, one plate of > > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice > > > cream with peanuts and > > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions > > and > > > peppers, and broccoli. > > > > > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to > > bed. > > > I'm 66 years old. > > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], > > > including baby aspirin and > > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], > > > verapamil, and Allegra > > > for allergies. I take them all, including the > > > Synthroid, at one time, > > > and don't worry about any interaction; either > with > > > food or each other. > > > > > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to > > make > > > me feel much better. > > > > > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] > > > Actually, when I have a > > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, > and > > > this site seems a good > > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > > > > > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > === message truncated === ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 How is the adrenal testing done, and does the medical profession order the tests from a lab like blood tests? Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > Gracia...I agree with your adrenal comment, the > problem is most every doctor > does not acknowledge adrenal fatigue or test for it. > > > But newer posters need to know you just can't take 5 > grains of Armour like > you do out of the blue. It takes months and months > to work up to that sort > of dose, and adrenals have to be supported the whole > way (if necessary). For > someone to take 5 grains of Armour right off they > could very well have chest > pains or a cardiac event. > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism > [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Gracia > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:58 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > > the doc is confusing adrenal symptoms with heart > probs. Usual dose of Armour > is 3--5 grains, unless you have no thyroid gland. > Today I took 5 grains, no > " heart probs " . > Gracia > > Sam, I have a question about your response to the > Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid > to > give me more, because he says it could affect my > heart. Have you had any heart problems like > dizziness, > fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations > (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or > chest > pain? > > Roni > > Recent Activity > a.. 5New Members > Visit Your Group > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 That's pretty much what I was talking about. It's a huge, time consuming job. Then, there are also new discoveries to take into consideration although there have not been many of those lately. I guess it's not a sexy enough condition for them to keep up the research. Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > It's on my list. For the last 3 months I have been > reading about 4 hours a > day. Still have to work, eat, and sleep as well.... > > Neil > > Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > read Hormone Solutions by Thierry hertoghe MD. > Gracia > > > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take > a beta blocker, ace > > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart > disease. > > > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of > these was my low thyroid, > > adrenals, and testosterone. > > > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed > all along years ago, the > > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real > problem. First I treated > > my > > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the > testosterone. Heck, I might > > even > > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't > " discover " these hormone > > problems > > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on > their blood panels. > > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the > real extremes in these > > hormones. They don't consider that someone that > has border line low > > hormones > > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart > disease or death. > > > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking 2 grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more of levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I would like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want to lose it, and this way I don't think my body is metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and the calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm not. I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to go. Roni --- neil <neilneil@...> wrote: > Roni, > > It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give > you a script for > Armour. I have to self treat. > > If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances > are you need adrenal > support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests? > > I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about > adrenals. Massive bowel > upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued > reading and found out > about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in > Florinef. I feel > fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start > increasing the Armour > dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before > feeling sick. Now over > the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5 > grains. When I go too > fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I > start to get hot like I am > running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about > a week my temp goes back > to normal. Only then can I consider raising the > dose. > > If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below > you could increase your > Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It > is my understanding that > your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your > TSH should be around .5 > or less. > > Neil > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism > [mailto:hypothyroidism ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM > hypothyroidism > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > Sam, I have a question about your response to the > Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid > to > give me more, because he says it could affect my > heart. Have you had any heart problems like > dizziness, > fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations > (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or > chest > pain? > > Roni > > --- Sam <HYPERLINK > " mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org> > wrote: > > > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains > and > > actually feel WAY > > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome! > > > > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if > you > > email me > > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at > > openaccess.org > > > > Sam :-D > > > > > > > > > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words! > > > > > > Is this your bio here too? > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ " http://w > ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/ > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > ____________-_________-_________-__ > > > > > > From: HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > > > [mailto:HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com] > > > On Behalf Of Crystal > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM > > > HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > > y'all > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will > make > > me feel like you > > do > > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Well, I have to be careful. I would really feel stupid if I died or something! lol You can read more about adrenals and adrenal saliva testing here... http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/adrenal-info/ You will see a mention in the text for Canary Labs (I know, weird name) when reading the article, I ordered it myself for $140 bucks. I am way adrenal insufficient, that is worse than adrenal fatigue. I did some additional testing for aldosterone and renin (other hormones) as well. They were screwed up too. Actually all my hormones are low, gee no wonder I am overweight, high cholesterol, high BP, and had a heart attack! And they just offered me Prozac....probably so I will forget how much they suck! (I didn't go back though...ha) Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:39 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all That's pretty much what I was talking about. It's a huge, time consuming job. Then, there are also new discoveries to take into consideration although there have not been many of those lately. I guess it's not a sexy enough condition for them to keep up the research. Roni How is the adrenal testing done, and does the medical profession order the tests from a lab like blood tests? Roni I do agree with you that too much too fast is not a good idea. One thing at a time is definitely the way to go, although I have stopped medications that I found out later were not supposed to be stopped suddenly. Sometimes ignorance is bliss..........LOL Roni --- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote: > I have only started to understand this within the > last few months. Of course > I can't just stop taking these meds quickly, it > might place me in a > catastrophic medical condition or situation. For now > I am supporting my > adrenals with HC and Florinef, working up my Armour > (I'm up to 1.5 grains so > far slowly). I am watching my cholesterol, BP, etc. > I may be able to back > off the " toxic medications " slowly. I don't want to > keel over by going fast! > > As far as the search being time consuming and > frustrating...I'm highly > motivated. I had my heart attack at 46 (I'm 50 now > no thanks to the Kaiser > bastards), hey I still have a daughter in elementary > school. So I want to > stay alive! Being in the hospital and going through > the procedures in the > heart catheterization lab is very disturbing (5 > times total for me). You > have to be awake for the procedure to report any > angina to them while they > work on your heart via tubing inserted into your > leg (yea it hurts). The > first two times in the " lab " it lasted 4 hours each > because they had lots of > trouble (100% blockage and then I started > hemorrhaging BIG TIME seriously > out of my leg...so reading up on the internet, > taking supplements, eating > healthy, etc, is a snap! > > > > Neil > > ________________________________ > > From: hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > [mailto:hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:40 PM > hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > The thing I'm ticked off at is the fact that they > don't treat people for what is really wrong, but > instead fill them up with all kinds of toxic > medications that have devestating short and long > term > side effects, most of them not even pointed out to > patients. The only way to really find out about the > myriad medications handed out like m & ms is to > research > it. If someone doesn't have a computer, the search > becomes so frustrating and time consuming that many > people give up. Even with a computer it's difficult > at > best to get ALL the information. > > Roni > > --- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote: > > > Roni, you are also describing my condition. I take > a > > beta blocker, ace > > inhibitor, cholesterol statin, and have heart > > disease. > > > > I never knew the underlying condition to all of > > these was my low thyroid, > > adrenals, and testosterone. > > > > I am now starting to get the treatment I needed > all > > along years ago, the > > drugs I listed above are " band-aids " to the real > > problem. First I treated my > > adrenals, now adding in Armour, next is the > > testosterone. Heck, I might even > > try Iodoral (but not at 50mg). > > > > I also think the reason the doctor's don't > > " discover " these hormone problems > > are the insanely overly broad ranges they use on > > their blood panels. > > Doctor's are only interested in gross disease, the > > real extremes in these > > hormones. They don't consider that someone that > has > > border line low hormones > > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart > > disease or death. > > > > Neil > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > > [mailto:hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] > > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:30 PM > > hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > y'all > > > > > > > > , > > > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your > > own > > words, it seems to me that you do. > > You have gained weight, obviously have food > > cravings, > > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), asperin for > > your > > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > > anti-inflamatory),take Lipitor for high > cholesterol > > (I > > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) > > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia > > and > > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > > hypothyroidism. > > > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact > that > > lots of people don't really know what is wrong > with > > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. > They > > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why > are > > the doctors not putting all this together and > > treating > > us properly? > > > > Roni > > --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > > <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net> > wrote: > > > > > AFAIK = As Far As I Know. > > > > > > I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, > > > maybe hay fever. I > > > could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at > > > 187]; but then I went > > > out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and > four > > > ribs, one plate of > > > watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice > > > cream with peanuts and > > > chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions > > and > > > peppers, and broccoli. > > > > > > I'll probably have another snack before I go to > > bed. > > > I'm 66 years old. > > > I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], > > > including baby aspirin and > > > Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], > > > verapamil, and Allegra > > > for allergies. I take them all, including the > > > Synthroid, at one time, > > > and don't worry about any interaction; either > with > > > food or each other. > > > > > > It would have to have more kick than cocaine to > > make > > > me feel much better. > > > > > > Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] > > > Actually, when I have a > > > health concern I try to learn a lot about it, > and > > > this site seems a good > > > place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > > > > > > > <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB <hypothyroidism/message/29287;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYzB > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________________ Don't get soaked. Take a quick peak at the forecast with the Search weather shortcut. http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather <http://tools.search./shortcuts/#loc_weather> No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 6:36 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.1/888 - Release Date: 7/6/2007 6:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 You might find that Bob and Val at STTM can help you. They answered questions I had, and provided other answers to questions I had not even thought of. You can start a thread explaining your situation there and you will get more help than you can dream of. I have a thread there where they work through my adrenal issues. I also have a separate thread over at the Men's section where another moderator, Phil, is helping me with my testosterone issues. Fantastic site. My adrenal thread... http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=9869 Neil ________________________________ From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ] On Behalf Of Roni Molin Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 10:50 PM hypothyroidism Subject: RE: Re: Hello there, y'all I started back on the Thyrolar again, still taking 2 grains. The difference is that Armour has .22 more of levothyroxine than Thyrolar. However, all the sick feeling from the Armour stops when I switch. I would like him to let me have 1/2 grain more to see what happens. I have gained too much weight, and I want to lose it, and this way I don't think my body is metabolizing properly. I'm not a big eater, and the calorie intake should allow me to lose, but I'm not. I don't know how to do the saliva test or where to go. Roni --- neil <neilneil@... <mailto:neilneil%40adelphia.net> > wrote: > Roni, > > It's remarkable that you even found a doctor to give > you a script for > Armour. I have to self treat. > > If you get dizzy or lightheaded on Armour chances > are you need adrenal > support. Have you done the saliva adrenal tests? > > I tried taking Armour before I knew anything about > adrenals. Massive bowel > upset, feeling spacey, heart palps, etc. I continued > reading and found out > about adrenals and starting taking HC, now adding in > Florinef. I feel > fantastic now! Only now have I been able to start > increasing the Armour > dosage. Before I could only take 1/2 a grain before > feeling sick. Now over > the last month I have been able to increase to 1.5 > grains. When I go too > fast now what guides the way is my body temp. I > start to get hot like I am > running a fever. I maintain the dose and over about > a week my temp goes back > to normal. Only then can I consider raising the > dose. > > If your FT3 and FT4 are mid range or a little below > you could increase your > Armour (once you test your adrenals of course). It > is my understanding that > your FT3 and FT4 can be near top of the range, your > TSH should be around .5 > or less. > > Neil > > _____ > > From: hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > [mailto:hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> ] > On Behalf Of Roni Molin > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 9:48 PM > hypothyroidism <mailto:hypothyroidism%40> > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, y'all > > > > Sam, I have a question about your response to the > Armour. I am on two grains and my doctor is afraid > to > give me more, because he says it could affect my > heart. Have you had any heart problems like > dizziness, > fainting, arrythmia (uneven heartbeats) palpitations > (heavy heartbeats that you are conscious of), or > chest > pain? > > Roni > > --- Sam <HYPERLINK > " mailto:k9gang%40openaccess.org " k9gangopenaccess (DOT) -org> > wrote: > > > Yep, that's my story, but now I am on 11 grains > and > > actually feel WAY > > better than I did on 7 grains. It's so awesome! > > > > This site doesn't allow fotos to be posted so if > you > > email me > > private, I sure will send them. k9gang at > > openaccess.org > > > > Sam :-D > > > > > > > > > > lol...Sam, you have a way with words! > > > > > > Is this your bio here too? > > > > > > > > > HYPERLINK > " http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/ <http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/stories-of-others/sams-story/> " http://w > ww.stopthet-hyroidmadness.-com/stories--of-others/-sams-story/ > > > > > > Neil > > > > > > ____________-_________-_________-__ > > > > > > From: HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > > > [mailto:HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com] > > > On Behalf Of Crystal > > > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 8:17 PM > > > HYPERLINK > " mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com > > > Subject: Re: Re: Hello there, > > y'all > > > > > > > > > > > > Well I aint but I'm hoping Armour will > make > > me feel like you > > do > > > soon!!!! Let's see some photos!!!!!!-! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 , You wrote: > > You probably love the abuse! [ggg] Very insightful! Thanks for making me smile. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 , You wrote: > > > Anyway, I see I have an error in my reply. I believe in fact the other > producers of " generic " Synthroid were in fact able to prove equal > efficacy with Synthroid in many cases. Yes, and Boots, who helped fund the study, attempted to prevent the author of the study from publishing her findings. They didn't have patent protection, so the only way to maintain their market share was by claiming to have the most effective version. It still took decades to erode their market lead after this came out. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Neil, , Roni, You wrote: >...They don't consider that someone that has border line low hormones > levels in multiple glands might end up with heart disease or death. TSH is more an indicator of how long thyroid output has been insufficient, rather than how low it is, which is what most think on seeing those ranges. Thus, the border line condition can exist for years, with the concomitant problems it causes, while the TSH slowly creeps up to the point where it is noticed. In the meantime, the more overt symptoms are missing. I suspect this is why could be hypoT and still not feel amiss. Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 this kills me. the old fashioned way of Dxing hypothyroid used to be high cholesterol. why would a doc give thyroid and cholesterol drugs? b/c T4 meds do not lower cholesterol? Gracia AFAIK = As Far As I Know. I have no symptoms of illness whatsoever. Well, maybe hay fever. I could stand to lose 10 or 20 pounds of belly [at 187]; but then I went out tonight and ate two plates of shrimp and four ribs, one plate of watermelon, and one large bowl of chocolate ice cream with peanuts and chocolate syrup. Oh, also two egg rolls, onions and peppers, and broccoli. I'll probably have another snack before I go to bed. I'm 66 years old. I do take several pills [besides Synthroid], including baby aspirin and Melatonin. Lipitor for Cholesterol [now at 171], verapamil, and Allegra for allergies. I take them all, including the Synthroid, at one time, and don't worry about any interaction; either with food or each other. It would have to have more kick than cocaine to make me feel much better. Why am I here? I must like abuse too! [ggg] Actually, when I have a health concern I try to learn a lot about it, and this site seems a good place. Of course it's a wheat/chafe thing... Recent Activity a.. 5New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Hi, Roni. Please see responses below. > > Re: Hello there, y'all > <hypothyroidism/message/29326;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZ2g4YnY\ zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkzMjYEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc4NjU0MA--> > > > > Posted by: " Roni Molin " matchermaam@... > <mailto:matchermaam@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > matchermaam <matchermaam> > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 7:29 pm (PST) > > , > > You say you don't have any symptoms, but from your own > words, it seems to me that you do. > You have gained weight, obviously have food cravings, I have gained weight; and do have food cravings. There is psychological stress in my life that points directly to the food cravings. The food [especially at my age of 66] along with little or no exercise translates into a few pounds of excess fat. But I probably consume several times the recommended calories. But I'm 5' 11 " and 188 lbs, so that's not TOO obese... > taking Melatonin (I think to sleep), I've had sleep problems all my life; or at least as far back as I can remember. About a year ago I was working in tile setting [hard physical work] on a temporary job with my brother's company. I went to bed about 9:30 each night and got up at 5:30 each week day morning. I also starting taking 3 mg Melatonin each night. While I was sleeping regular hours, working, and taking the Melatonin I started to sleep like a normal person should. That is the only time in my life I have been able to go to bed, go to sleep, and sleep well. Now I stay up until midnight; or maybe 1 or 2 AM [4:00 AM last night]. I don't sleep as well, even with the Melatonin. I doubt my sleep problems are related to the elevated TSH, which only showed up a year or so ago. > asperin for your > heart (hopefully preventive, but asperin also is > anti-inflamatory) I've had a rapid heartbeat all my life. At times it could reach the 175 to 200 bpm range. My former primary care physician was a heart specialist, and diagnosed me as having arrhythmia. He's done many stress tests and the like. He prescribed the verapamil, which prevents the higher ranges of heart rate; as well as the baby aspirin, which is just a preventative blood thinner that most heart doctors recommend. I've never shown any sign of high blood pressure; although my father did have it. I do not think these are related to hypothyroidism; although I can't completely rule it out. > ,take Lipitor for high cholesterol (I > hope you got all the numbers, not just the total) The hdl/ldl ratio has always been good; and my total at my last test was 171. My heart doctor told me he wished his cholesterol numbers were as good as mine. > Allegra for allergies, and Verapamil for arrythmia and I've suffered from hay fever [allergic rhinitis] since a young child. I had asthma attacks from the age of 19 to 60. I also had something called " quinsy croup " [or similar] for a few months as a young child. The symptoms were exactly the same as an asthma attack; and, in my opinion was in fact an improperly diagnosed series of asthma attacks. Very remotely possible connection to hyper; but IMHO very unlikely. > high blood pressure. These can all be symptoms of > hypothyroidism. No high blood pressure, ever. > > That is a pretty good illustration of the fact that > lots of people don't really know what is wrong with > them, unless their doctor actually tells them. They > really do teach this stuff in med school, so why are > the doctors not putting all this together and treating > us properly? The sad fact is that we often don't know what's wrong with us even when our doctor DOES give us a diagnose; as many here can attest. We have to research and carefully weigh the evidence. I have done that; although not nearly as thoroughly as I could have. Since I feel well I'm not too motivated I guess. I have looked very carefully at all of my symptoms, and given the vast time span from the onset of most [essentially, all my life] and the discovery of elevated TSH 65 years later I doubt that the symptoms are hypothyroidism related. But I cannot completely rule it out. Generally, I feel well and enjoy my life. Given the utter misery that some here suffer I'm embarrassed to even mention my " problems " . > > Roni Thanks for your concern and input. I can't say that you're not correct; but I don't think so for the reasons I've given. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2007 Report Share Posted July 7, 2007 Sam, I can't begin to compare myself to you. You're a real breath of fresh air here; and your joy and happiness are contagious. It's true my age is often guessed more than a decade low, but there's really very little similarity otherwise. Well, except that I eat like a pig and gain no [more] weight. My psychological/marital situation is complex; and I'm not free to go into it here. My email should be at the top of the post: " res075oh@... " . Please post the photos to that; but I assure you I believe you. No nudie pix??? I'm really disappointed! [ggg] I'm not so much pro-Synthroid as I just don't feel I need any other medication; and Synthroid is cheap. Regards, > Re: Hello there, y'all > <hypothyroidism/message/29332;_ylc=X3oDMTJxZGZudHR\ 2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE0NTY2NARncnBzcElkAzE3MDkyNTEwODIEbXNnSWQDMjkzMzIEc2V\ jA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTE4Mzc4NjU0MA--> > > > > Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@... > <mailto:k9gang@...?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Hello%20there%2C%20y%27all> > stealthwind <stealthwind> > > > Fri Jul 6, 2007 8:11 pm (PST) > > Oh well let me tell you what Armour did for me then... How about > going from el slug-o-rama and half dead (no, MOSTLY dead), to wowee > hubba buba? More kick than cocaine? Well, I've never done cocaine, > but I'm betting it's a close 2nd at the very least. > > Seriously, I can eat A-N-Y-T-H-I- > N-G at any time of the day and NO > weight gain whatsoever. I have pep, energy, and wahoo-ness. I feel > like a kid. Oh wait, I feel like I'm a 16yr old (including the > libido). I am 55 freakin years old and I can run circles around most > 30 and 40yr olds. I look 36! I can chase a man, catch him, and cut > him loose exhausted. Oh baby, you have no idea how AWESOME it is to > feel healthy and alive. I ALMOST DIED FROM BEING ON SYNTHROID AND > HAVING NO THYROID GLAND. But, I now have my life back. I have a 2nd > chance AT my life and I absolutely do owe it to Armour Thyroid (with > the later addition of full BHRT - E2, P, Te). > > I felt this awesome before my healthy thyroid was destroyed. I was > getting CARDED at age 38! And then that idiot murdered my thyroid > gland and I was being mistaken for a 70+ year old... > > I got my first tattoo (large, covering my left upper arm) last > October (a flaming phoenix because I saved my own life), and my 2nd > tattoo (large, from the bottom of first tattoo to mid forearm) the > first of March. I ride a motorcycle (94 XV535 Virago). I look totally > HOT in leather chaps. Remember, I'm a 55 year old grandmother, but > I'm now also a hot and dangerous beauty queen. heh heh heh > > , if you email me private, I'll send you pictures of me before > RAI, after RAI on synthroid, and then when healthy. Get ready for > your eyes to bug out of their sockets, pop out, and roll on the floor > and explode. I am at k9gang at openaccess.org sorry, no nudie > pictures...but they are way hot if you ask my boyfriend... <grinning> > > In case you hadn't figured, I'm VERY pro Armour Thyroid, and VERY > anti $ynthCrap, but that's just based on my experiences with both. > > Sam :-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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