RE: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

July 15, 2007

Hi Val,

Nice try.

Deliberating misquoting someone, then asking for an apology is the oldest

trick in the book. Then going on to say " Be a man...etc " just makes it

laughable.

You can see I DIDN'T say people in your country are idiots...I clearly

phrased it in the form of a question (didn't you see the " ??? " after the

sentence????) to Gracia regarding her longing for universal health care. If

you have been following her posts and other posters replies Gracia regularly

wishes the USA to have a " perfect " system much like what you and the

Canadians have. Gracia thinks our " guvment " (her term) wants each and every

one of us healthy and has our best interests in mind. Gracia has said that

people need to " demand " good care from their universal care systems. I

pointed out that many in England and Canada in desperate situations actually

leave the country and seek treatment here in the states and that I have seen

in articles (I pasted it) that there was more than a 800,000 backlog of

people waiting for surgery and that many die waiting for their operations.

Is that true or is the website wrong???

My question to Gracia " Are they idiots??? Don't they demand " quality health

care " ??? " meant that of course they would demand quality health care, if

their individual voices could or would be heard, but I believe they are

STUCK with the system now that it has been created, stuck with these

" lotteries " , stuck with TSH worshipers like the head of the BTA (I had one

of them in my country too), stuck with going out of the country to get help

when feeling absolutely desperate. To unwind such a monster is pretty much

impossible once it is created...a runaway train so to speak. I don't want

that in the USA, we already have those systems with the motor vehicles dept

and the Internal Revenue Dept.

Poster " Roni " in this group yesterday had this post " My uncle is currently

waiting for a life saving heart operation, and is on a list. They may

call him or they may not. It is actually a lottery they told his wife.

Meanwhile his life is just ebbing away. " Roni I don't believe specified what

country her Uncle lives in, but it sure sounds like a universal health care

country to me. (Roni, I hope your Uncle get his surgery soon and will be

well).

My contention is that universal health care systems sound pretty scary, and

I have a lot of doubt if our " guvment " could run such a HUGE bureaucracy.

Perhaps you could help us understand how wonderful or how horific your

universal health care system actually is???

Anyway, I didn't insult you and I have nothing to apologies for. If that

doesn’t work for you, please delete my posts as soon as you see them. You

will be doing us both a favor.

Neil

Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

For your information Neil,

British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we demand, and when we

don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly your throwaway comment

asking if British (and Canadians who you also trashed), are idiots who sit

back and are passive recipients of poor health care. Be careful with your

insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. subscribers post to this

board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of what many of us have

tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves and tell others how to

avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health service. I think you

should apologise. You are not freely conducting a bigoted unedited comment

one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking to a hallowed circle of

like minded friends, you are online, and read by many, you would do well to

remember that. Be a man, and apologise.

Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.)

Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

>

> this is what we have now LOL.

> why does national health care=poor health care? b/c we are all idiots? we

> have to demand quality health care so that we can afford it. Do a search

for

> Prof Weetman at http://www.thyroid.about.com

<http://www.thyroid.about.com>

>

> Shocking.

> Gracia

>

> And note that the " BTA " you cite below is this govt. " universal care " you

> tout.

>

> This is what you would get.

>

> Neil

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July 15, 2007

Val, you seem to have a completely different take on the meaning of

Neil's post than I do. I believe he meant that even though you ARE NOT

idiots and you PROBABLY DO demand good health care that still the

government run system is lacking.

In the US if we are fools enough to go to a national healthcare system

we will no doubt get an agency with the heart of the IRS and the

efficiency of the military. And lest I mislead you I have an immense

respect for the US military, but NOT for their efficiency.

Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict

the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of

course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone

will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic.

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> For your information Neil,

>

> British thyroid sufferers are NOT idiots, and yes we demand, and when we

> don't get, we help ourselves. I resent very strongly your throwaway

> comment

> asking if British (and Canadians who you also trashed), are idiots who sit

> back and are passive recipients of poor health care. Be careful with your

> insults, as you do not know WHO and how many U.K. subscribers post to this

> board as well. Nor do you have any appreciation of what many of us have

> tried to do in our own small way to help ourselves and tell others how to

> avoid the same pitfalls, due to our national health service. I think you

> should apologise. You are not freely conducting a bigoted unedited comment

> one might make behind closed doors, as if speaking to a hallowed circle of

> like minded friends, you are online, and read by many, you would do

> well to

> remember that. Be a man, and apologise.

>

> Val (U.K. Thyroid sufferer.)

>

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>

> > So why aren't the British and Canadian citizens doing anything about

> their

> > mediocre health care systems?

> >

> > That TSH worshiper resents the British Thyroid Assoc!!!

> >

> > Why do many of them come to the states for better doctors?

> >

> > Are they idiots??? Don't they demand " quality health care " ???

> >

> > Neil

July 15, 2007

we already have national health care in the US, but it is only for some ppl.

It is called medicare/medicaid.

We have a prob in US with poor standard of care, and this exists in Europe as

well. Skinner trial illustrates this. What I keep saying is that with better

standards of care, better educated docs, we can have an affordable health care

system.

Gracia

Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict

the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of

course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone

will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic.

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This is exactly what I meant...thanks for saying it even better than I

could...

Neil

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Val, you seem to have a completely different take on the meaning of

Neil's post than I do. I believe he meant that even though you ARE NOT

idiots and you PROBABLY DO demand good health care that still the

government run system is lacking.

In the US if we are fools enough to go to a national healthcare system

we will no doubt get an agency with the heart of the IRS and the

efficiency of the military. And lest I mislead you I have an immense

respect for the US military, but NOT for their efficiency.

Before we go to national healthcare system in the US we should restrict

the voting to those who have some vague idea of economics 101. Of

course healthcare is much more than its economic side, but that alone

will sink any plan I've seen deeper than the titanic.

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