RE: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

July 17, 2007

Is there a modulator here because this seems to very very far off

topic......and political......

Bev

> > >

> > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got

> > through] the

> > > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in

> > constant

> > > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in

fact

> > almost

> > > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any

> > national

> > > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you

think

> > we can

> > > afford it.

> > >

> > > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a

crash

> > course

> > > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely

no

> > hope

> > > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised

to

> > people

> > > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present

rate

> > of

> > > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in

> less

> > than

> > > a century.

> > >

> > > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another

> > federal

> > > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell.

> > >

> > > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the

better

> > > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater

> than

> > 50%.

> > > Sweden, maybe???

> > >

> >

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July 17, 2007

It doesn't matter how much you put in; what matters is what's left for

health care after the politicians and other associated bureaucrats and

crooks take their cut. According to my calculations there would be

$1.49 left for health care... [ggg]

>

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:14 pm (PST)

>

> You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small "

> monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all,

> instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health

> insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to

> afford it, paid $20 per month?

>

> According to the population " clock " at http://www.census.gov/

> <http://www.census.gov/> the

> population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if

> only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month,

> that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if

> people paid into it based on their income, that total could

> skyrocket.

>

> ???

>

> Sam :-o

>

> >

> > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got

> through] the

> > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in

> constant

> > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact

> almost

> > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any

> national

> > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think

> we can

> > afford it.

> >

> > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash

> course

> > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no

> hope

> > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to

> people

> > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate

> of

> > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less

> than

> > a century.

> >

> > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another

> federal

> > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell.

> >

> > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better

> > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than

> 50%.

> > Sweden, maybe???

> >

July 17, 2007

Hi, Roni. I was only speaking of income taxes; and some of the items

you mention aren't taxes at all. See comments below...

..

>

> 2.5.

>

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> matchermaam <matchermaam>

>

> Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:51 pm (PST)

>

> I don't know what kind of money you make, but if you

> live in the states, it might be an interesting

> exercise to add up all the actual money you spend on

> taxes. You'd need to include income

> (Federal,State,Local), property, school, sales, gas,

>

..

There are no state or local income taxes in Florida. Yet. And school

taxes are included in the property tax. Sales tax is 7% locally.

..

>

> actual costs for healthcare including insurance

> premiums and copays, any money to medicare, costs for

>

..

Health care costs are not taxes; and neither are insurance premiums or

co-pays. Medicare part B costs are an insurance premium, not a tax.

..

>

> children's education, amount put into retirement

>

..

Children's education is covered by property tax, as I mentioned. Money

put into a retirement fund is not a tax, but a savings.

..

>

> accounts, social security, etc. After adding them all

>

..

Social Security is a tax.

>

> up and subtracting from your income I think you might

> get a bit of a surprise.

>

> Roni

>

..

Many of the items you list are expenses, not taxes. Perhaps your point

is that someone who pays 50% income tax does not have to pay any of

these??? Sorry, I'm confused as to your intent.

..

>

> --- <res075oh@... <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> wrote:

>

> > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it

> > it got through] the

> > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected

> > for 1990 in constant

> > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in

> > 1964 was in fact almost

> > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So

> > just take any national

> > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see

> > if you think we can

> > afford it.

> >

> > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are

> > upon a crash course

> > with economic reality. At the present rate there is

> > absolutely no hope

> > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been

> > promised to people

> > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at

> > the present rate of

> > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100%

> > tax rate in less than

> > a century.

> >

> > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet

> > another federal

> > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like

> > Sowell.

> >

> > I believe that some of the countries that have some

> > of the better

> > systems of national health care have income tax

> > rates greater than 50%.

> > Sweden, maybe???

> >

>

July 17, 2007

Neil,

I think it is extremely narrowminded of you to assume

that the people on medicare and medicaid are all old,

stupid, and parasites on the rest of the Americans

that work and pay taxes.

The people on social security worked and paid taxes

and social security fees all their lives. They are

entitled to this insurance. The people on SSI are

either very ill and/or injured and cannot work. Many

people can end up poor and needing help, not because

they never worked, but because of an illness or injury

that eventually wiped out every penny they had.

I certainly hope that you don't find this out by

personal experience, but it could happen to anyone.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

> Hi Jackie,

>

> What you say makes sense, unless you also consider

> what posted

> yesterday, I paste it here....

>

> " And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know

> it it got through] the

> combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected

> for 1990 in constant

> dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in

> 1964 was in fact almost

> exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just

> take any national

> healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see

> if you think we can

> afford it. "

>

> " Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are

> upon a crash course

> with economic reality. At the present rate there is

> absolutely no hope

> that we the taxpayers can support all that has been

> promised to people

> now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the

> present rate of

> growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100%

> tax rate in less than

> a century. "

>

> " I wish that at least a few more people espousing

> yet another federal

> boondoggle would read a bit of someone like

> Sowell. "

>

> " I believe that some of the countries that have some

> of the better

> systems of national health care have income tax

> rates greater than 50%.

> Sweden, maybe??? "

>

> " "

>

> You can see it is an impossibility that the " few "

> (the few people actually

> working and paying taxes) will be able to pay for

> these Medicare and

> Medicade programs, let alone universal care that

> wants. How is

> this to be done? There are too many of " them " and

> too few of us.

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: hypothyroidism

> [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

> On Behalf Of Ken & Jackie Reimer

> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:26 AM

> hypothyroidism

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr

> Skinners Trial - UK

>

> See the movie Sicko, we are all afraid of our

> government, instead of

> the other way around.

>

> As far as someone mentioning being a bleeding heart,

> what an odd

> image to conjure up.

>

> My family and I have always worked and paid taxes,

> but we still care

> about the children, the old, the stupid.... all of

> them, regardless

> of who their parents are, how old they are or

> whether they are

> educated. We are all interconnected. All but for the

> grace of God go

> we, who are lucky enough to have had good parents,

> good children, and

> good teachers which led us to be able to make

> choices.

>

> Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in

> his shoes. Be

> humble before you are brought to your knees.

>

> Love to all,

>

> Jackie

>

> On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:59 PM, wrote:

>

> > How much of this are we going to take before we

> march on

> > Washington..-...we

> > are all mumbling to ourselves but Sheehan is

> the only one

> > sticking her

> > neck out. We are all chickens.

> >

> > -- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr

> Skinners Trial - UK

> >

> > I wonder how much there would be for us if this

> war

> > were not taking millions of dollars out of our

> country

> > every day. I see by the news reports today he is

> > wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians

> to

> > get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the

> > children's health initiave to continue to give

> poor

> > American children health insurance has been

> denegrated

> > by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by

> our

> > citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds

> of

> > reasons on top of whatever else was going out of

> the

> > country in the first place

> >

> > Roni

> >

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July 17, 2007

I looked on google, and you will be able to find

doctors that accept medicare. I don't know what town

you live in, so I was unable to get close for you. You

can just put in oregon doctors accepting medicare,

THEN FILL IN YOUR COUNTY.

Roni

--- Hugo <seashell@...> wrote:

> Wow...sounds like Corvallis.

>

> >

> >They are not paying the doctors tho and that is not

> right. I live poorly in

> >a ritzy town in Oregon....maybe they just don't

> need medicare.

> >

>

July 17, 2007

I don't think you are confused. Yes, everything you

would have to spend, taxes, fees, etc (savings money

spent on education, and/or retirement), vs. 50% income

tax.

Roni

--- <res075oh@...> wrote:

> Hi, Roni. I was only speaking of income taxes; and

> some of the items

> you mention aren't taxes at all. See comments

> below...

> .

> >

> > 2.5.

> >

> > Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

> >

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> matchermaam@...

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> > matchermaam

> <matchermaam>

> >

> > Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:51 pm (PST)

> >

> > I don't know what kind of money you make, but

> if you

> > live in the states, it might be an interesting

> > exercise to add up all the actual money you

> spend on

> > taxes. You'd need to include income

> > (Federal,State,Local), property, school,

> sales, gas,

> >

> .

> There are no state or local income taxes in Florida.

> Yet. And school

> taxes are included in the property tax. Sales tax

> is 7% locally.

> .

> >

> > actual costs for healthcare including

> insurance

> > premiums and copays, any money to medicare,

> costs for

> >

> .

> Health care costs are not taxes; and neither are

> insurance premiums or

> co-pays. Medicare part B costs are an insurance

> premium, not a tax.

> .

> >

> > children's education, amount put into

> retirement

> >

> .

> Children's education is covered by property tax, as

> I mentioned. Money

> put into a retirement fund is not a tax, but a

> savings.

> .

> >

> > accounts, social security, etc. After adding

> them all

> >

> .

> Social Security is a tax.

> >

> > up and subtracting from your income I think

> you might

> > get a bit of a surprise.

> >

> > Roni

> >

> .

> Many of the items you list are expenses, not taxes.

> Perhaps your point

> is that someone who pays 50% income tax does not

> have to pay any of

> these??? Sorry, I'm confused as to your intent.

>

> .

> >

> > --- <res075oh@...

> <mailto:res075oh%40verizon.net>>

> > wrote:

> >

> > > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't

> know it

> > > it got through] the

> > > combined costs of medicare and medicaid

> projected

> > > for 1990 in constant

> > > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing

> it in

> > > 1964 was in fact almost

> > > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost.

> So

> > > just take any national

> > > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20

> and see

> > > if you think we can

> > > afford it.

> > >

> > > Medicare/medicade, along with social

> security, are

> > > upon a crash course

> > > with economic reality. At the present rate

> there is

> > > absolutely no hope

> > > that we the taxpayers can support all that

> has been

> > > promised to people

> > > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut

> that at

> > > the present rate of

> > > growth of just these 3 items we would have a

> 100%

> > > tax rate in less than

> > > a century.

> > >

> > > I wish that at least a few more people

> espousing yet

> > > another federal

> > > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like

>

> > > Sowell.

> > >

> > > I believe that some of the countries that

> have some

> > > of the better

> > > systems of national health care have income

> tax

> > > rates greater than 50%.

> > > Sweden, maybe???

> > >

> >

>

July 17, 2007

I am not a fan but I totally agree with him on this. How sad there

are no honest people who want to run our government.

Does have an idea besides the " Long Knives "

-- Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

It doesn't matter how much you put in; what matters is what's left for

health care after the politicians and other associated bureaucrats and

crooks take their cut. According to my calculations there would be

$1.49 left for health care... [ggg]

>

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> Posted by: " Sam " k9gang@...

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> stealthwind <stealthwind>

>

> Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:14 pm (PST)

>

> You know, that could be addressed by everyone paying a " small "

> monthly premium into a " national " medicare/medicaid program for all,

> instead of the outrageous premiums they are paying to private health

> insurers. Say if every adult human in the USA, with the ability to

> afford it, paid $20 per month?

>

> According to the population " clock " at http://www.census.gov/

> <http://www.census.gov/> the

> population of the USA is approx 302,358,746 (and raising). Say if

> only a quarter of the population was able to afford $20 per month,

> that's $1,814,152,560 per year if my calculator is right. And if

> people paid into it based on their income, that total could

> skyrocket.

>

> ???

>

> Sam :-o

>

> >

> > And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know it it got

> through] the

> > combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected for 1990 in

> constant

> > dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in 1964 was in fact

> almost

> > exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just take any

> national

> > healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see if you think

> we can

> > afford it.

> >

> > Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are upon a crash

> course

> > with economic reality. At the present rate there is absolutely no

> hope

> > that we the taxpayers can support all that has been promised to

> people

> > now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the present rate

> of

> > growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100% tax rate in less

> than

> > a century.

> >

> > I wish that at least a few more people espousing yet another

> federal

> > boondoggle would read a bit of someone like Sowell.

> >

> > I believe that some of the countries that have some of the better

> > systems of national health care have income tax rates greater than

> 50%.

> > Sweden, maybe???

> >

July 17, 2007

Personally I think that if they hadn't used up monies meant for SS and

medicare etc we would be fine. But they used for other things.

We cannot trust our leaders to leave the money intended for SS alone. This

is the main problem.

We borrow from China ....maybe that is what the bible means when it talks

about the yellow hoards....they will be coming to collect their money by

taking over America.

-- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

Neil,

I think it is extremely narrowminded of you to assume

that the people on medicare and medicaid are all old,

stupid, and parasites on the rest of the Americans

that work and pay taxes.

The people on social security worked and paid taxes

and social security fees all their lives. They are

entitled to this insurance. The people on SSI are

either very ill and/or injured and cannot work. Many

people can end up poor and needing help, not because

they never worked, but because of an illness or injury

that eventually wiped out every penny they had.

I certainly hope that you don't find this out by

personal experience, but it could happen to anyone.

Roni

--- neil <neilneil@...> wrote:

..

July 17, 2007

Thanks Roni.....but I have found a Nurse practioner that will do the test

and take medicare.

Heck with Doctors.

-- Re: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

I looked on google, and you will be able to find

doctors that accept medicare. I don't know what town

you live in, so I was unable to get close for you. You

can just put in oregon doctors accepting medicare,

THEN FILL IN YOUR COUNTY.

Roni

--- Hugo <seashell@...> wrote:

> Wow...sounds like Corvallis.

>

> >

> >They are not paying the doctors tho and that is not

> right. I live poorly in

> >a ritzy town in Oregon....maybe they just don't

> need medicare.

> >

>

July 17, 2007

Oh yea, all politicians should be non-paid volunteers who may

potentially get a modest stipend to cover expenses directly realted

to their volunteer politican positions, and who are not allowed to

benefit in any financial way from their political positions.

Who would we then have to fill those positions hastily vacated by

those who we now have in office? Enter a different class of

individuals...perhaps those who are truely honorable?

Sam?

>

> It doesn't matter how much you put in; what matters is what's left

for

> health care after the politicians and other associated bureaucrats

and

> crooks take their cut. According to my calculations there would be

> $1.49 left for health care... [ggg]

>

July 17, 2007

I asked my ARNP [Advanced Registered Nurse Practitioner] why he

didn't become an MD. He's very good and caring and nkows all his

patients by name. He greets everyone in the waiting room, gves hugs,

and tells jokes. He also smiles a lot, and everyone just loves him.

He's the one that calls me " the girl that has to be different " due to

my 11 grains of Armour, 50mg Iodoral, BHRT, etc, and that I'm all

healthy and all that.

Well, he told me he's not an MD because wants to actualy help his

patients, not be under the thumb of the AMA. He also takes my health

coverage, and gives me anything I need except money and a new car.

Wadda guy. :-D

I wonder if my ARNP got a PhD (doctorate) in nurse practitioning, if

he'd then be called " Doctor Nurse " ... haha

Sam :-D

>

> Thanks Roni.....but I have found a Nurse practioner that will do

the test

> and take medicare.

>

> Heck with Doctors.

>

July 18, 2007

> Neil,

I agree about the " them " out numbering the " us " .

I have researched moving to other countries, not just ones with

Universal health care. And there are some HUGE hoops to jump through.

For instance, to move to Australia you have to be under 41 years old,

or have a an employer or family " sponsor " you. The reason behind this

is that after 40 is when most health issues raise their ugly heads

and they don't want a strain on their system, for good reason.

But on the flip side we don't have anything in place in the US

stopping anyone from coming here from other countries. Not that they

shouldn't, but borders should be opened. It seems like a one way and

not much going out.

It's like continuously adding water to an already full pitcher and

not pouring any out, it is over flowing, as we can all attest to the

mass building in every area.

Ideally I would like health care to be available to everyone in need.

And food for everyone as well. The solutions don't come easy.

Anyone have any insight? Bueller?

Jackie

>

> You can see it is an impossibility that the " few " (the few people

> actually

> working and paying taxes) will be able to pay for these Medicare and

> Medicade programs, let alone universal care that

> wants. How is

> this to be done? There are too many of " them " and too few of us.

>

> Neil

>

July 18, 2007

Roni,

My comments were my thoughts toward universal care, not Medicare. It was not

my intention to strike a nerve. My comments were in response to Sam's post

about everyone chipping in and paying twenty bucks a month toward universal

care, and my comment would that there would be too many people excluded so

that it would not work....., the poor, the illegal, the stupid, etc.

Actually what I was thinking when I wrote the stupid comment are my

neighbors. There house was almost paid for, but they took out a equity loan

to buy two huge SUV's and a boat. But now his hours have been cut back and

they are struggling to make their new huge house payments (no savings). I

know they will be the " stupid " ones I end up paying for under universal

care. Hey, I don't have a boat and my truck is nine years old.

But I am not without heart for those truly in need. My own Grandfather died

of a swift cancer when my Mother was 4. My Grandmother only spoke French as

they had recently moved to California from Montreal. They were on county

assistance for half a dozen years until my Uncles were old enough to work.

Dirt poor and proud they were....six kids in the middle of the depression.

Well, I have a question for you then since my terms strike a nerve. What

words...what exact phrases would you use to describe the individual persons

that make up the " special groups " that would be excluded from paying into

universal care. Remember, as a govt. program you cannot be general in your

description, you have to be specific.

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Roni Molin

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 11:23 AM

hypothyroidism

Subject: RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK

Neil,

I think it is extremely narrowminded of you to assume

that the people on medicare and medicaid are all old,

stupid, and parasites on the rest of the Americans

that work and pay taxes.

The people on social security worked and paid taxes

and social security fees all their lives. They are

entitled to this insurance. The people on SSI are

either very ill and/or injured and cannot work. Many

people can end up poor and needing help, not because

they never worked, but because of an illness or injury

that eventually wiped out every penny they had.

I certainly hope that you don't find this out by

personal experience, but it could happen to anyone.

Roni

--- neil <HYPERLINK

" mailto:neilneil%40roadrunner.com " neilneilroadrunner-> wrote:

> Hi Jackie,

>

> What you say makes sense, unless you also consider

> what posted

> yesterday, I paste it here....

>

> " And as I tried to point out elsewhere [don't know

> it it got through] the

> combined costs of medicare and medicaid projected

> for 1990 in constant

> dollars when the liberal crowd was pushing it in

> 1964 was in fact almost

> exactly 2000% percent of the projected cost. So just

> take any national

> healthcare proposal and multiply it times 20 and see

> if you think we can

> afford it. "

>

> " Medicare/medicade, along with social security, are

> upon a crash course

> with economic reality. At the present rate there is

> absolutely no hope

> that we the taxpayers can support all that has been

> promised to people

> now living. I'll bet a dollar to a donut that at the

> present rate of

> growth of just these 3 items we would have a 100%

> tax rate in less than

> a century. "

>

> " I wish that at least a few more people espousing

> yet another federal

> boondoggle would read a bit of someone like

> Sowell. "

>

> " I believe that some of the countries that have some

> of the better

> systems of national health care have income tax

> rates greater than 50%.

> Sweden, maybe??? "

>

> " "

>

> You can see it is an impossibility that the " few "

> (the few people actually

> working and paying taxes) will be able to pay for

> these Medicare and

> Medicade programs, let alone universal care that

> wants. How is

> this to be done? There are too many of " them " and

> too few of us.

>

> Neil

>

> _____

>

> From: HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> [mailto:HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com]

> On Behalf Of Ken & Jackie Reimer

> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 1:26 AM

> HYPERLINK

" mailto:hypothyroidism%40 " hypothyroidism@-groups.-com

> Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr

> Skinners Trial - UK

>

> See the movie Sicko, we are all afraid of our

> government, instead of

> the other way around.

>

> As far as someone mentioning being a bleeding heart,

> what an odd

> image to conjure up.

>

> My family and I have always worked and paid taxes,

> but we still care

> about the children, the old, the stupid.... all of

> them, regardless

> of who their parents are, how old they are or

> whether they are

> educated. We are all interconnected. All but for the

> grace of God go

> we, who are lucky enough to have had good parents,

> good children, and

> good teachers which led us to be able to make

> choices.

>

> Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in

> his shoes. Be

> humble before you are brought to your knees.

>

> Love to all,

>

> Jackie

>

> On Jul 16, 2007, at 8:59 PM, wrote:

>

> > How much of this are we going to take before we

> march on

> > Washington..--...we

> > are all mumbling to ourselves but Sheehan is

> the only one

> > sticking her

> > neck out. We are all chickens.

> >

> > -- RE: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr

> Skinners Trial - UK

> >

> > I wonder how much there would be for us if this

> war

> > were not taking millions of dollars out of our

> country

> > every day. I see by the news reports today he is

> > wanting to give $190 million to the Palestinians

> to

> > get a peace treaty, but has indicated that the

> > children's health initiave to continue to give

> poor

> > American children health insurance has been

> denegrated

> > by his advisors. Our money is not being used up by

> our

> > citizens, it is being sent overseas for all kinds

> of

> > reasons on top of whatever else was going out of

> the

> > country in the first place

> >

> > Roni

> >

> > --- neil <HYPERLINK

>

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July 18, 2007

I hear New Zealand is really tight as well...

I agree with absolutely everything you said....and I don't have the answers

either.

Neil

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From: hypothyroidism [mailto:hypothyroidism ]

On Behalf Of Ken & Jackie Reimer

Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:13 PM

hypothyroidism

Subject: Re: Re: Fw: [thyroid] Dr Skinners Trial - UK